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Anonymous
12:00 AM
@qasdfdsaq It isn't because...
 
Because E=mc²
 
In physics, charge conservation is the principle that electric charge can neither be created nor destroyed. The net quantity of electric charge, the amount of positive charge plus the amount of negative charge in the universe, is always conserved. The first written statement of the principle was by American scientist and statesman Benjamin Franklin in 1747. it is now discovered and demonstrated, both here and in Europe, that the Electrical Fire is a real Element, or Species of Matter, not created by the Friction, but collected only. Charge conservation is a physical law that states that the change...
"Although conservation of charge requires that the total quantity of charge in the universe is constant, it leaves open the question of what that quantity is. Most evidence indicates that the net charge in the universe is zero; that is, there are equal quantities of positive and negative charge."
 
> This does not mean that individual positive and negative charges cannot be created or destroyed. Electric charge is carried by subatomic particles such as electrons and protons, which can be created and destroyed.
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq well yeah mass is energy
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq then a more correct phrasing would have been that the net charge of the universe is still zero
 
12:05 AM
"The Law of Conservation of Charge does not mean that electric charge can't be created or destroyed. It just means that every time some negative electric charge is created, an equal amount of positive electric charge must be created at the same time so that the total charge of a system does not change."
 
The correct way of saying:
6 mins ago, by Pato Sáinz
@qasdfdsaq but I think (don't quote me on it) that the net quantity of electrons is still zero
Is to not say it at all.
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq so now people that aren't 100% correct ought to not speak
 
20 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq
I don't care what you ought to do, go figure that out yourself.
19 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq
I'm not your mother.
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq you just said that people shouldn't talk if they aren't correct. Now you are contradicting yourself.
 
No, I said
 
Anonymous
12:07 AM
but I don't actually care about coherence in your messages
 
1 min ago, by qasdfdsaq
The correct way of saying:
2 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq
6 mins ago, by Pato Sáinz
@qasdfdsaq but I think (don't quote me on it) that the net quantity of electrons is still zero
2 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq
Is to not say it at all.
 
Anonymous
cue the conversation about implications and connotative meaning. dejavu. (and no I'm not going to onebox it)
 
Anonymous
k
 
Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension
Because every time I say "A" you seem to think I said "B"
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq It's fine thanks. Maybe you should you should work on your expression.
 
12:09 AM
Pro-tip: If I meant to say "B" I would have said "B", not "A"
 
Anonymous
There's a non-zero chance that a reasonable person would read A and B given B usually implies A
 
99.97% of people can understand my expression just fine, it seems to be only you who has a problem.
And it's not worth my time to change how I talk just to make things easier for one person.
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq I cannot believe you on that statement given that you are not good at listening.
 
Anonymous
now, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing, and so are you lol
 
Now you seem to be doing it agani
I never claimed to be good at listening.
 
Anonymous
12:12 AM
I claimed you were not, just like you claimed I didn't have a good reading comprehension.
 
And?
 
Anonymous
claimers claiming claims about claims
 
And yet what you actually said was "I can't believe A because B"
 
Anonymous
sup @Avamander
 
Why don't you both give up or take it to a private room?
2
 
12:14 AM
Give up what?
 
Anonymous
@DavidPostill that's very reasonable, I agree. And I pledge to give up.
 
Trying to convince each other that the other one is wrong.
 
I think Wikipedia pretty conclusively proved that.
 
Morning
 
12:16 AM
OH NOES A MOD!!! Quick everybody stop fighting!
 
Anonymous
morning @JourneymanGeek
 
You're both wrong. Clearly.
4
 
Yes but as I stated earlier, I don't care.
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
<3
 
12:17 AM
I'm not being paid to be right
 
@PatoSáinz Lo siento, pero no hablo español!
 
Anonymous
@ThatBrazilianGuy não falo português
 
Also, it's the second time I call you "a duck" just by coincidence entirely on purpose, my comedic timing is that good!
 
My mission in life is to be a cat, not to be right
 
@PatoSáinz Did you mean: "Eu não falo português"?
 
12:20 AM
@qasdfdsaq Wikipedia proved you were wrong.
@PatoSáinz said "how come charge is conserved throughout all of the universe?".
@qasdfdsaq said "It isn't.".
@wikipedia said "The net quantity of electric charge, the amount of positive charge plus the amount of negative charge in the universe, is always conserved"
 
Anonymous
lol
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy also need to do that right
 
@DavidPostill Thanks for re-ordering my messages.
29 mins ago, by Pato Sáinz
@DavidPostill well the universe still has net +-0 electrons
 
Anonymous
@ThatBrazilianGuy nah because subjects can be tacit, at least on Spanish (and thus also on Portuguese probably)
 
@qasdfdsaq "Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension"
 
12:21 AM
23 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq
Nope
 
@PatoSáinz Well, you're technically correct, but no one here speaks that way.
 
Anonymous
can somebody onebox @qasdfdsaq's oneboxes so we can onebox while we onebox
 
Anonymous
@ThatBrazilianGuy wow that's surprisingly different from here, well, nice
 
12:23 AM
@qasdfdsaq I didn't reorder any messages. I picked 2 consecutive ones and my response.
 
@DavidPostill Funny how they're not consecutive on my screen.
 
Anonymous
@ThatBrazilianGuy cringes I usually run from that kind of hardware, is it any good?
 
Looks consecutive to me.
@qasdfdsaq
 
Anonymous
 
@DavidPostill Is that my screen? Wow how can you see my screen. Creepy.
 
Anonymous
12:26 AM
I'm surprised to see a romance language that doesn't use implicit subjects a lot... it should have been enough to say falo since it's first person-singular-present.
 
I'm going to have to run away and bury my head in the sand now because DavidPostill is spying on my screen over the internet.
o_0
 
If your screen scrambles all the chat messages into some random order different to mine I don't care ;)
 
Then why did you put a virus on my computer so you could screenshot it?
 
Cause its fun
We're also deleting your porn stash
 
No you're not
 
12:32 AM
That's what you think
 
I deleted that already so DavidPostill couldn't see it.
Seems like a waste of electrons for you to undelete them just to delete them again
 
1:20 AM
 
1:34 AM
I'm honestly surprised that thermal throttling is significantly limiting the performance of my Nexus 5X.
Put a cold pack on the phone during the benchmark and it scores much higher on AuTuTu.
 
I'm not really surprised at all
All flagship phones for the past 4-5 years have been thermally limited, it's the whole Core M design philosophy
 
The surface temperature of the phone, however, is not high at all. Is the phone throttling too aggressively?
 
Depends what temperature the CPU reaches really
 
(This is in contrast to my Nexus 9, which is just as prone to thermal throttling, but will let the SoC exceed 80 C causing the tablet to get so hot near the top right that one could conceivably get low-temperature burns from prolonged contact with the device.)
...and this isn't a flagship phone. It's a Nexus 5X, with a Snapdragon 808.
The Snapdragon 810 is known for running extremely hot.
 
Yes, because it's the same Snapdragon 8xx chipset that's used in flagship phones.
 
1:39 AM
The Nexus 6P, which is a flagship model, is equipped with the SD810, and can get very hot during operation.
 
Like I said, all of the Snapdragon 800 series do, because they're all variants of the same chip
 
My Nexus 5X gets very warm (but not quite hot) under load.
 
The 400 and 600 series are fine
Well... mostly
They can all throttle, no mobile processors are designed to sustain maximum performance for prolonged periods
 
The Nexus 6P is better than most, though, and some devices can get so hot that they can cause burns.
 
Anonymous
@bwDraco advances should be made in low-profile thermal dissipation
 
Anonymous
1:51 AM
even though I dunno if there are still advances to be made in thermodynamics/engineering
 
I was thinking about some kind of convection cooling solution with little holes near the bezel of the phone to allow the SoC to vent heat, as well as better heat-sinking of the SoC.
 
Anonymous
@bwDraco or maybe fill the phone with something that gives it thermal "mass" without the added weight
 
Anonymous
even tho it'd make the phones hard to repair
 
Directly heat-sinking the SoC to a metal case, however, could cause the surface of the phone to get dangerously hot (potentially hot enough to cause burns with just a few seconds of contact).
 
Adding mass without adding mass. Hmm. Logical
 
Anonymous
1:54 AM
@qasdfdsaq you are getting annoying
 
@PatoSáinz I knew you were trouble.
 
Anonymous
it's like a heatsink made of steel vs a heatsink made of aliminium: one is going to be lighter
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq ok so you are just uncivil and obnoxious, because you don't care. k.
 
And it will have less thermal mass.
Because guess what the mass in thermal mass means
 
Anonymous
now you are just missing the point.
 
Anonymous
thermal capacitance if you want to be so pedantic
 
Specific heat.
 
Anonymous
@bwDraco yep
 
Different name for exactly the same thing
Changing your words won't get around the laws of physics
 
55.4 C (131.7 F) is hot enough to cause burns with more than a few seconds of contact.
 
1:59 AM
Depends on the material
 
Anonymous
@bwDraco yes, sounds awful
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq well we know it's brushed aluminium: so pretty damn well at conducting heat
 
@PatoSáinz What exactly are you on about now?
Last I checked the Nexus 5x is made of plastic
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq last time I checked we were talking about the HTC One M9's temperature problems
 
@PatoSáinz Last I checked we were talking abotu the Nexus 5X's temperature problems.
29 mins ago, by bwDraco
I'm honestly surprised that thermal throttling is significantly limiting the performance of my Nexus 5X.
 
Anonymous
2:03 AM
@qasdfdsaq the 55.4ºC figure is for the One M9
 
Anonymous
4 mins ago, by bwDraco
55.4 C (131.7 F) is hot enough to cause burns with more than a few seconds of contact.
 
Anonymous
to which you replied: Depends on the material.
 
Anonymous
now stop.
 
@PatoSáinz Now you're just making up rubbish
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq did you even read @bwDraco's link?
 
2:05 AM
@PatoSáinz I don't see a link in that message
You're just clutching at straws now.
Or are you imagining people talking about B when they say A again? Cause I'm afraid I don't do that.
 
I believe HTC made some adjustments to the thermal throttling point to address the issue in shipping units (the tested phone was a pre-release model).
 
Anonymous
@qasdfdsaq "Depends on the material": What depends on the material? The temperature that's hot enough to cause burns with more than a few seconds of contact. Which temperature? The M9's.
 
Anonymous
You do like to annoy people, I see
 
2 hours ago, by qasdfdsaq
Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension
Urgh. Blocked.
Maybe when you learn to read without making up spurious inferences we can talk.
 
Anonymous
 
Bob
2:09 AM
@DavidPostill s/System Tray/Notification Area/
 
An OTA update fixed the thermal issues on the One M9.
 
s/fixed/hid/
Only way to fix the Snapdragon 800 is to not use it
 
Bob
800? Wasn't it the 810 with the overheating issues?
 
The whole 8xx series
 
Bob
Hm. I've not really heard much about the 800 overheating. Lots of fuss over the 810 though.
808 is supposed to be a bit better. Or at least throttle less. At the cost of two fewer high-perf cores.
 
2:17 AM
All modern smartphones can't sustain full speeds
It's the Core M mentality
Burst speed, and throttle.
 
Bob
2:40 AM
@allquixotic Ah, nice. Bit of a funny layout there, though. DP, DP, HDMI, DP.
@allquixotic Any chance of getting an interior photo? :P
The ports look like the ref design.
 
Huh. I have a reference GTX 970 and it looks nothing like that
DVI-I, DVI-D, DP, HDMI.
 
Bob
Odd.
I just looked up "GTX 970 reference" on Google images :P
Oh, was the 980 (?): guru3d.com/articles-pages/…
 
Nah.
This is a reference GTX 970 PCB
There was never a reference cooler for the 970, so the one you linked is just a 980 cooler slapped on.
A few OEMs made GTX 970's with GTX 980 board layouts, hence the 980 cooler.
 
Bob
Oh. shrug
I don't know, I'm just going by what I can find :P
 
Yeah the 970 was a weird one. Had some trouble finding reference waterblocks and cards to fit together
 
Bob
2:48 AM
Waiiit.
Now I'm confused.
(image 4 was the one above)
 
Yeah that's basically a photoshop :-/
Well, no.
 
Bob
The specs also say:
> Standard Display Connectors: Dual Link DVI-I, HDMI 2.0, 3x DisplayPort 1.2
 
Bob
That's from Nvidia's own site :\
 
""NVIDIA 970 Cooler Edition" 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card"
"This very special NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 is the only one of its kind designed by our in-house VGA Guru Gibbo making this the worlds ONLY genuine reference 970 available in the world. Gibbo's design request were very specific, genuine NVIDIA 970 cooler, yes the crazy expensive one just like the 980 cooler and a NVIDIA BGA Board using all original NVIDIA components with absolute zero cost down in the design. "
 
Bob
2:51 AM
Hm.
All I know is it's the one that Nvidia has put images of on their own site.
 
There was a lot of fudging around.
 
Bob
And their own site lists the (presumably reference) specs as including 3x DP.
 
They maayyy have added those a few months after release
 
Bob
Which doesn't match your supposedly-reference card.
Odd. Maybe different revision.
 
> Furthermore, as we mentioned in our GTX 980 review, GTX 970 has been a pure virtual (no reference card) launch, which means all of NVIDIA’s partners are launching their custom cards right out of the gate. A lot of these have been recycled or otherwise only slightly modified GTX 700/600 series designs, owing to the fact that GM204’s memory bus has been held at 256-bits and its power requirements are so low.
 
Bob
2:52 AM
Hm. Then why does Nvidia list "Standard Display Connectors" on their site, if they're not really standard?
 
Fuck knows
 
Bob
lol
 
It seems all the ones at release had my output layout
But perhaps some time later they released a "reference" edition with the port layout @allquixotic has
 
Bob
Even way back (pun not intended) in 2014: web.archive.org/web/20140922054941/http://www.geforce.com/…
> The below specifications represent this GPU as incorporated into NVIDIA's reference graphics card design.
 
Huh
 
Bob
2:54 AM
Weird. Really weird.
 
> Nvidia usually only sells reference versions of their flagship cards. In this case, their flagship card is the GTX 980. As far as I know, a 970 reference doesn't really exist on the consumer end.
Evidently there's a reference PCB based on the GTX 980, and a reference PCB based on... well... itself.
 
Bob
lol
 
The GTX970-only PCB is much smaller.
 
Bob
So they had a reference one for their own specs and photos, and presumably testing, and a different reference design for actual release/manufacturing.
And at some point someone (Dell? One of their suppliers?) got their hands on the photographed design.
 
If only they had them at release...
 
Bob
2:57 AM
Or reproduced it to look identical.
 
Actually I only bought mine like 3 months after release.
But either way, if there were a true reference card, I wouldn't have one with bent capacitors right now -_-
 
Bob
o.O
Shoddy cooler fitting?
 
Nah, reference design, which wasn't entirely reference. They used slightly thicker capacitors, but not thick enough for EKWB to notice.
So they listed it on their compatibility list because it looked like the reference card, without realising the caps were 0.5mm too wide. Then they removed it from the compatibility list later... but not before I bought the combo :-/
So I ended up with a waterblock that claimed to be compatible but actually needed me to bend some caps to get it to fit.
And I was too tired/lazy/impatient to return either for a swap.
 
3:43 AM
AnTuTu version 6 benchmark results for the Nexus 5X. These are under ideal conditions (top of device wrapped in cold pack, CPU governor set to performance) so you probably won't get scores this high under normal testing.
With thermal throttling, you'll probably get less than 60,000.
 
bleh installing cuda drivers on a bare metal killed it
have to remotely debug
sigh
 
Flying a plane with your engines in reverse is hard
Just thought I'd mention.
 
4:08 AM
flight sim or irl
 
4:44 AM
Morning.
yawns
 
 
1 hour later…
5:52 AM
@Hennes morning
 
Almost time to leave.
FOSDEM!
Now if we only had teleporters instead of a 2 hour drive
 
6:42 AM
Wanted your guys opinion if I made my answer different enough from what I suspect is the solution to a question. I only submitted an answer myself because, the answer only tells you what to do, but not the reason or how to determine if its even required. I provided credit to the answer submitted first, but I did expand on it a great deal, the answer just felt like it needed more work then a bunch of comments to that answer would result in.
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A: Cannot install updates on windows 10, VIDEO_DXGKRNL_FATAL_ERROR

RamhoundI suspect Ken is actually right in his suggestion to increase the size of the ReadyBoot file. If the following event was logged: "The maximum file size for session "ReadyBoot" has been reached. As a result, events might be lost (not logged) to file "C:\Windows\Prefetch\ReadyBoot\ReadyBoo...

 
7:15 AM
@Ramhound His answer is pretty thin, I agree.
 
8:02 AM
@Ramhound seems fine tome
 
Bob
this has got to have a dupe somewhere
 
 
1 hour later…
9:31 AM
@bob Thanks for the correction.
 
9:46 AM
@Hennes Teleporters run by free software, hopefully.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:35 AM
@Bob Thank you. Maybe now we can stop the "WTFBBQ M$ SUCKS MONEYGRABBING WHORES" comments.
 
@Mokubai There's more?
 
@JourneymanGeek They stopped last night, I think a bunch got purged the night I posted, then more went last night.
 
Yeah, I purged another bunch just now
 
Bob
Oh, the linked Q's answer doesn't mention how newer versions raise the limit. Not sure if that's worth editing in or merging the answers for?
 
I somehow think splitting this up per version makes a ton of sense.
 
Bob
11:45 AM
@JourneymanGeek Well, both questions ask about Win7. Win8's limit is high enough to not be hit in the next half decade. All that's missing is an answer suggesting to use Win8+ instead.
Merging @Mokubai's answer in might be the easy way to do that, while retaining the credit and votes for the suggestion? shrug
 
@JourneymanGeek If you want to merge the questions then I'm fine with that. I doubt I'm getting an accept and I'm frankly surprised by the amount of rep. Shoulda made it CW.
Had a quick glance for dupes, but my search-fu here is somewhat hit-and-miss
 
Bob
@Mokubai It wasn't an easy one to find keywords for. Probably how the asker missed it too
I usually end up sorting by votes
If the dupe exists but isn't highly voted, it's often not worth hunting down just to close
 
 
1 hour later…
1:01 PM
@PatoSáinz I don't have the slightest idea, but my bet would be !!no
I just put an onebox image into an onebox image ;P
 
Damn out of he four bare metal servers we got from softlayer, 1 had ssd issue on provisioning, another has bad RAM.
wtf
 
@Mokubai kinda mixed on that, merging is wierd and scary ;p
 
Aye. I prefer merging for dupe posts by the same user, like when a question with good answers got migrated and already re-asked.
 
1:27 PM
I like big butts internet spaceships and I cannot lie
 
2:18 PM
Playing with a nvidia grid k2 card
This thing is fast
 
+------------------------------------------------------+
| NVIDIA-SMI 352.68     Driver Version: 352.68         |
|-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| GPU  Name        Persistence-M| Bus-Id        Disp.A | Volatile Uncorr. ECC |
| Fan  Temp  Perf  Pwr:Usage/Cap|         Memory-Usage | GPU-Util  Compute M. |
|===============================+======================+======================|
|   0  GRID K2             Off  | 0000:83:00.0     Off |                  Off |
 
yeah, those things seem ludicrious ;p
And somewhat specialised
 
Yup
What's extra ludicrous is how many passwords you can crack on a machine with 4 of those.
 
;p
What's that? 24000 dollars worth of cards? ;p
 
2:33 PM
Not sure actually, was renting from Amazon EC2
No idea where the screenshot went... it had 16 xeon cores too I think
I've never written anything for GPU compute myself
 
@qasdfdsaq Each card already has 2 processors
 
Bob
3:23 PM
@qasdfdsaq it's scary how many places weak (fast) hashes are used for passwords
 
Is there a way to force all users of a ubuntu syste, to update their passwords ?
Everyone has SSH key based login
Expiring their passwords seems to be the best way
 
Antarctica has faster internet than me
....
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I'd expect actual skill to dip around the perceived skill peak :P
 
Anonymous
3:38 PM
@HackToHell oh god what's that latency
 
Anonymous
are they on a sat link?
 
@PatoSáinz Probably
 
Anonymous
3:52 PM
@HackToHell living there sure seems fun, still nytimes.com/2016/01/07/world/americas/…
 
Anonymous
also, how fast is your internet?
 
Bob
Dial-up
 
cpx
Anybody is still using dial-up?
 
Anonymous
> It sounds crazy, but 2.1 million people in the United States still use AOL dial-up to connect to the Internet.
 
Bob
4:02 PM
There are some places where that's literally the only thing available (apart from expensive satellite).
You can still transfer some 15+ GB in a month.
 
4:17 PM
Last speed test before we switched from DSL to cable.
 
@PatoSáinz 512 kbps :/
Had access to 50Mbps at the office tho
It was bleeding awesome
 
Anonymous
@HackToHell oh god that's worse than my old ADSL speeds of 600 kilo*bytes*/second
 
@bwDraco supposed to be getting cable in my place last year
still fucking delayed
 
Anonymous
is there only one ISP where you live?
 
@PatoSáinz :(
@PatoSáinz Nah all of them have a FUP
After which speed goes to that
 
Anonymous
4:23 PM
@HackToHell ... at least your latency is "decent"
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
@HackToHell and you have better uplink than downlink
 
Anonymous
 
I have not tested my AT&T 4G LTE connection and don't plan to do so as I don't want to use up my data.
 
@PatoSáinz No damn game servers in my country
Ping to sg is 300 ms
@PatoSáinz weird shit
 
Anonymous
4:35 PM
@HackToHell oh then it has no use
 
Anonymous
well @HackToHell in your situation I wouldn't know what to recommend as a solution
 
@PatoSáinz well there's none
I game in crappy stuff :D
 
4:58 PM
@Bob Like, er, everywhere that runs Windows?
 
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