English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:18 AM

@terdon The normal to which you don't go out of your way to stress, as opposed to the strong to, which you consciously put extra emphasis on:

> Don't blame me! I got herpes from you. I didn't give it to you.

This goes for many other words as well. You have strong and weak forms for a, the, have, was, and a couple dozen other ones, I guess.

Færd

12:31 AM

@sumelic You raise interesting points. I thought sometimes weak to had a tinge of o in it though. For some people when they say go to, their lips slacken and their shape changes midway, giving a proper schwa sound to the second word, while for some others the lips remain rounded and tightened all the way through, giving a shade of o to the vowel in to.

I'm going out on a limb here. You're the phonologist native speaker and I'm just conjecturing at best.

sumelic

2:30 AM

@Færd Oh, I'm not a real phonologist, just an interested amateur. I think you are right that "to" can have a bit of rounding even when unstressed; however, I would be inclined to identify the vowel not with "o" (which I think of as /oʊ/) but with /uː/ or /ʊ/. Perhaps that's what you meant though. It's hard for me to tell because I feel that the vowel space covered by my [ə] tends to overlap my [ʊ] anyway.

Abhishekstudent

7:03 AM

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Q: Why do Americans use 'them' in awkward sentence?

So, I am not a native English speaker. I am from India and some of the sentences that I hear from certain movies leaves me dumbfounded. So, the other day I was watching Suicide Squad and I heard Will Smith say "So, you one of them deaf hoes?". Now, what the hell does that suppose to mean? Let me ...

RegDwigнt

8:54 AM

terdon

@Færd I see, thanks.

Færd

11:03 AM

@sumelic Yeah, that's what I meant by o. Thanks.

Matt E. Эллен

11:45 AM

@RegDwigнt they look embarrassed. like they didn't thin it through.

terdon

11:55 AM

@MattE.Эллен Looks like they absolutely did thin it though :P

Matt E. Эллен

:fist shake emoji:

✊

Just win baby

thin or thick?

Matt E. Эллен

thick, with a twist

Just win baby

They call them twisters down south.

or we could twist and shout

quick sand is thick sand

so quick sand where you twist and shout as you go down

RegDwigнt

12:24 PM

Looks like the British streets are in total disarray because absolutely nobody thought absolutely anything, through or not. #Brexit

Just win baby

Soon #Franexit then #Caliexit

Meanwhile ISIS is posting soldiers getting executed on the net

-_-

Did you see that post in the bio room? @terdon soooooooo disturbing

Mitch

12:43 PM

@terdon +1

@RegDwigнt That's gutter talk

terdon

@Justwinbaby I didn't see the video, no. I saw the post in the room and went to the article linked but had absolutely no desire to see the video.

Just win baby

Neither did I. But just reading the description made my stomach turn.

Mitch

Can we change the subject? Strawberries. Rainbows. Best friends.

Just win baby

Sorry pal.

Mitch

Shoes with sparkles. Shoes with buckles.

Shoes with sparkled buckles.

And if those buckles are made by a Chacagoan labor writer, they'd be...

Shoes with Terkels' sparkled buckles

and if you fill them with molasses then they'd be....

Shoes with Terkels' sparkled buckles trickling treacle

Just win baby

12:51 PM

Did you know F.R.I.E.N.D.S. does not stand for anything?

Mitch

But F.U.N. stands for

Just win baby

I mean the TV series.

terdon

@Justwinbaby It was never F.R.I.E.N.D.S., it's F•R•I•E•N•D•S.

Mitch

F is for Friends who do things together
U is for You and me
N is for anything at anytime at all

@Justwinbaby Freinds? Pfft. and I mean that to sting

Just win baby

Thanks @terdon now it makes more sense.

terdon

12:53 PM

Thank Wikipedia :)

Friends

Friends (stylized as F•R•I•E•N•D•S) is an American television sitcom, created by David Crane and Marta Kauffman, which aired on NBC from September 22, 1994, to May 6, 2004, lasting ten seasons. With an ensemble cast starring Jennifer Aniston, Courteney Cox, Lisa Kudrow, Matt LeBlanc, Matthew Perry and David Schwimmer, the show revolves around six 20-30 something friends living in Manhattan. The series was produced by Bright/Kauffman/Crane Productions, in association with Warner Bros. Television. The original executive producers were Kevin S. Bright, Marta Kauffman, and David Crane. Kauffman and...

Mitch

Wait...

Just win baby

Stylized.

Mitch

F is for Fire that burns down the whole town
U is for Uranium bombs
N is for No survivors

@Justwinbaby like a light scarf draped around the neck

pulled tighter and tighter so that you can't get a finger underneath

Just win baby

Oookaay

Mitch

with the subtle fragrance of Chanel #5 and tears

Just win baby

12:57 PM

The boston strangler?

Tony Curtis

Mitch

He was Spartacus

Wait...no that was Kirk Douglas

Just win baby

Same era.

RegDwigнt

@Justwinbaby do you live 6 months ago, by any chance?

Because then in my capacity as Future Man I can tell you, ease up.

Just win baby

Is that a Relativistic warning?

Sorry pal.

Matt E. Эллен

1:15 PM

@RegDwigнt brexit means ???, so step 3 must be profit. Well done. Pay rises all around.

Mitch

routing number and account info submitted

VPN turned on.

Sassy

Gotta go slealth

slealth is some combination of stealthy and lethal?

Just win baby

1:20 PM

Yup

$1 billion each

They make the concord look cheap

Tonepoet

@Xanne. I agree but also remember being reprimanded by an English professor (at uni) for using exist as a verb at all ... regardless of what the word was being applied to. I thought he was wrong, but wasn't really in a position to argue with him. — Steve Lovell 5 hours ago

!!!!!!!!!!

Matt E. Эллен

Wha??? Did this professor think it was only an adjective? Did Steve Lovell use exist in a really weird way? Maybe he was using it transitively or something.

I'll exist this pie with a recipe I found online

Mitch

In some societies, there is no word for 'exists'. They pop in and out like quantum disentabgulation, on the threshold on the doors of our perception, neither hot nor cold.

Tonepoet

@MattE.Эллен Yeah, it sounds like he was trying to use it transitively, since he mentioned applying it to another word.

terdon

Maybe he meant sexist?

Matt E. Эллен

1:32 PM

@terdon lol

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен Thanks!

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch both in and not in the oven

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен Oh. That's just wrong. Like gazpacho. A recipe for disaster

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch luke warm gazpacho

people will do anything for publicity

tchrist

I've never understood how luke got warm.

Mitch

1:36 PM

@MattE.Эллен ugh. I'd eat gazpacho, if the tomato was replaced with potato and onions and some lamb were added and the spices were changed entirely. And then cooked and served warm.

terdon

@tchrist Lightsaber burn.

Mitch

Then that'd be some great gazpacho

@terdon +1

Matt E. Эллен

@terdon he lived on a desert planet :D

terdon

:)

Does this sentence make sense to anyone?

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch sounds like the perfect gazpacho recipe

terdon

1:37 PM

> Yiannis Theodoropoulos's work entails Hölderlin's realisation in the poem "Patmos"

Entails doesn't work for me there.

I think they're after something like encompasses.

Mitch

@terdon No big thing. They're just words. I mean, really, poetry?

terdon

But can you parse entails there?

Matt E. Эллен

involves?

I don't know.

terdon

The original (that's a translation) had a word closer to contains.

But fancier.

Matt E. Эллен

yeah, then entails isn't a good substitute

Mitch

1:41 PM

I'm really struggling to find a phrase here. Google is not helping. There is, or used to be, a phrase to describe a French woman's particular style of dress that is sort of cliche, described by the three cliche accessories. it goes "Hermes, somethety, something" or something like that.

What is that phrase?

Maybe chanel is in there? (but searching didn't help).

terdon

Also, sanity check: the titles of books or poems mentioned in a text should be in italics, right? Should they also be quoted? I mean, should it be The Book or "The Book"?

I'm leaning towards the former.

Mitch

All I got was instructions on how to wrap a scarf, but, as much as I need those instructions, it's not helping with the phrase.

@terdon I'm leaning towards no markup at all, just quotes.

Matt E. Эллен

@terdon I'd pick one or the other, but not both

terdon

For some reason I thought they should always be in italics though. As opposed to quoted.

Mitch

@terdon hm... I remember vaguely in school being told that underlying in handwriting translated to italics in print.

which by the lack of what I am not saying (if that is the way to not say it) means I don't really know.

But back to my question about French Fashion.