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9:01 PM
@mattdm hmmm
 
is this really answerable definitively or is this a discussion piece?
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Q: Canon 600D Battery Grip, is it worth it?

Akram MelliceRecently I heard that a battery grip can enhance the feel of the camera in my hands, besides some people claim that it enhances the stability of the camera if you are trying to put it on a table or something. So I started to look for a battery grip for my Canon 600D and found the Canon's one to...

@mattdm I thought CC-BY-SA was distributable and adaptable?
 
@JamWheel as long as the distributed work remains under the same terms.
Pinterest requires an additional grant.
Now, I'm not a lawyer; that's just my reading.
 
@mattdm 'an additional grant' - where does pinterest require that
 
I don't understand what Pinterest is about... how is it different from the content being tweeted or similar?
 
"Subject to any applicable account settings you select, you grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, display, reproduce, re-pin, modify (e.g., re-format), re-arrange, and distribute your User Content on Pinterest for the purposes of operating and providing the Service(s) to you and to our other Users."
 
9:08 PM
i imagine you would find a similar statement to that in twitters terms, also Google + etc
 
Stack Exchange simply doesn't have the right to grant that license.
Twitter isn't a similar issue, because as far as I know Stack Exchange just sends links to the content.
I don't think Pinterest's terms are out of line. I just think they're not compatible.
 
is the content actually reproduced on pinterest then?
 
@JamWheel yeah
 
do they reproduce it on google+?
(don't even know if they have an account there)
 
I dunno. I have an account but haven't looked at what Stack Exchange does.
 
9:13 PM
so, why is it a big deal to you? you're not happy with them using your content on Pinterest?
 
@mattdm I finally understand what your issue is, I just don't think it was clearly stated in your comment. Its not with the attribution from SE, but the fact the it gets relicensed with a new incompatible license (which apart from other things, doesn't require attribution)
the idea being that Pinterest, as a company, could use it without attribution
yes?
 
yeah, exactly.
 
they seem to reproduce snippets of blog posts on google + which has a v similar license
Pinterest just have that license to allow them to actually show the content within their pages
if it is posted by SE without attribution... that isn't a Pinterest problem, is it?
 
In order to post it, Stack Exchange needs to agree to the clause above.
 
yes
 
9:16 PM
Where does Stack Exchange get that right?
 
likewise in google+
 
Sure.
 
@JamWheel he's not worried about what SE attributes, but after they post it, its under a different license
 
I don't think sharing on Pinterest is a bad idea. I just think that because of the content license Stack Exchange has chosen (which is a) awesome and b) at least partially responsible for SE's success), they need to ask for additional rights to do some things they'd just be able to do outright if they asked for complete ownership of user contributions (as, ironically, Pinterest is doing).
 
yeh... not sure I see why it is an issue... if you don't like it, withdraw your content and stop using the site, shirley? Isn't that the same for anyone who reproduces / shares your content via something like pinterest
i don't think Pinterest's clause gives them total ownership
just the ability to reproduce it on their website
 
9:20 PM
Well, I like contributing under the Creative Commons license.
The problem is, basically, Stack Exchange is better than Pinterest. So they can't just devolve to Pinterest without asking.
 
I'm still for it from a "I'd like to do it personally" but after discussing with @mattdm in chat, I understand his concerns more. It may be very possible that its simply incompatible. CC BY-SA allows for commercial use but only so long as the use retains a similar license. When its reposted to pinterest, it goes under a new, incompatible license. SE would be breaking an attribution clause, but they would be re-licensing it inappropriately. — rfusca 2 mins ago
 
@ElendilTheTall 2.5kg tricky to hand hold? (reading your blog) - not really that bad...
 
@JamWheel well you're forgetting that he's a weakling ;)
 
@rfusca :)
@rfusca did you see the question I posted earlier... didn't think we had questions which could turn into discussions (ie have no definitive answer)
 
@JamWheel ya, i'm just not sure on it...its definitely on the edge of acceptable. If it had some close votes, I'd probably make a decision
go ahead and flag it and the rest of the mods can weigh in
 
9:27 PM
ok
flagged
 
Rob
ooo that was fun
first use of my new cam
with some ice and a macro lens
 
nice
 
Rob
then I got a bit more creative
some bicycle lights
and a CD
2mins I will choose a sample
 
nice
 
Rob
I photoed my setup so might do a blog post
 
9:38 PM
awesome!
 
i might see if I can get my mate to allow me to photograph him taking shots at an airshow (or get him to photograph me) for a blog post later in the year
 
Rob
@JamWheel that would be a great technique to learn
brb reboot cos of nikon codec O_o
 
@JamWheel i'd love to have an air show blog post
 
thinking about trying to do a shot with the body static and showing the lens at various stages of the panning process somehow... dunno whether it would work
 
Rob
wtf
adobe bridge wont open these nef files
 
9:42 PM
could maybe do a brief video clip
 
Rob
I have installed the codec
 
@Rob serves you right for using nikon :P
 
Rob
yeh
never had this issue with my d60
 
umm
 
Rob
Re: ps4 nikon d7000 nef

You need ACR 6.3 min. so that would mean you need CS5x.
OMG
arrrrrr
 
9:43 PM
have you got the right Camera RAW installed?
ah
 
Rob
FFFFFFOOOOKKKKK
 
you just discovered Adobe's insurance policy :)
 
Rob
Adobe sleeping with nikon
 
same applies to all new cameras
it is adobe's way of ensuring upgrades
and presumably avoiding overheads of having to support all previous versions
 
Rob
balls
well
 
9:45 PM
balls indeed
 
Rob
im not very happy now
 
lol
 
Rob
anyway to show you guys the ice
ill use view nx
POO
 
doesn't nikon ship its own software/
?
 
Rob
yeh
poo-e view nx
 
9:46 PM
the cs5 upgrade is only 180 quid or something
 
Rob
more expense
 
welcome to photography
:)
righto, bed time for me - up at 05:00
nn all
 
Rob
 
@JamWheel nice
 
Rob
no editing (as my photosho dosnt work
 
9:52 PM
needs to be crushed
 
Rob
might try crushed next time
 
nice though
fun
 
Rob
thanks
 
@JamWheel tricky to hand hold steady compared to a cheap, light zoom, yes
@rfusca next blog post draft just uploaded, will add images tomorrow.
@rob ice cubes, that's a good idea
to the bat cave!
 
Rob
10:08 PM
@ElendilTheTall thanks
just discovered my ver of photoshop hates my new cam
as a photograpger what do i really need?
lightroom
photoshop?
right guys im off to bed
nn all
 
 
1 hour later…
11:20 PM
@Rob lightroom. I use darktable and Corel ASP (formerly Bibble).
@rob as for the icecubes, you need a consistent bg. it's distracting as is.
 

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