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Sonic The Hedgehog

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That way, they could marry and not go to the army.

However, when the emperor found out, he was furious.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog believed

Sonic The Hedgehog

He ordered St.Valentine to be hanged, the next day.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog to make

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog emperor

Sonic The Hedgehog

on his last day of his life, he sat down, and began writing a letter.

user19161

00:01

@SonicTheHedgehog St. Valentine

Sonic The Hedgehog

He wrote the letter to the little girl who had helped him on his plan.

user19161

@Mahnax OK. ABC.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Better.

Sonic The Hedgehog

It was about how he was thankful that the girl was helping out, and all that stuff.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog had helped

Sonic The Hedgehog

00:02

And that's how the tradition started.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog was

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog that's, the, tradition

Sonic The Hedgehog

He died on the 14th of Feburary.

user19161

@sonic How is your test?

Sonic The Hedgehog

to this day, we celebrate the all the good things he have done, and February officially became the month of love.

user19161

00:04

@SonicTheHedgehog ordered

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Vitaly kicked out Dredge and Predator in favor of two Captors, almost lost, because the enemy commander has Weaken, so the Vigils were eating the Captors alive. I only won because BoD was played last.

Sonic The Hedgehog

The End.

@Jasper well.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Nice story!

Sonic The Hedgehog

Ty.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog So you got into the school of your choice?

Sonic The Hedgehog

00:05

@Jasper school.

@Jasper well...

I don't know until April.

Mid-April, I believe.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Now you are also correcting my spelling, very good.

Vitaly

@RegDwightѬſ道 oh, Captors are supposed to Mimic Vigils and be rallied by a Rally 1 commander

Sonic The Hedgehog

Then I get letter, telling me whether I was rejected or not.

@Jasper Thanks.

Vitaly

and they lose to a first-played Hierophant because there's no Rally to Mimic

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Vitaly @Reg come on, how was my story?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

00:06

Well I didn't want to change my entire deck.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Good.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

In fact I didn't want to change anything.

Of course it's possible to come up with the perfect counter if there's only one enemy to counter.

Vitaly

@RegDwightѬſ道 I just made a new one, with 4 Captors and Duncan. Lost to first-played Hierophant 2 times. Otherwise, a piece of cake.

user19161

@mahnax Work soon?

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Nope!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

00:08

@SonicTheHedgehog There was a story?

Don't worry, if it's in the transcript, I will read it eventually.

user19161

@sonic What do you think of my avatar?

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 That could be 9000 years later.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Sure. In fact it could be <puts on sunglasses> OVER 9000 years later. But it won't be.

user19161

Owls live over 9000 years and wear sunglasses. ABC.

Sonic The Hedgehog

ABC?

MetaEd

00:12

PDQ.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Jasper it needs more blue.

Mahnax

Don't ask.

Sonic The Hedgehog

CIA

Mahnax

CTFD...

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Thank you.

Sonic The Hedgehog

00:12

FBI

user19161

XYZ.

user19161

911.

Sonic The Hedgehog

211

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Anyhow folks, I'm out for today.

MetaEd

CYA.

LSD.

tar.

user19161

00:14

@sonic The colour is called steel blue, my favourite.

user19161

@MetaEd I know that one.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Reg cya.

Vitaly

@RegDwightѬſ道 Night.

user19161

@Vitaly Goodnight!

user19161

Oh dear.

Mahnax

00:16

@JasperLoy What?

user19161

@Mahnax I said goodnight to the wrong person. It happens.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Teehee.

Sonic The Hedgehog

>.>

user19161

When someone says bye you don't know whether he is leaving or saying bye to someone leaving.

Sonic The Hedgehog

<.<

>.<

o.O

Mahnax

00:18

Cease please.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Cereal? Sure!

hands him a bowl of cereal

Cerberus

@Vitaly Hey, what was this about?

Mahnax

...?

Cerberus

Hi!

user19161

You know I just approved this funny edit.

Mahnax

00:19

Hi!

user19161

At first I thought he removed "thanks" but later I realized he added "thanks" just to make the edit more than six characters for submission!

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb Yo!

Vitaly

@Cerberus lotta people leave their CPanel passwords in the open

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Have to come back because someone actually managed to post a dupe of two questions.

2

Q: Is it a good idea to begin a sentence with a number or a variable name?

Is it acceptable to have the following sentences in formal writing? 2.5 years have already been completed. or n shows the number of something.

sentence

Cerberus

Ah OK, I didn't know that thing was a password. Silly.

Vitaly

00:23

@Cerberus look for UserName and PassWord in the search results

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 No need to, you are too hardworking.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: Why do English writers avoid explicit numerals?

The junction has a stop sign on each of the four entrances. The junction has a stop sign on each of the 4 entrances. The first is preferred, for some reason, by many English texts. Why? I haven't seen this phenomenon in other languages.

writing-style numbers

Cerberus

@Vitaly Yeah I understand now.

user19161

Just because.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: Capitalising a sentence whose first word is explicitly lowercase

Possible Duplicate: Capitalization of names that begin lowercased, at the beginning of a sentence Let's say that you have a word that should be typed with leading lowercase letter. Perhaps it's a computer command. Perhaps it's an Internet nickname. I can't find any more serious example...

capitalization

Cerberus

00:25

@RegDwightѬſ道 Typing the answer took two minutes; looking it up would cost me at least ten!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2

Q: Should I change the structure of a sentence/add filler words to make sure that the sentence always starts with a capital letter?

Here is a quote from a book on C++ ("for", "while" and "do" are keywords in many languages, and in most languages they have to be in lower case. The C++ language is one of those.): Simply put, algorithm names suggest what they do. "for", "while", and "do" don't. One cannot write "For" inste...

capitalization

@Cerberus which is why I looked it up for you.

Cerberus

Thanxx!!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

The point is, it would take you zero minutes not to type the answer.

So that argument cuts both ways.

Cerberus

But typing answers is fun! And the OP likes it when we do!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

All the OP cares about is getting an answer.

If the answer already exists, all the better.

user19161

00:31

Why did I get two youtube messages in my spam?

user19161

@Cerberus What about voice recognition software? You speak and it types for you.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 No, he definitely likes it better if it is tailored specially to his question, both for the attention, and for containing only information that is relevant for him.

@JasperLoy Eh, sure!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus What's your point, again? You got your answer in, so chill.

Every time I try to save us work, you are all up in arms for no reason that I can see.

And anyhow, I am not here anyway.

I'm in bed and sleeping.

Cerberus

I have no point! I was just replying to your thingie.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Who's not here?

I just woke up!

Mahnax

@Cerberus Good morning!

Cerberus

00:36

Trying to gain ground on the sleep cycle thing.

@Mahnax Thanks!!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Quick, drink something.

Cerberus

But it's morning!

Mahnax

@Cerberus Anytime.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

You are too sober for 2 in the morning.

Cerberus

Tell me about it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

00:37

I will. In my sleep.

Cerberus

But what's a dog to do?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Seven.

The dog's to do seven.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 How fascinating.

Are you going to record your sleep-talking live for us?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yeah, those fasci are like that.

Cerberus

Will your sleep-talk include your password?

*fasces

RegDwight Ѭſ道

00:38

Will you start making sense?

@Cerberus *fascae's

Cerberus

Fucksiae.

user19161

Faeces?

user19161

Fascist?

Cerberus

I know it's fuse-ya.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@JasperLoy Well yes, that's where fascist comes from.

Cerberus

00:39

But in Dutch it is fook-si-ah.

The flower.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Fascio

Fascio, plural -sci is an Italian word literally meaning "a bundle" or "a sheaf", and figuratively league, and which was used in the late 19th century to refer to political groups of many different (and sometimes opposing) orientations. A number of nationalist fasci later evolved into the 20th century movement known as fascism. During the 19th century, the bundle of rods, in Latin called fasces and in Italian fascio, came to symbolize strength through unity, the point being that whilst each independent rod was fragile, as a bundle they were strong. By extension, the word fascio came in...

So as you can see I was using the correct Italian plural.

Cerberus

It's not Latin! Ahhh!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Unlike you, talking in a dead language, pfft.

Cerberus

shields off eyes

Latin is alive! It is spoken!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

And yeah, of course it's fuxia, cause it's named after a guy whose name was Fuchs.

Cerberus

00:41

Seriously??

RegDwight Ѭſ道

People saying fyusha are like I dunno.

Cerberus

English?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Fuchsia (color)

Fuchsia (, ) is a vivid reddish or pinkish purple color named after the flower of the fuchsia plant, itself named after the German scientist Leonhart Fuchs. Fuchsia is a synonym for magenta. There is also a somewhat redder and slightly less saturated hue termed fashion fuchsia (see below) that is used in women's fashion (it is also called Hollywood cerise). The first recorded use of fuchsia as a color name in English was in 1892. The color fuchsia There are a number of colors in the fuchsia/magenta range. Some of them are indicated below and color bands displaying the various shade...

Leonhart Fuchs

Leonhart Fuchs (17 January 1501 – 10 May 1566), sometimes spelled Leonhard Fuchs,See for example : and : was a German physician and one of the three founding fathers of botany, along with Otto Brunfels and Hieronymus Bock (also called Hieronymus Tragus). Biography Fuchs was born in Wemding in the Duchy of Bavaria. After visiting a school in Heilbronn, Fuchs went to the Marienschule in Erfurt, Thuringia at the age of twelve, and graduated as Baccalaureus artium. In 1524 he became Magister Artium in Ingolstadt, and was received doctor of medicine in the same year. From 1524-1526 h...

Cerberus

Gee, you're right.

Funny. Makes sense.

For I don't think chs exists in Greek.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yeah those Medieval scientists were like that. Making sense day in, day out.

Cerberus

00:42

Yup!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But enough talking in my sleep.

Cerberus

Why did I not know this?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

CU tomorrow.

Cerberus

Yeah, sleep well!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus Because you do not read questions on our site.

Cerberus

00:43

@RegDwightѬſ道 Guilty.

I like talking, not listening.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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A: Descriptivism and widespread misspelling

Personally, I feel that am not in a position to decide such things, so I gladly leave the decision to people whose whole job it is to make such decisions. When a respected authority known for its descriptivism (say, Merriam-Webster) starts listing "fuschia" as a legitimate alternative spelling, I...

Again, it's all right here.

Every question you can possibly think of has been answered on this site already.

Which is why I am so keen on closing dupes.

Cerberus

Don't you ever feel like just letting go?

I feel that constantly, as you know.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Careful what you wish for.

Cerberus

I didn't say it was a wish.

I was just wondering whether you were completely immune to these feelings.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

The day I feel like letting go, I let go.

I am exceptionally excellent in letting go.

Cerberus

00:46

Really? Like a piraña?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I have helped jump-start Reddit, Wikipedia, and a couple Wiktionaries. Those people haven't seen me in years.

Once I move on, I move on for good.

Cerberus

So is it more like all-or-nothing?

Mahnax

@RegDwightѬſ道 I just discovered Reddit.

Cerberus

You don't just stay at a reduced ehm presence?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus It's more like whatever-doesn't-bore-me-to-death. Du jour.

@Cerberus I always try. It never works.

Cerberus

00:48

And boredom sets in in an instant, never to dissolve?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I can't have a reduced presence on every site ever. Nobody has that much time.

Cerberus

No, but on a few?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But every site wants to be one of the few.

Cerberus

Like a nest of owl's young?

Owl youngs?

So which Wiki were you with from the beginning? DE?

I used to be quite active on NL.

Even checking blocks of anonymous edits and such.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Mar 7 '11 at 21:56, by RegDwight

Anyhow, just checking the master list of my contributions, I see af, arz, be, bg, cv, de, el, en, es, fr, gu, he, hu, hy, id, io, is, it, ja, ko, lt, ml, nah, nl, no, pl, ro, ru, simple, sl, sr, tet, tr, uk, vi, zh, zh-min-nan, commons and meta.

Again, every question you can think of has been answered already. :P

Cerberus

00:50

I'm also wondering whether Wiki will ever implement some kind of "approved version".

@RegDwightѬſ道 Yeah, but I meant the ones where you have seriously contributed lost of articles.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus the German and the English ones have had it for years now.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Really??

Where?

Is there a button I missed?

Actually it should be "peer reviewed" by several people to get "approved" status.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Wikipedia:Nagelopen versies

Om de kwaliteit van artikelen op de Nederlandse Wikipedia doorlopend te verzekeren wordt ernaar gestreefd dat alle artikelen uiteindelijk een nagelopen versie hebben. Hoewel alle versies van een artikel op te vragen zijn, ziet de lezer normaal gesproken de laatste nagelopen versie. Dit voorkomt dat meteen zichtbaar wordt. De lezer moet er echter rekening mee houden dat ook voor een nagelopen versie geldt dat Wikipedia geen garantie biedt dat de gegeven informatie juist is. De status van een artikel kan in de rechterbovenhoek worden aangegeven met de volgende symbolen: : Geeft aan dat he...

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Interesting...but I don't see any of those icons!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I have no idea how far NL is. I don't see any hints in article histories, for example.

Cerberus

00:56

I don't see any on English Wiki either?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Do you see it here? de.wikipedia.org/w/…

Cerberus

Nope.

I've tried it logged in and logged out.

I don't remember ever seeing those icons.

Could it be Noscript?

I don't see it in IE either.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus nah, the icons are in the articles proper.

I am talking about revision history.

No icons there, but written notes.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 I checked the article proper too: no icons.

@RegDwightѬſ道 And gesichted means it is an approved version?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well the icon only appears if the current version is not safe, IIRC.

Cerberus

01:01

"Automatisch", even?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Otherwise it would just confuse everyone.

@Cerberus Well that's a bot.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Don't you guys ever sleep?

Cerberus

So what does "gesichted" entail, then?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

To gain bot status you have to jump through all kinds of hoops, so once it's up and running it's assumed to be safe.

Cerberus

But what does it mean?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

01:03

@Cerberus right now not much. I think right now it's just one wikipedian in good standing reviewing the edit and saying that it's fine.

Cerberus

OK.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

For real quality assurance, you've got Good Articles and Excellent Articles.

Or whatever they are called.

Cerberus

Well, that is something; but it is hardly the same thing, and edits have been checked by experienced users since forever.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I'm trying, but this other guy right here is a cheater. He's had his share of sleep and prevents me from having mine.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 The point is rather that someones one might like to just browse the encyclopaedia and just view pages that have actually gone through some process that ensures they do not contain (m)any mistakes and are generally of good quality. They don't need to be extensive or contain pictures, as the featured articles. I bet there are different criteria for those.

Vitaly

01:06

hey, the Russian Wiki has that инкубатор thing. does the English Wiki have something similar, but specifically tailored for pineapples? so that a pineapple could translate something into English and then get it reviewed by native speakers before it's posted into the main article space

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Trying to move my sleep cycle forward to synch with normal people.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Vitaly you can always just create an article in your personal folder and then invite people to review it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus What you need is a time machine

RegDwight Ѭſ道

People do that a lot.

Cerberus

D'oh!

Vitaly

01:07

meh, that's still a workaround.

Cerberus

If you will build me one, I will happily take place in the cabin.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

They create articles in User:Cerberus/Latin_Wasn't_Even_A_Language and then post it for review.

Cerberus

Silence!!

Vitaly

you would think a Wiki as large as the English Wiki would have a streamlined process

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Who knows. they might.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

01:08

@Cerberus If you read HP:MoR you'd get the joke

Cerberus

Oh.

It seemed pretty clear?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I didn't even know about the Russian thing until you mentioned it a minute ago.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Since you're never going to read it, I'll spoil it if you want

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But now I'm out. Seriously.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 No freehand lines.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

01:09

Night all!

Vitaly

Haha. And for your information, the Russian Wiki, too, has approved articles. They are called отпатрулированные. :PPP

Night.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 By the way, I don't see anything like gesichted on EN.

Bye!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Vitaly that is one hideous term.

Cerberus

What does it mean, you little prescriptivist?

BRB

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 There was a user called time machine.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

01:10

Wikipedia:Flagged revisions/Sighted versions

This proposal is for the introduction of a system whereby users who are not logged in may be presented with a different version of an article than users who are. Articles are validated that they are presentable and free from . The approved versions are known as Sighted versions. All logged-in users will continue to see and edit the most recent version of a page. Users who are not logged in will initially see the most recent sighted version, if there is one. If no version is sighted, they see the most recent one, as happens now. Users looking at a sighted version can still choose to v...

> This is a failed proposal. Consensus in its favor was not established within a reasonable period of time. If you want to revive discussion, please use the talk page or initiate a thread at the village pump.

So looks like the Germans implemented it, but on en: it failed.

Funneh.

Cerberus

Ooohhh...

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Poufffff!

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 I am SO surprised that the Germans implemented this.

They just love having their things organized and secured!

Vitaly

hpmor.com

Wow, really.

Excellent. No more of that “fanfiction” in the URL. Makes trapping unwary labradoodles even easier. Like this:

@Cerberus hpmor.com/chapter/1 :P

Cerberus

01:27

Heh.

> * Trigger warnings page (warnings about possible traumatic associations for some readers; to avoid spoilers for most readers, there are no warnings inside the main story);

Vitaly

Huh, what?

Cerberus

> But please keep in mind that, beyond the realm of science, the views of the characters may not be those of the author. Not everything the protagonist does is a lesson in wisdom, and advice offered by darker characters may be untrustworthy or dangerously double-edged.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Vitaly Probably a warning in case a reader has had a particularly traumatic deconversion from irrational thinking to rational thinking, like what H did to D at one point.

Cerberus

@Vitaly 's On your page.

Spare Oom

01:58

@Vitaly What does it mean, a mirror?

Vitaly

Mirror (computing)

In computing, a mirror is an exact copy of a data set. On the Internet, a mirror site is an exact copy of another Internet site. Mirror sites are most commonly used to provide multiple sources of the same information, and are of particular value as a way of providing reliable access to large downloads. Mirroring is a type of file synchronization. A live mirror is automatically updated as soon as the original is changed. Reasons Mirroring of sites occurs for a variety of reasons. * To preserve a website or page, especially when it is closed or is about to be closed. * To allow faster ...

Spare Oom

I was hoping there had been an update.

Theta30

02:49

<--drinks Dutch beer

Cerberus

Good!

Which beer?

Theta30

Grolsch

from Enschede

it's good

Robusto

Grolsch is pretty-boy beer. Give me Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA any day.

Cerberus

Grolsch is good.

My family is originally from that region.

Vitaly

> He says that in multi-national meetings, Anglo-Saxons stand out as strange because they cling to their original language instead of using the elementary English adopted by colleagues from other countries. Their florid phraseology and grammatical complexities are often incomprehensible, said Nerriere, who added: "One thing you never do in Globish is tell a joke."

Cerberus

03:02

Seemed like a good opportunity to post a picture of the little cottage we still have there.

@Vitaly What kinds of meetings are those?

Vitaly

in War Metal Tyrant, Aug 18 '11 at 12:15, by Cerberus

Cerberus

@Vitaly I know. I post it whenever I can.

It's on my Facebook so it's always within easy reach.

Vitaly

@Cerberus business meetings, i presume. i googled how the english wikipedia deals with pineapples and went down a bunch of rabbit trails, as it happens

Cerberus

@Vitaly Well, I am very glad I will never, ever have to attend such horrible meetings.

Those non-native speakers should just learn a bit of English. Understanding jokes is much easier than making them, and you don't need to get it right every time to use language creatively.

Vitaly

yeah, well, i hope i am not speaking globish! so it's 7 AM—time for breakfast—gotta go to the room where you cook food. or was that the kitchen? AFK, anyway.

Robusto

03:13

@Reg, @Vit, @Cer, @Vit: New war.

Cerberus

@Vitaly How very poetic! So do you actually consider your meals breakfast, lunch, etc. just because you eat them at conventional times, but disregarding their actual position in your daily rhythm? I never know what to call 'em. And, no, you're certainly not speaking Globish, or, rather, Simple English. Or Newspeak: that resembles it quite a bit.

@Robusto I will lose anyway.

Robusto

@Cerberus Don't be a defeatist.

Cerberus

Easier said than done.

Robusto

Well, I attacked destroying birds. I'm spent. We need more firepower. Do the math.

@Cerberus If you like a weak lager in a pretty bottle, it's just fine.

Cerberus

I just don't like sweet beers.

All of the darker beers I know are too sweet.

@Robusto Okay, I quit after three losses.

I really hate everything about it.

Sorry.

Robusto

03:33

@Cerberus No problem.

Cerberus

It was different before Refresh.

Vitaly

I have just tallied up my Homeworld rares. It appears I spent 2220K gold on Homeworld packs alone. And yet, I use none of those cards. Sheesh.

Cerberus

03:52

Wow.

That is a lot of money.

Vitaly

Ancient Fusion 4 gives 413 gold for 25 energy. At an almost 100% winrate.

Cerberus

Nice.

Cerberus

04:48

Ugh, internet problems.

I was disconnected for about 1-15 minutes.

But it's working again.

Mahnax

Hello everyone!

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