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12:00 AM
@ZacharyT So what about the floor of s and the unique elements of t?
 
Anonymous
@Adám Please don't encourage that
 
Stοp trying tο dο that. I wοn't get kicked fοr prοfanity
 
@Mego Well, my pondering continues. What happens if I genuinely need that expression one day.
 
inb4 BF derivative using 8 curse words
@Adám Change your variable names?
 
Swap the οrder?
 
12:02 AM
@StephenS No need, BF is already a curse word.
 
lοl, I've been using οmicrοns fοr a while...
 
Anonymous
@Adám There's a clear difference between legitimate code and egging someone on to write curse words. One is professional, the other is grade school antics.
 
@Adám f∪— ohhhhhhh
what is an enclose of something though
 
 
@Mego Right. I didn't intend to get an expression back, but rather an answer on how to deal with it.
 
12:05 AM
@Adám If you actually need it AND can't get around it by changing ID names or order or something, it'd probably be ok
 
@Adám In a write only language it shouldn't be a problem :P
 
Sο, I'm assuming that using unicοde characters that lοοk IDENTICAL tο an ASCII character isn't "nοise"?
 
@trichoplax The amount of code I have to maintain clearly proves that APL isn't write only. :-)
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@ZacharyT It makes it hard to search for things later, so I'd say it is not ok, even if it isn't noise per se.
 
@Adám I know - it wouldn't have lasted so long if that were really true
 
Peοple haven't nοticed it, have they?
 
12:07 AM
@ZacharyT If it doesn't irritate anyone, it probably won't get you into trouble, but it seems a lot of effort for something not intended to affect anyone
 
@trichoplax Also, unfortunately, APL on PPCG tends to show of the worst kind of APL.
 
Nο, that's GNU APL.
 
Anonymous
@ZacharyT Considering the issues many fonts/browsers/rendering engines have with rendering non-ASCII characters, it's still a problem. Also like Adám said - SE search often breaks on non-ASCII characters.
 
@Adám You can replace APL with any other language there - I probably have a poor impression of most languages thanks to only seeing them on PPCG...
 
@trichoplax Except fοr Java. Java ... is just Java.
 
12:09 AM
You mean Java is that bad in real life too?
 
@StephenS It is an interesting problem. Jewish texts use Hebrew letters' numerical values. Some numbers end up looking like words that are objectionable. Makes it hard for computers to automatically number things with Hebrew numbers.
 
(Its verbοsity)
 
Anonymous
It's a bit sad that we have to teach appropriate netiquette in here...
 
@trichoplax Actually, ArnoldC answers tend to be among the most legible here on PPCG.
 
lοl
Brainf*ck is prοbably the nοn-gοlf-οriented language that is closest tο "actual cοde".
 
12:11 AM
@Adám English seemed to be immune to this problem until base58 became widespread
 
@trichoplax base58?
 
Base58 is a group of binary-to-text encoding schemes used to represent large integers as alphanumeric text. It is similar to Base64 but has been modified to avoid both non-alphanumeric characters and letters which might look ambiguous when printed. It is therefore designed for human users who manually enter the data, copying from some visual source, but also allows easy copy and paste because a double-click will usually select the whole string. Compared to Base64, the following similar-looking letters are omitted: 0 (zero), O (capital o), I (capital i) and l (lower case L) as well as the no...
Public keys for various cryptographic purposes are often represented in base58, which introduces the possibility of the representation of a number being obscene
 
@trichoplax Rather low risk, I'd think. Anyway, TIL.
 
They tend to be long strings, so the chances go up...
 
@trichoplax Are car registration plates filtered?
 
12:17 AM
I have no idea - I don't drive... But more seriously I'd have no idea either way
 
Base36 anyοne?
 
Anonymous
@Adám In Texas, they are
 
What is TIL?
 
Anonymous
Today I Learned
 
> Before NVRAM became universal, several video games for Nintendo platforms used base 32 numbers for passwords. These systems, like Natural Area Code, omit vowels to prevent the game from accidentally giving a profane password.
 
12:18 AM
@ZacharyT No it isn't. Those are not English capital letters.
 
ο_ο. Nice try.
 
@Adám ArnoldC is usually widely received because of it's Terminator theme. Most of it's answers are just printing orders, maybe a condition or two.
 
CMC: Given a non-negative integer and a 1≤base≤36 convert the integer to that base using as many digits of 0…1A…Z as needed.
@Uriel "widely received"?
 
Presumably a language has a built-in, right?
 
@ZacharyT a language?
 
12:24 AM
@Adám upvoted like the upvote button is the dislikes button on an average Justin Bieber's YouTube video
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E.g. 42168 in base 35 is YES
 
Does order matter?
 
@ZacharyT order of input?
 
Arguments.
 
@ZacharyT of course not.
 
12:30 AM
Oh, and how can 0 1 A ... Z be 36 long?
Jelly, 5 bytes: b‘ịØB
(Assuming 1 can be used for unary output)
 
@Downgoat My brother says that "sh**p" is a swear word you should be proud
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@ZacharyT Uh, my mistake: *CORRECTION 2≤base≤36
 
And of course, 0...9A...Z, not 0...1A...Z
 
@ZacharyT Yes. It's 1:30am
 
@Adám 2≤π≤36
 
12:33 AM
Oh, UTC time.
@Uriel Noise, but true
 
@ZacharyT noise?
 
@ZacharyT No, GMT.
 
Aren't they equivalent?
 
@ZacharyT No, right now GMT=UTC+1
 
DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME!!!!!! Seriously, though do you even sleep?
 
12:36 AM
I feel like asking a third question (UTC) yesterday was a bad idea because I lost about 40 rep from capping lol
 
@ZacharyT Barely. I'm supposed to work only 11 hours a day, but I have a hard time limiting myself.
 
And you consider chatting on a derailed chat working?
 
@ZacharyT Not when derailed, but when I can show off APL then yes.
 
Dyalog APL, of course. Not Garbage: Never Use [this] APL
 
@ZacharyT Not true. We have an interest in the general spread of APL. That's why Dyalog hosts APLX for free when MicroAPL decided that their side business was way more worth than their APL business.
 
12:40 AM
Still, it's pretty bad when you compare it to Dyalog. (dfns)
 
@ZacharyT Isn't that very objective when GNU APL only allows one statement per function?
 
I can't imagine APL hopped up on a symbolic math engine...
 
I didn't say that GNU APL is bad. I said Dfns are a joke in GNU APL. Which they are. Seriously, why only one statement per dfn when Iverson included multi-statement dfns in his model from day one?
 
@Adám I still believe this language is in owe of a real name.
 
@ZacharyT Iverson wrote a symbol handling derivative and integral finder as a demonstration of his dfn concept.
@Uriel in owe? You mean APL needs a new name?
 
12:45 AM
@Least it's not recursive trash. cough PHP cough
 
@Adám yup. I mean, it's like naming a high school "AHS". Very creative
 
It's only funny the first time, but as far as I know, APL was the first time
 
@Uriel Well, "APL" was never intended as a final name, but only a temporary working name (common among big software firms). But then it stuck.
@trichoplax It really wasn't a joke. It was the working name of the linearization of the language that was proposed in the book called "A Programming Language".
 
APL every day makes the @Adám stay.
 
@ZacharyT :-)
 
12:49 AM
@Adám TIL. Interesting
 
@Adám I suggest "code oriented linearized mathematical notation", or, as referred to by acronym, "cool, man".
 
> then it stuck
 
Actually, AMPL kind of did the same thing. (A mathematical programming language)
 
APL got bad rep for being unreadable and untypable and going backwards, so for a while Dyadic Systems tried calling the language "Dyalog" from Dyadic + Zilog (the first architecture it ran on), but now most of the bad-rep people are long gone, so we can call it APL again.
 
12:53 AM
And the name stuck ... again.
 
Does APL == A Programming Language?
 
@Uriel That's pretty nifty.
 
@HyperNeutrino YES.
 
Ah. Wait I remember why I know, it's because I looked it up not a week ago
 
@HyperNeutrino No not at all. If you mean that APL is the same as the notation used in the book.
 
12:53 AM
ಠ_ಠ
 
Do not use those faces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@Adám Yes, sorry, I meant that it's based on a book by that name
@ZacharyT do not spam exclamation marks!!!11!1
@HyperNeutrino (I think)
 
Do not use any form of leetspeek!
 
@Adám you may ran it through Dyalog, but do not forget to encorporate my name into the logo once you rename it.
 
@ZacharyT the 11 is a PPCG inside joke/meme
> encorporate
 
12:55 AM
@HyperNeutrino Based on, but doesn't resemble much at all:
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Q: Dijkstra's Challenge

AdámPresented in honor of APL as an interactive tool turning 50 this year Background Ken [Iverson] presented his paper Formalism in Programming Languages in August 1963 at a Working Conference on Mechanical Language Structures, Princeton, N.J. The list of conferees is full of famous and soon-to-...

 
What about the extra trailing 1?
 
@ZacharyT accidental
@Adám Ah okay.
 
@HyperNeutrino ?
 
:38288386 SE's rules say that while obvious promotion of one's products is not ok, being a contributing member of the community and thereby promoting one's product is fine. So I try my best to contribute with Main challenges and CMC of general interest, and also answering questions and providing feedback and editing posts for the common good. I hope that I'm not being perceived as pushy.
Sleep time for me now, though. Have a good [insert your time of day], everyone!
 
OK. So @Adám won't sleep until there's no more APL discussion. So, let's B kind and C if he cares about his health. Should we Dart away from this conversation? Sleep seems lie a universal Elixir. Forth what it's worth, you should just Go to sleep. Do you know what kind of HHow to Askell not sleeping would do to him? This is turning into a Ioke. I'm J-ust trying to ma-K a Luat of Maddening puns. Well, there's nothing Nu here. Everything is Objective, C?
 
1:06 AM
@ZacharyT Hell itself is an esolang as well.
 
@ZacharyT ⎕DL 14400
 
This is my Perl to the clam of puns. I might Q-uit while I'm ahead. R you going to kick me? Sorry about this Scheme. There will be no T-SQR. Well, I couldn't make the comments Unix-fied. I'm running out of Vala-ues in the alphabet. Well, I'm getting towards the end of the (Win)batch of puns. (X)Query: will it stop? If you say yes, Yorik right. Because I have Zeno left!
@Adám I have a feeling I don't want to run that.
Oh my GOd, I GOt a star for that? LOL
 
I saw something to do with spam reports?
@Uriel lol "incorporate" (unless it's another word) but yeah ¯\_(ツ)/¯
@HyperNeutrino that was about a few hours ago 0/10
 
@HyperNeutrino sorry, English not my native.
 
HHow to Askell should say H(ask)ell
 
 
Sorry if that was spamm-E. I always wanted to Do that.
 
@Uriel Ah, okay. Well, you're very good for a non-native English speaker; I never actually noticed before :P
 
@Uriel Same here, I only noticed it now (the way you typed, not the message itself)
Was that D Cent?
 
Someone starred it, so ... wow
 
1:16 AM
And yet you still seem to continue doing it as if your apology didn't exist.
@ZacharyT It was funny the first time.
 
The apology was mainly for more puns.
Well, I'm sans regrets ... and time.
 
> time
for you to stop?
 
Yeah, I'll STOP Bcause I'm leaving.
Ugh, T-SQR should be T-SQL. I AM NOT ASIAN
 
@ZacharyT what is that last part meant to mean
@ZacharyT sorry if I sound aggressive.
 
Some asian languages have a sound that's similar to both l and r. Hence, some asian's people's pronunciation of those sounds similarly or identically.
 
1:21 AM
That seems like an odd thing to say though considering it was just a really weird typo.
 
(Search Engrish)
 
Oh that's where that joke originated from.
Yeah I know what you're talking about now but still 0/10 do not recommend saying that in chat >.< and yeah I wasn't aware of that because Mandarin doesn't have that (I think? unless I'm being stupid right now which isn't unusual)
 
Might just be japanese.
 
Maybe. I wouldn't know :P
 
I just looked at a phonology table, you're right.
 
1:24 AM
Still just to stay safe, I wouldn't recommend saying that, though it doesn't bother me.
 
The R key (NO PUN INTENDED) ain't even close to the L key.
 
Depends on your keyboard layout.
 
Standard QWERTY.
 
On QWERTY (which is designed to be hard to use), they're not even close.
Ah okay.
 
No. Why would there be a keyboard equivalent to an esolang?
Does SE search break on extended ASCII characters?
Or does it only work on @ASCII-only :p ?
 
1:26 AM
@ZacharyT You mean why is QWERTY hard to use?
 
It wasn't D-signed that way, surely!
 
It was
 
It was though.
 
Show me some proof.
 
Typing too quickly on a typewriter would jam the keys.
So they put the common keys on opposite sides to slow people down.
 
1:27 AM
QWERTY was designed to be so the most used keys would be as far apart as possible
 
OK ... that makes a ton of sense.
 
I should learn another layout sometime.
Maybe when I don't need to spend a lot of time typing assignments and programs.
 
@HyperNeutrino Learn a chorded layout
 
like?
 
I know two keyboard layouts that actually differ in a big way, Greek (polytonic and modern) and obviously QWERTY (US standard and Canadian French)
Hey, @Uriel, are U-REAL?
 
1:30 AM
 
Or just be a normal freak and learn Dvorak.\
 
@ZacharyT You mean AZERTY
 
No, Dvorak is a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
 
@ZacharyT yeah i know but seriously Dvorak isn't used by normal freaks
 
But AZERY is?
 
1:34 AM
@ZacharyT yes because it's more similar to QWERTY (more normal) :P
 
Hey, R the programming languages you use @ASCII-only ?
 
Dvorak is the computer geek equivalent of using Almond Milk in your coffee because it's "Better for you". You're still drinking Coffee either way, but now it just tastes kind of funny, and the coffee really outweighs the health benefits.
 
@ZacharyT Kinda, not the one I wrote though >_>
 
How Ironic.
 
DVORAK is probably really good if you've got years of practice behind you. But I'm not sure practicing with an entirely new layout for years is worth it for what could be 5% increase in speed.
 
1:38 AM
Yeah, what time is it for everyone else? Anyone else being Adám and just staying awake?
 
11:30 AM.
 
@ATaco Where in the world is that?
 
Australia!
 
Oh snap.
 
11:39 AM for me
 
1:39 AM
That's... really far
I've got 9:39 PM here...
 
IDK what timezone you're in @ATaco :P
 
I think +11 GMT right now.
 
LOL.
 
GMT-5 :)
 
So, how's winter down there>
 
1:40 AM
or -4. I can't remember all this daylight savings nonsense.
 
Ah, +10.
 
@ATaco Do you have DST wait nvm it's winter why would there be DST
 
AEST, Australian Eastern Standard Time.
 
degrees?
 
Same here, @Zizouz212
 
1:41 AM
Yeah, but we're not in it right now.
 
What's the temperature?
 
Australia is weird with DST, isn't it?
 
Like, 10 Celsius.
 
super cold
 
And yeah.
 
1:41 AM
o_O
 
ok not too cold here it's 15-20 maybe
 
You're kidding?
I would die for that kind of weather!
 
Half of Australia uses DST, half of that only pushes it forward half an hour.
 
That's like shorts and tshirt weather!
 
@ATaco the third half doesn't use this weird magic time travel
 
1:42 AM
Where are you, Canada?
 
Australian Temperature, or atleast, down here, Ranges from -5 in the winter to 50 in the summer. Not even joking.
 
Yep :)
 
LOL, third half.
 
seriously though you don't even know your timezone offset how could you @ATaco >_>
> 50
 
We go from -30 in the winter to like 40 in the summer.
 
1:43 AM
Lucky! We have to deal with Trump.
TRUMP.
 
Yeah, we're keeping our Trudeau...
 
Jan 2015 we got up to 50 degrees.
It was, warm.
 
@ATaco what was there a heatwave or something
 
I believe so.
 
Eek.
 
1:44 AM
Crap. 122 F. jesus christ
 
And I feel like I'm dying at like... 27 degrees celsius. (To be fair, the humidex does add 10 degrees)
 
And of course ... we're stuck using NON METRIC F***ING MEASUREMENT! Usa is so strange.
 
I love my Celsius, it's a good measurement.
 
lol
 
Kelvin's better
 
1:46 AM
@ASCII-only gasp looks cool
 
Kelvin is just Celsius but lower down the chart.
 
But you can use it for specific heat.
 
Use Rankine
 
shudders
 
Kelvin to Celsius is literally 1:1, the only difference is ±273.15
 
1:48 AM
Basically, the boiling point becomes 373.15 degrees instead of 100
 
"Ah yes, it's a cool 290 degrees out today"
10
 
And, of course: absolute 0 is 0 in kelvin (and Rankine, but who cares about Rankine)
 
Is it bad that I'm trying to study for an exam tomorrow and Friday, but I still stay here?
 
Yes, your schooling is rather important.
 
What exam?
 
1:50 AM
French tomorrow, then International Business on Friday.
French I'm comfortable with, but I'm going through my business textbook right now, and things aren't matching up for me...
 
Oh, bonne chance! (My french isn't that good)
 
Apparently, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada released a report in 2006 about how fewer babies are being born in Japan.
 
Good luck on exams! :)
 
That situation needs to occur in this China. (And this hellhole, to be honest)
 
@ZacharyT Merci beaucoup! Je pense que je l'aurai besoin!
IIRC the fertility rate in China is below 2.1 I think.
 
1:53 AM

 Le Dix-Neuvième Byte

Discussion générale pour codegolf.stackexchange.com en français
 
Yeah, 1.56. That's going to hurt them.
sigh Just two exams and I'm finished for good...
 
I rest my case, I could only understand the first sentence well. The second one said, "I think that I'll need it," right?
 
Tu as raison!
 
:)
 
2:16 AM
@Zizouz212 OCPs fault I guess
 
Yep.
It's created an entire cultural shift in China actually.
It's kind of fast-tracked them on the demographic transition.
 
I have begun work on my new esolang!
 
esolang?
 
Esoteric Language..?
 
What kind of ESO? Golf or something else?
 
2:22 AM
:DDDDD
I reinstalled Windows again, again, and I finally have no corrupted dlls!
Goddammit microsoft I just want to play games :-;
 
I wish windows wasn't the standard.
7
 
hey guys I rewrote my koth
it should be easier to read now I think
 
@Phoenix D: why no linux?
 
Everyone should star ATaco's last message, it's probably the most star-worthy thing ever
 
@Downgoat This is my gaming computer.
 
2:24 AM
And Downgoat's last message
 
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Q: Dungeon of botdom

Destructible Lemon– of crisis and martyrdom (that's the subtitle because subtitles are cool) In this king-of-the-hill challenge in python (yup; you need go no farther to know you may not submit in java), you need to create a bot that plays a game very similar to welcome to the dungeon Rules for the game, as you...

 
Therefore, I put Windows on it.
 
@HyperNeutrino your brother is very wise
 
Y U NO LINUX (sorry, had to)
 
I have two laptops with only Linux, and I dual-boot on this PC.
 
2:25 AM
I've got a VM on my work computer, Dual-boot my home, and running just Linux on my Server.
 
I updated my koth so please read it because it is better now
 
Gaming in a VM is rather impractical.
 
You will notice I said "Work Computer"
It's rather difficult to game with your manager breathing down your neck.
5
 
There is that.
 
@ATaco tell him to go play on his own computer instead of watching
 
2:29 AM
I'm sure she'd be more than willing to blackmark me for such a comment.
 
or to go watch on your twitch
 
I just wrote a story on /r/hfy
@DestructibleLemon her*
 
Well, I'm out for ℝ now, CЯ!
 
@Mendeleev but... its a manager
sorry
 
Heh
 
2:39 AM
@ZacharyT please don't be $Q^_$ with your puns
 
what do you call a machine that grows up/matures a man's clone? a man-ager
 
how about "time"
 
Ⅰf wе type like thⅰs, АSϹІІΟNLΥ ⅽаn't hear uѕ.
 
@ATaco this reminds me of portal 2
 
if we keep typing like that ROs will also be slightly to very annoyed
and various other people
 
2:49 AM
I bet ascii-only will be very confused with a gibberish message on the starboard
 
But atleast Asciionly can't hear us talking about him.
АѕсiіΟnⅼy ⅰѕ a рrеttу сoоl duԁе.
 
but are those not ASCII? i never knew those existed. cool
CMC: convert an ASCII string to that type of text that ASCII only can't read
 
@HyperNeutrino don't start
 
Python has that str.translate() should be easy
 
i guess there's another time for that.
 
2:54 AM
@totallyhuman it is pretty fun
 
Actually NVM
 
whaddya mean nvm?
 
That's a dumb ungolfy idea
 
I tried doing "BlahBlahBlah".replace(/./g,x=>String.fromCharCode(x.charCodeAt(0)+975)) but it just made it look russian.
БлазБлазБлаз
 
Perfect
 
2:56 AM
@ATaco is this a new meme
 
БошϯИϯсауздсϯзопдϯноу
 
what language?
 
I have no idea.
Ascii shifted 975 code points right.
 
is the program in
 
Oh, JS.
f=s=>s.replace(/./g,x=>String.fromCharCode(x.charCodeAt(0)+975));k=s=>s.replace‌​(/./g,x=>String.fromCharCode(x.charCodeAt(0)-975));
Implements f and k, where f translates to, and k translates from.
 
3:00 AM
I think there is great potential for this memery
@ATaco python is golfier
lambda z:''.join(chr(ord(i)+975) for i in z)
 
I don't python very well.
 
list comprehension ftw
 
SPACES
well singular space
 
list comprehension also working on strings ftw too
 
having extra unnecessary spaces ftnw
 
3:01 AM
f("DAYDV")+"D"
 
If I explain it, I defeat it.
 
I think a is messed up or something
 
shrug
 
but i can't run your js because mobile and also I'm too lazy to do it
 
3:02 AM
BRB.
 
actually I'll just use tio
 
'аАбБвВгГдДеЕжЖзЗиИйЙкКлЛмМнНоОпПрРсСтТуУфФхХцЦчЧшШщЩ'
this is the alphabet
note that the es are efs
and bs are cs
I think that these are those weird cyrillic homograph things
 
@ATaco oh i see wow lol
thank god Dennis for tio, tio is like one of the few sites that are actually nice on mobile
 
I might post this on r/programminghumour password encryption
because it is very secure
 
yes. guaranteed to not be cracked
 
3:07 AM
again, forreal check out my koth challenge please it is good now I tell you
 
@HyperNeutrino You crossed something out and then wrote the same thing again wat.
 
exactly
 
@ATaco Is this the kind of text you were wanting?
 
3:23 AM
Yeah.
 
actually this has better spaces
ok I'll stop before I get 11'd
b=lambda a:''.join((chr(ord(i)+0xFEE0)if ord(i)in range(ord("!"),ord("~")+1)else chr(0x3000)if i==" "else i)for i in a)
could golf it by making the hex codes to regular base 10
also I'm actually making a parser for my new lang
so that is pretty fun
I used lambdas so much I forgot to add the return part into a function...
 
3:50 AM
I'm gonna have fun doing some Real Programming (TM) tomorrow. I've been tasked to write Python program to generate some config file. It basically boils down to allowing the user to select from a list of available neural pathways and number of copies, and having the program figure out how to wire together a neural network model that matches those parameters.
 
don't tell them that or they'll charge you!
 
The output of the program will be fed as the configuration to an actual neural network simulator.
 
also I just made my first parser so yay me I guess
now to make the execute function
also make the number to newlines part, but that should be simple
 
Since this is my first real programming assignment as part of a research project, I'm gonna try to hammer it out as fast as I can, basically to impress them. Unfortunately it's actually a rather complicated thing.
 
seems like a really easy way of implementing a tokenizer
anybody use that before?
 
3:58 AM
it turns out my parser stinks at it doesn't work yet
 

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