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4:07 PM
Is the notion of structure group also useful for manifolds beyond fiber bundles
 
Isn't the positive mass theorem proven in susy
 
The coordinate charts of the Moebius strip will have the structure group $Z_2$
Is that useful for something beyond fiber bundles?
 
why are we drawing dicks
 
if this is your dick please consult a physician
 
damn i should have seen that coming
dayum son you just roasted me
@Slereah ?
that's just thinking of the moebius strip as a line bundle
how is that "beyond fiber bundles"?
 
4:15 PM
Are there any properties you can derive from this that are just manifold properties
Oh wait, isn't the orientation of a manifold related to this
 
No... it's orientation of the vector bundle
An oriented manifold can admit lots of nonorientable vector bundles
 
It’s an interesting exercise that the tangent bundle is always an orientable manifold
 
Is it?
 
Yes
 
the more u know
 
4:21 PM
It's orientable as a manifold, but orientability as a vector bundle of course implies the manifold is orientable
 
The tangent bundle needn’t be an orientable vb
 
ah so it's orientable wrt the jacobians of the chart
 
right
 
But not with the transport of vectors?
or whatever vector bundle orientability is
 
@0celo7 you changed your minimal surface since last time i saw you
 
4:26 PM
@Eric dear god why are you in this cancerous place
 
I'm in a physics lecture rn and I thought "hey I've never even been on the physics SE"
so here I am
 
I should try to prove it for the noose manifold
a bit more intuitive to do since the tangent bundle is 2D
 
What's the lecture about
 
it's baby e&m
I stopped doing physics to do more math at the beginning of uni and now im going back
 
Tong's notes are good on it damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/em.html
 
4:30 PM
oh cool thanks i needed notes
my class uses purcell and it's 2 big
 
Ah nice
Stokes and Gauss Divergence theorem in that book are unbelievable
But it goes on and on in other chapters
 
I expect Eric doesn't need to revisit Gauss and Stokes ... :P
 
my vector calc is solid
im a diff geo guy
 
The 'proofs' in that book are not like the proof in most books
I found one paper that seems to use a rigorous version of that proof to prove Stokes for forms with singularities, but I gave up, but my god
 
@bolbteppa most books don't have proofs
 
4:35 PM
Proof assumes it's natural flawed meaning for physics books as per usual :p
 
most books are fiction
 
@EricSilva I believe it’s now a Scherk surface with many ends
 
sounds right
 
@0celo7 did you plot it yourself?
 
i can never remember the names of all the minimal surfaces
 
4:38 PM
@EmilioPisanty stole it from the Bible of minimal surface pictures
 
it's such a horrid looking surface though
 
didn't the Bible have some bit in it about stealing?
 
@BalarkaSen how dare u
 
i prefer this
 
4:40 PM
my favorite minimal dude is Costa tho tbh
 
@BalarkaSen looks like a torus doing yoga
 
it's a sphere actually
immersed sphere
 
Looks like a sperm
 
if your sperm looks like that please consult a doctor
get roasted :airhorn: :fire:
 
I don’t know what my sperm looks like.
 
4:42 PM
only one way to find out
 
@loocsieulb ok bend over
 
@Eric you still want to be here?
 
Why wouldn’t he want to be here
 
@BalarkaSen rip
 
4:47 PM
Guys, don't scare off the newcomers :P
 
i meant you could order an optical microscope from ebay.
 
then say so, please
 
the rest is up to you ^0^
 
@JohnRennie I spent all day looking at compiler symbol tables, this job is great :D
 
glad you're enjoying it
 
4:49 PM
@ACuriousMind Ah, you're working on the design of the scripting language used in SAP?
 
@ACuriousMind are you telling me sexual advances are unwelcoming
 
@ACuriousMind ya i'm sure it's so much better than studying supersymmetric compactifications or whatever
i'm happy for you
 
@JohnRennie Neon meate dream of an octofish!!!
 
@JohnRennie sort of - trying to write code checks
 
STTAAP! da trolling @0celo7
 
4:51 PM
@0celo7 blue condoms are hard to find :'(
 
@0celo7 generally, yes, these are unwelcome here. This is not a dating site.
 
Compiler/interpreter design is hard core nerdery :-)
 
@loocsieulb yes, it actually is. I haven't felt so excited trying to understand something in a long time
 
I've written a couple of interpreters over the years, but only simple ones and I've never attempted a compiler
 
@ACuriousMind lol
 
4:53 PM
@ACuriousMind finally a formidable challenge for an AI
 
This chat is too weird
 
quantum gravity is too basic. compiler symbol tables are where it's at
 
@loocsieulb is mocking you @ACuriousMind
 
what?
 
is the snow gone?
 
4:55 PM
i had this dream last night where a cat had broken into my apartment and was living inside a cupboard without me realizing it and kept shitting everywhere when i wasn't home.
i think i got rid of it though
 
@JohnRennie the compiler already exists, fortunately, I'm just stealing its work ;)
 
@JohnRennie give it a shot?
 
@skullpatrol the world does need another compiler. There are too many of them already :-)
 
@BalarkaSen
 
Beautiful
 
4:58 PM
classic
 
@ACuriousMind the thingabout a complex IT project is you have to try and assemble a mental map of all the bits to understand how it ll fits together. It can be remarkably hard for a big complicated project. Working on a really big project like Kodi I've found it took me days and days to attain that nirvana momet.
At the moment I'm trying to rewrite the mathematical model for doing calculation of equilibria in reactor cooling systems and nirvana is some way off yet!
 
5:13 PM
in Mathematics, 1 min ago, by Abhas Kumar Sinha
I'm trying to understand space-time
in Mathematics, 1 min ago, by Abhas Kumar Sinha
and timetravel
 
rip in cringe
 
@BalarkaSen is this what physics is
 
Yes
 
Anonymous
I'd advice him to contact Deepak Chopra
 
LOOL
 
5:17 PM
Deepak the quack?
 
Anonymous
He'd be a great heir to that throne for sure ;)
 
Anonymous
@skullpatrol I didn't know Deepak quacks
 
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
 
All the 'convenient choice' coefficients in string theory are so frustrating
 
does anyone knows how to get the dissipated energy on a rezistor if the intensity is 4 ?
the answer is sqrt(2)*64/5 but I couldn't figure out what is the formula
 
5:25 PM
What is the intensity? That is, what quantity do you mean by intensity?
Light intensity? As in a light dependent resistor?
 
the current intensity
 
4 amps?
 
yes
 
Power dissipated is just $W = I^2R$
Where I is the current through the resistor and R is the resistance
 
Anonymous
@BalarkaSen Do you know about the max stable distribution stuff....Gumbel, Weibull, Frechet etc? I had some question about convolution of distributions to form max stable distributions
 
5:28 PM
it says the dissipated power after 2 seconds and on graph at 2 second is 4 amps
 
@Blue I'm afraid not. @Eric is the functional analyst
 
Anonymous
It's not functional analysis. Just statistics :P
 
Anonymous
Maybe they overlap
 
@JohnRennie so strange then.Thanks for help
 
@Blue that's not funny
 
5:30 PM
@O.Rares you'll need to give us a bit more information. For example you are referring to a graph and I have no idea what the graph shows.
 
deepak specializes in quantum healing
he needs to contact JD i think
 
@Blue Oh I see, no idea
 
@JohnRennie is just a linear graph with time and intensity and the problems says that if we apply the graph to a resistor what will be the dissipated power after 2 seconds
and at 0 seconds there are 0 amps and at 2 second there are 4 amps
 
@O.Rares I wonder if it means the total energy dissipated in the first two seconds. You'd get that by integrating the power with respect to time.
 
Anonymous
@BalarkaSen I was reading some pretty cool stuff about probability distributions today. Mainly the Levi $\alpha$ stable distributions and the generalized Central Limit theorem for infinitely divisible distributions.
 
Anonymous
5:36 PM
The convolution of probability distributions is apparently very helpful in predicting rare events like earthquakes and avalanches (basically if you linearly rescale random variables with identical probability distributions they tend to the max stable distributions...and there are only three types of them in classical mechanics). We could talk about that someday, I was quite surprised on learning the huge applications of this area of statistics :) Meanwhile lemme ask my question on MSE :P
 
Anonymous
The guassian is apparently an extreme case of the levi alpha stable distributions where the odd cumulants vanish....and there's tons of applications of that too
 
@JohnRennie Yes,the total energy dissipated. Is it possible to get the power only from the intensity ? If not I think the problem is missing some details
 
Well the power is $I^2R$. From what you say the current is given by $I = 2t$ where $t$ is the time in seconds e.g. at $t = 2$ seconds the current is 4 amps.
That means the power is $W(t) = 4Rt^2$
Integrate that to get the total energy dissipated as a function of time and we get:
$E(t) = 4/3 R t^3$
 
Thanks a lot,hope that it will help me tomorrow
 
almost had a grease fire
Well, i had a grease fire
Fortunately it extinguished
Another day alive
 
5:49 PM
You burned John Travolta?
 
Yikes, get that special blanket for those things
 
@BalarkaSen i would never call myself one but ok
 
Anonymous
Hi @EricSilva, haven't seen you here before
 
hello, yeah i came here on a whim
 
Anonymous
Well, welcome to the physicist's bar :P
 
5:59 PM
lol thanks
 
@Blue Should be the physicists' bar, unless you mean to imply there's only one physicist left here ;)
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind Actually that's true. There's only one physicist left here....and that's JR :D
 
Anonymous
And whether he is a physicist is debatable (he's a good-at-everything physical chemist)
 
Anonymous
:P
 
I'm retired. These days I'm a layabout not a physicist :-)
 
6:09 PM
@BalarkaSen if Eric is a Functional Analysis what am I
Fucking autocorrect
 
@Blue I'm a physics PhD student... Does that count? (I think we've talked about this before...)
 
Anonymous
@Mithrandir24601 shoo shoo...you engineer
 
Anonymous
:P
 
@Blue :P
 
@0celo7 you're a PDE
there is only one physicist and his name is John Duffield
 
6:15 PM
The phantom unstarrer strikes again
 
Anonymous
That was unstarred by a mod
 
Let us not discuss those who have departed the mortal (chat) realm
albeit temporarily.
 
yes, let us take a moment of silence
both for his departure and for his potential arrival
 
Anonymous
lol
 
Can we be mean again when he comes back
 
6:18 PM
As a room owner I couldn't possibly condone that
 
@BalarkaSen the heir of Einstein
@JohnRennie I put a lot of spinach in stroganoff last night
It’s a magic leaf
 
That seems an odd thing to do
 
Makes everything better
 
no, the coca leaf is magical
Spinach is pretty ordinary
 
@0celo7 bestowed with the kingly title "the Evidence"
 
6:21 PM
I would have thought spinach in a stew would rapidly turn into a green sludge
 
@JohnRennie I didn’t cook it in there for 10 minutes!
Put it in for a minute and then served
Along with broccoli and carrots
You’d be allergic to my food
 
6:49 PM
what is the maximal structure group for a bundle anyway
Is it $\operatorname{Diff}(E)$ or $GL$
Or is it basically the same thing
i dunno
 
ola
 
tips hat
 
winter bash ended a while ago.
::feels sense of deja vu::
 
7:10 PM
@Slereah GL
 
Are all fiber bundles with the same total space, base space, fiber and structure group isomorphic?
I guess I should specify the smallest structure group possible
Otherwise you could do both the tangent bundle and trivial bundle with GL
 
@CooperCape wait why
 
Hey, @ACuriousMind, is it true that Germans think that eating reheated spinach spells instant death?
 
@DanielSank I have never heard of that
 
7:53 PM
@CooperCape same
 
Heading to the gym. Today is leg day :(
 
8:09 PM
Cows, so whos legs you watching?
 
wot
 
... at the gym
oops the cows went home, well to the gym
 
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