The Bridge - 2012-01-20 (page 2 of 4)

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5:00 PM

@ArdaXi yeah, I seem to remember some of them needing a desk or something.

or some type of furniture.

Nobles like a bookkeeper and a broker need offices.

@John We're going to have to do some organising for this aren't we.

Nobles like barons need fancy rooms just to please them, and are otherwise useless.

@agent86 Cuz Nobles are so useful?

They tend to make weird demands as well, which can sometimes lead a player to arranging... unfortunate accidents.

Like the one with all the elephants in cages and the mysterious lever only assigned to that particular noble.

5:03 PM

@Ullallulloo important != useful

I now get losing = fun. Seriously, a well-running fortress is boring.

@RonanForman What do you mean?

posting a question with a lot of tags in it is confusing, because when you get down to the end of the question, the question's tags show up. I'm like "hey, I don't remember thinking discussion should be burninated..."

Wow...the new flagging rules put me just over halfway to deputy, which is a badge I already have...

@John well, due to the likelihood of bugs you might get it again :D

5:13 PM

@agent86 Here's hoping! :D

@John You remember last time I tried to organise something right?

@RonanForman Heh...heh...heh...

@RonanForman You being in Europe will be the tricky part.

We usually play around 10-11 PM here, which would be about 3-4 AM there.

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Q: "Too Specific" tag roundup - 2012/01/20 edition

The following tags were selected based on the criteria that they are too specific to provide a meaningful distinction amongst questions and should be killed or merged. I've done my best to find merge targets whenever I can. wireless-controllers wiimote --> controllers Wiimotes are wireless c...

discussion tags burnination

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Q: DOTA2 keeps forgetting my region

When ever I launch DOTA2 I have to reset the region, however I didn't have to do this on my laptop? Any ideas what maybe causing this? (I don't use any autoexec options)

steam dota-2 steam-cloud

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I hate when I need to ask Link's Awakening questions. I've beaten the game once before, but it was honestly like a million year ago so I remember nothing.

@AshleyNunn You beat it a million years ago? Wow! That makes you even older than Grace!

:P

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5:25 PM

@John I am secretly very ancient. I hide it well.

@AshleyNunn Yes, you do.

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@John Hurrah! It's working! ;)

@AshleyNunn Hey, ask away. We need at least 2 anyway.

@AshleyNunn But you've just let the cat out of the bag. :P

bah, I wanted to pull a quick status-completed on both but couldn't

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5:27 PM

@GraceNote Knowing me, there will be a lot more than two. :(

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Or perhaps that should be a :), depending on how you look at it.

@AshleyNunn Definitely this one. WE NEED QUESTIONS!

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@John That is true. I just ask SO many that sometimes I feel bad. MInd you, I've not yet gotten one deleted/closed/downvoted into oblivion, so that is nice.

@John @OrigamiRobot Are any of you able to run a terraria server?

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I lied. One closed question.

5:30 PM

@AshleyNunn Wow. You feel bad about asking so many questions that have never ever been deleted/closed/downvoted into oblivion!? You realize that's a fantastic track record, right? Keep asking!

I could do it, but seeing as you're all in the same area it'd make sense.

@RonanForman Me mostly likely not... so far Ian's been running it, and Robot knows him IRL so it's worked out well so far.

@AshleyNunn I think badp asked some link's awakening questions already.

Except I keep losing my connection to it.

I seem to remember answering one about fishing.

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5:31 PM

@agent86 Yup, I remember that one. :D

@RonanForman I can. I'm not sure how running the server and playing on the same machine will turn out but it should be fine

@agent86 What's that? Fishing? Oh @FallenAngelEyes! It's your favorite past time! :P

FallenAngelEyes

@John <_<

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I just have to mentally headdesk when I realize, for example, that there are 17 Super Mario 3D Land questions and 12 are mine XD

@FallenAngelEyes lol sorry I couldn't resist. xD

@AshleyNunn Keep going! You've almost got a monopoly on them! ;)

5:33 PM

@agent86 Doesn't matter!

At least two questions per Ashley now

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@GraceNote ?

I'm mandating horrible rules right now

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@John Haha, yeah, there is that. That's something to shoot for XD

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Although I am discovering that enemies have names, beyond "weird bunny hat thing that hops". XD

@AshleyNunn Then it's a learning experience too!

This is a win-win-win-win!

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5:36 PM

@GraceNote Does there need to be more than one question for a tag to stick, as it were?

but but but

I have a youtube link!

I had to watch seven minutes of it to find the relevant bit!

@AshleyNunn Apparently not.

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@badp And I am so glad you did!

Or maybe that's because my question has no other tags.

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That was precisely where I was stuck, too.

5:37 PM

Can anyone with terriara join 84.92.163.43:25567 I want to see if I can handle it.

@AshleyNunn eh. I looked it up on GameFAQs :P

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@badp Hey, I look a lot of things up for answers. :) I just like visuals. :)

sure, it was mentioned en passant

@RonanForman I can't try ATM...

@RonanForman Checking.

5:38 PM

@badp reads this, thinks of chess

also I haven't yet finished that game :/

@John Yes, you do, it just waits two months before auto-deleting.

@AshleyNunn Needs at least 2 within 6 months

@Ullallulloo Oh wow. I thought for sure that question was older than that. @GnomeSlice! Quick! Ask another question about King Arthurs Gold!

@RonanForman "You are not using the same version as this server."

5:39 PM

Interesting...

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@GraceNote Nifty. Good to know :)

Has there been an update recently?

@RonanForman Yes. It's on v1.1.2 now.

@badp Should work on it. ♪

Nope. I need to work on actual work.

@agent86 I'm tempted to answer your question with "It depends on what our stance on legal questions is. It seems that in practice we don't have a strong stance either way, so we should go ahead and discuss it up in a new question. In the meantime, keep."

5:44 PM

@Tristan How recently? Tshock is only on 1.1.1

@RonanForman like 2 days ago

@RonanForman The day before yesterday.

@RonanForman Two days ago maybe?

wimpers

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Q: How do I kill Pols Voices?

The Pols Voices I am encountering in the Bottle Grotto seem to be pretty immune to damage. Sword strikes won't kill them, and I don't really have anything else that I can use, it being so early in the game. Sorry for the tiny picture, but that is the enemy I am talking about. How can I kill it?

zelda-links-awakening

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Q: How can I compare guns in BF3?

My problem is that I keep unlocking new weapons and I really don't understand a great way to compare the guns. I understand that if I start with a new weapon I need to spend a lot of time to unlock the good unlocks for that weapon, but there must be some general consensus as to some top guns and...

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Q: Resurrection - what is the best strategy?

I'm trying to determine what is the best strategy with regard to resurrection in the game temple run. On one hand it is nice to feel protected with this extra life while having the wings. Very often I do need it, so with that respect - it is a good thing. On the other hand switching "modes" and...

5:47 PM

Wow B&CG has some tough MtG questions

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Q: In what order are replacement effects chosen with respect to damage prevention?

How are replacement effects handled in multiplayer? Here's a concrete example. Player A, B, and C are seated around the table. It is Player A's turn. Player A has a Furnace Of Rath (double all damage), and Hostility (prevent damage to opponents, and create 3/1 tokens instead) in play. Player A ...

rules magic-the-gathering multi-player

/shameless upvote fishing

I spent forever writing my answer before i saw "chooses one" in the comp rule I quoted. I had to rewrite most of my answer!

@OrigamiRobot I would explain a little more what APNAP is though.

@badp good point

That's odd the terminal appears and then disappears straight away.

@OrigamiRobot don't you hate that? I hate catching a misunderstanding after I've invested significant time in an answer. I feel like such an idiot. What's worse is answering, not realizing you've misunderstood, and then leaving for a while.

come back and there's just angry downvotes and comments left right and center.

you might as well have clubbed a baby seal on national television.

@agent86 it's terrible when you do it dealing with MtG comp rules. I had to constantly check to make sure I was analyzing the situation correctly.

5:56 PM

@Ronan That usually means an error.

I know, but I don't know why mono can't run the server.

The terminal is printing the error.

Most likely

Okay windows can run it fine.

@RonanForman Need me to try connecting again?

But I doubt I could run it, play on it and record at the same time.

6:01 PM

@RonanForman if my stupid RDP wasnt messed up I would set it up from here

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Q: What's the deal with [legal]?

A contested tag from the "off topic" roundup is legal. Why should it be burninated or allowed to survive?

discussion tags

@Lazers theres a joke in there about legal murder

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Q: Gaming resources: How can I find new games to play?

What resources are most useful in finding new games to play? This question is a place to find websites, forums, and other places that help you find new games to play. Game recommendations are a subjective topic, so consider the Back it up! policy when answering. Please explain why something is ...

I'm not sure how this question could be tagged something other than game-rec

Technically that means it makes for a bad question. ♪

...because?

6:12 PM

@badp I was thinking if we're sold on keeping some of these questions around, make the tag archived-game-rec

or make it into a blog post

@agent86 ...I don't see how that helps

it at least makes it clearer that the tag's not to be used anymore.

No, it doesn't really do that

shrugs I disagree, but I don't have any data to dispute it further.

@GraceNote you suggested renaming it in one of the meta posts about it - what's your renaming suggestion?

It's a tricky situation that borders on a much different level, I don't have a solid recommendation.

6:18 PM

hrm, I was afraid you'd say that.

@GraceNote but... you're Grace Note! You know everything!

@Wipqozn Try that statement again, only more correct.

@GraceNote ...zeus dammit

@GraceNote To be fair, your grace note probably knows everything too.

@ArdaXi There is a logical connection which may purport that enough.

6:20 PM

I think I'm just going to go hide in a hole in shame now.

@Wipqozn You weren't doing that already?

@Wipqozn The "tricky situation" is that we're caught between either tagging a singular entity that we're otherwise trying not to have (tagging the game recommendation aspect), or we have to find tags that apply to a much larger scope that it fits within, which in itself may also encourage questions we don't want. It's very lose-lose.

@ArdaXi A deeper hole.

@GraceNote Yeah, I agree.

MY MAGIC ANSWER WAS WRONG

@OrigamiRobot After all the work you put into it? D=

6:25 PM

I didn't catch that the affected player does the choosing

@Tristan yea but I got 20 rep out of it

@OrigamiRobot Well... Better than nothing.

@Tristan MtG Comp Rules: Misread one word and it takes hours to wrap your head around it again.

lol

@GraceNote mostly I'm just trying to raise awareness. I don't really care about tags on the whole.

@GraceNote I honestly doubt that, once those questions and the tag were deleted, we would stop getting game-rec's anyway

6:34 PM

@badp I highly doubt that.

@badp It's a mixed message scenario that's just preferable to avoid.

@Tristan @OrigamiRobot @John What times can you people play tomorrow?

I think we will continue getting game rec questions for as long as the site exists.

so while I see the value in reducing the question count for tags that are likely to be bad, I don't see the value in nuking it entirely

@RonanForman I'm free all day.

6:34 PM

or we'd undermine the whole point why we made that question to begin with

I just don't think it's a particularly good question or answer, tbh. "go look at steam" "here's a few gaming blog sites"

it's too localized and it's a list of links

The existence of a tag entails "This is something we can ask about". It's the same argument behind your earlier argument against weapons, "what do you mean off-topic? I can't ask a question about weapons? You have a tag for it, and a hundred friggin' questions!". Now, admittedly, we'd only have one tag, but that itself is an issue.

What's wrong with a list of links?

@GraceNote Yes, but we do have a few questions that are good and can't be tagged otherwise

game-rec is now at like 5?

weapons was in the hundreds?

they die and go stale. also, how does one say "this site authoritatively answers your question"

kinda different situations

6:38 PM

what makes a game recommendation site "good" that is not subjective?

@agent86 There's a difference between an answer that's just a link ("hey! the answer is BEHIND this link!") and an answer that recommends other resources ("hey! this answer IS this link!").

@RonanForman My day should be pretty flexible

@agent86 Wish we could have an answer to that other than the one we've currently got: "a game recommendation can never be good subjective ever"

(reminder: we do allow good subjective questions)

@badp I'm speaking in the context of the question. links in general, yes, good. a list of gaming blog sites, bad.

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marco.org/2012/01/20/the-next-sopa

6:40 PM

What time zone are you in again?

@agent86 There might be a reason why the top answer does not link to gaming blog sites

Rock Paper Shotgun also is not a place that is going anywhere any time soon, unlike a generic blog.

yeah, it links to steam. I don't think that's really a great answer.

@RonanForman I'm PST.

@RonanForman EST

I'm in Bacon Time Zone.

6:41 PM

only PC games, and only a certain subset of PC games are there, it's a site that's a store, so it's not like it's unbiased in its recommendations.

Do you know @John's?

@agent86 Sure, he could've linked to the list of all games of all times that must be somewhere someplace on Wikipedia, but he decided to give a more specific recommendation instead

@RonanForman Pretty sure John's EST

I don't see why "If a game is on Steam, it's typically an above-par one" would be an absolutely bad recommendation and I wouldn't see a game catalogue as a bad starting point to hunt for a game to play, so long as it's good.

that said I didn't upvote that answer.

It may not be absolutely bad, but it certainly doesn't help a non-PC gamer

6:44 PM

or any other answer.

It's quite helpful to PC gamers, so in the context of the question it's a helpful answer.

Well he does link to Metascore en passant... I guess it doesn't really count though

I guess the problem really is the lack of a good answer rather than the question being bad. Let's see if a bounty can fix it.

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there are some crap games on steam

@WorldEngineer coughLuciditycough

there's no way to say "X is the best place to find (type) games, and here's why"

6:46 PM

@WorldEngineer "typically above par" doesn't mean "they're all great" shrug

@Ronan Yep, EST. Or EDT. I can never remember.

@agent86 That's not what somebody looking for a game recommendation wants anyway.

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@Powerlord You read my mind

@John It changes for 3/4 the year thanks to "wonderfullness" of Daylight Saving Time.

@badp then they're in the wrong place....

6:48 PM

There's a reason if we've had to close all the two-hundred-odd such questions

if you can't ever stop the debate about answers, if it never has a clear winner, then it's bad.

@Powerlord Yes, I just can't remember if I'm in the 3/4 or the 1/4. :/

@agent86 Debate? What debate?

Sometimes there's no absolute truth. It's okay. It doesn't mean the question is bad.

@Ronan I think my day should be fairly flexible also.

"How do I handle my unruly guildie?" would be a good subjective on-topic question for the site without one hard universally good answer.

6:49 PM

I seem to remember some people thinking steam was of the devil. If we put aside that answer, the rest are links to blogs and review sites, which you can't say one is definitively better than the rest for all people

The whole system of acceptance technically purports that a question should have a feasible conclusion, either by practicality or by practice. That's one of the reasons why "itemized lists" have been bad from the get-go

One of the original thought patterns behind the "Just get all the resources" question was to create a single answer containing all such resources - seeing as the conclusion of "What's a list of X" is the full list, not just a single item on the list.

That's what I was hoping to encourage with a bounty

you want a list of all the ways to get a game recommendation?

If the issue is that the current status has the issue of "No one answer can actually conclude the question", then let's amend that by making a conclusion.

I think that's near-infinite

6:52 PM

@agent86 As it happens, I'm actually writing a post about this very problem on CogSci right now, for this very issue.

@John It's 1/4 in the Winter. 1/4 is EST, 3/4 is EDT

It used to be half, but then our government decided to change it.

@GraceNote I kind of thought that that was the intent of closing questions - bringing an unresolvable question to a close.

@Powerlord Ok, thanks. @Ronan I think that means I'm in EDT.

How does around 4pm UTC sound?

@agent86 Closing is one option. But it's not a golden key or anything.

6:53 PM

I feel sometimes like I'm on the supreme court or something (well, without any of the actual gravity or importance such a position holds ;) ) - trying to interpret the words of the Founding Fathers and respect their wishes and intents without their input :)

@GraceNote yeah, there are multiple ways to go about it. Closing is just one.

@Ronan I think I should be able to do that...that's noon here (IIRC) so I'm not sure if lunch might delay me. :P

@John Okay, then 5pm UTC.

@Ronan Sounds good.

@GraceNote do you have a suggestion for a conclusion in this case?

@John You're in EST, dummy.

It's the middle of Winter after all.

6:58 PM

@agent86 Personally, I think hosting a repository is a dangerous prospect.

@Powerlord >.< my state doesn't follow conventional seasons.

@GraceNote a repository of game recommendation sites?

This reference question needs a reference answer listing a number of helpful resources *for all platforms.*

The bounty will be awarded to an answer enumerating such resources, such as (this is not a checklist of things you must include):

* Game reviewing resources ([example](http://arstechnica.com/author/ben-kuchera/))
* Game recommendation communities ([example](http://www.reddit.com/r/gamingsuggestions))
* Game recommendation engines ([example](http://decideotron.com/))
* Game catalogues ([example](http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/90day/all))

This is what I have in mind as a bounty custom text right now

More than giving away an answer in the bounty text, what can I do? :P

@agent86 Repositories in general - that's why we dropped game recommendations in the first place.

@GraceNote You mean the half of game recs that ask for games that do X, right?

7:02 PM

@badp shudders

"what are games with regenerating health"

"What's a good game similar to Zelda?"

"What games contain bacon?"

@Powerlord Not precisely what I had in mind, that would be the other half.

@badp I'm not sure what other kind of recommendation there is with respect to the ones we had in the past.

"I liked X, Y and Z, gimme more!"

7:04 PM

That essentially boils down to the same inquiry, though. The user liked X, Y, and Z for one or more reasons, so wants games that qualify those same reasons.

I think your old post distinguished between those two "question kinds" that go under the common name...

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Q: How to find gaming buddies?

How to find new gaming friends who are more available than occasional players? Talking about games like MineCraft, GTA, Saint's Row, Left 4 Dead, Etc... P.S. Don't tell me to play with my real life friends, They're not into gaming.

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ontopic?

@badp Why? All you're asking is for games that have multiple qualities... without defining those qualities.

@AshleyNunn IMO, no.

@Powerlord Yeah, well, that's different.

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7:04 PM

@Powerlord That was my thought too...

The person might not be looking for a recommendation at all, just a list of games.

It's still the same issue as a repository because it is still a repository. Even if it also has other obvious flaws.

We still label it a game-rec and close it as such.

We're not a wiki. We suck at maintaining posts.

@AshleyNunn - Not on topic. Replace "Gaming" with "Boating" and the question still works: "How to find Boating buddies"

Related: i miss the boat-programming tag.

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@SteveV Yeah, I kinda figured that was the case.

7:06 PM

@SteveV Yes, but does the answer still work?

Answer: only partially.

You can't "boat with random people"

@badp consensually

Maybe you can't. (:

There's no "boating community on Steam"

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@badp but it is essentially 'Find people with similar interests" which would scale.

The question is, can we give it an answer that addresses the specific challenging of finding gaming buddies and doesn't work in the general case?

What does the gaming perspective change here?

If nothing changes, close.

If something does change, that's your answer.

That's the stance we had on meta anyway.

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7:08 PM

@badp I don't think it changes anything - I think of it like a "how do I find a book club"

@AshleyNunn You would go on Steam to look for book clubs?

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although, I do appreciate your lesson on how to mentally sort these things

You find yourself reading the same book with random people?

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@badp Haha, no, but I would use a similar service to find people

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@badp Actually, yes. XD

7:09 PM

@AshleyNunn oh, so there's a service specific to gaming and a service specific to books!

user15026

You are confusing me.

@AshleyNunn Well, picture it like this: Bacon is tasty. Does it make sense now?

Steam doesn't work for books, or rowing. The local library wouldn't be the first place you'd look for gamers in. You wouldn't take rowing classes to find other people that dig it.

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@Powerlord Nope. Makes me want bacon though.

hrm, I thought that one wasn't so bad

7:11 PM

I don't think that using the specificity of the service is a strong argument.

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@badp ....yeah but I am not trying to tell them to do that. It's about using something other people who have that interest use.

@GraceNote Well, there are rowing classes but are there book reading classes or game playing classes?

I think it's more attacking the problem as "find social ways to engage with other gamers"

e.g.

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@badp There are, actually, both.

7:12 PM

4yos don't count

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@badp Not talking about 4 year olds.

oh well, these things happen.

meh, when all's said and done I for one wouldn't close it.

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@agent86 I can see both sides, so I was like oh hey, I am gonna check with people... XD.

Luckily I don't get to say what stays open or closed so get to it if you feel strongly about it!

7:14 PM

@badp I agree with the principle behind "Does the answer change?", I just don't think that Steam is much of the root of the answer that would make the principle come to light in this scenario.

fine. (That's probably why I came up with both book reading and rowing.)

Consider then answers such as "become a regular by one server and you'll automatically grow bonds with people as you play often with them."

I guess it can still be translated to other contexts, but not with the same ease I suppose. It wouldn't work as well in a library, e.g.

@badp For physical activity, you'd look into club memberships and such.

> “As a consequence of failing to act, there will continue to be a safe haven for foreign thieves; American jobs will continue to be lost; and consumers will continue to be exposed to fraudulent and dangerous products peddled by foreign criminals,” MPAA CEO and former US senator Chris Dodd wrote.

He does know we're talking about digital goods here?

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@Powerlord Those dangerous, dangerous LOLcats....

@GraceNote Yeah, well, you don't have to sign any form to become a regular in a server... it's not quite the same thing I suppose. Not entirely different either though.

I think this question's problem is another - it's too easy

Ways to find other gamers on the net are a dime a dozen.

7:19 PM

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Q: How to find gaming buddies?

How to find new gaming friends who are more available than occasional players? Talking about games like MineCraft, GTA, Saint's Row, Left 4 Dead, Etc... P.S. Don't tell me to play with my real life friends, They're not into gaming.

@AshleyNunn Do you pirate LOLcats?

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@Ullallulloo Bad example. (Mine, I mean)

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAT

It's the "and dangerous" part that confuses me most. Fraudulent and dangerous copies of Jay-Z Top 40 hits?

@badp - I would if i could.

@SteveV Keygens are typically pretty dangerous.

7:21 PM

user15026

A Lottery based on winning Rock Paper Scissors? Really, OLG?

user image

@badp - I've never actually used a keygen.

Or a wallhack for that matter.

@AshleyNunn yeah, I still haven't learned that when there are two sides to something, I should just stay the hell away from it

@SteveV Well, when I have I actually didn't have any trouble except perhaps once.

7:24 PM

slowly learning this lesson :)

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@agent86 Lesson learned...for now. (I will most likely forget this.)

IIRC. It installed a dialer of all things.

1999 called, dude.

@AshleyNunn yeah, well, when you forget, you can come keep me company in the flame pit :)

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@agent86 As long as we can roast marshmallows while we're there!

Also, while I wouldn't download a cat, I would certainly back her up.

Put her up on dropbox or something.

7:27 PM

go vote for the most frustrating situations in gaming

In a folder called "WHO IS THIS. THIS IS MY KITTY. MY KITTY SHE IS."

I would download a cat, but only if I could put it on a USB key when it was being naughty

@badp So...it did download a cat?

The problem is, would you UPLOAD your cat?

The problem is what if the cat uses Dropbox as a litter box?

7:30 PM

@OrigamiRobot Well, you can delete the mess, but it'll always stay on their servers.

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Who plays Skyrim on Windows 2000?

@ArdaXi there's a joke in there about "logs" but I'm too lazy to figure it out

or classic XP?

@Ullallulloo or XP in safe mode

@OrigamiRobot I was loling the other day when someone complained about Firefox 4 and newer not supporting Windows 2000 any more.

7:33 PM

Dorkly. If I skip a choice I don't want to choose either of the two options.

Windows 2000 was my favorite windows until Win7 came along

Stop shuffling them until I pick one.

"42. Having to deal with terrible voice acting in an otherwise ..." - wrong audience for this option

@badp Never played Resident Evil 1?

It's still 42nd out of 50.

"Accidentally hitting "yes" when an NPC asks you if you need them to repeat entire explanation" is #1?

7:39 PM

Then again we didn't have to play Portal with just the German voice

or play through HL2 with all the characters being dubbed by the same two actors.

One male, one female obviously.

@badp or Two Worlds? D:

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OYa5aQb3YGE

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