Charcoal HQ

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Dervina Firming Cream works very effectively by pebnortion fezi on superuser.com …

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Dervina Firming Cream has a lot of good ingreidnets by pebnortion fezi on drupal.stackexchange.com …

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu- same user

404

Why so early?

hichris123

confused spammer?

Woke up thinking it was Monday, wanted to get an early start?

Undo

2:25 AM

!!/addblu superuser.com/users/578378

SmokeDetector

@Undo User blacklisted (578378 on superuser.com).

Undo

oh

server issues. I'm just going to take the opportunity to move everything to a new server

Undo

2:53 AM

Basically everything that was running on erwaysoftware.com will be unavailable. I'll be bringing it back up in the next few days

2

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer: WinBUGS Weibull Network Meta-Analysis by mint on stackoverflow.com …

hichris123

@SmokeDetector naa-

SmokeDetector

3:13 AM

Restart: API quota is 8732.

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: Align Linear layout at the end of a TextView by Ramesh Mani Maran on stackoverflow.com …

Jeffrey Bosboom

@SmokeDetector f

404

3:42 AM

I cam up with (?:^|[^a-z0-9])Q{1,2}(?:[^a-z0-9]\D{0,7})?\d{9,10}\D for QQ number detection, for titles only.

No, (?:^| is not an emoticon....

Jeffrey Bosboom

@404 Add lowercase 'q'. Also 'Vxin' appeared a few times, particularly in titles using the circled numbers.

404

@JeffreyBosboom Yes, it's meant for a regex with case-insensitive match. All Smokey matches are case-insensitive, afaik. The bit \D{0,7} is meant to allow /WeChat: and /Vxin etc... The circled digits will not match (they are not \d even with Unicode flag), but this is not a problem because they trigger an alarm on their own).

Jeffrey Bosboom

Evaluating that as a case-insensitive Java regex (not sure about dialect differences), it also misses Metasmoke ID 21076 and 20370. I think 22389 and 22367 also have QQ numbers, though the digits are further from the Q at the start of the title.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer, few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Is there a second play through in Majora's Mask 3DS like there was in Ocarina of Time 3DS? by das on gaming.stackexchange.com …

404

@JeffreyBosboom Metasmoke is down, could you copy-paste these?

Jeffrey Bosboom

3:54 AM

22389: Q微(文凭毕业证成绩单)+285347871办理美国加州大学欧文分校UCI毕业证成绩单学历认证使馆认证文凭学生卡驾照University of California, Irvine
22367: Q微 (文凭毕业证成绩单)+181144918办理美国雪城大学SU毕业证成绩单学历认证使馆认证文凭学生卡驾照 Syracuse University
21076: 我2015年墨尔本大学毕业，成绩单挂科没拿到毕业证书怎么办咨询学历认证顾问NickQ\\微信869520616
20370: 毕业证成绩单文凭学历认证QQ: 234288114

(Is reposting spam here problematic?)

404

No, this chatroom is full of spam in question titles

Jeffrey Bosboom

Oh, right. Well, is that a problem, then? Are we preserving the spam?

404

Well, we've been doing that for years.

I see the problem with 20370: the final \D should really be negative lookahead (?!\d)

Similarly, the initial group should really be a negative lookbehind, (?<![a-z0-9])

The whole thing becomes (?<![a-z0-9])Q{1,2}(?:[^a-z0-9]\D{0,7})?\d{9,10}(?!\d)

I think this catches 21076 and 20370.

About 22389 and 22367, I think it's not really a problem because the separating characters (文凭毕业证成绩单) would cause a report on their own.

Jeffrey Bosboom

20370 is caught, but not 21076.

Also how about 4103: （行业标杆）Q/微：14732-77057格里菲斯大学毕业证成绩单学历认证 Griffith University

404

Ah that one has NickQ.... I'm inclined to give up on that one, because allowing any words ending in Q there would probably give false positives. About the hyphen: is it always in the middle?

Jeffrey Bosboom

4:05 AM

2839: UT毕业证文凭办理多伦多大学毕业证成绩单Q微信87\`5093\`404学历认证University of Toronto
2766: 加拿大KPU昆特兰理工大学毕业证( QV285347871)成绩单学历认证Kwantlen Polytechnic University
2398: 【质量第一QWeChat869520616】办理美国南加州大学USC毕业证成绩单可查学历认证University of Southern，California
2333: (永久存档 100%可查)Q~微14732.77057办理南安普顿大学毕业证成绩单学历认证 University of Southampton

4021: Q\\wechat 508544242办理美国普林斯顿大学毕业证成绩单真实教育部认证学历学位认证文凭

4027: [永久存档]Q/微:14732/77057渥太华大学毕业证成绩单文凭教育部认证university of ottawa

So it's not always a hyphen, but it does seem to be in the middle. Also WeChat and "QV" (Vxin?).

404

Right, maybe allow Q to be followed by V or Q...

How about this: (?<![a-z0-9])Q{1,2}(?:(?:[vw]|[^a-z0-9])\D{0,8})?\d{5}[./-]?\d{4,5}(?!\d)

The only one that fails to match is 2839, with \' things.

Jeffrey Bosboom

Looks good. There's nothing that obviously should be matched but isn't. There are a couple like this one that don't even have Q in them, but the Chinese-character check will catch them so that's okay.

3340: 扣+微285347871 办理澳洲墨尔本大学(毕业证成绩单文凭教育部认证使馆认证)The U niversity of M elbourne)

Glad I could be your regex testing oracle.

404

4:31 AM

Should it be a separate reason or just "bad keyword"? I suppose it's only for titles.

Past attempts with detecting phone numbers in post body failed.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: How i able to login my wordpress dashboard? by tech master on stackoverflow.com …

Jeffrey Bosboom

Looking at true positives with Chinese characters in titles but whose body does not match the regex, the only interesting one is 6459: Q\微信.9/5/6/2/9/0/7/6/0/毕'叶正成.暨单.办里、留\学\生认\正滑铁卢社区论坛
Q\微信.9/5/6/2/9/0/7/6/0/毕'叶正成.暨单.办里、留\学\生认\正滑铁卢社区论坛
Q\微信.9/5/6/2/9/0/7/6/0/毕'叶正成.暨单.办里、留\学\生认\正滑铁卢社区论坛
...

But I guess we want to look at posts not already caught by the Chinese filter to see if it's worth checking the body, and I didn't save that.

404

Yes, but the real issue is not these posts, but the other 99.9% of posts that are not spam, and have all kinds of everything in them.

Jeffrey Bosboom

Remember there was some degree spam on ELU that had English titles?

404

Yes, but I don't remember what was in post body and without metasmoke...

Jeffrey Bosboom

4:40 AM

Yeah, I don't have those posts saved. But they might be a reason to check bodies if the false positive rate is low enough. We may as well turn it on for titles in the meanwhile, though.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How can I invest my personal money in my own Limited company in the UK? by George Phlilp on money.stackexchange.com …

404

sd k

For the time being, I added it as a reason "messaging number" and for titles only. We'll see how it goes.

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 8be65e4 (Normal Human: QQ number detection) (running on Raspberry Pi)

Restart: API quota is 8474.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in body, email in body, blacklisted user: do you need a loan to pay off bills? by George Phlilp on money.stackexchange.com …

Jeffrey Bosboom

We already have an ICQ number regex, and hichris123 added one specific QQ number used in one of the spam waves, that could presumably be removed.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer, few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Looking for replacement of "DIN" font by GRONKY on stackoverflow.com …

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, blacklisted user: Do you need to pay taxes on cash poker games? by George Phlilp on money.stackexchange.com …

404

4:52 AM

sd f 3k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: How to pull an exhaustive list of securities traded globally, on bloomberg? by eethkr on quant.stackexchange.com …

404

Not spam, I'm not sure about f vs n

Maybe n

@JeffreyBosboom Right, the number can go now. The ICQ number regex is entered as "bad keyword" which makes it enabled for post text as well. It's considerably more rigid, though... I don't even remember it catching anything since.

@SmokeDetector n

OK, let's try Q detection for bodies and see if false positives happen.

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 5fa8a18 (Normal Human: enable QQ for question bodies (answers excluded)) (running on Raspberry Pi)

Restart: API quota is 8427.

SmokeDetector

6:08 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Why does this charector not display correctly? by block14 on stackoverflow.com …

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, offensive answer detected: Can I replace a "shucked" usb drive in a striped storage space? by Shit on superuser.com …

SmokeDetector

7:01 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Miracle Bust Are there any confinements? by nutrition health on askubuntu.com …

SmokeDetector

8:39 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: It has been found in the investigative by Bereand27 on gaming.stackexchange.com …

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Do these EBC brake pads look like a counterfeit? by Abbottcost on mechanics.stackexchange.com …

Jeffrey Bosboom

sd ignore- k k k

SmokeDetector

9:30 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Shortened URL in answer: Can't update to WhatsApp latest version by Shashi Gada on android.stackexchange.com (@AndrewT.) …

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Can I play ARK: Survival Evolved on my MacBook Air? by Gavri the gayver on apple.stackexchange.com …

rene

9:50 AM

sd n k

IͶΔ

10:27 AM

Nugget cake

Ferrybig

Did anyone notice Undo that metasmoke is down?

IͶΔ

Undo something broke.

@Ferrybig Yes.

ProgramFOX

8 hours ago, by Undo

Basically everything that was running on erwaysoftware.com will be unavailable. I'll be bringing it back up in the next few days

IͶΔ

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

SmokeDetector

11:05 AM

Restart: API quota is 7123.

SmokeDetector

11:38 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: how to reinstall graphics driver by user295092 on superuser.com …

Ferrybig

^seems suspisious

Not sure for spam or naa

Wrzlprmft

@Ferrybig Considering the URL, I am sufficiently confident that it is spam.

SmokeDetector

12:16 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why did Snape commit his halfblood nickname to writing? by durg on scifi.stackexchange.com …

IͶΔ

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: High Voltage Capacitor, in a low voltage system? by Nakibali Benard on electronics.stackexchange.com …

SmokeDetector

12:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: ALL PEOPLE ARE INCREASE MUSCLE BY TestoBoost Pro? by carolineparisi on arduino.stackexchange.com (@NickGammon) …

rene

sd k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: To be extremely fair so far no such astonishing and clinically by Alose1986 on gaming.stackexchange.com …

SmokeDetector

1:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: The most effective method to USE by Loory1970 on gaming.stackexchange.com …

rene

sd 2k

SmokeDetector

1:32 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Changing colour of a line in photoshop by HSfsaaf on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com (@JohnB) …

rene

sd k

SmokeDetector

1:48 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body: What is its impact Neu Serum Pro? by Neu Serum Pro on gaming.stackexchange.com …

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: What precisely are the inclinations Neu Serum Pro? by Neu Serum Pro on stackoverflow.com …

rene

sd 2k

Undo

2:27 PM

okay, let's Make Metasmoke Run Again!

you know, we've been accepting 503 errors for a long, long time. It's terrible, just terrible. We're going to build a wall - a big, beautiful wall - with a gate where the 200 success codes can come in legally!

SmokeDetector

2:53 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Miracle Bust Scam Or Real Deal? by Adtti Chuhan on drupal.stackexchange.com …

IͶΔ

@SmokeDetector K

Heh, tagged as "views".

!!/alive?

@Undo Of course

!!/reboot

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 5fa8a18 (Normal Human: enable QQ for question bodies (answers excluded)) (running on Raspberry Pi)

Undo

3:02 PM

yay

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 6134.

Undo

Metasmoke should be back up, sans SSL. You might need to clear your browser cache so it doesn't try to redirect http -> https.

SSL is coming later today, or maybe tomorrow.

SmokeDetector

3:25 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: Does an adult dog need regular walks if it has a large yard to run in? by Olivia Austin on pets.stackexchange.com …

404

sd k

A charitable interpretation could be VLQ, but I think it's spam.

hichris123

especially when the other answer by that user is pets.stackexchange.com/questions/10761/…

404

@hichris123 Ugh. Look at this: pets.stackexchange.com/…

hichris123

3:41 PM

:(

404

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev b8a3681 (Normal Human: + petsworld) (running on Raspberry Pi)

Restart: API quota is 5907.

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: What command means "do nothing" in a conditional in BASH? by rouer on stackoverflow.com …

ArtOfCode

Reported to Pets mods.

SmokeDetector

4:24 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Export and Import the lookup relationship data in SharePoint 2013 by Maria Grazia Merlo on sharepoint.stackexchange.com …

Ferrybig

@SmokeDetector k (Missing correct affiliation)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: How to get information of a deleted video through YouTube api v2/v3 (JSON) by easy on stackoverflow.com …

Ferrybig

^ borderline naa/spam

I think its spam, after looking carefully

IͶΔ

4:47 PM

@SmokeDetector K

It's gone.

hichris123

!!/report superuser.com/questions/1057558/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: PDF: File is damaged and couldn't be repaired by FeliciaDouglas on superuser.com …

IͶΔ

@hichris123 Might it be that the Q is a spam seed?

hichris123

yes, but I didn't feel like reporting both the Q & the A.

IͶΔ

@SmokeDetector K

Cake

SmokeDetector

4:54 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Are any geosynchronous satellites visible with the naked eye? by James Wright on space.stackexchange.com …

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Fix Soft Bricked Samsung Galaxy S4 SCH-I545 by Cockhead on android.stackexchange.com (@AndrewT.) …

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Did Fairy Tail go on hiatus again? by Chicken on anime.stackexchange.com …

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: cygwin extracting to another directory by strong120 on stackoverflow.com …

IͶΔ

@SmokeDetector f edited

@SmokeDetector K

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: What free Remote Desktop (server) solutions are there? by GregL on askubuntu.com …

IͶΔ

@SmokeDetector K

@SmokeDetector N sharing memories are we?

@SmokeDetector Dunno

404

5:21 PM

@SmokeDetector k

Windows software. — Eric Carvalho 49 secs ago

OK, that clarifies things.

SmokeDetector

6:20 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer: Can't download folder from Dropbox by alexandrestark on webapps.stackexchange.com …

404

6:35 PM

sd n

James Jenkins

@SmokeDetector thank you on behalf of Pets.SE clean up completed.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Reloading nginx configuration: nginx failed by themlgvan730 on stackoverflow.com …

SmokeDetector

6:57 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Export and Import the lookup relationship data in SharePoint 2013 by Maria Grazia Merlo on sharepoint.stackexchange.com …

404

@SmokeDetector n

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: Python: How do Python: How do Python: How do Python: How do by rez on stackoverflow.com …

404

@SmokeDetector edited

SmokeDetector

7:22 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: SharePoint 2013 Workflow create Folder (Problem with name / title) by Maria Grazia Merlo on sharepoint.stackexchange.com …

rene

7:44 PM

!//rmblu sharepoint.stackexchange.com/u/50356

!!/rmblu sharepoint.stackexchange.com/u/50356

SmokeDetector

@rene User removed from blacklist (50356 on sharepoint.stackexchange.com).

Ferrybig

@rene I blacklisted him because he spammed without attribution

rene

@SmokeDetector ignore edited by moderator

SmokeDetector

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

rene

@Ferrybig yeah, I saw, but I assume that mod knows what he is editing

SmokeDetector

8:38 PM

API quota rolled over with 4552 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.

stackoverflow: 817
superuser: 345
askubuntu: 340
unix: 171
drupal: 162
math: 151
english: 128
electronics: 114
gaming: 104
mathoverflow.net: 101
ell: 91
apple: 84
wordpress: 83
mathematica: 83
scifi: 82
android: 77
security: 68
money: 65
academia: 62
physics: 61
gamedev: 58
programmers: 56
webapps: 55
tex: 55
dba: 55
travel: 54
gis: 54
codegolf: 50
stats: 47
arduino: 45
meta: 45
diy: 44
history: 43
ru.stackoverflow: 42
cs: 42
movies: 41
sharepoint: 40
raspberrypi: 39
judaism: 38
magento: 38
salesforce: 37

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: "A million and a half" vs. "one and a half million" by Louis Previl on english.stackexchange.com …

SmokeDetector

8:55 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: how to add Captcha to my custom form in Wordpress without plugin? by آهنگ on stackoverflow.com …

Ferrybig

^seems naa, not spam in my view

ArtOfCode

either way it's gone

Yeah, probably NAA

sd n

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in body, email in body: Legit loan offer by RTC on money.stackexchange.com …

404

sd k

SmokeDetector

9:21 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Where can I find a good online thesaurus? by Jesse Gilbert on writers.stackexchange.com …

ArtOfCode

sd n

@Undo what do they charge you for EC2 usage? Free tier is great and all, but I want to know how much it's going to cost me when it's not free any more, and the pricing docs are terrible.

404

@ArtOfCode My t2.nano cost me USD 5.67 last month. Of them, 4.84 for runtime ($0.0065 per hour, 744 Hrs), 0.80 for storage (0.10 per GB per month, I have 8 GB), and 0.03 for data transfer.

ArtOfCode

9:36 PM

@404 What kinda use does that get? Comparable to a Rails server?

hichris123

@404 Why do you watch the Tavern in your spam tracking script? github.com/normalhuman/SDtracker/blob/master/ws.py#L48

404

@ArtOfCode Very little use: it constantly watches two chatrooms, calls API on Smoke reports, and flags posts. I.e., what hichris linked to.

hichris123

@ArtOfCode AWS charges are the same whether you use the instance a ton or not.

404

@hichris123 bjb can't find people to review his code; I have the opposite problem. :P

@hichris123 Data transfer adds a bit (a tiny bit)

ArtOfCode

Don't runtime costs stack too?

hichris123

9:38 PM

Well yeah... but it's like a penny per extra GB or something like that.

@ArtOfCode What do you mean?

@404 :P I'm thinking of running it locally.

ArtOfCode

Oh, so runtime is "time the thing's on" rather than CPU-hours.

404

Yes, that's what I meant.

@hichris123 No reason other than sometimes there are huge gifs and I don't feel like wasting home data plan on them.

Then I can read messages via the AWS. :)

hichris123

@ArtOfCode And you can even get a reserved instance; for a t2.nano that's $38 a year (but all upfront).

@404 Ah. :)

ArtOfCode

@hichris123 I assume data transfer costs still stack up?

hichris123

Yep but again that's a very very small amount.

And you'd still have to pay for storage.

ArtOfCode

9:41 PM

Sure. That might be worth it... let's see what it is for a micro

hichris123

$75 for all upfront for a year.

404

The transfer cost varies by zones, but the maximum for me is 0.02 per GB.

ArtOfCode

So that's like £50, plus storage.

Assuming storage costs are the same, that's £60/year

which is a fiver a month exactly

That sounds worth it, unless I can make it work on a nano.

404

BTW I never considered a reserved instance... the 3 yr plan sounds good, actually.

hichris123

It's good except for you can't pay for it with credits.

SmokeDetector

9:48 PM

Restart: API quota is 9735.

404

By the way, there is an Area 51 proposal for things like we discussed here.

13

Practical cloud computing

Proposed Q&A site for q&A site for professionals using AWS, GCP, OpenStack, Azure, Digital Ocean and other cloud platforms.

Currently in definition.

hichris123

Isn't that Server Fault?

As long as you're a "professional".

ArtOfCode

Hm, this will need some investigation over the next few months...

From a simple free -m snapshot it looks like I'm using more than 500MB RAM. From a ps aux profile, I'm using under 50%.

404

Indeed, the "professionals" part seems misplaced. SF is "about managing information technology systems in a business environment", which my EC2 definitely isn't. Undo might qualify as a business owner, though...

ArtOfCode

I dunno, some companies run their stuff on EC2.

hichris123

9:56 PM

@404 Yeah... if you were to say it's for fun your question would be closed on SF. :/

404

You can ask about EC2, just be sure to say that you are paid by someone to manage it, and you hate your stupid boss.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: What is ' and why google search replaces it with apostrophe? by Fu ck on stackoverflow.com …

ArtOfCode

sd k

On today's episode of Spam or Ham, we debate whether post 23666 is legit or the work of a dirty rotten spammer!

What do y'all think?

404

Looks relevant to me, I think NAA

Undo

10:16 PM

@ArtOfCode Not much

I'm running a client's app on another instance, so this is a little skewed.

The Route 53 stuff is a domain name renewal, so ignore it

Note that data transfer (for everything, including the other client app) is a grand total of $0.57

and ignore that t2.nano, and about 8GB of the EBS storage. That's consulting stuff

also, I'm running a t2.micro, not a t2.nano (which you'd probably use)

ArtOfCode

So you're doing about $10/mo for metasmoke

Undo

a little less than that, and I'm running a heck of a lot more than metasmoke

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Parse input from HTML <form> in GoLang by aaa on stackoverflow.com …

ArtOfCode

Even that's not too bad... that's £7.02 or thereabouts

Undo

also, for some reason I'm not on a reserved instance. I really should fix that.

oh, yeah I am

ArtOfCode

10:23 PM

^^ yours, Undo

gone

sd k

404

@ArtOfCode Price varies by Availability Zone, Europe is more expensive.

ArtOfCode

@404 Ack. Maybe I'd better move it to the US.

Undo

@404 in some cases.

AZs are weird and only really matter if you're running crazy production things

404

Right, so no reason not to use us-east for everything, no matter your location.

ArtOfCode

Mine's in eu-west-1, Ireland I think. Nice for being close to me, but if it's more expensive then 20 extra milliseconds per trip is not a high price.

Undo

10:24 PM

Yeah

@ArtOfCode Something like that. Lemme check pricing

On demand, us-east t2.nano is $0.0065 per hour

ArtOfCode

$0.0070 here

Undo

In the EU it's $0.007 or $0.0075 per hour

so it'd be worth it. Only save you a few dollars annually, but... really, that round trip ping time isn't gonna be your bottleneck

ArtOfCode

$5.20/mo

Undo

unless you're Netflix or something, in which case... "can I have some money?"

ArtOfCode

or $4.83/mo US

Aye, worth it.

404

10:27 PM

> Next time a vendor screws around on pricing, remind them SpaceX's website has how much they charge to SEND A SATELLITE INTO SPACE. -- SecuriTay at 7:06 PM - 2 Apr 2016 via Twitter

ArtOfCode

Can I migrate instances between zones or am I going to have to reconfig everything?

Undo

@ArtOfCode Make a snapshot of the EBS volume, launch instance in another zone from that snapshot

Pretty sure that'll work

ArtOfCode

huh, okay

Undo

you might have to turn that snapshot into an AMI

ArtOfCode

oh, and can I migrate elastic IPs or do I have to re-work DNS

shrug

let's go find out

Huh, wait, it's 23:30. Maybe tomorrow.

Undo

10:29 PM

oh wait, that actually won't work

snapshots and AMIs are apparently stuck in their regions

Can move around AZs within regions, but not between regions

ah.

ArtOfCode

Damn, reconfig it is

Undo

docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/CopyingAMIs.html

^ So the workflow is:

1) Make snapshot

2) Create AMI from snapshot

3) Copy AMI to desired region

4) Launch instance from AMI

... 5) delete all the crap you just created because Amazon actually doesn't forget to bill you for it

Of course, you could take the opportunity to sharpen your sysadmining skills and reconfigure everything from scratch, scp'ing across what you need when you need it.

@ArtOfCode EIPs don't cross regions, you'll have to get a new one and rewrite DNS

which isn't all that bad.

ArtOfCode

It might be less risky for my wallet to just reconfigure. It's mostly on GH, though there'll be a bunch of pip and bundle installs to do. And config files to copy over into vim.

Undo

@ArtOfCode protip: scp your entire home folder.

ArtOfCode

@Undo Nah, it's not too bad, it just takes a while to flush round.

Undo

10:33 PM

and whatever else you want

ArtOfCode

what even is scp

Undo

secure copy

ArtOfCode

You can tell I'm good with linux

Undo

copy files over SSH

ArtOfCode

Oh right. That sounds useful.

Undo

10:34 PM

also, set yourself up a MySQL backup script that copies all your databases to S3 every night.

ArtOfCode

Heh, 11 years of working with Windows machines means I can do just about anything with one. Linux? Yeah, only had an EC2 instance for a month.

Undo

That's a small part of the $0.30 for S3 in that bill

Set up a rule on S3 to delete files after they're 30 days old, and you have a bulletproof backup solution that's easy to restore.

ArtOfCode

Oh right, that's cheap then. It's SQLite, I'm using the default rails stuff, but I guess you can do the same.

hichris123

I have $50 in S3 credits... and I think I've used like $2 of that in the past few years.

Undo

@ArtOfCode Just use MySQL, then you get to steal gist.github.com/oodavid/2206527

hichris123

10:36 PM

On the other hand... AMIs/EBS snapshots are expensive. It's like $2/month just to keep 2 snapshots.

ArtOfCode

@Undo True, but then I have to set up MySQL, and I had enough fun(?) doing that for metasmoke. And it still doesn't really work.

Undo

@ArtOfCode heck of a lot easier on Linux

ArtOfCode

@Undo this was linux

Undo

oh. I've never had issues with it.

What kind of problems?

ArtOfCode

I may be a good developer, but give me a Linux machine to sysadmin and yeah...

Undo

10:38 PM

@SmokeDetector f... I guess?

@SmokeDetector f

404

Maybe LQ, but yeah

ArtOfCode

More of a Skeptics question, if he could source it.

hichris123

@ArtOfCode There's always RDS but that's another however many $...

Undo

RDS is for production things with a budget

ArtOfCode

@Undo Rails migrations and the DB backup I had from you didn't play nice

Undo

10:39 PM

@ArtOfCode Ohhhh. Yeah, that makes a little sense.

It probably wanted to run the migrations after the database got imported?

hichris123

@Undo Except for when you're on the free tier. :)

Undo

well yeah. I wish I had my free tier back :(

ArtOfCode

I tried adding something, migrated the DB from rails, imported the database which removed everything and re-created the tables.

Back to square one.

I made it just insert not drop & create first, and then the migrations complained.

Undo

strange, it should have played nice if you migrated then imported.

also... sorry for upgrading everything to Rails 5b3, I bet that'll give you issues too

heck, it gave me issues on OS X.

bundle update is your friend

ArtOfCode

Say what you like about Microsoft, but their GUI is solid.

I haven't even tried updating my copy :)

Undo

10:42 PM

@ArtOfCode Honestly, one of the big reasons I don't like Windows laptops is that the trackpads always feel... crappy.

Slip-stick friction. Almost worse than styrofoam.

ArtOfCode

Most of my metasmoke development is doing it based on the code not the environment so I don't have to touch any upgrades, then hoping I got it right and that different versions don't break everything.

Undo

@ArtOfCode hah, that's a valid way.

ArtOfCode

[panic-driven-development]

@Undo Oh, mine is nice. That said, I also use an external mouse whenever I'm not working away from home.

Acer Aspire E1-572.

The Aspire series have mixed reviews, but the E1-572 was one of the better ones, and it has served me three solid years through two OS major upgrades.

Undo

Is it insanity to be refreshing tracking pages even though I know it's Sunday and there's no way anything is moving?

ArtOfCode

slightly

Anyway, it's now 23:45, I'd best be off. Night, all, and thanks for your help.

Undo

10:45 PM

Night :)

Why is Comodo blacklisted?

hichris123

Probably that mega SU list...

@SmokeDetector fp-