9:05 PM
@BernardoMeurer Bob's wife is Slovak

We can drop her and Nika in Michelle's pit and watch

Anonymous
Now, who is this Bob?

Anonymous
:-D

@blue His uncle

Anonymous
Ow

9:08 PM
@BernardoMeurer Michelle's pit?

@0celouvsky Yes, she has a pit of death at her new place

I wouldn't know

She sent me pics

Not me

9:09 PM

AFAIK that's your room there for the summer

@BernardoMeurer I'm not going if I have to pay for the plane ticket and I don't want to beg for it
So I'm probably not going

Sigh
Just drive

No
I don't want to drive 5,000 miles

Tsc, weak

9:12 PM
Then you tell her I need a plane ticket

It's not pride, Michelle doesn't like begging

I'm not telling you to beg I'm telling you to call your sister explain her what's up and ask
or text her
she hates calls

You tried calling her?

Nope, we just discussed our hate for phone calls before

9:17 PM
I like phone calls

I texter her a while ago and didn't get a response

Do you not know your sister? She's not always responsive. Just poke her again
if she doesn't respond I'll go poke myself
It usually takes me a couple tries and a few days to get her to answer my questions :P
She's busy

Hm? I mostly talk to her about alcohol
I barely ever talk to Michelle about computers, Ron doesn't let us
he calls us nerds

9:21 PM
I send a second text
Ron just calls me an asshole

Lol
I want you to go so I can watch you and Ron interact

I'm kidding

Kat said it's ... interesting

What?
@BernardoMeurer where do I put these booooooks

@0celouvsky In a box and ship them to me

9:23 PM
@BernardoMeurer otoh kat is always responsive
@BernardoMeurer I can give you my Shankar if you really want

Yes, Kat is the nicest person I think I ever met

She takes after her mother, whom she hates.

What does "takes after someone" mean?

is more like her mother than her father

Ah, I see
I don't know her mother

9:26 PM
I do

But she does not seem to have much of bob lol

But they were old already, right?

I think Kat was...8?

Hm, did not know that

9:27 PM
@BernardoMeurer Kat said she meant hilarious
Look at this shit
One page index
why even bother?

"meant hilarious"?
Lol, that is shit

@BernardoMeurer by "interesting"

Ah
Yes

@BernardoMeurer the worst is the Brazilian geometry book
half the defintions are not in the back

:(
Lame

9:30 PM
So there's a set of 4 PDE books by Hörmander
I only need the first three
Now I have the first three but if feels like a part of me is missing

Lol
This is why you can't afford the plane ticket to stuff turkey with me in CA

I can afford it
I just don't want to shell out $500 for it Ah$500 for a flight to SF?

God, volume 4 does look good. Well, we'll see if I need it
@BernardoMeurer Flights to cali are 500, yeah
it's only a month away dude

Damn, it is close
Waterloo better give me those decisions
I know they'll reject me, but I need to be sure to make my call

9:34 PM
Did you pull on their liberal heartstrings?

I tried
I said I got ran over by a car and all

lol
did you really?

when did you get run over?
Do they ask you for a reason for transferring?

My last year of high school
If they did I have some good reasons

9:36 PM
Such as?
"it's too hard" is not a good one

My school praises being difficult rather than being instructive
The whole system is made to screw you up rather than actually teach you something

waterloo admissions officer would get offended you think their school is easy

The syllabuses are all horrible unorganized
It's not about being hard, it's about doing that in a way that doesn't teach me well

Or as the kids say it; triggered

If it was hard and I was becoming a ninja it'd be fine

9:38 PM
@EmilioPisanty not until you pointed it out =)

Problem is it's just hard, there's nothing else to it

@BernardoMeurer If I go to SF and don't have to pay for a ticket, I will give you Shankar there
I promise

Alright, deal

It's in your best interest to get michelle to pay for me

I could partner with Michelle she buys me Shankar, which is way cheaper than a ticket, and no problems

9:44 PM
So you'd rather have Shankar than me?

@0celouvsky Nah, I just wanted to feed your insecurities
I need you to decoy Ron so he doesn't bully me :P

Ok, Kat has searched through all of her texts with you
She has not mentioned anything about us being "interesting"
Why would Ron bully you? Or me?

You two should set up a room

@JaimeGallego Truth be told I don't know why we're not texting.
@BernardoMeurer ?

@0celouvsky I was being euphemistic, by interesting she meant hilarious

9:50 PM
lol

My phone is on the other side of the room

U.S. public education system, treats the Bohr model like it's fact

@LegionMammal978 For hydrogen it is; and that's a lie.
U.S. education is partially state run so that statement is pretty stupid.

Hooray for electron clouds :P
Also, what dictates how the nucleons in an atomic nucleus are arranged? IIRC the answer sidesteps the whole question

@LegionMammal978 What do you mean by "arranged"? They don't have definite position just like the electrons don't

9:57 PM
@ACuriousMind Oh okay, just images that cluster them together were confusing me
Still trying to wrap my head around the idea of particles having indefinite positions

@LegionMammal978 Yeah, those pictures are just as untrue as the Bohr model ;)
@0celouvsky what do you mean?

@0celouvsky Then how do we define what element a nucleus is?

I meant quarks.

Oh, okay

The number of nucleons in a nucleus is perfectly well-defined.

9:58 PM
Proof?

You mean like virtual particles or something? Those are pretty weird

@0celouvsky If you're thinking of sea quarks don't make me go on a rant about virtual particles again :P

@ACuriousMind I was trying to instigate precisely that :P
I still don't understand the parton model
There's just that "thing"
That "thing" has a bunch of "things" in it
Something something virtual :P

One last question, what causes the surrounding waves in scanning tunneling microscope images?

Which surrounding waves?

10:02 PM
idk, saw some STM imagery once where atoms seemed to have sinusoidal wave patterns coming off
Or rather molecules, or whatever those dots are :P

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean, but I probably couldn'T answer it anyway, my knowledge about these microscopes is only superficial

@ACuriousMind Can you indulge me on an explanation of what the quark structure of a proton is pls

@0celouvsky No, because I don't understand it all that well myself. Bound QCD states are a mess

10:41 PM
Does anyone mind if I advertise a math group dedicated to the study, construction, nomenclature, and usage of large numbers? We are the googologists, and I thought the topic might interest some of the common public.

@SimplyBeautifulArt You kind of just did

@BernardoMeurer Nah, I didn't tell anyone how they can join and stuff

@SimplyBeautifulArt I'm amused by the idea that you expect to find "the common public" in this chat, but unless you intend to periodically spam us with said advertisement, I see no problem with you posting about it here once.

Dang it, you are so good :P
@ACuriousMind Thanks mate

10:43 PM
@SimplyBeautifulArt Do you have space for someone interested in computing large numbers? I quite like arbitrary precision computation

in This is the Realm of Simply Beautiful Art, yesterday, by Simply Beautiful Art
If anyone has Discord and wants to join people who study and play with large numbers:
https://discord.gg/k4kWXdT

@BernardoMeurer I don't think they have a supercomputer for you ;)

@BernardoMeurer I have space for people who want to code large numbers on theoretical computers with infinite resources

@SimplyBeautifulArt Nah, I'm more about actually doing it, sorry :)

10:45 PM
I need to test my collatz implementation

I don't have one either!

Lies

I have some random codes that always produce overflow errors but would produce decently large numbers if they ran
lol
@BernardoMeurer Pride kills people

@SimplyBeautifulArt I'm trying to implement Schonhage-Strassen using CuFFT in the backend for mass parallelization with GMP

If you guys are a little interest and would like to have a brief talk on what you are getting into, I don't mind that as well

10:48 PM
Memory fragmentation might be an issue though

@BernardoMeurer I'm not a programmer, so I have no understanding of what you are saying lol

I just know enough to produce decently sized numbers

Schonhage-Strassen: Algo for multiplying very large numbers. It requires many Fast Fourier Transforms
CuFFT a way to do Fast Fourier Transforms on the GPU instead of CPU (faster)

@ACuriousMind If they had a supercomputer, it would collapse into a black hole when I run my code
Ah, nice

10:49 PM
GMP: A Library that lets you have numbers with arbitrary precision

that's actually pretty interesting
@BernardoMeurer Arbitrary is not infinite

Nope, finite
Limited by how much memory you have :)

@SimplyBeautifulArt I know some physicists who would be very interested in that ;) Turning the computer into a black hole would be preferable to simulating one with it...from a safe distance.

But remember you can have 1TB of RAM nowadays
that's a pretty huge number to be stored

@ACuriousMind has to do with the entropy of the stuff going poof

10:51 PM
And so, MeurerAI's plans to access a supercomputer and dominate the world are again foiled

Graham's number is an unimaginably large number that is a proven upper bound to the solution of a certain problem in Ramsey theory. It is named after mathematician Ronald Graham who used the number as a simplified explanation of the upper bounds of the problem he was working on in conversations with popular science writer Martin Gardner. Gardner later described the number in Scientific American in 1977, introducing it to the general public. The number was published in the 1980 Guinness Book of World Records which added to the popular interest in the number. Graham's number, although smaller than...

@JaimeGallego Don't worry, he still has his potatoes.

@ACuriousMind Read the 'notes' section. My numbers are much larger than this

If only I could daisy-chain enough Texas calculators...
@SimplyBeautifulArt Hmmm, I think I might have something of interest to add
It involves CS theory, and it's a function that grows faster than any computable function
(it's non-computable)

10:53 PM
I can explain in length some other time

Busy Beaver?

@SimplyBeautifulArt I'm very sceptical about everything that has to do with black holes and information after having heard several talks on that that made approximately zero sense, but then again, it's not exactly my area.

But more than that the connection of busy beaver to ZFC inconsistency

Yeah, I know things way worse than BB function
@ACuriousMind lol
Hm, I probably know someone who knows what you are trying to say
but I don't do much ZFC and the like kind of stuff
@BernardoMeurer No idea if it'll interest you, but have you seen Loader's number?
@ACuriousMind Say, have I seen you somewhere? o.O

10:59 PM
@SimplyBeautifulArt Have not. Tell me

I believe it is related to the calculus of constructs

@SimplyBeautifulArt How do you mean? If you've lurked around physics.SE chances are you've seen a post or comment from me.

@ACuriousMind I'm usually on math.SE

11:00 PM
Holy cow

@BernardoMeurer I work in a scary feild
Don't ask me to personally explain it for you

@SimplyBeautifulArt I'm rarely there, my posts there are just ones that got migrated from here. Not sure where else you could've seen me, the only other chat I frequent is the rpg.SE chat

@ACuriousMind Hm, probably due to migration then
@ACuriousMind What're you into?

@SimplyBeautifulArt Everything quantum on the physics side, a smattering of most things except analysis on the math side. Currently mostly dealing with algebraic/complex geometry and M-theory.

Interesting. I want to get into quantum and that kind of stuff one day

11:18 PM
Everything quantum?
Most things?
@ACuriousMind I didn't know you liked number theory and complex analysis o.o

@0celouvsky Right, I forgot about number theory :P

@ACuriousMind I didn't know you liked numerical methods

lol, sometimes you run into random stuff @0celouvsky

@0celouvsky I do know a bit about numerically solving differential equations and such. It's actually quite interesting how to do that well, I just never messed with it beyond that one course on lattice QFT

xD
@0celouvsky If you are interested in large numbers, please see my profile page
also, gotta eat, so cya guys

11:25 PM
I'm not, although number theory is on my list of things to learn
analytic number theory, that is
@ACuriousMind My advisor said we won't do differential forms in measure theory because he doesn't want to explain exterior algebra
Instead we're doing Hausdorff measure which is just as well
I just thought it was funny because he's expecting people to understand forms for the next class

Help me understand something
Imagine I am doing some gr stuff
now if I visualize it as a cylinder or some d- dim stuff
then is the d-1 cross section a poincare section
?
Is this what those ads guys do for the poincare patch stuff?
I know it's a bit vague but, I hope good enough in chat
cross sections of a d-dim space?
@0celouvsky am I making sense?

11:42 PM
@0celouvsky :O I want to get to ANT as well

@Cows no