The Nineteenth Byte

MD XF

3:07 AM

Can't tell if my answer to Golf you an anagram for great good! is valid or not, help me out

Destructible Lemon

um, can you get all anagrams?

seems invalid

because you can't get any starting with a for example

user165474

wtf I just got an upvote for a question that I posted like ages ago

Destructible Lemon

yup

I can balance it out if you like

user165474

:I hm

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon ? there are 1.8891961e+38 possible outputs, and nowhere in the question does it say that the program must be able to output every possible anagram

Destructible Lemon

3:16 AM

um

user165474

In this challenge, your task is to write some code which outputs one of its anagrams chosen randomly with uniform distribution but it should never output itself.

Destructible Lemon

^ it's literally in the first sentence

MD XF

One of its anagrams chosen randomly

It chooses a random anagram

It literally shuffles half the source code

user165474

...

user165474

one of its anagrams with uniform distribution

user165474

3:17 AM

that implies that all of the anagrams should have an equal probability of being output

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF if that were true, why bother mixing up the source at all

and just output one possibility

MD XF

Your program should never output its own source as it is, i.e. it should never be a quine.

user165474

So?

MD XF

Hm

You have a point

I'll ask the OP

Done

ASCII-only

@MDXF It's already clear though

MD XF

3:21 AM

Well I wouldn't say clear, it's left open for interpretation and implication

ATaco

Challanges that specify Uniform distributions instead of just non-0 chance sadden me.

MD XF

@ATaco agreed

ASCII-only

@MDXF ... What does "Uniform distribution" mean to you

@ATaco ... Why

ATaco

It's not always easy to produce a Uniform distribution depending on the challenge.

Destructible Lemon

because it shuts off interesting implementation as well

ASCII-only

3:22 AM

@ATaco This is PPCG not Programming Basics and Free Reps

@DestructibleLemon Some interesting implementations

ATaco

I don't believe that enforcing a Uniform distribution adds to the challenge.

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only implied

MD XF

It makes it impossible in quite a few languages

Destructible Lemon

also I accidentally that word

ASCII-only

Plus if you really want you can post a variation not requiring a uniform distribution

ATaco

3:23 AM

That will almost immediately be dupe hammered.

MD XF

@ASCII-only And immediately get flagged as dupe

Destructible Lemon

not entirely sure why your answer can't just have all of the code in one part and strfry it

user165474

^ your comment is a dupe of ATaco's. VTC as dupe.

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon Because it has format specifiers

If I strfry'd the format specifiers, instead of looking like %c%s%c it would look like <random bytes>%<random bytes>s, etc

Destructible Lemon

hmm. well your answer is bad

MD XF

3:25 AM

Thanks for the downvote, anyway

ASCII-only

@MDXF No? It's sufficiently different that submissions for the other challenge that many answers will be not very competitive, therefore it isn't considered a dupe

MD XF

Oh well. If it was invalid, it was invalid... all I can do is fix it

user165474

lol tfw you think someone has higher rep than you but they don't

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino who're you referring to

user165474

ASCII-only

user165474

3:30 AM

I thought ASCII-only had like 12k-something rep

MD XF

Wow

Same

Wheat Wizard

I do that a lot. There are some people that I always feel have a lot of rep and only have a couple thousand

MD XF

I'll probably have as much rep as him in a week

Already gained 1k rep in like two weeks

user165474

:o

MD XF

codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/61563/md-xf?tab=reputation

user165474

3:31 AM

owtf that rep spike

MD XF

114

A: Output with the same length as the code

C (modern Linux), 19 bytes main(){puts('s');} When compiled and run, this prints: Segmentation fault I found another way to do the same thing in the same number of bytes!

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Wheat Wizard

@MDXF It looks like most of your rep is coming from one answer

MD XF

Took me six seconds to write

user165474

:I and you already have a gold badge

MD XF

3:32 AM

Yeah

I spent a year on Stack Overflow and two weeks here, already got half my SO rep here

user165474

nice answer, but I don't think it was that good... like it's really nice how that works out but 116 upvotes... I'm jealous :I

MD XF

I did not expect it

Wheat Wizard

@MDXF Btw doesn't that answer also print a new line?

user165474

my most upvoted answer took me longer to type than to create

MD XF

main(){puts('s');} = 18 bytes

Segmentation fault = 18 byte

*bytes

user165474

3:33 AM

oh I used to have more on SO and then I decided to be active here and overtook it in a few days

MD XF

but add newlines to the end of both

19 bytes

Wheat Wizard

On my machine it prints a newline with the segfault

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Same

@WheatWizard Exactly

main(){puts('s');}\n is 19 bytes, Segmentation fault\n is 19 bytes

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF bad news buddy: people don't tend to get a bunch of 100 upvotes on their answers often

Wheat Wizard

Ok cool

Destructible Lemon

3:34 AM

also. you lucky

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon Yeah, I know

@DestructibleLemon Again... yeah I know

Destructible Lemon

well actually tbh I don't think its really that good in general

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon The answer?

user165474

I passed my first thousand on January 17 this year

Destructible Lemon

no I mean a simple answer gettin 100 upvotes

MD XF

3:35 AM

@DestructibleLemon I completely agree, I always think it's stupid when an answer gets more votes than the question

user165474

And then I passed my second thousand on April 5

user165474

And then my third thousand on April 19

user165474

which means I got a thousand in 2 weeks :D

MD XF

Not bad

Destructible Lemon

I would have more rep if I answered more often

user165474

3:36 AM

And then I passed my fourth on May 11

user165474

which was significantly longer

Wheat Wizard

I'd have more rep if I produced higher quality content

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon I answer everything I can, I recently discovered code golf

Destructible Lemon

one of my highest voted answers isn't even an answer

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon Same. I spend way more time working on challenge ideas than I do on writing answers

MD XF

3:37 AM

Which one

Destructible Lemon

@Mego I do neither

Downgoat

>_< why are people so resistive to dupe challenges

user165474

@DestructibleLemon eh wut

Downgoat

it's not like it's a bad thing

do we have like some meta thing I can link discussing that it doesn't have to be exact same challenge to be a dupe?

MD XF

@Mego Every challenge I've posted has been awfully received

I just don't try anymore

Destructible Lemon

3:37 AM

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A: Are there any languages especially good at ASCII art?

I recently made a new programming language, called Turtlèd, which operates on a grid of characters with a turtle, which moves around the grid, writes to the grid, and has control flow with the grid. The grid is implicitly printed at the end. By this fact that it does not have to write spaces, and...

at a time it actually was my highest voted

user165474

wait 7 is highest?

MD XF

That's your most hig... oh

user165474

oh at that time ok

user165474

why do so many people have gold badges ;_;

MD XF

I was thinking "wow 4k rep with the highest answer 7? damn you answer a lot"

Destructible Lemon

3:38 AM

its higher than my average anyway

4k rep?

MD XF

actually your highest answer is 8 now

Destructible Lemon

whatchu talking about

user165474

4k?

user165474

what?

MD XF

Or not

whoops

user165474

3:39 AM

lol I thought Lemon had more rep than me until I checked

user165474

(though I checked a while ago)

Destructible Lemon

I tried to play a koth once

it didn't work

MD XF

that's how I messed up

I saw the 3393

user165474

oh network score lol

user165474

and 3393 != 4k

Destructible Lemon

3:40 AM

^

Downgoat

pls can we not ignore site-related question :/

MD XF

Yeah

user165474

when it's too obvious you answer three times just to try to get rep and only get 2 upvotes cri

MD XF

@Downgoat Just out of curiosity, off-topic-ish. Aren't you like the biggest meme on PPCG?

Downgoat

@MDXF probably 2nd after avocados

Destructible Lemon

3:41 AM

one of my best answers is still at score 0 ;_;

user165474

rip

Destructible Lemon

wtf wai ;_;

user165474

my first few were all 0

Destructible Lemon

it was even an outgolf!

Wheat Wizard

I have some answers I really like that are still at 0 or 1 vote

MD XF

3:41 AM

@DestructibleLemon Same, my best answer has 0

Destructible Lemon

I THOUGHT OUTGOLFS GOT YOU REP ;_;

MD XF

Or not

All three of my Polyquine answers took ~2 hours each to write

and no votes ;_;

user165474

when you're bad at stuff and you golf down way too much

Anonymous

@Downgoat About the dupe thing? I dunno, the challenge I think you're referring to is a pretty clear dupe. If it gets reopened, I'll hammer it again.

user165474

514 -> 177

Destructible Lemon

3:43 AM

I'm really bad about upvoting things...

Wheat Wizard

@HyperNeutrino thats nothing

Downgoat

@Mego huh, am I not allowed to hammer twice?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Sounds like my 202 -> 73 and it was one of my first golfs

Anonymous

@Downgoat Nope, users only ever get a single CV on a given question

user165474

each person may only vote to close and to reopen once each on a question

Destructible Lemon

3:44 AM

will I get 11'd if I post my outgolf?

user165474

@WheatWizard You golfed it down to about 42%, I did about 34%

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino still not as bad as the brainflak quine

MD XF

I still can't believe this guy has his cmd.exe font set to Comic Sans MS

Wheat Wizard

@HyperNeutrino Ah I was commenting on the number of slashes

user165474

oh ok

user165474

3:45 AM

that makes more sense

Destructible Lemon

the comment has more votes than the question

Anonymous

@MDXF Some men just want to see the world burn

user165474

I had a 72-byte golf because I was being stupid :I

Wheat Wizard

@HyperNeutrino If you want percentage

Destructible Lemon

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MD XF

3:46 AM

@Mego Guess so. I'd probably use wine and cmd.exe on Linux before using Comic Sans MS for anything

user165474

@WheatWizard ... just wow

Destructible Lemon

please pity my 0 vote answer

MD XF

Golfed mine down to 36%, is that good?

user165474

close :P

MD XF

or 19% if you count the second one

Wait that seems wrong

Destructible Lemon

3:47 AM

kind of sad that the bounty didn't attract many votes to my quine ;_;

MD XF

Yep, that's wrong. 34%, hit 4 on my calculator :P

@DestructibleLemon I know the feeling

Wheat Wizard

Its hard to get votes on quines

user165474

good job

Destructible Lemon

at least the bounty will be a consolation

user165474

lol

MD XF

3:49 AM

In my ridiculously upvoted answer I posted a link to another answer doing the same thing in the same # of bytes and it has 0.009% as many votes

Destructible Lemon

I was able to make the quine good because I had experience from my own language

Wheat Wizard

Martin has one fine one line Klein Quine with only two votes.

MD XF

@WheatWizard not anymore... :P

user165474

are you a poet

Anonymous

@WheatWizard Nice one, Sam I Am

user165474

3:50 AM

wait you got 116 upvotes in a week

user165474

WTF

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino me?

Destructible Lemon

trick to getting many upvotes:

user165474

yes

Destructible Lemon

make simple answer

MD XF

3:51 AM

@HyperNeutrino Yeah it was pretty unexpected

Destructible Lemon

hope that the gods bless you

???

profit

user165474

the longer answers get less upvotes because people look at the challenge and are like LELELEL NOPE TOO CONFUSING

user165474

@DestructibleLemon sure :P

MD XF

I can understand why this has 0 upvotes because it took 5 minutes to write. But stuff like this that takes three hours? why cruel world

Helka Homba

Write good questions instead

Anonymous

3:53 AM

Upvotes are inversely proportional to effort

MD XF

@HelkaHomba I'm trash at that

Mistah Figgins

@MDXF Well, It's not a well known language (IMO) and it has no explanation or verification link

user165474

My highest upvoted question gives me more rep than my highest upvoted answer

MD XF

@Mego OMG SO TRUE

Helka Homba

@Mego For questions I think the ratio is a little better

user165474

3:53 AM

50 (250) vs 20 (200)

MD XF

@MistahFiggins ...true

I only know 80x86 assembly 'cause I used DOS until I was 13 :|

Anonymous

@MDXF Wow, did CPS get involved?

Mistah Figgins

I always try to put explanations into my answers

MD XF

@Mego No, CPS got involved when I didn't leave the basement for 300 hours

Helka Homba

@MistahFiggins thank you

I upvote those first

Wheat Wizard

3:55 AM

Could I get some feedback on this sandboxed question?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Trithagorean Triples A Pythagorean Triple is an integer solution to the equation: A Trithagorean triple is and integer solution to the equation: Where Δn finds the nth triangular number. All Trithagorean triples are solutions to the equation: As well. Task Given a number c via input ...

MD XF

@MistahFiggins I try to write explanations when the solutions are insanely complicated and only God and I know what they do

Mistah Figgins

Well, that way you avoid the issue where eventually only god knows

Helka Homba

@WheatWizard I like "triplets" more than "triples" but subjective

Wheat Wizard

I have a bunch of answers that I can't explain because I forgot them as I wrote them

MD XF

@WheatWizard Relatable

user165474

3:56 AM

lol same here, I do that too often

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Add a language to a quine Add a language to a quine program. Your program must output itself in all languages used so far. Second to last answer wins after no answers have been posted for two weeks. answer-chaining quine polyglot