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9:00 AM
nearly 3.5x over, in fact.
 
I'd consider them on merit too, you wouldn't have got hired if they'd said "Yeah I know him... he's an idiot"
 
@TomOConnor TBH though, they're better. We went with Dell because of the price, but they don't have storage blades, and they're not quite as configurable
 
then dell threw in more 10GE stuff for free.. and it's like.. How can they do this?
 
@TomOConnor Yeah, we wen almost entirely 10Gbe, but you get much fewer ports per chassis, and the A slots can ONLY take 1gbe
 
Can't comment on the HP blades, though I'd imagine they're good

But I'm really really pleased with the Dell blades. We've got a mix of M610 and M910s in a blade chassis with 10Gb installed and we've been really really happy with them. Using them as a mixture of dedicated servers and ESX hosts
 
9:01 AM
And the 10GbE uplinks are only SPF+ and you get I thnik 4 of them per chassis?
@RobMoir I almost died of happiness when we got two M910 blades delivered, four sockets with 8-core processors, 144Gb of RAM.... and then two weeks later Intel announced the 10-core processors.
 
mark - you can get a 10gb pass-through module that will expose a 10gb interface to each blade that you have. as well as the 10gb switch module that behaves how you describe
 
@RobMoir We've got 20 M610s
 
G'day
 
@RobMoir That's true... we did passthrough on our first blade chassis... never again. So much extra cabling...
 
bit more than us then. I've got some stuff on the old blade chassis type that we haven't upgraded yet
 
9:03 AM
@Iain Gday
 
morning Iain, how's it going?
 
@RobMoir OR will have. Actually Rob, hearing that you like yours, is good. I trust your opinion and i've heard a lot of anecdotal badness about dells
 
we're pretty much a dell shop from end to end in our server rooms and not had any problems. Mind you, we've got a couple of HP servers and an HP SAN in there too which have also been really good. I think most of the top tier gear is good
 
Chopper3 swears by the HP's, he won't touch anything else, and I respect his opinion a lot
 
thanks tom
 
9:05 AM
Why can't the metoffice get the forecast right, I went to bed expecting a crisp clear cycling day and I'm all disappointed now, it's wet and windy :(
 
But we've never had an issue with Dell. And I've never even had to place a claim with our 4-hour advance-replacement warranty
 
I think you're a winner with either one. Any tier 1 provider should be able to crank out decent stuff these days and from what I've seen... they do
 
Dell just really, really need to get their storage blades into the market
 
Yeah. We threw out the idea of Supermicro and a few other blade providers
 
We only needed a small amount of storage for our blades, but we ended up having to buy a PS6010XV to serve it, when we didn't need it
 
9:06 AM
the last time we had a serious anything failure on our Dells, not counting disks going that is, was a poweredge 2800 which had a backplane failure
 
On the positive side, we now have a PS6010XV, so it's not all bad
 
mark not a MD3000i?
 
because we really need sensible chassis management and not having to do cable passthrough
 
we've got 3 equallogic boxes including a 6010. decent kit
 
@RobMoir Nope, at the time their 10GbE connectivity didn't exist
 
9:07 AM
ah...
 
This harddisk failure is a massive Pain in the arse, when it comes to doing blade shit.
the small 2.5" drives are almost all gone.
 
@TomOConnor That's why none of our baldes have hard drives
 
HP kept forcing us onto 4GB SD cards for boot
 
Well, that's a lie, the two SQL cluster machines have drives for their OS installation
 
@MarkHenderson But there's no disks for SAN servers either
 
9:08 AM
we opted for passthrough because we wanted to route all the connections from our esx hosts to one switch and all our other stuff to other things
 
@TomOConnor What do you mean by saying the 2.5" drives are almost gone?
I had 24 of them delivered the other day...
 
@MarkHenderson So that's where they went.
 
they're there for established enterprise customers at least
 
@TomOConnor My bad...
 
@RobMoir getting to that point is difficult.
 
9:09 AM
yes, especially if you need to order servers with disks in them to get there....
 
HP were quite clear that there are no more 250GB 7.2k 2.5" SATAs
 
@TomOConnor Ohh, is this because of the floods in thailand?
 
unless you want a 3Par F series
@MarkHenderson Yeah.
 
Ahh, I understand now...
 
If someone wanted me to write about the biggest SPoF we've found this year.
It's not ebuyer.
it's not even Amazon's Reboot-a-thon.
It's the stupid. STUPID location of 4 factories in thailand.
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What the fuck do those muppets think they were doing.
hick laugh Let's build in this valley!
Let's build sooo close together!
 
9:11 AM
@TomOConnor Cheap, cheap, cheap labour
@TomOConnor ... like silicone valley?
 
At least Silicon Valley isn't at 50 ft below sea level.
 
have to agree there
 
No... it's just on a fault line :P
 
@MarkHenderson It's easier to earthquake-proof buildings than floodproof them.
 
Which is why if I ever move to America, I'm not moving to Los Angeles or San Francisco - I watch wayyy too many of those "WHEN DISASTERS ATTACK" shows
@TomOConnor True, I've seen a few docos on how whole buildings, like hospitals, don't actually touch the ground, they're insulated by massive spheres that absorb most of the movement
 
9:14 AM
@MarkHenderson Japan's got this down to a Tee. If you recall, the damage at Fukushima wasn't to do with the earthquake.
It was the bloody water.
We need to get rid of all the water.
 
@TomOConnor Easy. Boil the ocean. Done.
 
I want to live in space
 
@TomOConnor won't help when the whole thing slides gently into the pacific
 
@MarkHenderson Then it'll go up to 20k feet, condense and rain forever more.
 
It's almost 2012 dammit. I should be living in friggin space by now
 
9:16 AM
I get so sad when I read that interstellar space travel will never actually be possible, and to get anywhere in space worthwhile will take far longer than any humans natural life span
 
@MarkHenderson Which is why, of course, LSD was invented.
 
so many geek toys
 
In other news, I got sick somewhere along the line. So in addition to having my kidney stone giving me grief, my sinuses are shot and I feel just terrible all over.
 
double ouch :-(
 
9:18 AM
@RobMoir dude... that site is AWESOME
 
they have portal cookie jars
 
@TomOConnor They don't mention it makes you look like a douche
 
yes it is holocryptic
 
@Holocryptic If you lived in space, you'd not only feel terrible all over, but you'd be losing your muscle mass, and breakfast, daily.
 
@TomOConnor Yeah, I saw Wall-E
 
9:20 AM
@TomOConnor If I were living in space, they'd have figured out artificial gravity and all that. Your argument is invalid.
 
@Holocryptic Do you know how artificial gravity might work?
 
Repulsorlift technology, bitches. It wurks.
 
science - its like magic with explanations
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Im asking my wife if I can forgoe a new car and get this for christmas
 
You spin. And the centrifugal force sticks you to things.
 
9:22 AM
@TomOConnor I barely know how a computer works. Doesn't mean I can't fix it or make it go.
@MarkHenderson do it
 
@Holocryptic Yeah I just watched the video, it's clearly run by a projector in the roof, which means you can't move the table without having to re-calibrate it.
 
@TomOConnor That's the old way. The new way will be SOOOO much cooler.
 
This is sexeh.
 
Not worth it, changed my mind
Aanyway I'm gunna head off, getting close to bed time for me
Still got thigns to do (like washing up... damn you domestic life)
 
9:23 AM
@TomOConnor Having sex in that thing would be amazeballs
 
@Holocryptic I've never had sex in a canoe. I can't imagine it being comfortable.
 
you had to go and put your oar in...
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haha
 
yes you do
 
9:38 AM
"My kids loved this book so much that they insisted that I buy them others in the same series including "Rover the dog says "SYN/ACK!", "How to be the Best at Firewall Configuration (The Boy's Book)", "Big, Bad Bill And The Blue Screen of Death" "
 
cya later folks, need to get myself moving!
 
0:58s giggle
 
"When a mommy and daddy love each other very much..."
 
2:21, too. o.O
But what about the "stay-at-home" SAN?
 
oooo, I want one
I LOL'd
I like the top comment
 
9:54 AM
That guy is a numpty.
 
Yeah. That's why I avoid videos of myself. I'd say stuff that lives on forever? uh uh. Nope. I'm bad enough when I type on the Internet. I don't need videos of the same
right. I'm back to bed now. cya in a bit
 
@Holocryptic Nini!
 
that guy has no clue!!
 
 
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12:40 PM
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there we go.
 
 
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3:35 PM
I have to say, I'm a bit concerned with all the drugs I take that contain acetaminophen
My liver can't like that
 
 
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5:08 PM
Evening All
 
@BartDeVos hiya - you are under dressed meta.serverfault.com/questions/2394/its-santa-time
 
My next question :)
thanks :)
@Iain Done :). Any way to force an update? :)
 
@BartDeVos Nope, it'll show in 5 minutes or so
 
@Jacob Nice, thanks :)
Boom, awesome
 
5:26 PM
@BartDeVos Nice
 
5:46 PM
hm... room needs more cute
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there we go
 
6:20 PM
does this make any sense serverfault.com/a/341995/9517?
 
@Iain No. It sounds like it was created by Google Translate.
 
@Iain He wants to Virtualize a 64bit OS ontop of a 32bit Host. AFAIK not possible
 
@Ward I managed 15 or so miles on the bike today - the wind was in an odd direction such that one of my normal downhill/fast stretches was way slow
 
 
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9:18 PM
Anyone around?
 
I'm about
 
@BenPilbrow Work with Server 2008 and Printer deployment?
 
Server 2008, sure. I've looked at printer deployment, but admittedly not in anger
What's up?
 
@BenPilbrow I have a Toshiba network printer that Server 2008 will take the Generic Driver Toshiba has, but not the 32bit driver. I need the 32bit driver before I can deploy via GPO because most of my clients are 32bit
@BenPilbrow The error is
 
When you say it won't take the driver, is there a specific error?
 
9:25 PM
@BenPilbrow ^^
 
lol, yeah I saw just as I hit enter your message came through :-)
What driver are you trying to add?
 
@BenPilbrow One of the one listed in the cd as 32bit for XP
 
Do you know what it's after? i.e a CAB file or something?
 
@BenPilbrow .inf file
 
Is there a more up to date one on their website?
 
9:28 PM
@BenPilbrow Tried those too, still that error
 
Huh, weird. Given that error message I'd say you're trying to load the wrong driver, but I trust you so I guess it means something else :-)
Meh, main site question I guess
 
@BenPilbrow Could the 64bit include the 32bit one?
 
IIRC, it puts 32 and 64 bit drivers in different sections of the UI. By all means try importing the 64 bit driver and see if a 32 bit one shows up too.
If that works, it's a bit whack!
 
@Holocryptic I would dispute that server virtualization could never be referred to as "private cloud" but that might just be by virtue of the nebulous nature of the term "cloud." (Pun intended)
 
@WesleyDavid Strictly speaking, I think "the cloud" specifically refers to someone else's virtualization stack.
 
9:40 PM
@ScottPack Yeah, but you're a qock, so there's that.
 
@WesleyDavid So's your face.
 
@ScottPack And if it refers to someone else's v-stack, WTF are VMware, EMC and Cisco circlejerking about then?
They're all "private cloud all up in yo' bizniz, homey!!"
 
@WesleyDavid Oh, you're a small business consultant, so I can see why you might be confused.
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It's this thing called "marketing".
 
@ScottPack Oh, you live in Ohio, I can see why you're all... all.. fuck you!
=D
 
Anybody else have a thought?
17 mins ago, by Jacob
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When trying to add a 32bit driver to windows 64 2008 r2?
 
9:43 PM
@Jacob Yeah, you're trying to install the driver for the wrong architecture.
Install the 64 bit driver.
What with Windows 2008 not coming in 32 bit and all.
 
@ScottPack I have the 64bit driver, but I need 32bit for the clients
 
13 mins ago, by Ben Pilbrow
Meh, main site question I guess
 
@Iain That was an awfully polite way of pointing at the 'Live Support' tag :)
 
@Iain Writing now
 
Hey look, a flag! Since it's for another room, and I don't know what is or is not acceptable over there, I think I'll do the adult thing and leave it alone.
 
9:49 PM
@ScottPack good man
 
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Q: Error when trying to add a 32bit driver to Server 2008 64bit

JacobWe have some network printers that Toshiba suplies generic drivers for on the CD. Now installing the 64bit edition works fine on the Server, but when I try to add a 32bit driver for those clients, the dialog tells me this. I've tried the "32bit drivers on the CD" and the ones on Toshiba's site,...

Posted if anyone would like a look
 
commented
 
10:10 PM
@Holocryptic replied
 
@Jacob So you're going Control Panel > Printers > Server Properties > Drivers Tab > Add... and it's throwing the error?
 
@Holocryptic Yes
 
hmm. XP driver?
 
@Holocryptic Yes, I also tried Vista I think
 
It could be that you're boned
I've had a similar issue in the past with R2
where the 32 bit driver couldn't be loaded
I'd call toshiba support and verify
 
10:16 PM
@Holocryptic solution?
 
The solution was to not use XP
 
@Holocryptic even the Vista drives suck
 
Or you can stand up a virtual server runnin 2003 or something...
Yeah, don't bother with Vista. Everything about it is broken
 
@Holocryptic There are no 7 drivers
 
Ah, there's your first clue right there
R2 and 7 share the same code base
If there's no driver for 7, than I guarantee there's no support for R2
 
10:18 PM
@Holocryptic :(, wasn't my choice to use printer. this sucks
 
sorry bro
 
@Holocryptic Yeah not your fault. Looking for drivers now
E-studio 450S
@Holocryptic Think any of those drives will work?
 
Link is dead for me. But in any case, I don't know. You can try and hack around with the drivers, but I think you're going to spend more time on it that it's worth.
 
Who knows FUSE well?
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Q: zfs-fuse file permissions problems on CentOS/RHEL 5

ewwhiteI'm testing zfs-fuse as an option to provide filesystem compression on existing CentOS 5 servers. I'm dealing with a highly-compressible dataset (80%), so zfs-fuse comes in quite handy. The issue I'm encountering with my storage pools is related to file permissions. It appears that zfs-fuse is i...

 
negative
good question though
 
10:35 PM
@Jacob How do you know it's not his fault?
 
YEAH! It's ALWAYS my fault!
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haha
 
@Holocryptic Installing manually works, luckily I only have a few workstations
 
@Jacob Glad to hear it, although I have no idea what you're talking about,l I just saw "im sorry" :p
 
10:39 PM
@MarkHenderson My bad, see above or this Q serverfault.com/questions/342164/…
 
@Jacob huh...
 
Man I hate logging on to a 2003 server these days, I miss the ability to just type in what I'm looking for
 
@Holocryptic on the workstations themselves, the server won't take the driver but the workstations will atleast
 
I feel the same way now about logging in to a 2003 box as I did about logging into a 2000 box a few years ago. As in, "Why the hell is this thing still around?"
 
@ewwhite guessing there is some extended file attributes - lsattr testfile
 
10:42 PM
@Holocryptic Legacy software :(
At least we don't have any SQL Server 6.5 or Exchange 2003 instances any more
 
That's usually the case
@Jacob Make sure to update the question then
 
My biggest gripe about Server 2008 though is how fucking hard they make it to get to the actual network connections screen. You have to go through that stupid network and sharing center to get there.
As soon as I discovered 2008 R2 you could just type "view network connections" into the start menu I made it priority 1 to upgrade evertything I could
 
@MarkHenderson really? yeah the connections thing sucks
 
@Jacob That, and the inability to re-arrange the running programs in the start bar
 
@MarkHenderson I'm going to have to member that
 
10:47 PM
another stupid thing: Set up a new connection without a default gateway (like iSCSI usually is) and windows 2008 (including R2) will try forever to recognize the network, and not let you pass traffic from it unless you disable the firewall
which is kind of dumb, since it's recommended to not route iSCSI
 
@pauska Interesting, I hadn't noticed that. Using the Windows iSCSI initator, or a proper iSCSI HBA?
 
@MarkHenderson initiator
 
@pauska Hmm, now that I think of it, we run DHCP on our iSCSI network so that issues a DNS suffix (that doesn't do anything), which might be enough to get it to stop trying to identify the network
We certainly don't have a gateway on our iSCSI networks
Actually I lie, we do use our DNS suffix, and maybe that's enough
 
@Holocryptic I hope my other Printers are like this
 
DHCP... on a storage network...
You must have faith in your gods
 
10:52 PM
Now moving on to installing Lucifers accounting software called Quickbooks TM
 
@pauska I only have one God ;) And it's a failover clustered DHCP, and all our SAN boxes are static of course, but there are just so damn many machines on the network that I got sick and tired of configuring them all by hand
And documenting them, my god, so now I can at least just print out a report of DHCP leases
They have 31-day reservation and so far it hasn't caused any issues
 
btw, do you have an office in brisbane? The lead sysadmin at my job (who's been living in australia) is quitting and he's on the hunt for a new job down there
he's like a windows supernova
 
@pauska Nope, just one office in Sydney sorry. We only have 10 employees at our company, and I'm not even a full-time sysadmin
I'm probably 30% sysadmin time-wise
 
ah
 
(and 0% sysadmin pay-wise ;))
 
10:56 PM
I wish Massimo was here in the chat regulary.. I need to open up his brain and pull out his knowledge about squidguard+active directory
 
Tell him to get a proper avatar next time too :p
 
@iain - lsattr *
lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on testfile
 
dinner time...
 
@iain - Did you also recently mention a bug on the RHEL 6 list about line-size limits in /etc/group ?
 
@ewwhite not me
 
11:07 PM
 
indeed @ewwhite you are under dressed
 
uh oh...
 
anyone got any preferences for iphone/pad astronomy aps ?
 
@Iain What do you want to do?
 
11:14 PM
@MarkHenderson hold up my iphone/pad and have it tell me what I'm looking at
 
@Iain ooh, like on the ad. Yeah, my brother has one of those apps
I don't remember what it's called though
 
I'll do some research but it's good to get live opinions too
and here is not normally short of opinions
 
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