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mbomb007
mbomb007
2:03 PM
@TuxCopter That's not all that's different. In fact, the only colors that are the same are in Kirby, which I pasted on top from my previous avatar.
The warp star and the streams behind it are all different colors than they were, mostly darker.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
@Lembik so long I think I might kill it :p
 
Lembik
Lembik
@JonathanAllan ah
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@PhiNotPi I got a response from my uncle (it took a while, due to needing to clarify):
So I'd have do some more research about a specific metric custom built for ranks across games but my first attempt would be to take the within player mean absolute deviation for each player and then combine those in an average to minimize and a standard deviation to account for the noise of the system. It may not be directly targeted at ranks but it should be directional to both the minimization of noise and the confidence that the noise has been minimized.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
in seconds... 7: 0.03; 8:0.27; 9:2.9;10:30
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
so very close to what I was indicating earlier :)
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:16 PM
what language is 05AB1E based on?
@JonathanAllan interesting
@JonathanAllan you can make it fast for the follow up challenge :)
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
my guess wouold be ~637 K years
not using that method no
:p
 
Lembik
Lembik
@JonathanAllan there are two faster algorithms
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
based on Python
 
Lembik
Lembik
both still slow :) but faster
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:18 PM
oh..thanks!
 
Emigna
Emigna
I was happily surprised that 05AB1E supported complex numbers. Never used them before in golf so I wasn't sure it did :)
 
Lembik
Lembik
@Emigna :) It's really amazingly compact
given what it is doing
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
Cant for the life of me work out how to piece it together in Jelly, but it's surely possible in less than 20
 
Lembik
Lembik
how it supports complex numbers is a mystery too :)
Time to call Dennis ? :)
 
Emigna
Emigna
Jelly will definitely beat my solution.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
2:21 PM
J gets range of length, and Œ! gets all permutations for a start
 
Emigna
Emigna
You should crack this Cops when you have time Jonathan ;)
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
Never saw that
 
Emigna
Emigna
Is there something in Jelly that could be used like "rotate by index"?
 
Zgarb
Zgarb
@Dennis Could you pull Jellyfish, please?
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
what do you mean "by index"?
rotate left by is an atom
 
Emigna
Emigna
2:24 PM
as in, iterate over the matrix and rotate each row by its index in the matrix (list of lists)
might not be the best way but I'm sure it'll be shorter than mine
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
you could enumerate and apply rotate dyadicaly (cant spell)
or rotate for each in range(len)
 
Emigna
Emigna
yeah, enumerate, copy, rotate one left by index, one right by index, zip, product, sum
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
probably the latter
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Zgarb Done.
 
Zgarb
Zgarb
Thanks!
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
2:28 PM
Ah he's here to get it in 8...
 
Dennis
Dennis
@ASCII-only Done.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
Moning :)
 
Dennis
Dennis
Morning.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
*mornnnnmmmmming
 
Lembik
Lembik
heeeello
I assume everyone was up watching Trump .... :)
 
Dennis
Dennis
2:32 PM
@Emigna ṙ"J$ would achieve that.
 
Lembik
Lembik
@Emigna I just read the explanation.. It's just really clever and fast the way you did that
 
Emigna
Emigna
@Lembik Just wait until you see Jonathan or Dennis do it in Jelly :)
 
Lembik
Lembik
to make the fastest code version I need to give a way to create random matrices I think so people can test their code
@Emigna :)
not quite sure of the best way to do that
maybe I should stick to integer valued matrices for that?
10!
it's too much :)
 
Dennis
Dennis
Might be golfable. I just woke up.
 
Lembik
Lembik
:) good morning
 
Dennis
Dennis
2:37 PM
What's good about a morning that begins with waking up? :P
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
I was staring at the IDE just thinking "how, how???"
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Lembik Could you include test cases of higher order? I've never worked with permanents, but some approaches that work with determinant fail as soon as you get to 4x4 matrices.
 
Lembik
Lembik
@Dennis sure
 
mbomb007
mbomb007
When you've been on PPCG so long, you've forgotten your actual job:
 
Lembik
Lembik
@Dennis done
 
Dennis
Dennis
2:43 PM
Thanks!
 
mbomb007
mbomb007
@MitchSchwartz No. If it floats, it's a duck, so it's made of wood and therefore a witch. Good content has weight and would sink to the bottom.
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
@mbomb007 Creed is the best
 
quartata
quartata
I just realize that literally everything that's wrong with browsers and JS today is Microsoft's fault
 
mbomb007
mbomb007
@DJMcMayhem He's great, but I think Dwight is my favorite.
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
@quartata Go on...
 
mbomb007
mbomb007
2:46 PM
@quartata the browser that must not be named (Internet Explorer)
 
quartata
quartata
They crippled Java applets with legal and technical issues, refused to support JS sanely, lagged behind for years on HTML5 and forced IE onto everyone who used Windows
 
mbomb007
mbomb007
@quartata Don't forget Silverlight.
 
quartata
quartata
All of the complicated modules and tech JS devops have created was really just to deal with that
Damn. How depressing
 
Geobits
Geobits
@mbomb007 Why not? I've been trying to for a long time ;)
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
my guess of 8 was close huh?
 
mbomb007
mbomb007
2:50 PM
@quartata What is with your avatar? It somehow still looks like Pikachu when it's small...
or Pichu?
 
quartata
quartata
Spooky Halloween pichu vomited up by an overtrained convolutional neural network
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
@Dennis Better than not waking up, though, yeah?
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Lembik Not sure how S0 is defined, so what is the permanent of the empty matrix?
 
feersum
feersum
There's 1 permutation of length 0, empty product is 1, so the answer is 1, no?
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
@Dennis the empty product is 1
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
2:56 PM
@quartata I don't know if this is really true. There are gazillions of JS libraries because JS has a terrible standard library
 
quartata
quartata
That's true also but a lot of the modules JS has are build tools and the like
I'm talking about things like React, Bower, Gulp/Grunt, Babel, etc.
 
Dennis
Dennis
@JonathanAllan Of course it is, but I'm not so sure about the domain of the sum. I guess that means that all current answers are invalid.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
right, but often you need a bunch of that because you need a bunch of modules to replace your standard library
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
Mathematica returns indeterminate for 0^0 though (which would be 1 by the empty product) so I guess it's still up for debate
Mathematica Pemanent[N[{}]] returns 0
TBH 0 probably makes more sense since its an empty sum of empty products
 
feersum
feersum
It's not an empty sum. There's 1 term.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
3:03 PM
there is?
 
feersum
feersum
0! = 1. There's 1 permutation of the empty list.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
so Mathematica is wrong :p
 
Poke
Poke
we've had this discussion before >.>
if i could understand how the heck chat search worked...
 
Dennis
Dennis
I'm not even sure how to represent an empty matrix with lists. Is it [] or [[]]?
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
None :p
 
feersum
feersum
3:06 PM
[[]] would be 1x0
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Dennis I'd argue []
ninja'd
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
I would opt for [] over [[]]
 
feersum
feersum
I do remember a discussion about the impossibility of representing 0xN matrix with lists...
 
Poke
Poke
Aug 16 at 14:26, by Poke
There are mathematical arguments that 0^0==1
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
since [x] would be 1 by 1
 
Dennis
Dennis
3:07 PM
@JonathanAllan But then the depth is wrong.
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
yep
1 min ago, by Jonathan Allan
None :p
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
what's an empty matrix? Obviously 0x0 is empty, but is 1x0 empty? What about 0x1?
 
Poke
Poke
Aug 16 at 17:12, by Poke
For anyone who was part of our 0^0 discussion earlier: IEEE Standard
@El'endiaStarman Your chat search thing is infinitely more helpful than SE chat search. Thanks
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
see, its impossible for 0x0, 1x0, and 0x1 to all have different list representations
 
Dennis
Dennis
Well, I left a comment.
If we need to handle the empty matrix, you should add it as a test case. The fact that you cannot really represent the 0x0 matrix with lists makes this a bit difficult. Personally, I'd just remove that requirement. — Dennis ♦ 9 mins ago
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
3:14 PM
@NathanMerrill Sure. It's clearly [[]], [[]], and [[]], respectively. :p
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
lol
what's 0x2, then?
if you say [[],[]], then wouldn't 0x0 be []?
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
[[ ]]
2
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
In Perl what are the lambdas using * as an argument called (e.g. my &code = * + 2 to add 2 to an argument)?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
lol
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Which is different than 2x0, because that's [[ ]].
 
Geobits
Geobits
3:17 PM
2x0=0=0x0, so it's just []
 
quartata
quartata
@Cyoce Uh... is this Perl 6?
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
@quartata Yes.
 
quartata
quartata
OK. I was wondering because I had never heard of any such thing
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
See, that one [[ ]], while this one [[ ]]. Not the same. You see the difference.
 
quartata
quartata
I've never worked with Perl 6 really
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
3:18 PM
> my &code = * + 2
{ ... }
> code(3)
5
 
Geobits
Geobits
Is there a special name for them? I thought it was just syntax for currying.
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
hey
 
quartata
quartata
Yeah, I think it's just partial application
 
Geobits
Geobits
I mean, perlies might have a cool name for it, but nothing I know. They do like to name things though.
 
quartata
quartata
*perl 6 weirdos
Perl 5 folk are perfectly normal
Not biased
I do have to say though, Perl 6 is a really weird language. Almost stranger than Haskell.
I understand the appeal but
 
feersum
feersum
3:29 PM
Why is it even called Perl? It has seemingly little relation...
 
Poke
Poke
because programming languages are gems and we shouldn't forget that
 
Geobits
Geobits
Spoken like a brainwashed ruby fan.
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
Idea: Rename Perl 6 to Saphir
 
Poke
Poke
well i mean if you're going to use a scripting language it may as well be ruby
 
Geobits
Geobits
@TuxCopter Rename Perl <=5 to Nacre, and use Perl for 6+
 
Poke
Poke
3:31 PM
ha
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
ḣȧ
 
Geobits
Geobits
Actually, I guess it should be Ncre, since Perl doesn't like 'a' for some reason.
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
@Geobits ?
 
Geobits
Geobits
Perl != Pearl
 
quartata
quartata
@Geobits This is why:
PEARL (programming language)
PEARL, or Process and experiment automation realtime language, is a computer programming language designed for multitasking and real-time programming. Being a high-level language, it is fairly cross-platform. Since 1977, the language has been going under several standardization steps by the Deutsches Institut für Normung. The current version is PEARL-90, which was standardized in 1998 as DIN 66253-2. PEARL is not to be confused with the similarly named Perl, an entirely unrelated programming language created by Larry Wall in 1987. == Features == PEARL supports both fixed-point and floating-point...
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
3:33 PM
Aww. No fans of Babylon 5 here.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Shoulda just made it PearlScript if he wanted to siphon off users of another, more established language ;)
 
New Main Posts
New Main Posts
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Q: Multiplication Table

BoeNoeMake a multiplication table is 100 x 100. The rules are: You can't use any loops. For example, for loops, while loops. Basically, no loops are allowed. You cannot prefill the products. Meaning you must get the true product by multiplying the row by column. This is my first challenge. So sor...

math
 
Geobits
Geobits
Another "no loops" challenge. Yay!
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
@Geobits PearlScript++#.NET 3
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
@NewMainPosts x=1;y=1;eval'puts"#{x}*#{y}=#{x*y}";x+=1;if x>100;y+=1;x=0;end;'*9801
 
Geobits
Geobits
3:39 PM
9801?
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
1,1->100,100
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
99^2
 
Geobits
Geobits
But... the range is inclusive
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
Oh wait it count 0
Then replace the 9801 to 10000
 
Jonathan Allan
Jonathan Allan
or to 100*100 just to be cheeky
 
Geobits
Geobits
3:40 PM
I'm also not sure this would end up formatted as a table, unless you're sneaking a newline and spaces in somewhere.
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
@NewMainPosts 10:t!*. And that right there is why I love MATL
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
They don't specified the output format ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
Also doesn't use a loop
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
@DJMcMayhem This is 10x10
 
Geobits
Geobits
@TuxCopter Well yeah. That's why it's closed and most people don't bother answering ;)
(among other reasons)
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
3:42 PM
@TuxCopter fine. 100:t! then. But it doesn't look as good on TIO
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Ooo ... someone deleted an answer somewhere.
> This is your space. Only you can see these notes. Draft messages, list your to-dos, or keep links and files handy. You can also talk to yourself here, but please bear in mind you'll have to supply both sides of the conversation.
^ The message that appears in Slack (IM client) when you click on your own name.
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
lol
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
oooh, it'd be really cool if zip could take a function
it'd be equivalent to zip(a, map(a, func))
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
3:57 PM
zip(a, dee(doo, dah))
5
 
betseg
betseg
zip(foo, bar(baz, qux))
 
Geobits
Geobits
My oh my, what a handful to say.
 
quartata
quartata
@TimmyD hahahaha
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
Random question: what is your favorite piano song to listen to? From any genre or time-period
 
Geobits
Geobits
Sounds silly, but the piano rendition of Eyes On Me is really nice. I like a lot of others, but it's one of the few I have on my car's mp3 player.
 
PhiNotPi
PhiNotPi
4:10 PM
hypothetical question: is it possible to define "no loops" in some unambiguous manner? (disclaimer: the end result might be something totally unusable)
 
Geobits
Geobits
@PhiNotPi I assume anything that compiles to something with no jumps leading to previously executed code would count. But yeah :/
 
feersum
feersum
Only for 1 language.
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
Wat
One can redefine the = operator in C++
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
@Geobits From final fantasy? (I just searched it in Spotify and that came up)
 
PhiNotPi
PhiNotPi
Overloading is the best.
 
Geobits
Geobits
4:12 PM
@TuxCopter You can redefine C++ in C++ :P
@DJMcMayhem Yeah, that one.
I like a lot of FF music, but that's the best one in piano version imo.
 
feersum
feersum
My favorite overload is in Python, where the . operator is, on Windows, overloaded to load a DLL.
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
Nothing silly about that. Good Video game soundtracks are great because not only is the music good but it reminds you of the feeling of the game, so it's that much more meaningful.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yeah, the nostalgia factor is strong with that :)
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
I've listened to the undertale soundtrack more times than I'm willing to admit. >_<
 
Geobits
Geobits
And Nobuo Uematsu is just great.
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
4:15 PM
Some of the remixes are freaking fantastic. Like richaadEB's "determination" album
 
Geobits
Geobits
I imagine it's really a different kind of challenge composing for a game. I mean, you have to be able to listen to the "main" theme(s) for hours on end, and the looping/time factor has to be interesting to work with.
Especially for old school games where music was really space limited.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
there's an awesome game called Continuity Game where the player could "zoom out" or "zoom in". They had two different tracks for the different states, and they would flow right into each other perfectly
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
@DJMcMayhem Solo piano? Or with accompaniment?
 
Geobits
Geobits
@NathanMerrill I'll have to check that out on my PC later. My phone is sensible enough to not have flash installed :P
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
its pretty addicting, so if you don't have an hour to kill, don't open it :)
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
4:22 PM
@TimmyD Either one
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
my favorite pianist is William Joseph
though, I don't like most of the stuff he's put on Youtube
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
By muse? :P
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
an arrangement, but yeah
also, my claim to fame is that I've played with Jon Schmidt (the pianist from the Piano Guys), but it was well before he was famous
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
Oh, haha I was kidding
@NathanMerrill :O no way!
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Oh, I like William Joseph. I just picked up Beyond after hearing him on one of my Pandora stations.
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
4:27 PM
What do you mean "played with"? What were you playing?
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
For piano and violin, it would have to be Heaven's Caravan (reprise) by Mehdi.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
well, he was doing a concert
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
And what were you doing? Details! I'm really curious now
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
and he asks a member of the crowd to come up and solo while he plays the bass line. I was currently in my HS jazz band as the pianist, and all my friends called out my name to come up
so, I went up
and we jammed, basically
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
That's pretty sweet
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
4:29 PM
@TimmyD I have the sheet music to this, and believe it or not, Kashmir is by far, the hardest song of the lot
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
I know the guy who built the metal cello the piano guys used
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
Piano Fantasy is also really fun to play. You basically get to bang out octaves over and over
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
@NathanMerrill follow up song since I didn't know you play piano: what's your favorite song to play?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
piano fantasy :)
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
I'm looking for something new since I haven't played in a while
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
4:32 PM
For solo piano, pretty much anything off of Dark Night of the Soul by Philip Wesley.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
oh, another favorite pianist of mine is Sonya Belousova (Player Piano)
@TimmyD I haven't heard of him, but he sounds like David Lanz to me
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Stretching the boundaries a bit, but for keyboard/synth it would be Acid Wolfpack by Coyote Kisses.
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
@TimmyD Just listened to it. That's pretty sweet. :)
One of my all-time favorite piano songs is Ease my mind by Matthew Ball.
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
@DJMcMayhem I'll have to check it out later (YouTube is blocked here)
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
At work?
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
4:46 PM
yah
 
Geobits
Geobits
@TimmyD Except for the "being a cat" thing and the facebook like thing, you're not wrong ;)
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
Fun fact about that composer. He taught me blues piano for like a year and a half
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Poke It's more than a search, but it does happen to function as a better chat search. I'm glad you found it so useful. :D
 
Lembik
Lembik
I am getting up and down votes in pairs!
I am the Trump of the codegolf world :((
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Woo, top three starboard posts are mine. Now to post something that will get four stars and continue the pattern.
Stars here are like the time limit on answers at a presidential debate -- they don't matter.
7
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
4:53 PM
^ clearly a ploy to get stars
3
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
xD
 
Poke
Poke
@El'endiaStarman Yeah I know but that's mostly what I've used it for. We should really link it somewhere so I don't have to go through my search history every time i want to use it
like next to the chatiquette
 
Geobits
Geobits
Most browsers have a feature where you can mark favorite pages to more easily revisit them.
 
Poke
Poke
._.
 
RosLuP
RosLuP
A table multiplicative without loops means write each element of the table or use only recursion: because call function and operators I say hide ... Loops... But whatever piece of executable binary has loop 99.999999%
 
Poke
Poke
5:03 PM
@Geobits Then why do we bother linking codegolf SE or chatiquette
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
If you disallow loops you can't program anything except a bootloader
 
Poke
Poke
People can just bookmark those
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Poke Chatiquette for discoverability (we want every user to know about it). Main site because it's the main site, so if someone wanders in by accident, they have some vague idea what it's about.
A database search doesn't fit that as well, no matter how cool or handy it is (and it is).
 
Poke
Poke
There's a search box that links to normal SE search
but normal SE search isn't really useful for codegolf SE
since we're often going to search symbols and stuff
When I search for "0^0" I'm not looking for every post which contains a "0"
 
Geobits
Geobits
Sure, but that's built-in. Nobody here asked for it. I hardly even notice it most of the time, and usually click the "info" link to search.
 
Poke
Poke
5:10 PM
Would we remove it given the option?
 
Geobits
Geobits
Dunno, but I don't know what that has to do with adding an unofficial search that could go down at any time (no offense, Starman).
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
@NathanMerrill Worked, didn't it? :p
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
clearly
 
Poke
Poke
If we're worried about it going down why link to chatiquette on github.io? That could also go down.
 
Geobits
Geobits
The SEDE works better than SE search for many things, but there's not a link for it on every SE page. For people that do those kinds of searches often, it's not a chore to bookmark it.
 
Poke
Poke
5:12 PM
And it's certainly unofficial as far as SE is concerned
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
chatiquette is important. SEDE is useful. There are lots of useful things we could link, but we only link the important ones
 
Poke
Poke
That's pretty subjective imo.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
its really not. It is not important that users know about SEDE. It is important that they know chatiquette
 
Poke
Poke
You're entitled to your opinion
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Poke I'd bet that starmaninnovations.com goes down before github.io. I don't mean "oh, server issues, brb", I mean "I'm not gonna host this any more".
 
Poke
Poke
5:14 PM
It's possible
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
seriously though, if we link SEDE, then we also should link TIO, and OEIS, and ...
 
Poke
Poke
Personally I would have no problem with that.
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Poke It's a pretty good opinion. You can get kicked or banned for not knowing the etiquette and expectations here. You can't for not knowing there's a chat data tool that a user made.
 
Poke
Poke
There could even just be a codegolf resources page
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
that would be useful
some page that lists a bunch of sites that we frequently use. I'd want it to be community-moderated, somehow
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
5:18 PM
let's host it on sourceforge
 
Geobits
Geobits
I might have a geocities site laying around unused.
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
can you still make myspace accounts?
 
Poke
Poke
i think geocities died a long time ago
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Geobits you would use geocities :)
Yahoo! GeoCities
Yahoo! GeoCities (also known as GeoCities) is a web hosting service, currently available only in Japan. It was founded in November 1994 by David Bohnett and John Rezner, and was called Beverly Hills Internet (BHI) for a very short time. On January 28, 1999, GeoCities was acquired by Yahoo!; at that time it was the third-most visited website on the World Wide Web. In its original form, site users selected a "city" in which to place their web pages. The "cities" were named after real cities or regions according to their content—for example, computer-related sites were placed in "SiliconValley" and...
apparently still available in Japan
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Why not a Meta post that's CW'd?
 
Geobits
Geobits
5:19 PM
@NathanMerrill I did use geocities :P Angelfire, too, but I didn't like it as much.
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
@TimmyD I'm fine with that
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yeah, I think a meta post is the usual spot for a general "Resources" list.
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
I'm pretty sure anyone who's over ~30 years old and was on the web used Geocities.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
couldn't we just make it an answer list, and people can upvote/downvote the tools they like the most?
 
Geobits
Geobits
As long as it has quick-links in question to upvoted ones, sure.
You lose the quick access if you have to scroll.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
5:20 PM
true
anybody making the post?
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
can we think about what links we'd add before we make the post?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
if not, I'm going to
 
Geobits
Geobits
Or we could all just have a folder of bookmarks for this kind of thing, so it's literally two clicks to get to any of them >_>
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
radical suggestion
 
Geobits
Geobits
I know I know, I'm out of the box like that.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
5:22 PM
@Geobits oh, and lets all sync them using dropbox
 
Poke
Poke
tio, sede, oeis, ideone, chatiquette, the sandbox
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
I don't think we need the last two
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
the sandbox is featured in the sidebar
I'd add the chatiquette though
 
Poke
Poke
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
relevant userscripts might also be a good idea
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
5:23 PM
Repl.it?
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
we already have an entire post of online testing environments
no need to replicate that
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
We shouldn't include online testing.
ninja'd
 
Geobits
Geobits
I assume TNBDE would be there too.
Since that's what started all this.
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
yeah
I wouldn't even link SEDE
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
GH desktop crash when it starts wat
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
5:24 PM
(as it's not external)
 
Poke
Poke
Maybe an ascii chart
 
Geobits
Geobits
@TuxCopter Stop hitting it with the infrared then o_O
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
@TimmyD the relevant meta post could be referenced as a related post at the bottom
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
we clearly need github. All of us use that :)
and youtube?
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Eh. Ideally, this "3rd party resources" post would be linked from the FAQ, and the online testing post would also be linked from the FAQ.
 
Geobits
Geobits
5:25 PM
Should probably link to Google also.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Geobits oh, duh
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
@Geobits (I think you were mostly joking but) the benefit of the meta post is not quick access for us, but discoverability for others
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
@Geobits ಠ_ಠ -1 for google
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
+1 for youtube though
 
Poke
Poke
This is the kind of thing I'm thinking collegepuzzlechallenge.com/PuzzleTools.aspx
 
Yodle
Yodle
5:26 PM
In light of last night's debate, I refuse to accept any challenges that have accepted answers unless my answer is the accepted answer.
 
Geobits
Geobits
@MartinEnder Maybe... the discussion started about having a link to tnbde in the chat description or similar, for quick access.
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
:O GH desktop works
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
@Geobits sure, but that doesn't change the fact that the meta post would be useful for other reasons :P
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
discoverability is way more important than quick access. We're programmers: our job is to make things quick access, so if you can't do it, then learn :)
 
Geobits
Geobits
Oh, yeah, no doubt. I wouldn't use it for quick access ( I have bookmarks), but it's a nice resource.
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
5:28 PM
we should add it to the resource list
 
Geobits
Geobits
:D
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
I might actually do that
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Yodle SE has a long tradition of the peaceful handover of acceptedness between answers.
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
I'll make the post now
 
Poke
Poke
I think @NathanMerrill might have started it already?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
5:32 PM
nope
 
Poke
Poke
ok
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
It's ... interesting.
 
Shebang
Shebang
For those who can't open YouTube right now what is it?
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
I didn't like the advert for it at all, but it looks like a nice console.
 
Shebang
Shebang
So that's the name of the NX?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
5:38 PM
@Shebang its a console that is both handheld and can hook up to your TV
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Yep, that's the name of the NX.
It looks vaguely like a WiiU controller-pad when in "portable" mode., but the side "controller" bits detach and hook together to form a regular gamepad and the middle part plugs into a dock when it's in "TV Console" mode
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
wow
 
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Q: Google FooBar Challenges

JoshSo I was googling python modules, and the fabled foobar came up! A purple IDE came up and ran: run\home\guest Sorry - it looks like something went wrong! Great! I've tweeted them, with no answer. However, Google opened their store in London today, and I asked one of the guys there about i...

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Q: A regex to satisfy the grammar nazis (there vs. their vs they're)

mdwhatcottWe've all been burned by the grammar nazis on the internet. What we need is a regex that can be used in place of "there", "their", and "they're". This would shift burden of grammar parsing from the writer to the reader (a sort of "client-side" grammar, if we you will). So, here's what I have to s...

code-golf tips regular-expression
 
TuxCopter
TuxCopter
@NewMainPosts NUKE IT
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
posted the post. knock yourselves out
 
Geobits
Geobits
5:50 PM
Tried that once. Woke up with a headache. 2/10 do not recommend
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
> 2/10
Also, @mar enjoy your free upvotes on the regex question. lol
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
I've gotta say, I didn't expect saying "this can't be golfed" to be that popular.
 
Geobits
Geobits
@TimmyD Well it's not like I died or anything.
I can't believe people still have problem with thereiry're.
Native English speakers anyway. If it's a second language, I totally get that.
 
Martin Ender
Martin Ender
In my experience native English speakers have a lot more trouble with it.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Mine too :/
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
5:57 PM
I think part of that is the vast majority of information and media consumed in the US, especially nowadays, is visual/auditory. It also doesn't help that tons of rules in English are based on pronunciation and not spelling.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yeah... but I mean... English/grammar classes (at least ime) are completely repetitious from about 5th-12th grades. It's just the same thing over and over. The same rules, the same exceptions... you'd think at some point in there you'd pick it up.
My nine year old doesn't have a problem with it, so it's hard for me to excuse adults who've had vastly more education for basic things like that.
 
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