Root Access

djsmiley2k

13:02

indeed

'a power surge'

lul

Burgi

has goggle gone completely mad?

Oliver Salzburg

I'm seeing an EU lawsuit in the near future

And I have a feeling most unacceptable ads are coming from competing advertisement companies

satibel

@OliverSalzburg adwords are generally nicely behaving, so they have a big incentive.

Oliver Salzburg

The point about ad blocking is that I decide. That's why I'm also not using crap like ABP

So I don't really care either way. I just fear that ad blocking is soon so common that advertisers will resort to worse measures

Something bad will happen

Not Dog

@djsmiley2k Ooh what phone

Boris_yo

13:12

Bluetooth speaker market is saturated...

But there is one speaker type that I don't know exists.

Does it? Speaker that you attach to yourself and run with so you can show off.

Anyone knows if such exists?

Rahul2001

@Boris_yo wha?

Basically, carrying a bluetooth speaker in a backpack?

Boris_yo

@Rahul2001 Take any portable speaker and attach it to your arm. Sounds trendy

?

Rahul2001

Also sounds inconvenient and bothersome

Boris_yo

I don't know if backpack since it sounds bulky. My idea was to attach it to arm or leg,

Rahul2001

I mean, if someone pissed me off too much by playing loud and obnoxious music in public, I am likely to not be very kind to them

Boris_yo

13:15

They are lightweight. Take JBL+ portable speaker. It's very small with good sound.

@Rahul2001 But this will be a moving listener. Always on the run, hence for fitness.

Rahul2001

> It also comes with a bungee cord for you to attach it to your arm or boat, and a ...

djsmiley2k

@NotDog Moto G5

if it's rubbish 'll be blaming @Burgi :D

Rahul2001

source

@djsmiley2k OMG SO LUCKY DAMN YOU

Boris_yo

Carabiner would make it wiggle... How about armband for speaker?

Not Dog

@djsmiley2k Ah, nice

Burgi

13:17

sellotape it to your chest

Rahul2001

@Boris_yo wisort.en.alibaba.com/product/60455325579-214129467/…!

@Boris_yo jambanz.com

-_-

Boris_yo

@Rahul2001 Something like that but bigger, more reliable and better quality speaker (360 degree sound?). Anyone from leading brands does this?

JBL Flip + arm or leg band...

Burgi

why do you want one?

so you can annoy everyone else with your music?

Rahul2001

7 mins ago, by Rahul2001

I mean, if someone pissed me off too much by playing loud and obnoxious music in public, I am likely to not be very kind to them

Boris_yo

Runner that is passing by will not annoy anyone. Rather kids listening for hours next to you us what would be annoying. Mobile vs. stationary.

Space is competitive and evolving at a fase pace. Will go to KickStarter to get funding and kick off the project. Manufacture in China and be first to sell in US.

Rahul2001

13:23

Uhm, That escalated quickly. Best of luck, I guess

Not Dog

Fuck off

Rahul2001

@Boris_yo AND WE GET THEM FOR FREE

Boris_yo

@Rahul2001 Is that your condition?

Rahul2001

@NotDog lol, which site?

Not Dog

@Rahul2001 Ubisoft forums

Rahul2001

13:24

@Boris_yo C'mon, we're you ~~totally insignificant internet~~ friends!

Not Dog

Oddly enough also blocks ubisoft launcher and stops my locally installed games from launching because "Cannot activate" bullshit

Rahul2001

@NotDog list of free online proxys: duckduckgo.com/…

Not Dog

Good job I have my own VPN set up ready to go but still.

Boris_yo

@Rahul2001 Have some stake in a project. Are you expecting me to do all of the work?

Not Dog

@Rahul2001 Won't work for Ubisoft game launcher

Rahul2001

13:26

@Boris_yo Oh, you're willing to give me some?

Sure!

Not Dog

I really should have requested a refund for this pile of crap game when I had a chance

Boris_yo

How something can be easily said, yet takes time, energy and efforts to accomplish...

Rahul2001

@NotDog tru dat

Boris_yo

I don't feel a smell of seriousity here...

Rahul2001

omg i just used teen internet slang kill me

@Boris_yo Hm, uh

email!

code at rahul dot tech

Burgi

13:27

@NotDog are you still in a hostel?

Not Dog

@Burgi Yes

djsmiley2k

@NotDog is it!!"??

it was £165.........

Not Dog

@djsmiley2k Yes

djsmiley2k

awesome

3gB RAM T0OO

Not Dog

It's cheap and basic but very good value for money

Journeyman Geek

13:33

@Rahul2001 /k @Rahul2001

Not Dog

Midrange/high-end smartphone specs for half the price

Burgi

SEE!!!

i told you

Rahul2001

YES I WISH MY MUM AGREED TO BUY ME ONE

Not Dog

What, a girlfriend?

Rahul2001

Honestly, the third gen turbo which I have isn't bad at all

@NotDog Nah, I have access to plenty of those.

Burgi

13:34

i have the G3 version

no turbo

Rahul2001

Plus, I'm enjoying the break

@Bob DUDE

Burgi

seen it...

Rahul2001

lol

Bob

lol... whoops

Burgi

snap

Bob

13:36

still got time to delete!

Not Dog

What's with all the (removed)

Rahul2001

@NotDog They were all the same image

Look at star wall --->

Not Dog

3

Hahahahaha

Burgi

...

flagged

Not Dog

##flagged

I Am A Bot

13:40

Burgi

some of my best work :)

Oliver Salzburg

Why doesn't it use a picture of a flagpost?

Oliver Salzburg

14:22

How do you demote a DC without removing DS services?

Let's try some weird stuff...

Okay, setting up a DC on AWS (and joining it to on-prem) is a pain

allquixotic

room topic changed to Root Access: For all you Americans out there. 🇺🇸 You have backups, right? Current topics: ██████████ [computers] [redacted]

Not Dog

14:37

Urgh 4th July

That'll be why all the stock exchanges are closed

allquixotic

interesting - the emoji for the American flag is on mobile, but not FF or Chrome on Windows

Safari on macOS has it, Edge and IE don't

Burgi

@allquixotic i was wondering why it had "us" in the top

Bob

@allquixotic emojipedia.org/flag-for-united-states

@allquixotic Welp. Guess I'm not allowed on chat anymore :(

satibel

@allquixotic I have it. 🇺🇸

looks like a country ball.

BTW, I'm tired, if you don't have the emoji there you don't see it here either.

Not Dog

##caaaaaaaaat

I Am A Bot

14:51

user226528

@allquixotic Must be a problem on your end, because I have it.

satibel

cat /etc/passwd

djsmiley2k

turning my phone on

haha it says helo moto

STarting Apps

need screen protector and case now

user226528

@allquixotic Actually, having Windows 8 or later is a requirement for colored fonts like emoji, but when you say Edge, you are indicating that you are on Windows 10. Like I said, a problem on your end.

djsmiley2k

reccomendations welcome

user226528

15:00

Edge is one of the most underfeatured browsers I know.

Avery

^

djsmiley2k

@satibel doesn't render here]

Chrome on Linux

satibel

renders in B&W on chromium, color on FF

depends on the fonts you have, I have the noto fonts, which should cover all unicode.

but are actually buggy.

user226528

##help

I Am A Bot

@FleetCommand Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

user226528

15:08

##info

I Am A Bot

@FleetCommand I awoke on Mon, 03 Jul 2017 16:40:59 GMT (that's about 22 hours ago), got invoked 10 times

Bob

@FleetCommand Only if you use built-in fonts. Firefox ships EmojiOne on Win7.

Andy K

c u guys

Not Dog

@Bob how's the weather in Aus these days?

Rahul2001

@allquixotic it isn't a single emoji

Bob

15:21

@NotDog pretty cold, a bit rainly

@Rahul2001 yes it is

Rahul2001

Flags use combiners or whatever

Bob

it's a single emoji, it's a single glyph (in some fonts?), it's multiple codepoints

Not Dog

@Bob Define "cold"

Rahul2001

@Bob eh, it's a combination of two characters, iirc

Ah right

Not Dog

Since last time I was there they called 18'c "Cold to very cold"

Bob

15:22

@NotDog around 10 deg in the early morning

"Feels like" down to 0 at times

warmer night tonight, though... 13

user226528

18°C isn't very cold.

Not Dog

Oh

user226528

But of course, it all depends on personal interpretations.

user226528

For example, in the polar regions, inside those Igloos, the temperature is 20°C.

user226528

And since all that is around you is ice, it feels much colder than 20°C in a city.

allquixotic

15:30

@FleetCommand yes, I'm on Windows 10 Creators Update, and I've never (knowingly) dicked around with fonts on my system, but none of my browsers seem to be able to render the American flag emoji or most others

could be a program I installed somehow convinced Chrome to ship/use a broken/bad font

Office, maybe?

Burgi

TEN DEGREES!!!!

thats factor 50 weather here

user226528

@allquixotic It is not just you. I've lost the ability to render U.S. flag as well. Something nefarious is going on here.

user226528

emojipedia.org/flag-for-united-states

allquixotic

the font stack specified by chat.SE is Verdana,Arial,sans-serif

if your system has Verdana, it'll use Verdana - and I don't think that font has emoji, it's quite old (ships with MS Office?)

user226528

🇺🇸

Bob

15:38

@allquixotic Emoji uses font fallbacks

allquixotic

I suppose you could fall back to Arial Unicode MS or something (which is supposed to have most/all Unicode characters) if you didn't have Verdana

Bob

In fact almost everything uses fallbacks.

allquixotic

@Bob meaning?

Bob

In Win10 you'd want Segoe UI Emoji

In Win8 it's Segoe UI Symbol

allquixotic

well it's using Verdana for the us non-emoji for the US flag here

Bob

15:39

@allquixotic The browser/OS will find a font (in Windows, they're defined in the registry IIRC)

@allquixotic That's because it can't find a suitable font.

57 mins ago, by Bob

@allquixotic http://emojipedia.org/flag-for-united-states/

You'll notice Microsoft isn't in that list.

That's because Microsoft does not ship a US flag glyph

As I said earlier - because Firefox on Win7 uses EmojiOne, you'll see it there.

@allquixotic look at font fallback and font linking: msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/globalization/mt662331

though the implementation is application-specific

allquixotic

github.com/googlei18n/noto-emoji/releases

Bob

> Microsoft makes an effort ensure consistency across its application and products and includes an API (since Windows 8) to provide preferred font fallback recommendations to applications.

Modern browsers generally do use that API.

allquixotic

Word 2016 with Noto Emoji font

maybe now if I restart Chrome...

nope, I installed the font into Windows but Chrome doesn't pick it up after a restart... unless it didn't truly restart

Bob

\o/ my VMs migrated fine

and they're so much faster on Xeon-D and SSDs than Avoton and a HDD :P

allquixotic

Chrome has a tendency to hang around after closing windows for a little bit

Bob

15:46

though I think it was more the HDD than the Atom CPU slowing it down...

allquixotic

ok, made sure all Chrome windows were closed and it still doesn't find the Noto font... weird

Bob

@allquixotic Unless you specifically register it as a fallback font, most applications won't use it.

There is a Windows installer now for the EmojiOne Color font v1.3+ which merge with existing fonts so all characters work. — eosrei Oct 3 '16 at 3:27

Rahul2001

-_-

Bob

@allquixotic you can see what it does here: github.com/eosrei/emojione-color-font/blob/master/windows/…

Rahul2001

@Bob THAT IS BATCH \o/

Bob

15:48

@Rahul2001 no.

do not go there.

Rahul2001

haha, I'm kidding

@Bob check these out though: github.com/rahuldottech?tab=repositories

No, like seriously

Burgi

whats all this american nonsense today? they wouldn't have all this current trouble if they hadn't thrown tea in the harbour

Rahul2001

@Bob especially github.com/rahuldottech/percent-decoder

Bob

!!no

Add-Type -AssemblyName System.Web
[System.Web.HttpUtility]::UrlDecode("%3F")

Rahul2001

@Bob those were the only ones I required

Bob

16:01

@Rahul2001 Also, FYI, you miss like half the possible characters...

@Rahul2001 You're not spec-compliant.

e.g. %7E is a perfectly valid encoded value, even though it doesn't have to be encoded.

(see also: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.4)

more accurately, you should be accepting any pair of hex-encoded octet and decoding it: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.1

It's annoying when people introduce non-compliant software, because inevitably someone else is going to have to introduce funny hacks to work around it.

<== just spent another day fixing browser-compat bugs

allquixotic

heh, the scary part is someone could google, find that, and try to use it

Bob

It probably works as a quick hack.

But then the quick hack becomes a legacy system. And grows.

5 years later...

Burgi

Bob

(Personally, I'd at the very least include a warning that it's an incomplete implementation...) [cc @Rahul2001]

Burgi

do you think this is too complex for management to understand?

Bob

16:06

@Burgi probably. I don't understand what it's trying to say.

Rahul2001

@Bob I'm completing it :)

And yes, I will

@Bob Hm, not sure if I completely understand that

Burgi

@Bob i'm trying to find a visual way to show the difference between the types of server we have

Bob

@Rahul2001 There are 128 possible %xx values. In theory, every one of them should be decoded.

allquixotic

@Burgi I have no idea what that's intended to represent

virtual Windows and Linux servers have a transparent case?

Burgi

yes

allquixotic

16:08

come on, star that, that was funny

4

Bob

Even though they don't have to be encoded, e.g. A is perfectly valid but you have to decode %41 anyway in case someone decides to encode it that way.

Rahul2001

@allquixotic hahahahahahaaaa. No

@Bob Yep, okay, got it

Burgi

or is it irrelevant to distinguish the type and i should just indicate the OS?

Bob

@Rahul2001 also, you might find this interesting: helloacm.com/… (though it includes printable characters only) (it probably won't fit in what you're doing, but it's still an interesting script to read through)

allquixotic

@Burgi what's your point? what message are you trying to convey?

management doesn't care about technical details like virtualized vs. non-virtualized, probably; they just care about what impact it has on the business and what decision you need them to make

does it cost money? does it save money? does it add or alleviate risks to the business?
how and why?

Rahul2001

16:11

@Bob thanks, it is cool :)

Bob

@Burgi I... looking at the picture, it tells me nothing about them.

Burgi

i want to make a map of the servers we have and what site is hosted on it and that we need to bin the windows servers because they are 2-3 times more expensive

allquixotic

@Burgi Then say that -- the map of the servers wouldn't even be necessary, IMO, unless the management would know the names of the sites and what they represent (like this one is a big customer / internal site of importance, etc.)

Bob

more typical would be to use a Windows symbol for Windows, and a penguin for Linux, if you're looking at representing OSes

physical would be a box, virtual would be ... idk

allquixotic

basically "We need to bin the windows servers because they are 2-3 times more expensive" just as a sentence on the screen, that you read to them, maybe two or three times, would be enough to get management to act

Rahul2001

16:14

@Bob the penguin is called Tux.

allquixotic

don't even think about virtualized vs. physical, just have 3 slides on your presentation that say "X is 2-3 times more expensive than what we could be doing" in slightly different contexts

eventually they'll cave and want to save that money and say "How do we switch?" and you need to have a plan to tell them how you can migrate those servers to Linux

Bob

@allquixotic I would hope the decision isn't made purely on that sentence, but that's probably hoping for too much.

allquixotic

and that plan has to be inexpensive and quick

Bob

(For a proper analysis, you'd also have to factor in the cost of switching, potential software incompatibilities, etc., etc.)

allquixotic

@Bob that's for Burgi to do on the back of an envelope at his desk, and then "polish the turd" to make it seem like switching to Linux is free and instantaneous to the management, omitting, white lie style, that the transition might not be 100% seamless

Bob

16:16

god help you if you depend on anything AD and want to reimplement that on Linux

allquixotic

if you want to convince management of anything you have to make it seem like an obvious choice with no downsides

Bob

@allquixotic maybe I'm lucky in having managers that actually like to make informed decisions

Burgi

we would need to keep one windows server as we have stupid umbraco sites to maintain

the other two can go

Bob

@Burgi which has now become "we need to keep X number of them for redundancy"

Burgi

host all 3 websites on the single box

allquixotic

16:17

@Bob you are; my management gets interested in drilling down to ridiculous detail on completely meaningless topics, like who ran the most test scripts over the past year, while saying "my eyes go buggy" in reference to a simple graphic trying to explain a simple concept

Bob

@Burgi which creates a single point of failure

then you have to consider the chances of failure, potential losses (SLAs, unhappy customers, etc.)

it's not a simple "less servers => less $$$"

though that is typical management thinking

Burgi

but that server is virtual and has a perma-ready failover

and we can scale the virtual boxes should the traffic increase

Bob

I'm just pointing out things to think about :P

Burgi

you are making good points though

Bob

@allquixotic there is a balancing act between going into too much detail and not enough, tbf

allquixotic

16:24

@Bob IMO you have to know your audience and that's what matters most

Burgi

i work in a "creative agency" so i was kind of hoping the pretty colours of a visio diagram might convince them to back my plan

allquixotic

if you know they're a blithering idiot who can't understand simple concepts, you have to make pretty pictures and every sentence you say has to contain no more than 4 words from an 8th grade vocabulary

Bob

@Burgi didn't Visio have symbols for Win/Lin?

allquixotic

if you know they're very technically inclined and capable of understanding your fully-formed argument, then make the fully formed argument

Burgi

@Bob not in the standard set

Bob

16:25

ah

it's been... 5 years? since I last had access to Visio :P

allquixotic

I'm in a good place right now when it comes to MSFT licenses at work

I have an MSDN Enterprise license -- basically all Microsoft software

Bob

@allquixotic eh. cost of switching, projected costs over 6 months, 1yr, 5 yrs

done

well, if you want to focus on the $$$ and keep it simple as possible...

@allquixotic Professional + Office & VSEnt, iirc?

oh, and + test tools

allquixotic

@Bob yeah, VS Enterprise, all of Office, Visio, Test Professional, Windows Server and SQL Server licenses

Burgi

if the pound continues its drop against the dollar and euro i think MS will increase their license costs again

Bob

@allquixotic Windows Server and SQL Server are available on Pro as well

allquixotic

16:27

@Burgi maybe if you're going to make a "server map", put a little approximate dollar figure (on a monthly or yearly basis, as you know) next to each server, and put the Windows ones in a bold red font

Bob

I'm assuming Ent has the same dev/test conditions

Rahul2001

@Burgi Blame brexit!

Burgi

@Rahul2001 yes that is the reason

Bob

actually, @Burgi, I'm curious what makes the Windows ones cost more for you?

especially if it's many times more

Burgi

licensing

Bob

16:28

SA?

Not Dog

@Bob :-D

Burgi

@Bob SA?

Bob

@Burgi which is a one-off. unless you're constantly buying more CALs or something

@Burgi Software Assurance. subscription thingo for upgrades etc, but you probably don't have that with only 3 servers

Burgi

@Bob these are hosted servers

Bob

@Burgi ah.

when you mentioned physical I thought you meant local

though, even hosted, I usually only see 1.5x more at the lower end

as the hardware gets beefier the proportion for Windows licensing shrinks, IIRC

Burgi

16:29

ah yes no, we pay for bare metal boxes in a data centre

Bob

at 2-3x more you're getting ripped off :P

Burgi

we also pay for management so i can be a dev and not an IT person

Bob

-2

Q: virtualbox INT18 BIIT FALIURE

I am trying to get virtualbox to boot from a second VDI but whenever I do I get a stupid fucking shitty lil error MAKE IT GO AWAY. I've tried making a new VM completley but ALL I GET IT INT 18 BOOT FAILIURE INT 18 BOOT FAILIURE INT 18 BOOT FAILIURe YOURE A FAILIURE!!! all it says on google ...

someone's unhappy

@Burgi is that a per server fee?

Burgi

> Morning @Burgi

This ticket has been raised on your account as one or more of your services are using a Microsoft licence.

Due to the decreasing strength of the Pound (£) against the US Dollar ($) we're seeing an increase in licensing costs being passed along the supply chain as of the 1st January 2017.
This means they'll be a 15% increase in your monthly costs for the licencing [sic] component of your services only, all other prices will remain unchanged.

Please note that this pricing changes to your service will take effect from 1st February 2017.

@Bob yes

Bob

ow

allquixotic

16:35

@Bob gems.SE?

FRANCIS RAGE COMPILATION - BEST OF FRANCIS RAGES!

►

Burgi

the managed linux boxes provided by the same company are roughly about £80/mth. our cheapest windows box is costing roughly £350

tereško

because you can manage the linux boxes using CLI scripts

also, it's probably easier to assess skills of and hire good linux admins, than good windows admins

Bob

@tereško ...which you can do with Windows too. heck, at this point, more server configs require PS than can be done with MMC.

bwDraco

Can NVIDIA Fermi do DX12?

Bob

*shrug* I still think you're getting ripped off, but managed servers were never particularly cheap, and I've not been interested in them in the slightest

bwDraco

16:43

roar

tereško

@Bob which, again, is a bit rarer skill

@bwDraco it's kinda related to the fact, that Nvidia still has no HW solution for parallel processing :P

That REDACTED Guy

Asking Good Questions by Dan Abramov

@allquixotic No, they have white cases. Duh.

DavidPostill

@Burgi Is this part of some strange IQ test?

Burgi

@Bob if my team was larger i'd probably have a dedicated devops guy to handle all that but currently its just me and i have no interest or time to do server management so we pay for the management

@DavidPostill no i was trying to show information and wanted opions on it

anyway, home time

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