The DMZ

Mark Buffalo

14:00

And they fired you for that?

silverpenguin

@MarkBuffalo noooo they are offering me money to leave

Adi

@silverpenguin How many hundreds of thousands?

Mark Buffalo

Uh

:/

Some Guy

> You're terrible. Will you leave if we pay you to?

Mark Buffalo

That sucks, sorry to hear that.

Adi

14:01

Oh wait, you're in the U.S.

Some Guy

Sorry :P

Adi

You guys have the salary taboo

silverpenguin

@MarkBuffalo I get enough money to not have to work for 6 months... a year if i play my cards right

Mark Buffalo

No, he's in the UK

Adi

Do they have salary taboo there?

silverpenguin

14:01

@Adi yes massive one

Mark Buffalo

@silverpenguin Why would you want to loaf around? Start looking for another job, or this will hurt your career.

Adi

In Finland, salaries are public information

You can go to the tax office and lookup anybody's tax information, what they paid, how much money they earned, etc.

Rоry McCune

@Adi heck yeah, first rule of UK salary club is, you don't talk about UK salary club

Simon

It sucks because I'd love to know how much you lads make.

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune Same with the USA ; )

silverpenguin

14:02

@MarkBuffalo well, i was going to use this time to study and travel I guess... thats the overall plan but no solid plans yet.. I still want to do the PWK ... which I now have time and money to do

Rоry McCune

@Adi one time some colleagues of mine reverse engineered the info. about it based on a share award that we got and were very miffed to find out I made more than them...

Mark Buffalo

@silverpenguin Do PWK now

Seriously, don't waste time

Some Guy

I want to get around to PWK and OSCP sometime too

Adi

@RоryMcCune Veeeeery weird

Some Guy

Probably be a while, though

Mark Buffalo

14:03

@RоryMcCune Yup, bonuses based on salary percentage will do that. Lol

silverpenguin

@Simon im on 26,000 GBP but I should be on 33,000 GBP some places even recently offered me 40,000 GBP ... (a year obviously)

Simon

@silverpenguin That's a peasant salary for the UK I bet.

Adi

You can literally send an SMS to a number in Finland with full name and you get back the person's income for last year

Mark Buffalo

@SomeGuy I'm waiting until debt is gone before doing this.

Simon

@Adi Nice.

Rоry McCune

14:04

@Adi wow that's transparent!

Simon

You guys can't get your employer to pay for the course?

silverpenguin

@MarkBuffalo yea you are right, I should do this... Im going to wait untill im offcially out of work though... i have a month off but still working for the company and then i get my pay out and im done

Mark Buffalo

Nope, I can't

Even though I do a lot of security work here

Adi

@Simon Somewhere between 90-95k Canadian dollars

Some Guy

@MarkBuffalo Student debt? I don't have any debt yet, but I don't have much cash on hand either :P

Simon

14:05

@Adi Nice.

Adi

It can be more depending on on-call and overtime

silverpenguin

im going to go down to get some food...its a sunny day so il take the z3 with the roof down so everyone can question the size of my ween

Mark Buffalo

@SomeGuy Student debt is very low. I took out a max of 3500. Not a concern.

Adi

@Simon Yup. Employer paid

Of course they should be pay

Simon

They're paying for mine too.

Some Guy

14:06

@Simon Haven't started working yet

Adi

I mean, it raises your value to their customers

Mark Buffalo

@SomeGuy Relocation debt

Adi

@Simon Good on you for asking

Some Guy

@MarkBuffalo Ah. That's expensive

Where'd you move to / from?

And why?

kalina

you ask lots of questions

are you NSA?

CIA?

IDF??

Some Guy

14:07

Criminals?

M'vy

Com'on @kalina, he would already know

Some Guy

@kalina Yes

Rоry McCune

@SomeGuy oh that's easy you'll just be in the cubical down from @MarkBuffalo , he's NSA too

kalina

@M'vy pls we all use rot13 in here, they don't stand a chance

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune fjajwjdienfnsidohkwjNckengicnqnfkxjqnfjciwkf

SmokeDispenser

14:08

@RоryMcCune :D

M'vy

Well there was the possiblitity is was encrypted on an iPhone

Some Guy

@RоryMcCune Huzzah!

kalina

oh no they have access to the iphones

Some Guy

Oh, messy situation

user11842

@MarkBuffalo Your erased messages are super spoopy

Simon

14:11

@Adi They actually asked me if I wanted to take a security course so I immediately suggested PWK.

user11842

all I saw was "reported to FBI" and then BOOM, gone

Mark Buffalo

Heh, don't worry. It isn't about anyone in here

M'vy

@TechnikEmpire that's usually how it goes

user11842

@M'vy haha

Simon

Of course you did Markus.

user11842

14:14

@MarkBuffalo still feel like trying my virus uhhh err I mean program, and telling me how shit of a job I did security wise?

kalina

@MarkBuffalo I think it's a bit rude calling us all serious criminals

Simon

MARKUS STOP DELETING EVERYTHING

Some Guy

@kalina Inconsequential crimes, right?

Mark Buffalo

Haha, not anyone in here

Simon

TYPE SOMETHING, RE-READ 1398423 TIMES, IF IT STILL SOUNDS FINE, HIT ENTER.

Some Guy

14:15

lol

Simon

@SomeGuy Which is annoying as hell.

Mark Buffalo

Mods can still view it... I don't care about mods.

Simon

You're all bad people.

RELY

I need an adult.

kalina

inb4 banned again

Rоry McCune

@Simon soz our resident adult is busy with meetings I'd guess

Mark Buffalo

14:17

Dude woooooow

Some guy is vomiting harder than anything

Some Guy

Hey

Mark Buffalo

You can hear the vomiting down the hallway

Some Guy

I'm not!

kalina

must have been in a conversation with that guy

Simon

@SomeGuy But you're a JS dev.

Mark Buffalo

14:18

Just retching literally for minutes on end

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo wow, way to out youself as an NSA colleague of @SomeGuy !

Mark Buffalo

What thenfuck!

Simon

WEE WOO WEE WOO IT'S THE PLS POLICE NO JS DEVS ALLOWED IN HERE

Some Guy

Huh. I guess you are a cubicle over, then, Mark

@Simon :(

Mark Buffalo

@SomeGuy OH crap. We're expose DC

kalina

14:18

says the PHP developer

Mark Buffalo

@SomeGuy OH crap. We're exposed

Some Guy

inb4 this room is shut down in a day

Simon

!set ftw on

Rоry McCune

@Simon are the pls police like the quality polis?

Simon

@RоryMcCune They're everything you can imagine.

Some Guy

14:19

@Simon I'm not really a JS dev anymore, though. Probably should update my profile

kalina

@RоryMcCune the exact opposite

Some Guy

I started programming with JS, though

Rоry McCune

Burnistoun - Series 3, Quality Polis, Suck on This!

►

Simon

@SomeGuy You can keep that for yourself.

kalina

programming or scripting

are they even the same thing

I'd have expected the latter to be more casual

M'vy

14:20

well they do share common paradigms

Simon

@RоryMcCune Bahahahaha.

kalina

@M'vy so do eating and drinking and they're not the same thing

M'vy

true

Mark Buffalo

I hope that I don't get sick from this gu th

Simon

@kalina However they do serve the same purpose.

M'vy

14:22

Note that I was avoiding to really answer

Mark Buffalo

Guy

kalina

@Simon no

Simon

@kalina Yes, they both keep you alive.

kalina

if they served the same purpose they'd be completely interchangeable

Some Guy

@kalina You don't think JS is programming?

kalina

14:23

you can't survive entirely on just food

@SomeGuy the clue is kind of in the name... Java... Script...

Simon

@kalina I bet you can if you eat a lot of fruits.

There's only one kind of people that would argue that scripting is not programming but I'm not allowed to say it.

Lighty

@RоryMcCune old, but gold <3

Some Guy

@kalina Right. Could you elaborate on what the differences between programming and scripting are?

Simon

Lighty don't you even start.

user11842

@kalina I brought this topic up to Bjarne in an email once and he shut it down pretty quick, so I stopped mocking people for using scripting languages.

kalina

14:25

@SomeGuy one is undertaken by programmers and the other is undertaken by script kiddies

again, the clue is in teh name

Some Guy

Hey, I'm not arguing. Just curious

You're free to think whatever you want. I'm just curious about the reasons

Simon

So scripting in bash makes you a script kiddy?

TIL.

kalina

@Simon well it doesn't make you a programmer else they'd call it bash programming

Some Guy

How about Python? Where does that fall?

kalina

I don't want to play anymore

you keep changing the scope of the discussion

typical tactic of somebody who lost ^_^

Some Guy

14:28

Again, I'm just asking. I'm not trying to prove you wrong in any way

I'd like to understand your viewpoint better is all

kalina

I don't know, it was a fun conversation until I got bored of it

Some Guy

Haha, fair enough

Mark Buffalo

Scripting languages are fine

As long as you can get the job done

Simon

Just like weens.

2

Mark Buffalo

And a script kiddy is someone who can't write their own scripts or programs, but hacks using "tools"

Simon

14:33

^

Mark Buffalo

Drag n drop hackers I like to call them.

@Simon That's sadistic domestic violence

silverpenguin

@Simon brutal

Mark Buffalo

What is wrong with you?

Simon

@silverpenguin savage

silverpenguin

@kalina dibs on the next hurricane beign called storm simons mum

Simon

14:36

I'd be proud of it.

kalina

banned again

Journeyman Geek

sigh

Rоry McCune

seriously WTAF

Journeyman Geek

guuuuuys. Seriously ;p

Rоry McCune

I don't suppose a mod can locate the mystery flagger

M'vy

14:37

@RоryMcCune A ? stands for ?

Journeyman Geek

alas no

ArtOfCode

@RоryMcCune only a sec.se mod

Rоry McCune

@M'vy actual

ArtOfCode

alas I am not sec.se enough :P

Rоry McCune

@ArtOfCode ahh but they can... hey @AviD @RoryAlsop @schroeder @jefff can someone find our mystery flagger

Journeyman Geek

14:37

@Simon suspension lifted.

Really?

Rоry McCune

they're getting even more annoying now

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Thank you kind sir.

Journeyman Geek

That would be handy, we sometimes have that crap happening on SU

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek can you get @kalina 's too please?

schroeder

who what when?

Journeyman Geek

14:38

Did she get suspended?

Mark Buffalo

Wait what

Who flagged?

Rоry McCune

@schroeder we have someone flagging things that shouldn't get flagged apparently you can locate the person

Simon

Wow she actually did get suspended too!

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek think so

Journeyman Geek

Yeah she did

Rоry McCune

14:39

there were two messages flagged one from simon and one from kalina

Mark Buffalo

WTF

Journeyman Geek

I mean, guys... seriously. If you're unhappy with something someone said.... just man up and let them know politely.

Simon

I'm fairly sure that I do know who does it.

schroeder

yeah - got it

M'vy

flagging spree day

Simon

14:39

I will have to continue investigating.

Rоry McCune

@schroeder cool could you have a polite word with them as they're obviously not comfortable speaking up in room

Mark Buffalo

Who did it?

kalina

@Simon the only conclusion I can draw from their lack of care is that they'd rather have the flagger here than us

Simon

@kalina =\

Rоry McCune

@schroeder the messages getting flagged aren't really bad just part of the usual room chat

Some Guy

14:40

For a bunch of your-mom jokes?

silverpenguin

@kalina thats not true, I hate all 3 of you equally

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder Name the flagged

Journeyman Geek

@kalina heh, I dis-suspended both of you.

Simon

This is really a relief if InfoSec.SE mods can see it.

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder Name the flagger

Rоry McCune

14:40

@kalina TBF we've not had many mods about today @RoryAlsop is busy and @AviD is well being @AviD and I imagine @schroeder just got up :)

ArtOfCode

@MarkBuffalo No

kalina

@JourneymanGeek yes but that's because you're awesome

ArtOfCode

We can't just release private info.

Journeyman Geek

And someone cared enough to let me know, cause I thought you hadn't been suspended ;p

Mark Buffalo

Alright then

Simon

14:41

@ArtOfCode You're allowed to know who your abuser is whenever he is taken to court.

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo no, it can be handled privately I'm sure

Simon

This is our own little court.

Rоry McCune

no witch hunts!

Simon

NAME THE CRIMINAL!

kalina

@ArtOfCode strange, SE had no problem releasing my private info

Journeyman Geek

14:41

@Simon meh, like that ever helps ;p

Simon

Alright, fine :(

ArtOfCode

@Simon Someone did this to me in Physics chat a few days ago... no

Rоry McCune

put those pitchforks away!

M'vy

@Simon you assume too much

kalina

The moderator responsible is still a moderator

Mark Buffalo

14:41

I found out who did it

Journeyman Geek

@RoryAlsop but I had a barrel of giant marshmellows....

kalina

@MarkBuffalo who?

M'vy

wild ping ?

Matthew

Is this stuff still going on? What a plonker...

David Freitag

long meetings are long

kalina

14:43

said individual obviously needs a 10 year ban from chat so they can think about their actions

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune wants it to be handled privately so

kalina

is this "handled privately" or "hidden and forgotten"

Mark Buffalo

I used xkeyscore.gov.nsa.jpg.exe.com to look it up

Rоry McCune

@kalina well I'm sure we can depend on our trusty mod squad to deal with it

Matthew

Is it "handled privates"?

Simon

14:44

@RоryMcCune BUT I GOTS TO KNOW!!!

Where is that from again?

kalina

@RоryMcCune you're so generous while discussing a team that includes @AviD.

Rоry McCune

@kalina :)

Simon

@kalina loooooooooool

Mark Buffalo

Loll

kalina

well since it's been stated that sec.se mods can see who is responsible

I will be back once said individual has been banned

Matthew

14:45

The mystery flagger really wouldn't have liked the boobies conversation from a few days ago...

Rоry McCune

@Matthew or the BDSM one, I'd wager

Simon

I'm fairly sure that the person doesn't dislike the posts, he just wants to troll.

Matthew

I'd forgotten about that one. Took lots of effort to do so...

silverpenguin

@Simon how is the PWK going? is it good? are you learning alot?

Simon

@silverpenguin So far, yup. I'm rushing through the course guide to then have a lot of time remaining to attack the lab, which is where I'll be learning the most I assume.

Some Guy

14:47

How were the flags approved anyway?

Simon

@SomeGuy People from other rooms love to accept them.

Journeyman Geek

@SomeGuy any 10Ker anywhere or any mod can approve them

M'vy

@SomeGuy network chat wide

Some Guy

@Simon Have you done any certs before?

Simon

@SomeGuy Nope.

Some Guy

14:48

Aah, right

M'vy

@JourneymanGeek you don't need that much

silverpenguin

@Simon im worried about it, im afraid I wont learn alot.... I meaning how much can you learn from following excersises that are structured and not random ? if you know what i mean

M'vy

I'm not 10k anywhere. I guess it's network wide rep that counts

Journeyman Geek

I actually tried to dismiss those flags but I was too slow

@M'vy could be?

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek so did I :(

schroeder

14:49

@silverpenguin you WILL learn a lot

Matthew

@SomeGuy It's how @RоryMcCune and me could prevent blocking earlier

M'vy

I declined one at least

Some Guy

Yeah, I've heard the labs are great

schroeder

Sorry, folks. I cannot determine who flagged

Simon

@silverpenguin The lab consists of machines that you have no information about to pentest.

Rand al'Thor

14:50

@ArtOfCode So did I.

schroeder

it could be ..... any one of us >.>

silverpenguin

@schroeder you have done it?

Journeyman Geek

@schroeder thought not. If you learn how to... let me know ;p

silverpenguin

@Simon oooh nice

Some Guy

@schroeder @MarkBuffalo knows, apparently

ArtOfCode

14:50

how did they ever get validated with three or four mods trying to invalidate?

M'vy

race condition?

Journeyman Geek

@ArtOfCode fastest gun in the west

Rand al'Thor

@ArtOfCode 10k-ers being too quick.

Simon

@silverpenguin The guide guides (yeah no kidding) you to develop a methodology to pentest and makes you aware of what some tools can do for you.

ArtOfCode

damn those 10kers

Mark Buffalo

14:51

@Randal'Thor you're the flagger

M'vy

well, at their defence, flags were explicit. so.

Mark Buffalo

Exposed you are

Matthew

There are 10kers on the invalidate side too!

Simon

Pesky 10kers.

Rоry McCune

well I know I was hitting the "invalid button" as quickly as possible, but the site got a bit confused and then said the messages were gone

Simon

14:51

2k rep master race

Rand al'Thor

@MarkBuffalo I'm a mod, so nope. You wouldn't even have seen the flag if I'd raised it.

Matthew

Someone has figured out a bug to give people bans?

Rоry McCune

so we have a mystery flagger + some mystery flag validators!

M'vy

the plot thickens

Rоry McCune

would the lot of you consider perhaps moving to another room that more suits your needs

Simon

14:53

I don't care for the validators, I'm more annoyed by the one who triggers the whole thing.

Rоry McCune

we've been here quite happily (well mostly) for years

Matthew

Or just say "I'm the flagger", so we can all flag you

HamZa

ok guys and girls. I'll come clean. I'm the flagger. Reason: I got fed up with @kalina 's attitude. It would have only been fair to flag the other messages too. So did I. Where has the be nice policy gone?

Mark Buffalo

@Randal'Thor oh okay accusation withdrawn

Some Guy

@M'vy media.giphy.com/media/7krwucod3Pzag/giphy.gif .

schroeder

14:56

@Matthew AS AN ALTERNATIVE: you can simply PM me if you have concerns, and I can arbitrate in anonymity

M'vy

@SomeGuy :)

Matthew

@schroeder Too late!

kalina

@HamZa understood, won't be a problem

Rоry McCune

@HamZa but the messages flagged were clearly jokes and not hurtful to anyone, so I don't see how they contravened any policy!

ArtOfCode

@RоryMcCune context is a wonderful thing

Mark Buffalo

14:57

@HamZa wtf, you were the last person I suspected. I did look at your name, but went, "naaaaah... can't be him...."

ArtOfCode

to someone without context they don't appear as jokes

Rоry McCune

@ArtOfCode exactly a lot of things can appear to be offensive without context

ArtOfCode

which is not why they got flagged, but it is why they got validated

Rоry McCune

which is why it's so important when considering things

Simon

Sounds like it's time for Fluffy Simon to make a comeback, since I can't say shit anymore.

Mark Buffalo

14:57

Kalina and Simon joke all the time

HamZa

@RоryMcCune the last one were, my first flag was serious

Rоry McCune

@ArtOfCode this is kind of the point of the text in the room description

ArtOfCode

@RоryMcCune Agreed. The problem is that people considering flags don't look at context.

Iszi

@ArtOfCode Which is why the chat flag system is horribly broken.

HamZa

@MarkBuffalo I know but too much is too much.

Mark Buffalo

14:58

< has never flagged anyone

Rоry McCune

@ArtOfCode which is a great shame

ArtOfCode

@RоryMcCune anyone external looking at flags doesn't see that either

yep, chat moderation is very broken

Rоry McCune

@ArtOfCode ahh I generally try to go to a room before I flag validate...

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Sensible people such as we tend to be among the minority.

Rand al'Thor

14:59

@RоryMcCune If only all 10k-rep users were wise enough to do that.

ArtOfCode

You're a wonderful minority, then.

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