i think the only consistent american culture is the self-stereotyped one

@whatsisname mayhaps.. It doesn't matter. I don't even remember what I saw that made the conjecture come to mind.

So which one of you is him?

I'm waiting for git to bisect things

@Ixrec you know smart formal things. Why is bisect different from disect? I know it is, I know what they both mean, but shouldn't they mean the same thing?

you mean the git commands or the fact that in normal English one is a math word and one is an animal science word?

@Ixrec they're both animal science words though- and I mean in terms of animal science why do they mean different things?

are they? well bisect is a math word too

@Ixrec yeah, but that's not what I mean

pretty much, that's what I'd assume, and what Google says

@GlenH7 yeah, but isn't di also referening 2?

oh ok that actually makes sense. to "di-sect" would cause 2, to "bi" sect would cause 2 equally

because di does typically refer to 2

those are the best app change notes I've ever read

url?

haha ok

lol what?

never mind then

> Please don't downvote so hastily ... this is a theory question that will affect many developers

beautiful

what did I miss?

@GlenH7 oh, well dis makes clear how it means what it does. Nevermind. I'm an idiot simply confused by my own inability to spell.

only 4 tabs open? weak

@MichaelT I was wondering why, but it's whatever I suppose

He's entitled to the right to ignore you. C'est la vie.

don't ever call me that again

@whatsisname 10 here and sadly most of them are Bugzilla tabs, constituting my "must do today". It keeps growing rather than shrinking :(

I need (a) a holiday, and (b) someone to do all my work for me (properly) while I'm gone.

@GlenH7 actually true!

@JimmyHoffa A game?

James Hoffa. Hmm, yeah, I spy a new room meme.

inb4 whoosh

you are redeemed

In a meeting - can't replicate it in my head

deleted?!

sissy!

I've proper got the shakes today :(

Nearly dropped the tea tray walking in

that can't be a good sign

Low blood sugar?

Fits but I can't explain how it'd be the case

try some OJ or Soda maybe?

Are the shakes a sign of diabetes? Because I consume a lot of sugar when I think about it

I haven't had my Coke today - just a couple of cups of tea

maybe my body now needs that much sugar :/

I would eat first and see if that helps.

or I ruined my whateveritis thingie that produces insulin so that it's in overdrive or however it works

@Ampt started just before lunch; continued afterwards :(

I've waaaay overdue for a GP checkup anyway so this is a good reason to finally get on and book that

my hands shake a little bit every once in a while, though this was pretty extreme

I would suggest that, yeah

felt like I was going to faint just before putting the tray down. sudden moment of panic

yikes. probably ought to schedule that

yeah

mind you, I've not had much sleep over the last few days. maybe that's all it is. I'm the last one to panic about health (though that's not always a good thing)

lack of sleep shouldn't give you the shakes - you'd get microsleeps

hum really I figured exhaustion could manifest more subtly than just falling asleep

I'm just a sock

:D

go see a sock with a doctorate

Dr Sock

on a sidenote, does it wind up anyone else when the uneducated filth call Spock "Dr Spock"?

cos it sure winds me up

<-- educated filth

excellent

well at least I'm not assuredly dying. that's good to know.

yeah I will

beer night tonight so we'll see whether I feel better

frankly my working theory so far has been that my mini shakes are more likely a symptom of alcoholism :P

I'm better now but until last year I drank a lot

now I only go out once a week so two pints and four double vodkas and I'm down for the count.

@GlenH7 there's certainly enough of that. I suspect I've internalised a lot of it into my daily routine so I don't consciously realise I'm so stressed

but when I look at everything going on, and how stressed it was making me a few months ago, it's not unlikely

alcohol dependence wears off relatively fast - at least the physical causing the shakes part. If you mean "last year" as in 2 months ago and you're still getting the shakes, unless you've been binging or still drinking quite a bit recently I wouldn't attribute it to that.

@GlenH7 that'll be over six or seven hours

pretty typical around my way. not saying it's good for you

@GlenH7 yeah :(

@JimmyHoffa I do still drink but I always attributed its onset to my going out three or four times per week and doing the above

and to be honest I haven't noticed much shaking in ages until today

@GlenH7 how much is a handle?

jesus

I think once you're habitually drinking during the day you've got problems

earliest I've drunk on a work day was a bit of vodka in my coke at 4pm ish a few weeks back because I really couldn't be arsed

but it's not like I had any more than that the rest of the day :D

@PreferenceBean this counts as a binge. If you've done that recently then the shakes can definitely be attributed to that. Physical dependence is something the body becomes attuned to - it can go away quickly, but the body's ability to go back to that dependence very quickly will be there if you built it to be as such. If your body has a chemical dependence on alcohol, and you stop for 1 month - 1 binge will reignite that dependence and likely cause detox symptoms

Any tips on getting Tableau's support to give me the undocumented goods?

@PreferenceBean chemical dependence and actual drunkenness aren't related; that's why alcoholics can drink truckloads without getting overly tossered- they're dependent but not necessarily feeling significant effects because their body has adapted. You can get your body to adapt back to normal levels but it will quickly become dependent again because it's learned to adjust for that. Drinking a lot over long period may not cause you to be drunk, but will cause you to be dependent

the drinking-slowly-over-a-long-period thing doesn't stop your body from adapting

That's a separate ticket, I'm sure.

@JimmyHoffa sounds reasonable

@JimmyHoffa hmm that sounds reasonable too, given that I've just massively cut my intake a few months ago?

@GlenH7 at least they're not tightly coupled

I want to change my API

wah

@GlenH7 excellent

@AaronHall Congratulations! That's even more vague than all your other requirements so far!

@AaronHall Money. Lots of money.

Also maybe some flowers?

hums the theme to Monty Python's Meaning of Life

;p

@PreferenceBean you plausibly had a dependence a few months ago, if you binge now you'll reignite it. The significant physical symptoms of withdrawal for alcoholism wear off over ~2-4 weeks depending on the level of dependency and your individual body. But a binge would still cause your body to go back into dependence mode fast causing the withdrawal to start all over again.

@JimmyHoffa how long do I have to not drink to fix it forever

@GlenH7 to enable me to do one binge without becoming dependent again

or is that impossible now

or was it always impossible

I wish you could dislike youtube videos straight from the search results without even watching them

@PreferenceBean ... never drink again? :) I don't rightly know, it depends on a ton of things and I'm no doc. I'm not inclined to say the body's ability to adapt to dependence quickly goes away over time completely. The way the body adapts to dependence is through actual physical changes; it's like exercising builds muscle - that's an actual physical change you can see. The same occurs with chemical dependence, it's just not visible to the naked eye like muscle growth is.

sounds like you're saying I should drink more :)

If someone works out a lot for a long time, they'll become very muscular, if they stop altogether, it takes a significant time for the musculature to atrophy back to a pre-exercise state

@JimmyHoffa but a depressingly short time nonetheless

@GlenH7 ooh tell me about it. just five years ago I could drink twice that and not have a hangover (and I did... frequently :/)

@enderland haha true. Everyone's body is different.

(I realise the frequency part helped with the not getting a hangover part)

(but same frequency same amount last year, lots of hangover)

@GlenH7 :(

well, thank you for your advice

you guys are far more helpful on medical matters than on programming matters, it turns out. let's rename the site surgery.se

@GlenH7 Exerwhatnow?

I was cursed with a high metabolism, and the reason that that's a curse is that I've never had to exercise to stay thin. So I've basically never exercised.

@GlenH7 Well when you put it like that...!

signs up at three gyms

People say "drinking alone" is a sign of alcoholism; I don't buy it. I find it harder to drink less in social settings, when I drink at home I never go over 2 drinks in a night. My suggestion to you would be to set a hard amount on how much you'll allow yourself in a night (not a rate - the rate doesn't effect physical dependence, it's the amount that matters). Then figure out what you enjoy enough to only have 2 of. I like whiskey, it's easy for me to sip on whiskey and stop after 2

:D

@JimmyHoffa meh I'm never good at setting specific limits

doesn't help that motivation goes down the shitter when you're drunk already

@PreferenceBean if you can't do limits, I would encourage you to stop altogether.. honestly. Limited intake or no intake are the only ways to be even remotely safe about it.

@GlenH7 I used to walk a fair bit. But since I stopped going out drinking, I am not really walking anywhere any more. heh

@JimmyHoffa It's something I've considered. It would be a huge challenge for me though

Won't rule it out

I never get past 3

@GlenH7 this

your honour

well anyway I'm down at the office today so I'm off to the hotel now to keep the bar in business

so on that bombshell

No, 3 is just my limit, any time I go past it, I'm very unhappy the next day.

well who am I kidding I'll see you later on THE AWESOME MOBILE CHAT BETA

@PreferenceBean take it up to your room and play video games or something while you drink, maybe it'll be bed time before you put down 4 triple tequilas or whatever your binge would look like otherwise heh

last time I went past 3 was a year ago at a party at a hedge fund

That was an interesting roof-top party. They had a tattoo guy in a back room, a hot-dog guy handing out hotdogs out on the deck, 2 open bars scattered around, a few kegs, a few lemonade casks filled with unlabled brightly colored fluid, and hundreds of people, about a quarter of whom were employees.

The guy running the show reminded me of these guys I knew back in college who were in their 30s and running parties with frats and student orgs.

> I want NYSE tattooed on my ass! Woo!

I sipped their best scotch a couple of glasses worth, then helped myself to the beer and punch...

didn't drink for a month after

@JimmyHoffa drinking excessively alone *

@enderland it's typically not said that way though- it's commonly said that drinking alone either means you're an alcoholic or will make you an alcoholic. Perhaps the better phrasing would be, alcoholics often drink alone.

@GlenH7 other way around- alcoholism often makes people antisocial

and I am introverted and not alcoholic.. :)

hehe

@JimmyHoffa when I'm on my own I'll stay in the room watching Supergirl (and other TV), talking here, SO-ing, working...

pop down to the bar to grab a bottle of Budvar two maybe three times over the evening

but when others are at the hotel we eat together

i haven't gotten anything worthwhile done

@JimmyHoffa it has to get pretty bad though

at least in a pub culture, if you don't drink through an evening you don't really have any friends ^_^

of course I'm massively generalising, as there are other activities in life. but I dare say most choose the pub route....

it's the de facto social setting in the UK

so if you are an alcoholic to the extent that at 10pm you can't tell yourself "no more, go home", you're going to be doing extra socialising until 1am when you're bladdered

that's three extra hours per night! :D

but yeah once it gets bad enough that you're literally just staying at home getting arseholed by yourself, odds are you're not going to actually get in anywhere let alone want to try

and you'll never see anyone

that's what I think anyway