@mattdm hmmm

is this really answerable definitively or is this a discussion piece?

@mattdm I thought CC-BY-SA was distributable and adaptable?

@JamWheel as long as the distributed work remains under the same terms.

Pinterest requires an additional grant.

Now, I'm not a lawyer; that's just my reading.

@mattdm 'an additional grant' - where does pinterest require that

I don't understand what Pinterest is about... how is it different from the content being tweeted or similar?

"Subject to any applicable account settings you select, you grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, display, reproduce, re-pin, modify (e.g., re-format), re-arrange, and distribute your User Content on Pinterest for the purposes of operating and providing the Service(s) to you and to our other Users."

i imagine you would find a similar statement to that in twitters terms, also Google + etc

Stack Exchange simply doesn't have the right to grant that license.

Twitter isn't a similar issue, because as far as I know Stack Exchange just sends links to the content.

I don't think Pinterest's terms are out of line. I just think they're not compatible.

is the content actually reproduced on pinterest then?

@JamWheel yeah

do they reproduce it on google+?

(don't even know if they have an account there)

I dunno. I have an account but haven't looked at what Stack Exchange does.

so, why is it a big deal to you? you're not happy with them using your content on Pinterest?

@mattdm I finally understand what your issue is, I just don't think it was clearly stated in your comment. Its not with the attribution from SE, but the fact the it gets relicensed with a new incompatible license (which apart from other things, doesn't require attribution)

the idea being that Pinterest, as a company, could use it without attribution

yes?

yeah, exactly.

they seem to reproduce snippets of blog posts on google + which has a v similar license

Pinterest just have that license to allow them to actually show the content within their pages

if it is posted by SE without attribution... that isn't a Pinterest problem, is it?

In order to post it, Stack Exchange needs to agree to the clause above.

yes

Where does Stack Exchange get that right?

likewise in google+

Sure.

@JamWheel he's not worried about what SE attributes, but after they post it, its under a different license

I don't think sharing on Pinterest is a bad idea. I just think that because of the content license Stack Exchange has chosen (which is a) awesome and b) at least partially responsible for SE's success), they need to ask for additional rights to do some things they'd just be able to do outright if they asked for complete ownership of user contributions (as, ironically, Pinterest is doing).

yeh... not sure I see why it is an issue... if you don't like it, withdraw your content and stop using the site, shirley? Isn't that the same for anyone who reproduces / shares your content via something like pinterest

i don't think Pinterest's clause gives them total ownership

just the ability to reproduce it on their website

Well, I like contributing under the Creative Commons license.

The problem is, basically, Stack Exchange is better than Pinterest. So they can't just devolve to Pinterest without asking.

@ElendilTheTall 2.5kg tricky to hand hold? (reading your blog) - not really that bad...

@JamWheel well you're forgetting that he's a weakling ;)

@rfusca :)

@rfusca did you see the question I posted earlier... didn't think we had questions which could turn into discussions (ie have no definitive answer)

@JamWheel ya, i'm just not sure on it...its definitely on the edge of acceptable. If it had some close votes, I'd probably make a decision

go ahead and flag it and the rest of the mods can weigh in

ok

flagged

ooo that was fun

first use of my new cam

with some ice and a macro lens

nice

then I got a bit more creative

some bicycle lights

and a CD

2mins I will choose a sample

nice

I photoed my setup so might do a blog post

awesome!

i might see if I can get my mate to allow me to photograph him taking shots at an airshow (or get him to photograph me) for a blog post later in the year

@JamWheel that would be a great technique to learn

brb reboot cos of nikon codec O_o

@JamWheel i'd love to have an air show blog post

thinking about trying to do a shot with the body static and showing the lens at various stages of the panning process somehow... dunno whether it would work

wtf

adobe bridge wont open these nef files

could maybe do a brief video clip

I have installed the codec

@Rob serves you right for using nikon :P

yeh

never had this issue with my d60

umm

OMG

arrrrrr

have you got the right Camera RAW installed?

ah

FFFFFFOOOOKKKKK

you just discovered Adobe's insurance policy :)

Adobe sleeping with nikon

same applies to all new cameras

it is adobe's way of ensuring upgrades

and presumably avoiding overheads of having to support all previous versions

balls

well

balls indeed

im not very happy now

lol

anyway to show you guys the ice

ill use view nx

POO

doesn't nikon ship its own software/

?

yeh

poo-e view nx

the cs5 upgrade is only 180 quid or something

welcome to photography

:)

righto, bed time for me - up at 05:00

nn all

@JamWheel nice

no editing (as my photosho dosnt work

needs to be crushed

might try crushed next time

nice though

fun

thanks

@JamWheel tricky to hand hold steady compared to a cheap, light zoom, yes

@rfusca next blog post draft just uploaded, will add images tomorrow.

@rob ice cubes, that's a good idea

to the bat cave!

@ElendilTheTall thanks

just discovered my ver of photoshop hates my new cam

as a photograpger what do i really need?

lightroom

photoshop?

right guys im off to bed

nn all

@Rob lightroom. I use darktable and Corel ASP (formerly Bibble).

@rob as for the icecubes, you need a consistent bg. it's distracting as is.