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12:09 AM
there was an "other than that" implicit
 
1:08 AM
@stacksfiller If we're okay with this, then...
CCCC: Investigator's flawed, having true instead of false (9)
 
DE{F->T}ECTIVE
 
1:37 AM
@ffao is it an &lit; too?
 
Doesn't look like it. Def is "Investigator", right?
 
Investigator = DETECTIVE
oh
 
Investigator is not doing double duty, so not an &lit
 
Sorry, thought the final answer was DEFECTIVE for whatever reason
 
2:33 AM
@ffao Needless to say, yup
 
 
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4:07 AM
So this is the time chat has to bear my clue?
CCCC: Allied one moves forward, free from restraint (6)
I like how my keyboard already autocompletes a star to CCCC
 
4:49 AM
Is there a word for 2.5x?
 
@boboquack Doublanalfle?
 
 
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Sid
6:08 AM
@ffao this seems wrong but, is it UNITED? :UNTIED with I in front of T?
 
hah.
that seems exactly right.
"one" (I) moves forward
 
@Sid I'm sure that's it, but I think it's the other way round: UNTIED is the def, with the I in UNITED moved forward, i.e. in reading direction.
 
I think the clue is backwards somehow.
"free from restraint" should be the def, but the wordplay moves the I the wrong way
@MOehm hm. yeah that might be it, at that
 
Sid
Oh, moved forward left to right
 
Otherwise there should have been an indicator, e.g. "I moved forward in ...", no?
 
Sid
6:13 AM
Maybe.
 
Yes, it's somewhat inconsistent that forward and backward refer to the reading direction, but the heads and tails of words are defined the other way round, so that "moved forwards" usually isn't the same as "moved to the front".
 
Sid
So, who is up next?
This is obviously correct. ffao is asleep, perhaps?
 
You're next, of course.
 
Sid
Bah..
If anyone has a clue ready, go for it. I might be a bit busy for a couple of hours
 
"Drinks, eats starter with vacant seat pushed back and stick-like arms (13)" uses "back" to indicate movement --> that way :)
that's the way that makes more intuitive sense to me, but I can definitely see that there are word usages that have ambiguity that can be fun to play with
 
6:24 AM
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Q: Cryptic Riddle!

Jyotish RobinI am a 6 letter word. I am a part of your daily life. Remove the third letter from me and if you leave enough space, i am available. Remove the last letter from me and read me backwards,avid readers will easily identify me. Shuffle me, even if it feels good, I would just say not bad. Who am...

 
@Rubio Touché! :)
So what I wanted to say is that there is absolutely some leeway in how to interpret the direction of movement. (Note the careful use of "usually" in my statement above.) Ahem.
 
@Rubio On what level is --> == back intuitive (and that's genuine curiosity, not an attack)? It's further towards the end of the word, it's the standard forward direction for most UI navigation (eg browser)
 
It's moving toward the rear of the word. In the same sense that a word's "leader" is its first letter and (commonly) its "end" is its last.
 
Ok, so back as in towards the rear, not towards the place you came from... gotcha
 
English reads left to right, so while reading a word, temporally, moving ---this---> way moves backward in time
 
6:31 AM
...no it doesn't
 
er. later in time. sorry
so you encounter it last.
 
...right, so if you move it "back", you'd have to return it to the past (<---) :P
 
I think it works both ways. Backwards --> to the back of the word and <-- backwards in terms of reading direction or, as Rubio noted, of time.
 
It's just the ambiguity created between "moving towards the back" and "moving back towards the front". Like if you get on the bus, you can "Move back!" to get further down the bus, or "Go back!" to the front where you entered. Gotta love English.
 
(Although I find backwards meaning opposite to the reading direction more intuitive. And in my seat-pushing clue, I used back, not backwards.)
 
Sid
7:16 AM
I have a dumb one ready..
CCCC: Manages travels and costs (4)
 
7:32 AM
I hope that's not supposed to be VISA :)
 
8:01 AM
Seems like RUNS triple def, with the "costs" part apparently North American
 
nice!
 
I'mu up for a game
 
8:23 AM
o/
(exams are finished, yayyy)
 
lucky :)
Do we ping sid?
 
why sid?
 
For the 4c
 
8:45 AM
0
Q: Ropes & Clothes

Burak MeteIt's a sunny afternoon, and you want to hang your recently washed clothes(shirts, trousers, shorts etc). There are 2 identical trees in your yard,both having 10 cm diameters of bodies and they are 4 meters apart from each other, and you want to hang your clothes between them. You have infinite am...

 
oh, right
@Sphinx o_o wasn't a very similar question asked like, a couple of days ago?
 
Sid
9:05 AM
@Sp3000 Yes. At least that's what google told me. :)
 
 
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10:10 AM
Sorry, just got caught up in something
CCCC: Leak's potential source from bug essentially buried in feature (6)
 
 
4 hours later…
2:19 PM
to confirm, I did mean for UNTIED to be the def, with "forward" meaning the reading direction
 
mornin' ffao
 
o/
 
ooh, contact going on
 
 
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3:44 PM
-1
Q: Direction of wind

Mea Culpa NayOn a bright, sunny and day, in a small town, a large balloon was made floated (usually used for advertising/promotional purposes of brands/products)high in the air, tied with a rope on the ground. Look at a schematic picture below: In the afternoon, the balloon which can be seen from any poi...

 
3:58 PM
I... don't think this is a puzzle? But don't know how to flag it?
 
Yeah, I'm not sure it's a puzzle either. But I don't really understand what they're asking.
 
This user, man......
I've come to loathe seeing the Indian flag :(
 
Yeah...
 
4:02 PM
93 posts but not one of them with a higher score than 6...
 
@BeastlyGerbil Average is probably <0
 
@Deusovi if I've understood it, it's ... a puzzle, I guess. Not a good one.
 
They have a habit of posting things that are puzzling only in the sense of "Wait, what's the question here?"
 
Sid
Hmm... that is an odd "puzzle"
(Amusingly, Mea Culpa means Acknowledging a fault. The Nay probably means "Not" acknowledging a fault.)
@Beastly that should be your answer as to why you are being ignored. :P
 
@BeastlyGerbil they listened - they just decided that the issue of poor puzzle quality should be addressed by sandboxing instead of, oh I dunno, people voting on the puzzle when posted. Instead of, you know, taking responsibility themselves. I think@Sid nailed it. :)
 
4:09 PM
One says "courtesy internet" which is hardly revealing the source, so how to flag? I can't find it myself after a cursory search
 
Using this query - They have an average score of 1 per post. They are the 11th lowest scorer per post.
 
Interestingly, there is no clear current guidance on what to do with postings that clearly use someone else's content (so there's no question of misappropriation as the posters own work) but fails to give proper attribution. In a fairly technical sense this would violate various educational institutions' rules on plagiarism, even though it probably does not actually meet the definition of plagiarism per se. I sus
 
You sus? :P
 
... I suspect that given that, and the fact that SE's page on proper referencing indicates you should provide proper attribution, would be enough to flag for closure and deletion on those grounds alone, but we don't have official guidance saying that's ok.
 
I'm fairly sure that by SE's definition of plagiarism that would not apply as plagiarism
but I can't remember where I saw it
 
4:16 PM
who upvoted that question? O_o
 
Sid
Someone who obviously thought it was a "good" puzzle by their definitions of "good"
 
Someone who defines that as good needs to buy a dictionary....
 
Sid
@feelinferrety Not a pretty good advertisement of a country, I see. :)
 
but your advice on pondering more before posting to earn more rep seems misguided, @Beastly -- while the 11th lowest average score, Mea Culpa is #7 in terms of rep this quarter
 
4:19 PM
Then the community isn't downvoting enough :-).
 
it's that you need 5 downvotes to offset a single upvote
 
There isn't a definition of plagiarism from SE that I know of - that page is what there is. It says to give proper attribution. So if you don't, you did not "reference material written by others" correctly.
 
most posts even if garbage turn out with a positive score
so there's no incentive not to post crap
 
@ffao That just means they are spamming posts. They've been here for like 60 days but have over 90 posts!
 
and you can't argue that spamming posts seems to be working well so far. :)
 
4:21 PM
Except for the fact that people are beginning to get fed up...
Oooh... stacksfiller has overtaken Alconja as the person with the highest average score per post with 26 to alconja's 23.5
 
Working well if the objective is to accumulate rep score. Not working well if the objective is to actually accumulate a good reputation here.
@BeastlyGerbil ooohh!
 
I hope that provides an incentive for @alconja to make a new puzzle ;)
 
I think the main reason why MCN's rep is not too bad is that answers count for more than questions, a longstanding problem here which has other bad consequences (e.g., someone who's good at solving but never contributes any puzzles can accumulate a great deal of rep). Of course it makes sense on almost all SE sites, but not so much here. MCN posts answers as well as questions...
 
I wonder how much rep we would all get if everyone suddenly got +10 for a question upvote...
 
well, the problem is that this discussion is in a bit too generic terms, but that page (and the linked pages on meta) talk about "copying text that is not your own", so writing the same thing in your own words is not covered
 
4:28 PM
Gareth's rep would skyroc-- erm wait
 
lol :P
I wonder if I will live to see the day Gareth posts a question... :P
 
I could write a query given enough time, but I don't know what I'm doing off the bat. Could someone find the data for score from questions, or num down/upvotes vs. just overall average score?
 
ssshhhhh.... I think he posts questions from a sock. Actually, MCN might be his sock. //--(*how rumors get started*)
 
gareth's indian!? :P
 
I am not, as it happens, Indian, and my only socks are the ones I wear.
 
4:32 PM
It's a very convincing distraction away from himself. :)
 
But I do think that if the rep system here were better designed, I would either have a lot less rep or be posting questions as well as answers.
Or, of course, both.
 
well, here's the query for questions: data.stackexchange.com/puzzling/query/edit/719482
MCN actually has a positive average
 
I suppose this whole conversation is for nil if there's no prescribed method for stopping or removing a user who's ~technically~ following all the rules
 
@ffao there is only one person on site who has a negative avergae for posts
 
Shocker, in every query I explore, SFP is nearby MCN
She at least has the concept of a puzzle down, they just tend to be poorly executed, and in some cases appears to be making an effort
 
4:42 PM
What would you say a healthy average would be? 5/6?
 
MCN also has a crap-ton of answers, the majority of which are >= 0
 
you mean < ?
 
But 25% of their questions have been closed, with yet more leaving people scratching their heads on if/how to flag
@BeastlyGerbil No, greater than or equal to. Only the last page or so have negative scores.
Which is why their score is as high as it is
 
ah
1 isn't very high :P
 
I meant user score
 
4:45 PM
yeah I have no idea how they have so much rep
 
all the 1+ answers :\
do closed questions discount their scores, or does that continue to be calculated into rep?
 
think they are included
@rubio tbh I'm surprised you bothered answering that
 
closed count, deleted only counts if it is very old when deleted I think
 
I'm considering vtc as unclear what you are asking...
 
@GarethMcCaughan you should try to make a puzzle sometime. I'm kind of behind in my Clues series...
 
4:51 PM
Oh yeah, I have a partially made puzzle I need to finish
 
yeah you haven't posted one in ages @mith
@Sconibulus I somehow find myself constantly in that state :P
 
@BeastlyGerbil I've been busy with Lit, SFF, IPS, and Writers (meta writing challenges), along with IRL stuff. Plus puzzlers block
Oh, and probably too much time playing Contact ;P
 
haha :P
 
But Contact does increase your vocabulary. Except if you're @GarethMcCaughan.
 
I am the reason why Contact increases your vocabulary :-).
5
 
4:54 PM
its not possible to increase gareth's vocabulary. It would be like trying to teach a dictionary new words...
 
the problem with the Clues series is that after dcfyj posted all of the answers now it's just an exercise in backsolving :P
 
@Sp3000 FA(U)CET
 
nice....
 
Bug essentially buried = U ?
 
bug essentially => remove both ends of "bug"?
 
5:02 PM
CCCC: Intro to Literature test about "The Shore" (8)
 
bug's essentials are its middle? (dubious)
 
yep, bug essentially is the center of bug
the container indicator being "buried in"
 
i was just typing what ffao just expressed better
 
But, "essentials" is plural :P
 
The clue says "essentially"
 
5:05 PM
oh, right
that's even more cryptic
 
@BeastlyGerbil New words are introduced to dictionaries all the time.
 
Since I'm still fairly new and need cheatsheets to confirm, isn't "essentially buried in" a double indicator for the same thing?
 
Essentially -> at the core -> middle
And then buried means putting the U inside the feature (facet)
So no, not a double indicator at all
 
@feelinferrety ((bug essentially = U) buried in (feature=FACET)) -> U in FACET
 
facepalm, binge-watch, abandonware, listicle, NSFW, conlang, and a ton of other things were added this year - and that's just February
 
5:08 PM
M-W is descriptive. I ignore M-W. I already know how people talk. I want to know what I can shout at them for.
 
Dictionaries are supposed to be descriptive!
 
Wow. Abandonware has been around for a long time. I am glad to see it's finally an Offical Word(TM)
 
it took them so long to add facepalm
 
You can shout at people for whatever you want. You don't need justification to shout at people.
 
Good to know :-D
 
5:10 PM
Especially for those who embody the Grumpy Old Man™ stereotype
(like myself)
 
If dictionaries confined themselves to what words are Supposed To Mean instead of how people use them, we'd still use "without" to mean "outside of" much more than "not having". Instead of the former usage now being labeled archaic and, perhaps, relegated to cruciverbalist usage.
 
"Truly" and "really" would be the same as "literally" is today.
 
I vote to restore "truly" to its former glory
 
and "very"
 
Oh right, "very" too. (I knew I was forgetting one.)
 
5:13 PM
I'm literally going to kill the next person who misuses ... er nvm.
 
O_o
 
(it's a joke about "misusing" the word "literally")
 
I know :-)
 
I hate hate hate it. But I hate flipped its/it's and they're/their more
 
u/ur are even worse
 
5:15 PM
tho a certain amount of spelling and missing punctuation is excusable in text & chat
 
Yeah, I usually don't like it either. But only time will tell whether it becomes standard.
 
But then it will be too late to fix the issue
 
That was literally the most recent thing Rubio said in the chat
 
We must QUASH IT! Else it will -literally- be its own opposite
 
Issue? What, people communicating messages t each other?
 
5:16 PM
Theirs more to life then obsessing about peoples' misusage of English and it's veryous features and "foibles".
 
no, ppl communicating msgs 2 each othr.
@Rubio :-(
 
@Rubio You are literally going to give me an aneurysm
 
... typing that was exceptionally painful.
 
@feelinferrety Yeah! And there aren't any words like that! ...except OVERLOOK, CLEAVE, BUCKLE, CLIP, RENT...
 
What if we all started saying "metaphorically" when tempted to say "literally"? Would it catch on?
 
5:17 PM
@Rubio Reading it was exceptionally painful too.
 
@Deusovi I'm aware of the concept existing and would like very much not to add to the list
 
We must decimate the dictionary. In the literal sense, that is - remove 10% of it.
 
That's probably far too lenient. But it's a good start.
 
We could decimate it recursively
 
Or decimate it ten times
...Wait, that's not how it works
 
5:19 PM
words that seem like opposites but aren't are pretty interesting too
 
Yeah, that seems about right
 
Let's all just start using Newspeak
 
more good thought: no words with more than one speech beat from now on
2
 
but when did news have a peak?
Yay, I made it to the one-beat mark!
 
@Deusovi that was a quite good post
and i like your thought
 
5:20 PM
thought is plus good, will make hands do so in non past
 
yeah! that way all words are not hard to know!
we might not need the space bar too, but I still like it for now
 
scon's post makes me laugh
 
We should all talk like this for now
 
i would add my vote to that
 
5:21 PM
This makes me grin
 
for a time up to when the one who knows all the words comes back
 
you know now we must use short names for all
 
no names
 
mod D shall now be known as Eggs
 
"god of eggs" fits.
 
5:21 PM
"names" is an old thought
 
hard to make mind fog in friends when words are short and have pith
 
what is a pith?
 
pff. "have pith"
 
Pith goes on your head, to keep out light from the sun
 
scon makes me look dumb to others in my area with laughs
 
5:22 PM
oh, it's the skin of fruits
 
@MikeQ shall we use nums, then?
 
@JohnDvorak add the glyph Y to the end to see the "real" word
 
oh
oh boy. I need more beer with gin.
 
@feelinferrety Not all yes, save for god of eggs
 
this is quite the chat we have right now, it is so much fun
 
5:24 PM
I think this chat will look quite strange to those who come to it some time from now and do not know why we talk this way
 
That is so true, yes.
 
@Sconibulus now I want to write a word link grid where all clues are like this
 
I love how all us here jumped right on the ship that God of Eggs has sailed.
 
But a mod may need to change the name of the room to fit our new way of speech
 
@MikeQ "The Lair of the Sphinx" would work fine.
 
5:24 PM
We need a code names mod like this!
 
Of course they may just think we are all out of our gourds - and they may be right, at that!
 
Lair of the Sphinx (my link strength to the world wide web is slow)
 
You guys I cry with such laughs I love this so much
 
ban all who speak the old way, and tell them not why!
 
I think that I shall be known as "the Dog"
 
5:26 PM
@Rubio They would be right if we had not done this "one-beat word" thing..
 
"Dog of Coke"
 
At least, I think so.
 
Snake Cat Mind is near death! Ware chat friends!
 
I think "coke can" is more good
 
Ha! I have a head start on a name. It does not need to be changed.
 
5:26 PM
Ah, Diet Coke With Lime Dog might work as well
 
@Rubio word two there is two beats
SHAME
 
I can not change my name for one more month, though
 
SHAME
 
Oh. Hmm.
 
Light
 
5:27 PM
Boo hiss! Shun the one who speaks two word beats!
 
Shunnnn
 
I beg you to look past my sins.
 
I must lunch but do not deign to leave such fun to all but me.
 
Sid
What on earth is going on here?
 
Have your lunch, my friend - the fun will still be here for you when you come back.
 
5:28 PM
@Sid SHUNNNN
 
9 mins ago, by Deusovi
more good thought: no words with more than one speech beat from now on
 
Sid
What is one speech beat?
 
it is just what you failed to do
 
@Sid The way you wrote those words that ask for a thing is good
 
@Sid use of words that have but one beat and none else
 
5:29 PM
@JohnDvorak but the most new asked thing was good
 
@Deusovi I saw what you did there
 
yes
 
@MikeQ you did not see a thing
 
@feelinferrety Food is good for brain, slows mind fog spread, gives fuel to keep sane in odd times
 
@Mods can we has room for all time chat like this?
 
5:31 PM
I think you are in it. :)
 
this won't last, though I wish it did
 
boo hiss, those who do not know may yet change the way we speak.
 
Sid
Has everyone been humnified?
 
sid makes a good point, that is how it looks
 
and yet he is too wrong
 
5:32 PM
So then - should we add a new room named The Lair of the Sphinx, to vex those who come to it and do not know what it is for?
 
I must say that you are right
 
This is too much. I should leave soon, else my peers at work will see me laugh and they will speak harsh words at me.
 
yes, Dog, that sounds quite nice
@MikeQ best at you and not your boss
 
I tend to share this mode of thought.
 
God of Eggs has done well this day
 
5:33 PM
I shall soon make it so.
 
I will leave now. I hope to come back at a time far from now, and come to the lair of the sphinx.
 
@deusovi Did you know that you would change the globe with your thought when you woke?
@MikeQ I wish the same. Fare thee well for now.
 
The best part of this - we got rid of the L word at last, no more bad use!
 
@JohnDvorak I must say I know not of what you speak
It may be that I do but do not know it
 
what?
 
5:35 PM
@feelinferrety the word X that means "not X" in new speech
it took the path of "real" and "true" in changed forms
 
oh the one we spoke of in short time past
 
fun thought born, can it be done it time...
 
scon did see what they had wrought and sought to fix it
 
6:08 PM
Dog has been bad in a way that makes me laugh, in what he said when he had made a new clue. I don't know if he knew that he did it. I think he did. But I can not say why since the words that made me laugh (one from the clue, one from what Dog said) have more than one beat.
 
Join the room sir mod
 
But I have to go now and I bet the one who posts the word from the clue will not be me, since right now I can not do it -- four beats is more than I can use.
 
Links with more than one beat should be banned too
 
Ha ha. So can I use words of more than one beat here now?
 
6:09 PM
no
 
Yeah, lol, you definitely luxuriously will
 
So yeah, I think we have sent the New Speak to the new room, so all words are safe to use here now. :)
 
Sid
Everyone has now been dehumnified.
 
All right. The word from the clue means "about the shore". It is made up of one part that is short for texts, one part that in fact I am not sure I get (I thought it was from "test" but no -- I'd need that twice), and one part that means a kind of test.
Oh, all right, I'll stop.
I think the answer is LITTORAL, but I don't understand where the second T comes from.
(littoral = about the shore)
Anyway, I do genuinely need to go now; perhaps I'm all wrong and someone will have found a better answer by the time I'm back.
 
I found "t" for "the" on the reputable cryptics abbreviations list. So I used it. I am not convinced, but I knew if someone got far enough for it to matter, it wouldn't matter.
 
Sid
6:13 PM
....The=t?
 
Littoral is also just a noun, meaning the shore or the region around it
So it's "lit oral" around "t"he, with shore as def.
 
@GarethMcCaughan Drat! I thought about "litoral", but thought that id had only one t.
 
Sid
@MOehm That is why you want to always check google
 
(Littorally just one T, of course.)
 
I first thought about making a homophone clue around "literal". And the conversation about the word "literally" that started in here shortly after I set that made me, well, literally laugh out loud.
 
6:17 PM
@Sid Well, I usually check dictionaries. Quite often, even, because I'm usually unsure about nuances of the meaning of words.
@Rubio I hope the clue was going to be homophone rather than homophobe.
 
Lol. Auto cucumber. That's funny
 
I knew the word from Spanish, where it has only one t. (Littoral, that is.)
 
Fixed :)
 
Phew! Reads much nicer now.
 
@Rubio yeah, my autocucumber actually does know autocucumber by now
 
6:23 PM
I'm not surprised :)
 
These phones! Where do they pick up all those words?
 
Sid
@MOehm Smart Phones. :P
 
6:45 PM
I did not expect littoral to also be an English word
 
Sid
7:01 PM
@Gareth C4 for you?
 
those four words filled me with dread, for some reason.
 
7:54 PM
Gareth + C4? Yeah, that would do it
 
8:53 PM
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Q: Short riddle, inspired by a word #2

Paige MeinkeNot an ocean nor the sun, Something you are when you've just begun. Don't eat me as I am even though you can. A party that few seeks, be careful of the freaks. Shares shade with a viper And though woods hold a tiger, In a desert you’d oft not see. Can you guess what word inspired me? This one...

 
9:32 PM
CCCC: I'm sorry, girl is in jail (8)
 
 
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10:46 PM
IMPRISON seems so close...
 
@BeastlyGerbil Yikes! Can't have that now, can we... Back to work for me (though if you only look at questions, I'm doing ok).
...although... downvoting a bunch of stacksfiller's posts might be a quicker solution to this little problem...
 
I'm not sure, finding a post by stacksfiller worthy of a downvote seems like a harder task
 
I didn't say it had to be worthy of downvoting... :P
 

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