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8:03 PM
Now what size do I need? M? L? Why isn't there a "just what fits me" button? :P
 
@NathanOsman
 
user136984
This Stack Overflow podcast is so funny! They get called by a hilariously stupid cold caller half way through ! :D
 
@KazWolfe NO.
And George would say it more strongly.
 
Like I said, it's better than it used to be.
But I'll keep using Python and Go for the web, thank-you.
 
8:11 PM
but Python contains two letters of PHP
 
GASP
ILUMINATE CUNFERMD
 
blasphemy
 
Hmm... let's pick L and hope for the best. Better too big than too small.
 
sigh . . . It doesn't matter how much time Serg has. The amount of homework not done remains const
 
8:13 PM
<-- knows exactly how ^ feels
@Serg I believe you should watch youtube.com/watch?v=arj7oStGLkU
To learn about the instant gratification monkey and it's enemy, the panic monster.
 
NO
 
@KazWolfe Btw that reminds me of this:
And why no? What no?
 
GODDAMMIT my dog is eating my lunch
i stepped away for just a minute
/facepalm
 
hey everybody
 
8:26 PM
hi
@Zacharee1 on topic : youtube.com/watch?v=lQtrmjubfEo
 
I have a maybe very noobish question, but networks have never been my strong suit
 
Dang, wifi broke right when submitting the Hacktoberfest tshirt order.
 
maybe someone here knows it, I have received a hostname (looks like an website adress) , a port and a username+password now how do I ssh into it?
 
No idea whether it already went through or not.
Let's wait 10 minutes for a confirmation email and if none arrives, I'll try again :-/
 
@ByteCommander do they have email confirmations for orders ?
 
8:29 PM
I think so, but dunno.
 
@ByteCommander maybe check to see if your bank has received the order
 
@Thijser ssh user@hostname -p port
 
There are not really any useful links about their policies etc.
@Thijser Hacktoberfest Tshirt --> free
I just wonder what they wanted my phone number for...
 
$ ssh xieerqi@localhost -p 22
Password:
THIS IS A TEST
You have new mail.
Hi, i'm ~/.profile
 
ah it' s -p got it
 
8:33 PM
Hmm, seems like the problem is not my wifi but their server not responding...
 
@NathanOsman so I randomly found out that gedit supports printing with syntax highlighting.
 
What's this "printing" stuff everyone is talking about? ;-)
 
Seems like ti has been a browser issue. Submitted the order in CHromium and got a confirmation email.
 
great I have access to the cluster!
 
Looking forward to get my free T-shirt within the next weeks.
Oh, good evening (@) Fabby
 
8:38 PM
At work I went through the entire rigmarole to give an award to someone and it took the company 2 months to get it to him...
 
Did you get a nice tshirt?
 
So don't get your hopes up to get a free t-shirt in a couple of weeks... :D
;-) :P
 
@Serg yikes
 
@Thijser I ordered it, should be delivered early to mid November according to the site.
 
But is it *nice*?
 
8:41 PM
Hacktoberfest 2016
 
wow I get great download speeds on the cluster (downloaded 5 gB in less then 4 seconds)
 
@Zacharee1 yup. We thought Apple products are overpriced in the US. They're even more overpriced in EU
 
:O
wants that connection for at home
 
Apple is going to kill itself
 
That would be good news, but I doubt it.
 
8:45 PM
well more competition is always good
 
The company is just giving Microsoft and HP business at this point
 
I think apple has a place in the market for the elderly which is poorly served by windows (just look at the rate of change between windows xp-7-8-10)
 
@Zacharee1 Not Apple in general. Its leadership.
 
and Linux still either requires someone knowledgable to set up or maintain
 
Hopefully with time, Linux will become much easier for general public. I look at chromebooks and chrome OS as potential players in the game.
I mean, their hardware is fairly cheap, OS is stable and secure for the most part
 
user136984
8:47 PM
Just fed my hamsters some peas and you should have seen their little fat faces! :D
 
It definitely has gotten easier but for the time being it at least requires an expert to pick a version that is easy to use and you still require some skill to install.
 
But again we have a big company with its fingers deep inside it.
No thanks.
 
@ByteCommander Canonical also is a big company. So ? That's the whole point of economics - you need investments
 
You need a big company to introduce linux to the masses, nothing wrong with that. Once someone has gained some skill they can go for the more difficult OSses.
 
Before I appreciate MS, Google or Apple nowadays, I'd rather exclusively use Gentoo or something like that.
 
8:49 PM
@Thijser exactly my words :)
 
And Canonical is still one of the companies I personally find most trustworthy in these days.
Hopefully they'll not disenthrall me.
 
they have had a few very iffy moments such as with the whole amazon thing
 
But they learned and now the amazon search is opt-in.
It was never difficult or hidden to opt-out though.
 
yes but it did require one to realize that a lot of data (entire search history) was basically being pumped into the amazon search machine which was less then ideal
 
indeed, but it was pretty transparent what happened and how to turn it off all the time, I think.
 
8:52 PM
But everybody screws up once in a while and canonical hasn't made that much of a habit of it so far
 
Now look at Windows, you can't even turn updates off any more.
 
Let me put it like this: if anyone is interested for making Linux on desktop succeed, that's Canonical , Google, and maybe Red Hat and Novell ( with SUSE and OpenSUSE ). There's other players too. IBM, Oracle - those guys have potential and money , but they are far more interested in Linux for cloud and enterprise
 
@Thijser most elderly I know have HP or Lenovo :p
 
It' s only when a habit of this kind of thing begins to show that I really begin to distrust a company
 
MS just has the privilege to install whatever update (read: any arbitrary new software) without confirmation or even notice,
 
8:54 PM
@ByteCommander Apple only allows deferment of upgrades too, either by not giving tge option to decline or by forcing the update by making apps "incompatible"
 
@Zacharee1 I got my grandma a little " no brand" laptop with an ssd, a modified kubuntu OS ext. for 300 euro. It just requires someone to put in the effort.
 
But Canonical went in the right direction and made Amazon search opt-out, unlike the others who just collect more and more data and restrict their users further as well.
@Zacharee1 I am not putting Apple too far above Microsoft in my personal trustworthness ranking therefore though. And for other reasons.
 
anyone got a little weight for the enter key? Someone decided to limit the speed by which I can skip through their EULA and after 5 minutes I'm only at 10%
 
hahaha
 
o.O
This is torture.
 
8:56 PM
Well at least I know I'm not allowed to use their technology to commit acts of terror
 
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4M and install something proper.
 
Keeping my eyes peeled for the words " human centipede"
 
See if they've hidden some fun stuff
 
Those provisions in this Agreement, which by their nature need
to survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement,
shall survive termination or expiration of the Agreement.
Sounds a bit tautological
 
This is advocates porn.
 
9:00 PM
wat ?
how did the conversation start from Macbooks and went to porn ?
 
Those legal texts that are so full of legal clauses that they lose every sense to normal human beings.
That's like erotic literature for advocates.
 
The parties agree that in the event
Licensee or licence holder provides Feedback (as defined below) to the
other party on how to design, implement, or improve the
SOFTWARE or Licensee's product(s) for use with the SOFTWARE
wait I'm obliged to give them feedback?
 
@Serg It's like cable porn for electricians.
 
@ByteCommander now switch cable #121 with #412
 
@ByteCommander breathes deeply . . . yeah, looks . . goood
 
user136984
9:05 PM
Does anyone know how to make a deb file?
 
user136984
I have the source and all the files it needs for the packaging there, but I just need to check if a patch worked in the way I applied it.
 
@Thijser This will make your sysadmin take out the BDSM equipment...
only for you, of course.
 
user136984
I am sure that you just run a command or two, but I just can't remember what they are.
 
I never packaged anything.
 
@ParanoidPanda ask Nathan. He knows how to make debs. Or Seth
 
Google results for "Python Porn" don't produce anything . . . .remotely close to programming
 
I would have expected that - and don't try it.
 
Too late - I already did . . .
 
9:09 PM
"cableporn" is probably the only safe search keyword - or at least one of very few.
 
Sure that' s not going to get you same very kinky stuff?
 
I promise.
 
maybe only if you include a space
 
doesn't ddg default to safe search = on?
 
9:12 PM
It does. But that isn't perfect either.
 
gosh i need new glasses
 
user136984
@Thijser Thanks! :)
 
you wear glasses?
Didn't know that, did I?
 
@ParanoidPanda my pleasure!
Can someone give nvidia a new set of servers? I want to to put the eight gigabit connection to use again but they are only giving me 16 megabit
 
Reminds me of Linus Torvald's finger...
^_^
 
9:21 PM
@ByteCommander I guess they weren't very noticeable when i used to have my actual picture as avatar. But yes, i do wear glasses. My vission is sort of bad - stuff starts getting blurry at 30 cm ( or 1' for us American folks ) distance
 
Well the software I'm downloading has a requirement that it can only be used on linux so ....
 
Hmm... I'm sorry.
 
:) nothing to be sorry about. That's the result of me watching too much TV and eventually spending too much time behind computah
But as far as glasses go, they have scratched lenses, so that's why i need new ones.
 
@Serg wait my vision only becomes sharp at around 20cm. Do you only have 10cm of sharp vission?
 
@Thijser no, 30 cm. I mean at like 30 cm, things start loosing sharpness.
I'm near-sighted
 
9:30 PM
yes but if you vission is only sharp up to 30cm and you probably also lose soem of that distance to the first (for me 20 cm) then you can only really see sharp for 10 cm distance right?
 
scratching my head . . . probably ? I dunno. I'm no vision expert
 
just put a ruler to your eye and see what is the lowest and highest number you can read
 
Just look what you see and you'll see how it looks.
 
But we need to put numbers on it so we know how bad to feel for him
 
Erm... do we?
 
9:33 PM
yes that's how we can differentiate the truly unfortunate to those that just had a bit of bad luck or life choices.
 
nitpicking
Awesome heavy metal ballad:
 
hmm, actually . . . I just measured the distance at which I could clearly read my handwriting. That was 2 feet before it started getting fuzzy
So . . . 60 cm actually
 
Sorry we cannot objectively feel sorry for you.
 
But the shortest distance apparently was 7 - 8 inches, which is like 20 cm
 
wait 20 cm -start to become readable - 40 cm of readable - stops being readable?
because that's 40 cm of usable sight
in which case we can feel sorry for you again
 
9:38 PM
-___- how about we don't feel sorry for me at all ?
 
no if you have less then 50cm of clear vission we have to feel sorry for you it' s in the rules somewhere
 
O_o
 
it's getting strange now...
 
strangeness is irrelevant to our goal
 
@ByteCommander those cables do look good
just got back from the place I went to visit
it is in the "no" list
 
9:47 PM
It's bloody almost 4 pm in the afternoon. I had 3 days before it to do stuff . . . .shiz
 
It' s nearly 11 pm here and I only just started the compiler
 
the dude is not organized, I was interested in an individual room (which is what he announced) and he said there's a guy who talked to him so I'd need to share. Note that the individual room was 700, and he wants each one to pay 450 to share
he probably didn't know I can do math
no place to store my motorcycle
man, I'm starting to get worried
haha
 
@IanC are there other options to look into?
 
Reminds me of some of the rooms that some of my fellow computer science students had in our freshman year
 
I talked to a woman renting a room, which is on hold, there is a sort of a frat I was about to close the deal with, but the dudes there are taking a bit too long to give me an answer
 
9:55 PM
With the smallest being 1.8 square meter and the largest being 700 square meter
 
I prefer not to think of housing right now. Less upsetting that way
 
but there are not maaany options, I'm trying to find others though
 
TIL you can bind-mount something to itself.
that feels... wrong.
 
what would that be good for?
 
i have a Windows partition.
 
10:03 PM
Hey guys I'm going to sleep
 
And inside that, I have my Windows user profile.
 
bye everybody!
 
good night thijser
 
good night @Thijser
 
So, I can keep my Windows partition owned by me, and my system owned by the system.
 
10:03 PM
bye Thijser
 
(yeah i could just chmod 777 my entire windows partition, but things like git fail because of no chmod power)
(I guess i could also just chown the entire mountpoint, but that opens the possibility for accidental errors. so, just mounting my userspace as owned by me through a bind-to-self is a good alternative)
 
@KazWolfe erm... chown on the mountpoint won't help much
@KazWolfe why not change the permissions in the mount options?
 
lol
 
@ThomasWard no, but i can set uid and gid.
 
10:09 PM
@KazWolfe that also doesn't help if root ultimately has to do the mounting, unless you're using a mountpoint in fstab the system can and likely will change perms on those mount points
 
i can change perms in mount options, but every file is owned by root which is not good. i had all files at 777 before, which was not a good idea for lots of reasons.
 
@KazWolfe bzzt wrong, mount -o uid=youruserid,gid=yourgroupid,... -t ...
 
@ByteCommander so I have permissions to execute anyone who's drunk?
 
@ThomasWard and then i own the entire /win32 path.
 
@KazWolfe Which, oddly enough, is how my Windows partitions are automounted
@KazWolfe i think a better question is this:
 
10:10 PM
and i don't want to own all of that.
like i don't want to own all of /.
 
why the hell are you messing with trying to permission out a Windows drive?
because you can't do taht sanely in a *nix env.
 
No, doing chmod 777 is like drinking vodka. First it seems to solve your problem, but you'll soon wake up with a massive headache. @Zacharee1
12
 
(all-or-nothing, really)
 
self-bind is sane and does things right so... i'm good now :D
actually, no, selfbind is not sane but my system isn't dead so....
point is, now only my userdirs are under my control, which is good. And, I don't own all of /win32, which is good. So, everything's good.
 
@ThomasWard did you see the edit ?
 
10:12 PM
bbl
 
@ByteCommander nice quote
 
@Serg "the Edit"? Be specific i'm stuck on an evil interface for seeing chat.
 
@ByteCommander lol
 
@Zacharee1, I really tried some of the palletes on the website you showed me, didn't find a good one yet :/
 
@Serg Not a quote, I made that up myself.
 
10:13 PM
do you have any color ideas?
 
If anybody had said that before already, that's pure coincidence.
 
@ByteCommander well, now it will be a quote . . .of you . . .forever stuck on the Star Wall for posterity to see and learn
 
woohoo
@IanC black
 
so, @ThomasWard, i have a way to do it without all-or-nothing, at least to a sane level.
 
@ByteCommander that's the current layout I have:
https://i.stack.imgur.com/ainjc.png
 
10:14 PM
And I said BBL, so BBL.
 
I do like the neutral colors idea
 
@IanC did you change the colors since last time though?
 
@ThomasWard I'm referring to my answer this morning about the longest-shortest record askubuntu.com/q/843879/295286
 
it looks different
 
black, grey, white
@Zacharee1 no, I just took away the gradient from the nav-bar and placed it in the middle
 
10:15 PM
@IanC also, does this have a public address?
 
@Serg That's not me.
you can note that since my username shows my whole name
not just my last name abbreviated.
 
not yet, I don't have a server to host it :/
 
@Serg so no I didn't see your edit - that wasn't me.
 
Wasn't it in the past ThomasW. ?
 
@Serg usernames aren't history-locked, they adapt to username changes
click the user's name, you'll see 67 rep
that ain't me
 
10:16 PM
@Zacharee1 I tried the green/lime combination, didn't look good, I was thinking maybe something with dark purple and black
 
@ThomasWard nub
 
or neutral colors like @ByteCommander suggested, black, white and grey
 
@IanC lemme give you some color codes
 
@ThomasWard I know and already checked that user. I mean, wasn't your username ThomasW in the past , before you became a mod-hammer operator ?
 
@Serg he was Thomas W.
 
10:17 PM
@Serg I changed my name slightly before mod hammer yes, but that doesn't make it a name I can lock down
@Serg there are many Thomas W* in the world
 
Yup, that's the confusion . . . I really wasn't paying attention to your username changes, so your old one stuck in my memory. That's how I confused you and that user
 
by the way, I brainstormed a bit today and came up with an idea for the nav-bar, Article will open a submenu when clicked with two options: By Date and By Tags (the blog would have some tags like "C" "JavaScript" "Ruby")
 
@Serg just look for the diamond
 
the script to open the submenu is basically ready, I just need to make the definitive one and submit a commit
 
@Serg if it's not a diamond-powered user, and no diamond in my name on the post, then it's not me
 
user136984
10:19 PM
Goodnight! :)
 
Yup. That's what I should have noticed, but I didn't . . .
 
user136984
And happy Halloween to all those celebrating it! ;)
 
@IanC try these colors:

#FF5722 for the background of the title area and navbar
#F44336 for the border
#D32F2F for that bar below the title area
 
Happy Halloweeeeeeeeen
 
user136984
Which started off as a rather peaceful thing to do with giving offerings to the dead but then was hijacked. :P
 
10:20 PM
So . . . nobody "dressed up" avatars except me ?
um . . . well that's an interesting role reversal . . . usually the situation outside of internet is that somebody shows up not-dressed to a costume party . . .
 
@Serg One could also say those guys are dressed up the whole year.
 
@Zacharee1
What do you think? Better than the orange/yellow layour?
(never mind the body background, I'd have to use some different image to fit the new colors)
 
@Serg i'm already half-human/half-wolf. what more do you want?
 
@KazWolfe guy fawkes mask would be nice
 
@IanC round the corners of the body, so that it's consistent with the navbar
 
10:31 PM
yay, found my spare glasses
except they're too strong
make me feel uncomfy
 
@Zacharee1
 
OK, it's better
 
Funny, the browser renders the colors a little lighter than the gimp image
 
yeah...
that's web for ya
Try #FFCCBC
instead of the dark red
 
@Zacharee1 like this?
 
10:40 PM
@IanC the browser should render colors exactly the same.
I'm wondering though if this might be the result of colorspace conversion.
Was it a JPEG image?
 
exported to PNG
on the default gimp options, maybe it screwed the colors?
 
welp, i think it's time to buy new glasses
 
@NathanOsman I thought the reason for web safe colors was because colors tend to render differently for people
these aren't web safe colors :p
 
@Serg I don't know how but I passed you for month!
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix how is very simple - I don't answer as much as in the past lately :)
 
10:46 PM
I was amazed how you dug out C code for "uniq" question.
I wouldn't even know where to find it.
@Serg anyway it was just a game this month, next month I'll go back to normal low points
 
so today is an evil night
and i'm on 'red alert' defense mode.
@JourneymanGeek So do I, it's my ringtone for certain people.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix apt-get source coreutils :) that's where the source code is
 
I'll have to yank out the 1TB out of the old laptop and start getting some source dl
@Serg How many gb for everything--kernel, ubuntu, systemd, etc.
 
kernel itself isnt that big in size, i think a few MB
 
it's 5 million lines of code I think...
 
10:51 PM
let me check coreutils
$ du -sh /home/xieerqi/bin/src/coreutils-8.21/
57M	/home/xieerqi/bin/src/coreutils-8.21/
57 Megabytes . Ain't that bad
 
Heck no... I can be lazy and leave the 1TB in the old laptop, cause this one has 500+240+128 :D, um GB...
I'm keen to start looking through Ubuntu code too... have you done that yet?
 
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix "ubuntu code" is comprised of several hundred packages. :P
 
@Zacharee1 what about black, grey and white?
 
try it
oh
 
10:54 PM
@ThomasWard so you mean like network manager is a different directory?
 
it's on the picture, I think I might have to find a better balance
but I liked the nav-bar
 
@IanC like people told me with my dark script, stay away from #000. Try something like #191919;
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix yep. And a completely different set of source code.
 
@ThomasWard I'd probably start by looking at system settings, especially suspend function.
@Serg how the hell are you going to intercept the maximize button and change screen size for it? in xorg?
 
@Zacharee1 yup, completely black looks a bit odd. I think neutral colors are in the right direction though, I like it, but it's not exactly how I want it yet
the nav-bar is great IMHO, but the rest is a little off
 

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