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12:10 AM
@ArtOfCode if we are adding weight to domains which are always spam, then we're basically doubling up on the weight for most blacklist items, which we don't want to do.
@quartata yeah, I commented it out for the moment
...but, that may be a good idea for once we set up DB sync between instances for blacklists/notifications etc, that way we could remove the blacklist reason (or give it no weight) and allow MS to manage the items on the blacklist and their individual weight
But that would start to blur the line between smokey and ms
 
Restart: API quota is 13562.
 
While it technically is spam.... I don't want to go and nuke it as such, especially since the book is free. But NAA should be fine
 
I'm going with NaA for now.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Trying to identify a novel that features communication with dolphins by John Hoopes on scifi.SE (@Mithrandir)
 
12:59 AM
@SmokeDetector n
 
FYI @JohnDvorak charcoal-se.org still refers to your as Jan
@SmokeDetector this still needs to be rolled back
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: SanDisk ImageMate SDDR-99 5-in-1 Card Reader help by user742743 on askubuntu.com
 
SD k
 
2:02 AM
tp- by Owen Hines
 
@Mithrandir Oh, did they undo it?
 
I deleted my review of it
 
2:15 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Forgetting what have you published by inam on academia.SE
tpu- by Owen Hines
 
 
2 hours later…
3:54 AM
Any of y'all played Cuphead yet?
 
@OwenHines You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@OwenHines ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
I swear I thought I was. Oh well
 
5:03 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: string interpolation in angular2 and its dynamicity by Long Dong Steven on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Makyen
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: SanDisk ImageMate SDDR-99 5-in-1 Card Reader help by user742743 on askubuntu.com
tp- by Owen Hines
 
@OwenHines if you want privs, I can make a PR for you.
 
@AshishAhuja That'd be great if you could. Thank you.
 
@SmokeDetector Someone sure hates Angular 2. :P
 
5:06 AM
@Jamal That shitpost has been around for a while now lol
 
@OwenHines done. I can't approve my own PR, so you'll have to wait for another code admin to approve it.
 
@AshishAhuja Thank you.
 
!!/whois code_admin
 
@AshishAhuja I am aware of 19 code_admin. Currently in this room: Ashish Ahuja, ArtOfCode, John Dvorak, Magisch. Not currently in this room: Ferrybig, doppelgreener, Thomas Ward, angussidney, suraj, tripleee, Mithrandir, Yvette Colomb, ProgramFOX, Paul Stenne, Henders, Andy, Undo, Glorfindel, NobodyNada.
 
5:12 AM
hmm, looks like no other code admin present in this room is active, so you may have to wait for a while.
 
That's fine. Glad there's a PR though.
 
Both users above are using the same blacklisted website, so they're probably from the same source. Should they all get spam flags?
 
5:28 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to install CKeditor by USA Videos on stackoverflow.com
 
I'll just cast custom flags for one of them.
 
tpu- by Makyen
tpu- by Owen Hines
 
5:48 AM
@Jamal All the code on those answers is plagiarized from the individual page linked in each answer (source site explicitly prohibits copying).
 
6:09 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: Can I use a common mode choke as a coupled inductor in a SEPIC converter by Codebind Seo on electronics.SE
tpu- by paper1111
Restart: API quota is 11979.
 
6:26 AM
@AshishAhuja nice number
 
:)
!!/amiprivileged
 
@OwenHines ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
does it have to restart?
 
!!/pull
 
Restart: API quota is 11921.
 
6:28 AM
@OwenHines Try again
 
@Ashish I think you have to put the autopull in the title, not the description
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@OwenHines ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
Hmm Idk
 
dont worry about it
 
6:29 AM
The --autopull needs to be in the title.
 
The PR isn't merged yet @Mithrandir
 
@paper1111 that's why it isn't merged.
I can only merge PRs that have the autopull.
 
makes sense
 
Hmm ok maybe I'm just confused
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How to transfer changes to a child theme? by Rafwes on wordpress.SE
fp- by paper1111
 
6:34 AM
@SmokeDetector n
I won't fool around with trying to change the PR title now, because I'm on my phone, but I think @AshishAhuja can change it.
 
@SmokeDetector naa
 
@paper1111 Recorded answer as an NAA in metasmoke.
API quota rolled over with 11869 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.
math: 11
stackoverflow: 7
physics: 5
apple: 4
askubuntu: 4
graphicdesign: 2
mathematica: 2
movies: 2
gis: 2
english: 1
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meta: 1
wordpress: 1
dba: 1
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literature: 1
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drupal: 1
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scifi: 1
pm: 1
 
Does that happen often?
 
Yes.
 
the quota rollover
Just rate limiting on SE's side?
 
6:39 AM
Yup
 
We've actually got double the usual quota B)
 
nice
 
Anyway, I think @tripleee can merge the PR without the autopull - when they come online they can probably take care of it.
 
ok, thx
 
7:00 AM
@Mithrandir alright, I'll change it.
done.
 
thx
 
crap; looks like MS won't (auto)merge it now.
 
Needs approving again lol
 
looks like @Mithrandir approved it again; thanks!
 
7:03 AM
Hmm
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: Steer a motorcycle with SteamVR Controllers by Mei Lien on stackoverflow.com
 
I'm not sure if it worked
 
tpu- by paper1111
 
maybe because it wasnt originally in the title, idk
 
@Mithrandir Yup it wasn't automatically merged
 
7:03 AM
I don't want to make it a hassle for you guys, though.
 
!!/rev
 
!!/pull
 
maybe I should try approving it?
 
7:04 AM
Maybe merging it and then pulling it?
 
I know I shouldn't approve my own PR's, but as Mith has already approved it, I don't think that'll be harmful
 
Restart: API quota is 11740.
 
@paper1111 we don't have merge privs
 
Ah
Ok then nothing
 
Which is probably for the best in my case :P
 
7:05 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Steer a motorcycle with SteamVR Controllers by Mei Lien on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by paper1111
 
I'll close the current PR and make another one; maybe that will work.
 
That'll mess up that nice number then :(
 
@Mithrandir aww..
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: How do I use requestAnimationFrame with Motorcycle and mostjs by Mei Lien on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Owen Hines
 
7:10 AM
Huh.
@SmokeDetector why
 
@Mithrandir Body - Position 137-147: bikebd.com
 
looks like it still doesn't work..
 
I guess wait for a manual merge by higher up?
 
@OwenHines yeah, that is all we can do for now.
Looks like there's a problem in the auto merge
 
Alright. Thanks for trying though
 
7:12 AM
afk
 
Let's see, time for some science
 
tpu- by Owen Hines
 
!!/blacklist-website bikebd\.com
 
@LocutusofBorg You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1113 for you.
Merged SmokeDetector #1113.
 
7:15 AM
That's my sock 4/4 last two days below auto
 
CI on 4356f37 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
 
Huh.
 
Okay... I guess !!/approve is working?
 
Restart: API quota is 11682.
 
OK, I'm stumped.
 
7:18 AM
:/
 
Also I guess I was wrong about the title
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, mostly dots in body, mostly dots in title: .............................................kkknknknknk by Das Mupp on stackoverflow.com
 
SD v
 
Is there an easy way to access site-specific spam over time stats?
 
7:29 AM
@Wrzlprmft That was already caught and posted here by Smokey earlier
 
@OwenHines Ah, I didn’t search back enough.
 
@OwenHines was it?
Smokey would've replied with a different message then.
 
19 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
oops, too late
 
hmm, that's weird.
IIRC it replies with a different message..
 
7:33 AM
Only within a certain time frame.
 
ah, makes sense. thx!
 
!!/watch starsportslive3\.blogspot\.com
 
@paper1111 That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in body and Potentially bad keyword in answer; use !!/watch-force if you really want to do that.
 
Oops nothing
 
7:42 AM
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Since my question from earlier didn’t receive feedback: Is there any way to get the spam rate over time for a specific site?
 
tpu by Owen Hines
 
7:57 AM
@Wrzlprmft like the number of spam posts per day or something?
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@OwenHines ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
CI on 76a1307 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
 
@angussidney can you force pull the merged PR
 
@AshishAhuja @angus
 
7:59 AM
oh nvm
 
Restart: API quota is 19925.
 
Heh 👍
 
Try the command again @Owen
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@OwenHines ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
8:00 AM
Eek
 
is that the wrong id...
in the commit?
 
@Wrzlprmft This?
 
@paper1111 for a specific site, over time. We have a graph which does one or the other, but not both.
 
its for the chat network ID, right? mine is 238145, and the one in the commit was 248139
 
@angussidney Yes, though I would prefer per-week stats.
 
8:01 AM
@OwenHines I'll fix it
 
so was that the wrong ID?
@angussidney Ok, thanks
 
To be more specific, I have the feeling that the spam rate for Graphic Design dropped and I would like to confirm this with data.
 
CI on da9e9af succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev da9e9af (angussidney: Attempt 3 to add Owen to CHQ) (running on angussidney/EC2)
Restart: API quota is 19893.
 
@Wrzlprmft Maybe use the metasmoke API?
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
8:04 AM
@OwenHines ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
@paper1111 No, that's bad for scraping
 
thanks @angussidney
 
@Wrzlprmft You can try using the data explorer if you know a bit of JS (but I don't recommend it for large datasets since it basically breaks MS), otherwise @Undo might be able to get you a DB dump. I think @Andy made a spam-by-site-over-time graph a while back (IIRC), you could get him to regenerate it
 
@angussidney You need core privileges for the data explorer
 
8:08 AM
@angussidney … also, the dataset would probably count as large – GD still ranks third in spam.
 
Yeah. You'd have to add the dataset for all posts, and last time that I did that I kinda crashed MS.....
Also, gave you core privs, I'm very surprised that you don't have them already
 
@angussidney I don't have them...
I am only Reviewer and Flagger
 
Done, you've contributed enough to earn it
 
Thx
 
@angussidney I am certainly not a core contributor (I am not even regularly frequenting this room anymore) and I do not intend to contribute in any form beyond flagging and complaining in the near future.
@angussidney Do the deletion logs comprise all identified spam (or nearly all of it)? If yes, I could start there.
 
8:25 AM
@Wrzlprmft you don't necessarily have to code or regularly flag stuff to be considered, you just need to have made some form of non-insignificant contribution to Charcoal over time. You've been here for a long time, flagging, giving feedback, reporting posts, etc - you're certainly elegible. No strings attached - just a token of our gratitude :)
 
Now all I need to do is learn JS to crash Metasmoke.
 
@Wrzlprmft the deletion logs aren't complete; we only watch posts for 20 mins before we drop the deletion watching websocket, and they're a bit buggy anyway.
That's why it's restricted to core :)
 
Why JS anyway? I thought Smokey was mostly Python?
 
Cai
@Wrzlprmft not a whole load of control over the graph but there is metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
 
@Wrzlprmft MS is written in Ruby anyway, but I think it's the way it is because that's the way Art wrote it
Also, once MS fetches you the data, the queries can be run browser-side to reduce server load
 
8:29 AM
@Cai Thanks, but I want to look at a larger time frame (and preferably without the trivial weekly oscillation).
 
I'm probably gonna be going to bed now. Good night all
 
@angussidney Which doesn’t really help if obtaining the dataset for all posts crashes MS.
 
Yeah. If you give me an email, I can send you the link to a database dump from about March. While it isn't up-to-date, it's something that you can use until you get an up-to-date copy.
My email is on my profile if you don't want to reveal it publicly.
 
@angussidney Thanks, but I was mostly interested in the development since about then.
 
I know, but if I give you a database dump you can start to write the code needed to analyse it, then when you get an up-to-date copy you just have to run the code against it :)
 
8:36 AM
@angussidney It’s not that urgent; I can wait. Also, if another solution presents itself, I wouldn’t waste my time.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Can website reuse my credit card after online payment? by braeckmans ROBERT on money.SE
 
@SmokeDetector tpu-
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Does Removing a User From PS4 Delete the Account? by Help reply on gaming.SE
fp- by paper1111
fp feedback on autoflagged post: Does Removing a User From PS4 Delete the Account?
 
That's not spam
 
@SmokeDetector n
 
8:51 AM
fp feedback on autoflagged post: Does Removing a User From PS4 Delete the Account?
 
@SmokeDetector autoflagged
 
@Mithrandir That post was automatically flagged, using flags from: Floern.
 
@Floern you may want to retract
 
And you may want to reconsider your 'two reasons any weight' settings.
 
@OwenHines oops, sorry; looks like I copy pasted the wrong id.
 
@DavidPostill Not enough arguments.
 
User is spamming his youtube channel — DavidPostill ♦ 31 secs ago
 
tpu by Nisse Engström on autocomplete textbox and angularjs [MS]
tpu by Nisse Engström
 
65 new notifications... Riiiight.
 
Seriously? o_o
 
9:13 AM
tpu- by Owen Hines
[ charcoal-se.github.io ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/push success on 240988b: The Travis CI build passed
 
9:53 AM
@ArtOfCode Art of Socialisation, eh?
I swear some cosmic entity has it out for me
Haven't been sick for 2 months not even a sneeze and then on my long birthday weekend I get a nasty cold on friday
 
@Mithrandir apparently I'm in demand
 
@ArtOfCode I guess I'll push off that list of userscripts then
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: Person keeps coming back into group conversation by Rose Williams on apple.SE
tpu- by paper1111
 
Oh, I just realized that I earned Marshal on Graphic Design this morning \o/
 
10:15 AM
@Mithrandir Heh, probably best :)
 
10:48 AM
@Magisch Happy Birthday! (for whatever day it is/was)
 
10:59 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: Pointwise bound on the gradient of solution of poisson equation by F.Kar on mathoverflow.net
tp- by J F
 
J F
11:23 AM
\o/ Marshal on AU
 
11:41 AM
@JF :) much appreciated
 
11:54 AM
Oh, hey @Zanna! Joining the spam squad now too? :D
 
@ByteCommander more like lurking... I heard Smokey isn't talking in AUGR...
 
Yep, I think terdon or someone else asked for silence.
 
it became less useful since Smokey got souped up (I for one could never flag anything before it was gone), but Eliah Kagan mentioned that spam answers were hanging around longer since Smokey went quiet in AUGR
I think we were going to let Smokey into the Downboat... maybe I'm supposed to be doing that!
 
Sounds like an option.
You just have to ask one of the devs, for them adding another reporting room is easy.
 
oh yeah?
 
12:11 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +2 more: newmusclesupplements.com/thrivemax/ by johnmartin on askubuntu.com
tpu- by ByteCommander
 
Those FIRE, AIM, FDSC and SPAM user scripts are also quite useful for flagging quickly.
 
12:37 PM
!!/watch staffordglobal\.org
 
@Glorfindel Added staffordglobal\.org to watchlist
CI on 187e048 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
Restart: API quota is 18218.
 
12:56 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: localhost/phpMyAdmin/ unable to connect by ALEJNA on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by J F
 
1:09 PM
naa- by DavidPostill
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Ubuntu 16.04 Cannot Resolve Hostname by Mahmoud Issa on askubuntu.com
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: piano choice: Based on age or talent? by Mahmoud Issa on music.SE
tpu- by Wrzlprmft
 
There's more history of that, btw: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
 
1:32 PM
!!/watch www\.ju\.edu\.jo
 
@Glorfindel Added www\.ju\.edu\.jo to watchlist
CI on a4603eb succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
Restart: API quota is 17855.
 
2:13 PM
naa- by Glorfindel
 
 
2 hours later…
3:49 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: Student vs Teacher by Birdie Wyatt on stackoverflow.com
tpu by Jamal
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
4:32 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: Format string vulnerability by HIIIIIII on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by DavidPostill
 
4:58 PM
fp- by ByteCommander
 
NVZ
why don't i see smokey info on ELU when I flag
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How Should Django´Views be In this example? by mohammed qudah on stackoverflow.com
 
I'm torn on whether or not this is spam: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/144173/31716
It's definitely not an answer, and I have delete privileges, but it might also be spam
 
5:21 PM
naa- by ByteCommander
 
@NVZ I flagged, but am confused why FDSC did not report it (or why Smokey didn't post the report)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Worshippers of the rising sun by School App India on english.SE
tpu- by Wrzlprmft
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: The limit of Riemann sums $\sum_{k=1}^{n}\cos(\frac{k\pi}{2n})\frac{ \pi}{2n}$ by koo122 on math.SE
 
5:37 PM
@SmokeDetector k
 
NVZ
@ByteCommander i didn't see fdsc on elu's flag screen. but i can see it on some other sites.
 
@NVZ It is only visible if there is a report already, but it should create a report if you red-flag something that isn't reported yet anyway.
 
6:28 PM
@ByteCommander that's been broken for like forever
 
@DJMcMayhem spam
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in body: Math behind No Arbitrage Condition by Ola Hansen on quant.SE
 
Video could be monitized
 
fp- by DavidPostill
 
6:42 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Create an analogue clock by vishal desai on codegolf.SE (@Mego @quartata)
 
sd k
Ugh 2 delete votes
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin body: Translation from Coptic to English by user86853 on linguistics.SE
 
sd f
Off topic tho
 
@Mithrandir I remember that it worked not too long ago though... weird
 
7:33 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: Trump Takes to Twitter as Puerto Rico's Crisis Mounts? by Drama Queen on math.SE
 
sd k
 
Restart: API quota is 14945.
tpu by Jamal
 
7:49 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: BCM43142 wifi adapter drops connection on windows 10 by Zdeslav on superuser.com
tpu- by DavidPostill
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Red indicator for an empty queue by Eko Sutopoe on meta.SE
naa by Jamal
 
8:05 PM
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector That is translated "You do not use Markdown here" according to Google - how is this Abusive?
 
naa- by ByteCommander
 
8:34 PM
tpu- by Owen Hines
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Refractive index of air in dependence of temperature by kaliai on physics.SE
tpu- by ByteCommander
 
8:55 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, +3 more: Thrive Max musclech3mistry.org/thrive-max/ by roseebackerr on superuser.com
tpu- by ByteCommander
 
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