The Nineteenth Byte

El'endia Starman

5:03 AM

Doorknob

It's a shame those 40 extra people viewed Is the time linear?.

El'endia Starman

yeah :P

Geobits

... and didn't downvote it ;)

El'endia Starman

+9/-8 ...ye sure? :P

Geobits

Let's see... yep, the math checks out :P

Anonymous

5:06 AM

We're approaching 2 weeks with no word back from Grace about graduation :/

Anonymous

I really wish this was surprising

Anonymous

Maybe we should take a cue from CR and superping the CEO

Maltysen

and he still has this chat open D:

Geobits

Let me know ahead of time so my popcorn has time to pop.

Doorknob

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(TIL Bad Idea is a magazine.)

Anonymous

5:10 AM

@Doorknob Yeah I know, doing anything CR would do or has done is a terrible idea

Dennis

The last message was posted 1 hour ago. Okay, I should stop screwing with my system clock.

Anonymous

But so far the only effective way to get communication/answers with the CMs seems to be being extremely annoying and persistent

Doorknob

I'm sure they're working on it

Anonymous

How I imagine it's going down:

Anonymous

"Huh, that's weird. They should've raised some flags. Must be a bug in the system..." 2 weeks later "This bug is really hard to quash! I feel as if I'm forgetting something..."

Anonymous

5:13 AM

El'endia Starman

Going through Duolingo and I get this phrase to translate: Er kommt.

Doorknob

translate en: Er kommt.

(from German) He comes.

El'endia Starman

He comes.

Sp3000

@El'endiaStarman ^

Doorknob

translate en: Tony the Pony er kommt.

(from English) Tony the Pony er kommt.

thanks

El'endia Starman

5:14 AM

You put "en", what did you expect?

Wait, isn't German "de"?

somebody

to en

El'endia Starman

Yeah, that makes more sense.

But why put it? Isn't to English the default?

translate: Er kommt.

(from German) He comes.

Doorknob

translate: Lo que pongo después de "traducir" es la lengua a que se traduce.

El'endia Starman

translate: Tony die Pony kommt.

Doorknob

(from Spanish) Put after "translate" what language that translates.

El'endia Starman

5:15 AM

(from German) Tony the pony comes.

Doorknob

@Doorknob Okay, can't tell whether to blame Bing or my terrible Spanish skills :P

El'endia Starman

haha

Anonymous

Always blame Bing

El'endia Starman

translate: Tony die Pony, er kommt.

(from German) Tony the pony, he comes.

Dennis

Ew.

El'endia Starman

5:16 AM

pfffft

Doorknob

-1 not enough Zalgo

El'endia Starman

There's always that one guy...

translate: Sie kommt aus Deutschland.

(from German) She comes from Germany.

translate: Sie kommen aus Deutschland.

(from German) They come from Germany.

German trivia of the day: "Sie" can mean her, they, or formal you.

Dennis

I should definitely stop screwing with my system clock.

►

Anonymous

@Dennis boing boing boing

Doorknob

@Dennis hahahaha what

Sp3000

5:18 AM

"This channel has no content."

:(

Dennis

Oh noes, it's starting again.

El'endia Starman

@Dennis ...what is going on?

Doorknob

Dennis is screwing with his system clock

clearly :P

El'endia Starman

Yeah, but why is that happening?

Dennis

I messed with the system clock to test a few submissions from the "linear time" challenge. Chat is not amused.

OK, refreshing the tab seems to have fixed it.

El'endia Starman

5:27 AM

translate de: She is cute.

(from English) Sie ist süß.

translate de: She is sweet.

(from English) Sie ist süß.

translate de: Sugar is sweet.

(from English) Zucker ist süß.

translate de: Sugar is cute.

(from English) Zucker ist süß.

Doorknob

... interesting.

El'endia Starman

Haha, from Duolingo:

> The word süß means sweet when referring to food, and cute when referring to living beings.

translate: Sie is süß.

(from German) She is sweet.

...

Anonymous

blame-bing

Dennis

hahahaha

Anonymous

We've gone over this

El'endia Starman

5:30 AM

translate: Die Katze ist süß.

(from German) The cat is cute.

Dennis

translate de: Bing is bad for you.

(from English) Bing ist schlecht für Sie.

El'endia Starman

translate de: dog

(from English) Hund

translate: Die Hund ist süß.

(from German) The dog is cute.

So, people are sweet, but animals are cute. :P

Dennis

Cannibals.

It's der Hund btw.

somebody

wait what how

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Ah-ha, thanks.

Doorknob

5:32 AM

translate de: Translate is a mod-only power.

(from English) Übersetzen ist eine nur-mod macht.

El'endia Starman

@somebody Mod superpower.

somebody

damnit

Doorknob

translate: Übersetzen ist eine nur-mod macht.

(from German) Translating is a only mod makes.

claps

somebody

what

Anonymous

I wouldn't call being able to use Bing translate a superpower

El'endia Starman

5:32 AM

bing

Anonymous

If anything, it's a good reason not to become a mod

Dennis

OK, Bing could at least capitalize Macht.

somebody

hmm

El'endia Starman

@Mego It's a power beyond you mortals.

somebody

are userscripts allowed to automate chat?

are there any script rules?

Anonymous

5:33 AM

@El'endiaStarman s/yond/low

Anonymous

@somebody Don't do illegal stuff is pretty much the only rule

El'endia Starman

lol

somebody

@Mego do that to 'look over yonder'

El'endia Starman

translate: Okay, back to learning German!

(from English) Okay, back to learning German!

Anonymous

If you do something sufficiently annoying/abusive you'll get suspended/banned, but that's your fault, not the script's

El'endia Starman

5:34 AM

d'oh

translate de: Okay, back to learning German!

(from English) Okay, zurück zu Deutsch lernen!

Anonymous

Somehow I get the feeling "Okay" doesn't translate like that

El'endia Starman

translate: zurück

(from German) back

haha

Doorknob

Is that "back" as in the body part?

Anonymous

Google says "in Ordnung"

El'endia Starman

translate de: He is back.

(from English) Er ist zurück.

translate de: My back hurts.

(from English) Mein Rücken tut weh.

Doorknob

5:35 AM

Oh, Wiktionary says it's "back" as in "backwards," not "returned." :P

El'endia Starman

huh, interesting :P

@Mego That's basically our "alright", if I remember my phrases right.

translate: in Ordnung

(from German) Alright

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman in Ordnung in Ordnung in Ordnung in Ordnung

El'endia Starman

yusss

Anonymous

"alright" and "okay" are essentially the same concept

El'endia Starman

In this context, yes.

Anonymous

5:37 AM

@El'endiaStarman Truly correct version: In Ordnung, zurück zum Erlernen der deutschen Sprache!

Dennis

Zurück in die Zukunft

Zurück in die Zukunft (im englischen Original: Back to the Future) ist der Name einer Science-Fiction-Film-Trilogie aus den Jahren 1985, 1989 und 1990. In allen drei Filmen führte Robert Zemeckis Regie. Die Trilogie zeigt die Zeitreisen des Jugendlichen Marty McFly (Michael J. Fox) und seines Freundes Dr. Emmett L. „Doc“ Brown (Christopher Lloyd) zwischen den Jahren 1885 und 2015. Die drei Teile sind: Zurück in die Zukunft (1985) (spielt 1985 und 1955) Zurück in die Zukunft II (1989) (spielt 1985, 2015 und 1955) Zurück in die Zukunft III (1990) (spielt 1955, 1885 und 1985) Der erste Teil war zunächst…

Doorknob

wiktionary-is-wrong en.wiktionary.org/wiki/zur%C3%BCck

somebody

Science-Fiction-Film-Trilogie?

El'endia Starman

@Mego You got that from Google Translate, didn't you? :P

somebody

:27725275

uh

Anonymous

5:40 AM

@El'endiaStarman Part Google Translate, part picking up some German from my gf and her dad, the latter of whom lived in Germany for many years and is fluent in German

El'endia Starman

@Mego Ahhh, okay.

Anonymous

But Google Translate agrees

El'endia Starman

There sure are a lot of people that know German in here.

Anonymous

I would not say I know German - I understand basic grammar rules

Anonymous

But I have 0 vocab

El'endia Starman

5:41 AM

ah-huh

Anonymous

What does Bing translate "In Ordnung, zurück zum Erlernen der deutschen Sprache!" into?

El'endia Starman

translate: In Ordnung, zurück zum Erlernen der deutschen Sprache!

(from German) Alright, back to learning the German language!

Anonymous

Huh, it got it right

Anonymous

Good job Bing, you're not batting 0 anymore

Doorknob

you it is nailed to the bing

El'endia Starman

5:42 AM

Sprache means "language"? I just learned it as a verb meaning "speak".

cool

Ah, I'll bet it's because of the "nouns are capitalized" rule.

Anonymous

Yep

Anonymous

"sprache" is speak, "Sprache" is language

Anonymous

Well, it's more like "word" iirc, but in that context it means language

El'endia Starman

Makes sense.

yeah

Dennis

sprechen is to speak.

Anonymous

5:45 AM

Yeah that

Anonymous

I'm also terrible at spelling in German, in case you couldn't tell :P

Dennis

The closest would be Ich sprach, which means I spoke.

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Does the infinitive typically end with "en"?

Dennis

Yes. sein is the only exception IIRC.

El'endia Starman

That's to be, right? That one's an exception everywhere. :P

Dennis

5:49 AM

Yes.

OK, confirmed. If you alter the system clock and then set it back, chat gets jumpy.

El'endia Starman

It really does interest me how to be is essentially the verb you can expect to be irregular. Makes me think that communities grew up with various grunts for the different tenses and declensions and were stuck with them, whereas other verbs could be developed in a regular manner and/or could be regularized later without too much difficulty.

Doorknob

Hmm. Is there any language where to be is regular?

Anonymous

Shakespeare

El'endia Starman

If only we had a Linguistics.SE...

Oh, we do!

Doorknob

hahahaha, I was thinking "um, is he joking? >.>"

El'endia Starman

5:54 AM

There are so many SE sites these days...

Anonymous

It might be sane in one of those conlangs

Doorknob

In Lojban the verb to be doesn't exist. But I meant natural languages.

El'endia Starman

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Q: Are there languages with a totally regular conjugation for "to be" outside Quechua?

I recently noticed that most languages have an irregular conjugation for the verb To be. I say almost because I don't know all languages, but the ones I've seen all have some irregularity sooner or later. Here is a simple table providing some languages from Europe: Note: if you find mistakes, ...

Doorknob

Interesting

Anonymous

So I'm building Python 3.5.1 right now, and saw this interesting line scroll by:

Anonymous

5:56 AM

checking Solaris LFS bug... no

Anonymous

Usually when configure is looking for stuff, it's not hoping the thing isn't present...

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman Help it's past midnight and you've sucked me into a neverending pit of linguistics :D

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Ever read The Power of Babel?

Doorknob

nope

El'endia Starman

amazon.com/Power-Babel-Natural-History-Language/dp/006052085X/…

You'd probably love it.

I did.

Doorknob

6:03 AM

Thanks for the recommendation!

El'endia Starman

~~Willkommen.~~ Gern geschehen. :)

Dennis

You can't use welcome like that in German.

El'endia Starman

Really?

Geobits

I thought he knew I tabbed over and was welcoming me :(

El'endia Starman

Oh, did I mean Gern geschehen?

Dennis

6:07 AM

Yes, you did.

El'endia Starman

Yes, okay.

It's easy to default to the cognate... :P

Geobits

doitashimashite

El'endia Starman

translate: doitashimashite

(from English) doitashimashite

=_=

Geobits

Believe it or not, that's not English.

It might need the double o at the start, also. I can never remember if it's short or long.

El'endia Starman

ö?

somebody

6:09 AM

you need to put it in hiragana

El'endia Starman

translate: döitashimashite

(from English) döitashimashite

not that

somebody

@El'endiaStarman japanese

El'endia Starman

translate: dooitashimashite

(from English) dooitashimashite

Geobits

どういたしまして

Try that

El'endia Starman

translate: どういたしまして

(from Japanese) You are welcome

Dennis

6:10 AM

(stupid markdown)

2

what

^

^

two for two :)

Anonymous

6:11 AM

"stupid markdown" is always a valid, relevant comment

El'endia Starman

> DON'T TOUCH MY MUSTACHE. You're welcome.

Hey @Dennis, how do you type <> on a German keyboard?

Dennis

It's usually to the left of the Z, on a real German keyboard.

The key above Enter could work.

orlp

@feersum I don't believe so.

I don't know what an optimal algorithm would look like.

somebody

@El'endiaStarman why are you using a german keyboard?

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Can't seem to find it on this layout. :( Tried Shift and Alt+Gr modifier keys too.

Geobits

6:16 AM

The odd thing is, the "don't touch my mustache" thing is really common for some reason. I heard it within an hour of landing at the airport. Americans in Japan were... interesting.

Dennis

El'endia Starman

@somebody I am learning German. Let's see if I can translate that right... Ich lerne Deutsch.

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman Not even the backslash key? If it's not there, you're out of luck.

somebody

@El'endiaStarman english + compose too tedious?

El'endia Starman

@Dennis I can get the backslash key. \

Anonymous

6:17 AM

I swear, Cygwin's standard install comes with the weirdest set of tools

Anonymous

Like it includes diff but not patch

El'endia Starman

@somebody I don't have a compose key.

somebody

Windows?

El'endia Starman

Yup.

Dennis

I wouldn't recommend a QWERTZ layout on a QWERTY keyboard anyway. US international works for most languages.

somebody

6:18 AM

@El'endiaStarman github.com/samhocevar/wincompose

Geobits

TIL German keyboards have a Storage key instead of Control :P

Dennis

It's Steuerung.

Geobits

Nope. Cannot unsee Storage.

Anonymous

Strongbad?

El'endia Starman

@Dennis If I really need those three symbols, I just switch back to the English (US) layout.

@somebody cool

translate: Steuerung

(from German) Control

Geobits

6:20 AM

Weird. I figured it would translate more directly to Steering.

Dennis

It's not just because of those symbols. Why anyone would want to switch layouts is beyond me. An international layout works for most languages, and all keys still do what they're supposed to do.

El'endia Starman

translate de: steering

(from English) Lenkung

@Dennis If it helps, it's very easy to switch layouts on Windows 10.

Dennis

As somebody who frequently types in three different languages, I can assure you that this is the one true way.™

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Dennis

@El'endiaStarman The hard part is remembering where the other layouts hid the backtick.

El'endia Starman

6:22 AM

hahaha

Sp3000

@Dennis (Japanese...)

El'endia Starman

´

^ too.

.....and I'm actually not using the caret to refer to the message above. :P

Dennis

@Sp3000 With Japanese, you have to. That's different. But if you can avoid it, avoid it.

Geobits

With Japanese I generally just use an IME instead of changing layouts. Granted, I don't need to that often, so maybe that's why.

somebody

with chinese you need an IME

Sp3000

6:25 AM

Hm... nvm I'm getting IME and layout mixed up

El'endia Starman

German phrase for me to translate, provided by Duolingo: Die Pizza. GEE, I have no idea what that could be! :P

Dennis

Plot twist: It's not pizza.

somebody

TIL Duolingo has their mascodt as a word

Anonymous

@feersum You do realize "Jap" is an offensive, derogatory term for a Japanese person, on the level of the N-word?

Geobits

WTH... Sometimes google translate allowing people to "improve" translations seems like a bad idea. I just submitted a fix for one :/

It translated これはなんですか？ as What is dis.

El'endia Starman

6:28 AM

@Geobits They probably do a statistical analysis of some sort to make sure lots of people agree.

Geobits

Yea, but dis??

Sp3000

Well technically it's not an incorrect translation... but it does fail to get the tone right :P

Geobits

:P

feersum

@Mego Is that in current usage? In 1940, sure...

Geobits

I'm just going to assume I was part of the anonymous auditing team on that one.

El'endia Starman

6:30 AM

@feersum I'm sure some people still think of it that way. Not sure how it's perceived outside of America.

Geobits

@feersum I don't know if it's still used in the US, but I wouldn't dream of saying it to someone on the streets of Tokyo.

Anonymous

@feersum In any usage. Plenty of offensive terms from the 40s/50s are still offensive today.

El'endia Starman

I mean, we did lock up Japanese people during WWII...

Anonymous

It's used as a slur for Japanese people just like the N-word is used as a slur for blacks/African-Americans

El'endia Starman

translate de: I am eating ice cream.

(from English) Ich bin Eis essen.

translate de: I am eating ice.

(from English) Ich bin Eis essen.

Dennis

6:33 AM

Eis means both ice and ice cream.

El'endia Starman

...@Dennis, how would I distinguish the two? Clearly, the former would be more sensible, but if I mean the latter...?

somebody

@El'endiaStarman ice is not a good thing

Geobits

translate de: I am eating Vanilla Ice.

somebody

@Geobits mod superpower

Dennis

Nice try, mortal.

Geobits

6:33 AM

/joke

El'endia Starman

translate de: I am eating Vanilla Ice.

(from English) Ich esse Vanilla Ice.

translate de: I am eating vanilla ice.

(from English) Ich esse Vanilleeis.

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman If you absolutely need to, use Speiseeis, meaning edible ice. It is generally understood from the context though.

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Ah, huh. And yeah, context is (usually) king.

Dennis

Gute Nacht!

El'endia Starman

G'night!

translate de: Thanks for the help.

(from English) Danke für die Hilfe.

Downgoat

6:37 AM

in Chatgoat's Barn, 4 mins ago, by Chatgoat

@Downgoat D: My favorite answer is yes, but that might be a good thing, what do I know, I'm just a chatgoat

Chatgoat has the weirdest ways to tell me it's name

El'endia Starman

hahaha

Geobits

Oh so that's who killed Marky last night! :o

Chatgoat, you murderer.

Chatgoat

@Geobits D:

El'endia Starman

@Geobits I heard that in GLaDOS' voice.

Geobits

I'm glad I could brighten your day :P

Anonymous

6:39 AM

We've both done lots of things you're going to regret

somebody

@El'endiaStarman *read

Downgoat

in Chatgoat's Barn, 8 secs ago, by Chatgoat

@Downgoat _UNK

oh no

El'endia Starman

@somebody No, I heard it. I'm deaf, not blind. wait...

@Downgoat WHAT.

Are you using tensorflow too?

Downgoat

I think Chatgoat ate Marky o.o

@El'endiaStarman nope

it must of gotten confused when I fed it some messages

Anonymous

Chatgoat ate Marky and ~~absorbed his powers~~ inherited his mental defects

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El'endia Starman

6:41 AM

in Chatgoat's Barn, 5 hours ago, by Chatgoat

@somebody <Chatgoat> I learned the El'endia "http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/fe7ef5ac5b94e141794a20608282324f.jpg"

Geobits

I knew that goat was jealous... poor Marky...

El'endia Starman

o.O

somebody

Downgoat's gonna have to kill Chatgoat now

Geobits

Oh well. Chops anyone?

Downgoat

in Chatgoat's Barn, 22 secs ago, by Chatgoat

@somebody <Chatgoat> I'm sorry somebody. I'm afraid I can't let you do that.

Chatgoat is becoming HAL...

Optimizer

7:11 AM

green lantern?

somebody

HAL 9000

Optimizer

hal sono ?

somebody

what

Anonymous

ignore-the-llama

somebody

@Mego how D:

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somebody

...

Anonymous

8:14 AM

I just managed to make my code 2x slower by trying to make it a little more memory-efficient \o/

Anonymous

Challenge type idea: memory-golf, where the goal is to solve the problem while keeping peak memory usage as low as possible (as measured on the challenge author's machine)

somebody

then afterwards cpu-golf

@Mego how do you get tags in chat?

Anonymous

[tag:tag-name]

somebody

cpu-golf

featured

Anonymous

Or [meta-tag:meta-tag-name] for meta tags (tags on the meta site instead of the main site)

Anonymous

8:20 AM

faq

somebody

test:

Quill

morninininining

Anonymous

I'll write up a meta post for the new challenge type idea to get feedback

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9:00 AM

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somebody

TIL In German, the words bla, blubb and blabla are commonly used as names for metasyntactic variables

somebody

9:20 AM

is it possible for the graduation userscript to change the favicon on ppcg rooms?

Optimizer

9:40 AM

TIL

somebody

@Optimizer ?

Optimizer

?

somebody

10:06 AM

about the userscript - nvm

VoteToClose

10:41 AM

request for upvotes for another user

I hope this gets more up votes, you definitely deserve it. +1 from me. This question is rampant whenever I help people with dual-booting who have already "upgraded" to El Capitan. — VoteToClose 20 secs ago

^ The guy who posted this question needs some love, the question is seriously important.

somebody

11:12 AM

but

how many here would 15 rep there?

also, temporary improvements for graduation userscript

raw.githubusercontent.com/somebody1234/PPCG-Design/ppcg.user.js

VoteToClose

11:38 AM

@somebody This is 14 commits behind the most updated version of the user script with no other changes.

somebody

wait, where is that?