Hi all

@Rob hola

@Instantkamera ya, I think i've done that

flash keeps crashing on this tab, but I have no clue what on this page actually uses flash

@fluf happens to me too

found it Jplayer -> maybe makes the sound when you are @mentioned ?

missed out on mortarboard badge :(

@fluf ah, interesting

did you guys see theres a new version of total recall coming out this year

@Rob so sad

hahah

these badges are a bit ocd for me

like pokamon

>.<

@rfusca yah that, no sound for that mention

Pokemon!!!! love the gba games and the new NDS game as well :)

all emu ofc :P

:)

DS costs almost the same as a wii here

same in the uk

lol

meh our local online shopping website uses asp.net and is crap slow :/ I think they can learn a few things from se iirc they use a .net stack

ya, SE is very, very .NET

is it?

yes :)

not php and jquery :(

still loading...

always just assumed it was php and jquery

kalahari.com <- for reference

@Laura where are SE based?

the search bar is the last thing that renders on the page :/

nvm :/ gave up closed the tab

@Rob new york city

ah cool

all the best IT companies are in the US

or London

:S

lies :P

tell me :)

Canonical (SA based) as well as MXit (don't know if you heard of them) it's a cheap cellphone im thingy

they don't compare to MS or Apple though

I think thats what I mean

the Giants are in a totally different league .... they make more money than the annual budget for our country

Facebook etc

nothing compares to them :/

I have a question

can't go back to my lies comment :P strike through would be fitting now

might be worth putting on the site

if i take a photo at 3000X4000

px

but take a photo at 1500x2000

look at both on a big screen

but zoom them so objects are the same size

in the image

is the quality the same

i guess pixal density is at play

and should be the same right?

whats the resolution of the tv?

just a random q

erm

theoretical

12000x 12000

both images are on the same screen

I think to simplify the question

between quality settings on the cam

eg raw/fine/medium/low

photographing the same subject

is the image cropped or zoomed to the resolution - or is the pixel density increased?

should be easy to test

isn't it just resized in camera ?

from my photo's the quality is relatively the same the only difference is that when you go to 100% on both

it seems the camera resizes the photos

ok

Im gonna test it

ok left is L(fine) right is S3(fine)

all the shots were handheld

ok

looks the same

wait, whats going on?

is s3 more?

the smallest I can shoot

we are experimenting

with what?

so L fine is more

my question is this

right is zoomed 100% left is zoomed out to ~the same size

yeah L(fine) is the largest jpg I can shoot

ok

my question is

thats ISo3200 btw :P

@fluf good, cuz i was gonna say...

small 3

I have different quality modes on my cam

if you testing detail in your different modes, don't do it at ISO 3200 though

raw fine med and low

much detail is already destroyed

say raw is 3000x4000

@rfusca yes but i didn't want to kill puppies it is almost 8pm here

and fine is 1500x 2000

if I take a photo of the same object

and zoom so they are the same size

will the quality be the same?

or is pixel per inch increased?

I will get my cam an tripod in a bit and test

all the photos I took was 72dpi 24bit the resolution was the only difference

right

so

so is the photo cropped?

thats why I say it might be in camera resizing

ok

my brain is hurting on this one

let someone who knows more than me help :P looks at @rfusca

@fluf sorry, i can't too much - i'm working :/

np

I will test soon and get back to you

wonder if my findings could be added to the site in some way

maybe the resolution tag wiki?

ok well it's not cropping

so you dont loose any of the subject

same everything besides the quality of the image, which points to in camera resizing

nope none

hmm

is a pixel a standard size?

S2

be back in a bit

S3

thanks for the help so far @fluf

np I moved from taking one photo to the other

@rfusca images added to the post

@Rob No. Pixel == a "picture element", and describes a piece of an entire matrix that makes up an image (or display, sensor, etc). The size can vary, which should be evident considering we have sensors in our cameras that are a fixed size, yet contain more/less pixels. The only way to fit MORE pixels in the same area is ... to change the size of the pixels (technically, you can also change the space between pixels too, but you get what i mean)

@ElendilTheTall i think the only think I'll do is add a link to the SE lending program in meta

it needs more exposure

lol, blog views

@rfusca yes, please!

also, yay blog views :)

@Laura i think all the blog posts that are a result of that, should reference it somehow

get people thinking "how could I rent something that awesome for writing a blog post"

@laura ya, I knew some about your work history. When you started as our chaoser, I did my homework :) Thats why I'd asked if you knew resources

@rfusca yes, please :) It would also be cool if blog posts regularly started linking back to content on the main Q&A site - link a couple relevant questions or answers at the bottom of the post, or reference a great answer somewhere in the body of the post. Blog views are nice, but they'd be even better if they got more eyes on the main site too :)

@Laura nod yup, good point, I'll work on that from a blog admin perspective

And I'll let you know if I think of any other good resources - honestly, just spending like 20 minutes a day on Mashable will help a lot. Getting a sense of what other companies are doing with social media, even if they're not in the same industry as you, is always good.

@Laura awesome, thats good to know :)

@rfusca my wife was an avid crafter and sorta ran her own business. The people at etsy and sites like that are insanely good at self marketing and social media.

@Instantkamera nice

*rolls eyes* photo.stackexchange.com/questions/22560/…

It amounts to putting in the time, for one. But also building up a base of "fellow crafty folk" ... or in your case "fellow budding photo pros". Sure, they won't be your clients, but they can help get your name out and spread the word. Say, when you have some online promotion. It helps if you have like-minded friends who will re-tweet your posts and get the word to people who MAY actually use your services.

Same goes with following and actively tweeting/retweeting local businesses. If you make yourself visible as a FRIEND to them, they will reciprocate.

I know you scoffed at the suggestion that you should have an active flickr, but I think they are getting at the same point. That will help you bond with your fellow photographers and get the name out there more.

@mattdm closed, with a (hopefully nice enough) comment

IMO though, flickr is the least of your worries. It's all about twitter and FB. Run contests, get people involved, do giveaways, offer coupons (remember the groupon idea, you will be swamped with clientelle) and get friends in the biz and local "celebs" as twitter friends who will actively share what you put out.

Will SE sites ever have adverts?

@Rob they do

log out and look around the site

wow subtle :)

@rfusca A buddy of mine did a wagjag, he practically had to beat clients away with a stick.

@Instantkamera ya, i'll definitely look at groupon

And I don't live in the most progressive place ever, either. Im surprised there are that many who actually use the internet here

@rfusca can you explain what we were chatting about last night rent lenses for blog posts or somthing

read meta

it's all in there

ok

@rob @Instantkamera @mattdm - make sure and weigh in here if you have an opinion

Like it

@rfusca I ^'d your post, it's pretty spot on

Ditto

cool

I always say with anything i do - ask and credit me thats all

I don't use pinterest, but cant I share any SE question there anyway?

We just want to see as much of the community weigh in as possible

as far as I know yes

I have used pintrest

its good

@Instantkamera this is really less 'can' and more of a being courteous to the community

I have a question

shutterbug was asking about creating some kind of book

from content on the site

right, but im saying I think shit is shared anyway, So why not have it shared by SE proper. At least then it's done in a manner that maintains proper transparency to the original content

can he do that?

@Instantkamera agreed

@Rob as far as I know, yes

ok cool

its all CC BY-SA

I need to read up on that

@Rob creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0

thanks

ok im going to do some photography

been a long time

good

;)

show us the results

want todo macro ice

macro lice?

eww

:) ice

;)

last q

looks amazing for £600

but no OS

@Rob i'm watching one on ebay that may go for about 600$ USD :D

oh wow

i mean at 2.8 do you need OS?

for 200 mm at 2.8 thats v good

@Rob OS is clearly useful, but for the light I normally shoot in and the ISO I normally do, its not a huge loss

if you were doing weddings, I'd want it

if you're an outdoor photog, then eh

@rfusca my thoughts exactly

wonder the diff between the nikon

There's a Tamron thats cheaper, but the AF isn't as fast

oh right

but its reportedly very sharp

solid looking thing

ebay.com/itm/…

I like their EX lenses

my EX 50mm f/1.4 is beautiful

its gonna go up surly?

oh my

a little probably ya

the 50 mm 1.4 sigma is class leader imho

i have the nikon

ya, i like the sigma a lot - it lives on my camera

my only sigma is 10-20

its my landscape beauty lens

:D

as soon as tax money comes back (any day) and I can find one, i'm getting a Nikon 85mm f/1.8G or a tamron/sigma 70-200mm f/2.8

i just don't like landscapes as much

sure

the sigma has a macro mode to

nice

its probably not true macro

sure

they often label half size as macro

might have a look at the flickr group for more samples

yup

well, i'm off, ciao

cool cya man

macro == close focus

when they say that, it's usually never even close to real 1:1, but it generally does mean the lens will focus very closely, which is what sucks about most std nikon lenses.

I have a 90 mm macro which is 1:1

im very pleased with it

right, that's a proper macro

Im talking about the "macro" feature of non-dedicated lenses

yeh

@Instantkamera Yes. I (a stack exchange employee) am looking to create a branded account for Stack Exchange on Pinterest. Since I am acting on behalf of the company in a way that directly affects users, I wanted to get the opinions and hear any concerns from said users before I went ahead and started doing this. (Or, as @rfusca said more succinctly, I'm being courteous because I respect the community)

so is it a bad thing then?

take my 16-85 v. sigma 17-70 ... I could glue something to the front element of the sigma, and it will focus

the damn 16-85 ... I have to always back away from things

Laura - whats the strategy to compartmentalize the SE site areas

on pintrest

eg will you have sections/

@Laura I dig that. Im just saying that the rest of the internet doesn't have the same respect. I dont use pinterest, but I'm sure if I did, I would see random SE content pinned there anyway

@rob My plan is to have a different pinterest board for each subject - one for photography, one for food/cooking, one for diy, etc.

awesome

I still think its important to have a clear division between sites

@Instantkamera Yup. You might be right (I actually haven't done much looking to see if there's SE content on there yet.) The rest of the internet might not respect your wishes, but I feel like if I'm acting on behalf of a brand, I should. And I'm also genuinely curious about the opinions of our users since it's a rather contentious subject among photographers.

besides, us photographers have it easy. Anyone who reads some of the more popular web comics (xkcd, the oatmeal, etc) knows that they have it the worst. There are sites (that run ads) dedicated to ripping off hilarious jpgs.

@Laura I appreciate the thought, I'm hoping that the rest of the gang will see it's a bit of harmless cross-promotion.

That's my hope. And it's also worth bearing in mind that it's an experiment - I might find that it's too much work to keep a Pinterest account updated and that I'm not really seeing any results from it. If that's the case, I'd just stop using it entirely.

evenin all

'good evening elendil, how are you today?'

oh, not so bad thanks, you?

'yes, fine thanks'

'you're looking particularly fine today!'

@ElendilTheTall evening ;)

evening

on to the next blog post I suppose

I gots to get paid

@ElendilTheTall ya

@mattdm - not sure i understand this

@rfusca Which part?

@mattdm "Having Stack Exchange be cavalier about respecting their half of that deal is disappointing."

I dont consider that cavalier at all. I think it's mutually "good business"

The Creative Commons license means that even though Stack Exchange is a for-profit company, the answers we write (including images, but very much the text as well) goes towards increasing the common good.

That's cool.

But the license isn't just "public domain" — there's a pro quid pro.

@mattdm right?

Specifically, in return for letting Stack Exchange use my photos and writing commercially, they give me credit, and the rule about sharing is passed along to the next users.

So, when I say "cavalier", I mean "as long as I attribute it, I can share it anywhere". That's not the case!

There's a deal, and both sides need to be respected.

@mattdm right? so i'm not clear what SE isn't doing that they should be

@rfusca oh, nothing yet, but if they start posting CC-BY-SA content to Pinterest without an additional license from the contributor, then they are.