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Anonymous

00:00

@qasdfdsaq It isn't because...

qasdfdsaq

Because E=mc²

DavidPostill

Charge conservation

In physics, charge conservation is the principle that electric charge can neither be created nor destroyed. The net quantity of electric charge, the amount of positive charge plus the amount of negative charge in the universe, is always conserved. The first written statement of the principle was by American scientist and statesman Benjamin Franklin in 1747. it is now discovered and demonstrated, both here and in Europe, that the Electrical Fire is a real Element, or Species of Matter, not created by the Friction, but collected only. Charge conservation is a physical law that states that the change...

"Although conservation of charge requires that the total quantity of charge in the universe is constant, it leaves open the question of what that quantity is. Most evidence indicates that the net charge in the universe is zero; that is, there are equal quantities of positive and negative charge."

qasdfdsaq

> This does not mean that individual positive and negative charges cannot be created or destroyed. Electric charge is carried by subatomic particles such as electrons and protons, which can be created and destroyed.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq well yeah mass is energy

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq then a more correct phrasing would have been that the net charge of the universe is still zero

DavidPostill

00:05

"The Law of Conservation of Charge does not mean that electric charge can't be created or destroyed. It just means that every time some negative electric charge is created, an equal amount of positive electric charge must be created at the same time so that the total charge of a system does not change."

qasdfdsaq

The correct way of saying:

6 mins ago, by Pato Sáinz

@qasdfdsaq but I think (don't quote me on it) that the net quantity of electrons is still zero

Is to not say it at all.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq so now people that aren't 100% correct ought to not speak

qasdfdsaq

20 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

I don't care what you ought to do, go figure that out yourself.

19 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

I'm not your mother.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq you just said that people shouldn't talk if they aren't correct. Now you are contradicting yourself.

qasdfdsaq

No, I said

Anonymous

00:07

but I don't actually care about coherence in your messages

qasdfdsaq

1 min ago, by qasdfdsaq

The correct way of saying:

2 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

6 mins ago, by Pato Sáinz

@qasdfdsaq but I think (don't quote me on it) that the net quantity of electrons is still zero

2 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

Is to not say it at all.

Anonymous

cue the conversation about implications and connotative meaning. dejavu. (and no I'm not going to onebox it)

Anonymous

k

qasdfdsaq

Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension

Because every time I say "A" you seem to think I said "B"

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq It's fine thanks. Maybe you should you should work on your expression.

qasdfdsaq

00:09

Pro-tip: If I meant to say "B" I would have said "B", not "A"

Anonymous

There's a non-zero chance that a reasonable person would read A and B given B usually implies A

qasdfdsaq

99.97% of people can understand my expression just fine, it seems to be only you who has a problem.

And it's not worth my time to change how I talk just to make things easier for one person.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq I cannot believe you on that statement given that you are not good at listening.

Anonymous

now, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing, and so are you lol

qasdfdsaq

Now you seem to be doing it agani

I never claimed to be good at listening.

Anonymous

00:12

I claimed you were not, just like you claimed I didn't have a good reading comprehension.

qasdfdsaq

And?

Anonymous

claimers claiming claims about claims

qasdfdsaq

And yet what you actually said was "I can't believe A because B"

Anonymous

sup @Avamander

DavidPostill

Why don't you both give up or take it to a private room?

2

qasdfdsaq

00:14

Give up what?

Anonymous

@DavidPostill that's very reasonable, I agree. And I pledge to give up.

DavidPostill

Trying to convince each other that the other one is wrong.

That Brazilian Guy

qasdfdsaq

I think Wikipedia pretty conclusively proved that.

Journeyman Geek

Morning

That Brazilian Guy

00:16

OH NOES A MOD!!! Quick everybody stop fighting!

Anonymous

morning @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

You're both wrong. Clearly.

4

qasdfdsaq

Yes but as I stated earlier, I don't care.

Anonymous

<3

qasdfdsaq

00:17

I'm not being paid to be right

That Brazilian Guy

@PatoSáinz Lo siento, pero no hablo español!

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy não falo português

That Brazilian Guy

Also, it's the second time I call you "a duck" ~~just by coincidence~~ entirely on purpose, my comedic timing is that good!

qasdfdsaq

My mission in life is to be a cat, not to be right

That Brazilian Guy

@PatoSáinz Did you mean: "Eu não falo português"?

DavidPostill

00:20

@qasdfdsaq Wikipedia proved you were wrong.
@PatoSáinz said "how come charge is conserved throughout all of the universe?".
@qasdfdsaq said "It isn't.".
@wikipedia said "The net quantity of electric charge, the amount of positive charge plus the amount of negative charge in the universe, is always conserved"

Anonymous

lol

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy also need to do that right

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill Thanks for re-ordering my messages.

29 mins ago, by Pato Sáinz

@DavidPostill well the universe still has net +-0 electrons

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy nah because subjects can be tacit, at least on Spanish (and thus also on Portuguese probably)

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq "Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension"

qasdfdsaq

00:21

23 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

Nope

Journeyman Geek

That Brazilian Guy

@PatoSáinz Well, you're technically correct, but no one here speaks that way.

Anonymous

can somebody onebox @qasdfdsaq's oneboxes so we can onebox while we onebox

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy wow that's surprisingly different from here, well, nice

That Brazilian Guy

DavidPostill

00:23

@qasdfdsaq I didn't reorder any messages. I picked 2 consecutive ones and my response.

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill Funny how they're not consecutive on my screen.

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy cringes I usually run from that kind of hardware, is it any good?

DavidPostill

Looks consecutive to me.

@qasdfdsaq

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy spanish.stackexchange.com/questions/3939/…

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill Is that my screen? Wow how can you see my screen. Creepy.

Anonymous

00:26

I'm surprised to see a romance language that doesn't use implicit subjects a lot... it should have been enough to say falo since it's first person-singular-present.

qasdfdsaq

I'm going to have to run away and bury my head in the sand now because DavidPostill is spying on my screen over the internet.

o_0

DavidPostill

If your screen scrambles all the chat messages into some random order different to mine I don't care ;)

qasdfdsaq

Then why did you put a virus on my computer so you could screenshot it?

Journeyman Geek

Cause its fun

We're also deleting your porn stash

qasdfdsaq

No you're not

Journeyman Geek

00:32

That's what you think

qasdfdsaq

I deleted that already so DavidPostill couldn't see it.

Seems like a waste of electrons for you to undelete them just to delete them again

Journeyman Geek

qasdfdsaq

01:20

bwDraco

01:34

I'm honestly surprised that thermal throttling is significantly limiting the performance of my Nexus 5X.

Put a cold pack on the phone during the benchmark and it scores much higher on AuTuTu.

qasdfdsaq

I'm not really surprised at all

All flagship phones for the past 4-5 years have been thermally limited, it's the whole Core M design philosophy

bwDraco

The surface temperature of the phone, however, is not high at all. Is the phone throttling too aggressively?

qasdfdsaq

Depends what temperature the CPU reaches really

bwDraco

(This is in contrast to my Nexus 9, which is just as prone to thermal throttling, but will let the SoC exceed 80 C causing the tablet to get so hot near the top right that one could conceivably get low-temperature burns from prolonged contact with the device.)

...and this isn't a flagship phone. It's a Nexus 5X, with a Snapdragon 808.

The Snapdragon 810 is known for running extremely hot.

qasdfdsaq

Yes, because it's the same Snapdragon 8xx chipset that's used in flagship phones.

bwDraco

01:39

The Nexus 6P, which is a flagship model, is equipped with the SD810, and can get very hot during operation.

qasdfdsaq

Like I said, all of the Snapdragon 800 series do, because they're all variants of the same chip

bwDraco

My Nexus 5X gets very warm (but not quite hot) under load.

qasdfdsaq

The 400 and 600 series are fine

Well... mostly

They can all throttle, no mobile processors are designed to sustain maximum performance for prolonged periods

bwDraco

The Nexus 6P is better than most, though, and some devices can get so hot that they can cause burns.

10tv.com/content/stories/2013/08/28/…

Anonymous

@bwDraco advances should be made in low-profile thermal dissipation

Anonymous

01:51

even though I dunno if there are still advances to be made in thermodynamics/engineering

bwDraco

I was thinking about some kind of convection cooling solution with little holes near the bezel of the phone to allow the SoC to vent heat, as well as better heat-sinking of the SoC.

Anonymous

@bwDraco or maybe fill the phone with something that gives it thermal "mass" without the added weight

Anonymous

even tho it'd make the phones hard to repair

bwDraco

Directly heat-sinking the SoC to a metal case, however, could cause the surface of the phone to get dangerously hot (potentially hot enough to cause burns with just a few seconds of contact).

qasdfdsaq

Adding mass without adding mass. Hmm. Logical

Anonymous

01:54

@qasdfdsaq you are getting annoying

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz I knew you were trouble.

Anonymous

it's like a heatsink made of steel vs a heatsink made of aliminium: one is going to be lighter

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq ok so you are just uncivil and obnoxious, because you don't care. k.

qasdfdsaq

And it will have less thermal mass.

Because guess what the mass in thermal mass means

Anonymous

now you are just missing the point.

bwDraco

01:57

HTC One M9, with Snapdragon 810, reaches dangerously high temperatures under load

Anonymous

thermal capacitance if you want to be so pedantic

bwDraco

Specific heat.

Anonymous

@bwDraco yep

qasdfdsaq

Different name for exactly the same thing

Changing your words won't get around the laws of physics

bwDraco

55.4 C (131.7 F) is hot enough to cause burns with more than a few seconds of contact.

qasdfdsaq

01:59

Depends on the material

Anonymous

@bwDraco yes, sounds awful

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq well we know it's brushed aluminium: so pretty damn well at conducting heat

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz What exactly are you on about now?

Last I checked the Nexus 5x is made of plastic

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq last time I checked we were talking about the HTC One M9's temperature problems

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz Last I checked we were talking abotu the Nexus 5X's temperature problems.

29 mins ago, by bwDraco

I'm honestly surprised that thermal throttling is significantly limiting the performance of my Nexus 5X.

Anonymous

02:03

@qasdfdsaq the 55.4ºC figure is for the One M9

Anonymous

4 mins ago, by bwDraco

55.4 C (131.7 F) is hot enough to cause burns with more than a few seconds of contact.

Anonymous

to which you replied: Depends on the material.

Anonymous

now stop.

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz Now you're just making up rubbish

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq did you even read @bwDraco's link?

qasdfdsaq

02:05

@PatoSáinz I don't see a link in that message

You're just clutching at straws now.

Or are you imagining people talking about B when they say A again? Cause I'm afraid I don't do that.

bwDraco

I believe HTC made some adjustments to the thermal throttling point to address the issue in shipping units (the tested phone was a pre-release model).

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq "Depends on the material": What depends on the material? The temperature that's hot enough to cause burns with more than a few seconds of contact. Which temperature? The M9's.

Anonymous

You do like to annoy people, I see

qasdfdsaq

2 hours ago, by qasdfdsaq

Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension

Urgh. Blocked.

Maybe when you learn to read without making up spurious inferences we can talk.

Anonymous

Bob

02:09

@DavidPostill s/System Tray/Notification Area/

blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20030910-00/?p=42583

bwDraco

phonearena.com/news/…

An OTA update fixed the thermal issues on the One M9.

qasdfdsaq

s/fixed/hid/

Only way to fix the Snapdragon 800 is to not use it

Bob

800? Wasn't it the 810 with the overheating issues?

qasdfdsaq

The whole 8xx series

Bob

Hm. I've not really heard much about the 800 overheating. Lots of fuss over the 810 though.

808 is supposed to be a bit better. Or at least throttle less. At the cost of two fewer high-perf cores.

qasdfdsaq

02:17

All modern smartphones can't sustain full speeds

It's the Core M mentality

Burst speed, and throttle.

Bob

02:40

@allquixotic Ah, nice. Bit of a funny layout there, though. DP, DP, HDMI, DP.

@allquixotic Any chance of getting an interior photo? :P

The ports look like the ref design.

qasdfdsaq

Huh. I have a reference GTX 970 and it looks nothing like that

DVI-I, DVI-D, DP, HDMI.

Bob

Odd.

I just looked up "GTX 970 reference" on Google images :P

Oh, was the 980 (?): guru3d.com/articles-pages/…

But 970 looks the same: reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/2gutp2/…

qasdfdsaq

Nah.

This is a reference GTX 970 PCB

There was never a reference cooler for the 970, so the one you linked is just a 980 cooler slapped on.

A few OEMs made GTX 970's with GTX 980 board layouts, hence the 980 cooler.

Bob

Oh. shrug

I don't know, I'm just going by what I can find :P

qasdfdsaq

Yeah the 970 was a weird one. Had some trouble finding reference waterblocks and cards to fit together

Bob

02:48

Waiiit.

@qasdfdsaq geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/…

Now I'm confused.

(image 4 was the one above)

qasdfdsaq

Yeah that's basically a photoshop :-/

Well, no.

Bob

The specs also say:

> Standard Display Connectors: Dual Link DVI-I, HDMI 2.0, 3x DisplayPort 1.2

qasdfdsaq

overclockers.co.uk/…

Bob

That's from Nvidia's own site :\

qasdfdsaq

""NVIDIA 970 Cooler Edition" 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card"

"This very special NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 is the only one of its kind designed by our in-house VGA Guru Gibbo making this the worlds ONLY genuine reference 970 available in the world. Gibbo's design request were very specific, genuine NVIDIA 970 cooler, yes the crazy expensive one just like the 980 cooler and a NVIDIA BGA Board using all original NVIDIA components with absolute zero cost down in the design. "

Bob

02:51

Hm.

All I know is it's the one that Nvidia has put images of on their own site.

qasdfdsaq

There was a lot of fudging around.

Bob

And their own site lists the (presumably reference) specs as including 3x DP.

qasdfdsaq

They maayyy have added those a few months after release

Bob

Which doesn't match your supposedly-reference card.

Odd. Maybe different revision.

qasdfdsaq

anandtech.com/show/8568/the-geforce-gtx-970-review-feat-evga

> Furthermore, as we mentioned in our GTX 980 review, GTX 970 has been a pure virtual (no reference card) launch, which means all of NVIDIA’s partners are launching their custom cards right out of the gate. A lot of these have been recycled or otherwise only slightly modified GTX 700/600 series designs, owing to the fact that GM204’s memory bus has been held at 256-bits and its power requirements are so low.

Bob

02:52

Hm. Then why does Nvidia list "Standard Display Connectors" on their site, if they're not really standard?

qasdfdsaq

Fuck knows

Bob

lol

qasdfdsaq

It seems all the ones at release had my output layout

But perhaps some time later they released a "reference" edition with the port layout @allquixotic has

Bob

Even way back (pun not intended) in 2014: web.archive.org/web/20140922054941/http://www.geforce.com/…

> The below specifications represent this GPU as incorporated into NVIDIA's reference graphics card design.

qasdfdsaq

Huh

Bob

02:54

Weird. Really weird.

qasdfdsaq

And yet... reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/2gutp2/…

> Nvidia usually only sells reference versions of their flagship cards. In this case, their flagship card is the GTX 980. As far as I know, a 970 reference doesn't really exist on the consumer end.

Evidently there's a reference PCB based on the GTX 980, and a reference PCB based on... well... itself.

Bob

lol

qasdfdsaq

The GTX970-only PCB is much smaller.

Bob

So they had a reference one for their own specs and photos, and presumably testing, and a different reference design for actual release/manufacturing.

And at some point someone (Dell? One of their suppliers?) got their hands on the photographed design.

qasdfdsaq

If only they had them at release...

Bob

02:57

Or reproduced it to look identical.

qasdfdsaq

Actually I only bought mine like 3 months after release.

But either way, if there were a true reference card, I wouldn't have one with bent capacitors right now -_-

Bob

o.O

Shoddy cooler fitting?

qasdfdsaq

Nah, reference design, which wasn't entirely reference. They used slightly thicker capacitors, but not thick enough for EKWB to notice.

So they listed it on their compatibility list because it looked like the reference card, without realising the caps were 0.5mm too wide. Then they removed it from the compatibility list later... but not before I bought the combo :-/

So I ended up with a waterblock that claimed to be compatible but actually needed me to bend some caps to get it to fit.

And I was too tired/lazy/impatient to return either for a swap.

bwDraco

03:43

AnTuTu version 6 benchmark results for the Nexus 5X. These are under ideal conditions (top of device wrapped in cold pack, CPU governor set to performance) so you probably won't get scores this high under normal testing.

With thermal throttling, you'll probably get less than 60,000.

HackToHell

bleh installing cuda drivers on a bare metal killed it

have to remotely debug

sigh

qasdfdsaq

Flying a plane with your engines in reverse is hard

Just thought I'd mention.

HackToHell

04:08

flight sim or irl

Hennes

04:44

Morning.

yawns

HackToHell

05:52

@Hennes morning

Hennes

Almost time to leave.
FOSDEM!

Now if we only had teleporters instead of a 2 hour drive

Ramhound

06:42

Wanted your guys opinion if I made my answer different enough from what I suspect is the solution to a question. I only submitted an answer myself because, the answer only tells you what to do, but not the reason or how to determine if its even required. I provided credit to the answer submitted first, but I did expand on it a great deal, the answer just felt like it needed more work then a bunch of comments to that answer would result in.

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A: Cannot install updates on windows 10, VIDEO_DXGKRNL_FATAL_ERROR

I suspect Ken is actually right in his suggestion to increase the size of the ReadyBoot file. If the following event was logged: "The maximum file size for session "ReadyBoot" has been reached. As a result, events might be lost (not logged) to file "C:\Windows\Prefetch\ReadyBoot\ReadyBoo...

Michael Frank

07:15

@Ramhound His answer is pretty thin, I agree.

Journeyman Geek

08:02

@Ramhound seems fine tome

Bob

this has got to have a dupe somewhere

Oh, found it: superuser.com/questions/811456/installed-ram-20-gb-16-gb-usable

DavidPostill

09:31

@bob Thanks for the correction.

Faheem Mitha

09:46

@Hennes Teleporters run by free software, hopefully.

Mokubai

11:35

@Bob Thank you. Maybe now we can stop the "WTFBBQ M$ SUCKS MONEYGRABBING WHORES" comments.

Journeyman Geek

@Mokubai There's more?

Mokubai

@JourneymanGeek They stopped last night, I think a bunch got purged the night I posted, then more went last night.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, I purged another bunch just now

Bob

Oh, the linked Q's answer doesn't mention how newer versions raise the limit. Not sure if that's worth editing in or merging the answers for?

Journeyman Geek

I somehow think splitting this up per version makes a ton of sense.

Bob

11:45

@JourneymanGeek Well, both questions ask about Win7. Win8's limit is high enough to not be hit in the next half decade. All that's missing is an answer suggesting to use Win8+ instead.

Merging @Mokubai's answer in might be the easy way to do that, while retaining the credit and votes for the suggestion? shrug

Mokubai

@JourneymanGeek If you want to merge the questions then I'm fine with that. I doubt I'm getting an accept and I'm frankly surprised by the amount of rep. Shoulda made it CW.

Had a quick glance for dupes, but my search-fu here is somewhat hit-and-miss

Bob

@Mokubai It wasn't an easy one to find keywords for. Probably how the asker missed it too

I usually end up sorting by votes

If the dupe exists but isn't highly voted, it's often not worth hunting down just to close

That Brazilian Guy

13:01

@PatoSáinz I don't have the slightest idea, but my bet would be !!no

I just put an onebox image into an onebox image ;P

HackToHell

Damn out of he four bare metal servers we got from softlayer, 1 had ssd issue on provisioning, another has bad RAM.

wtf

Journeyman Geek

@Mokubai kinda mixed on that, merging is wierd and scary ;p

Mokubai

Aye. I prefer merging for dupe posts by the same user, like when a question with good answers got migrated and already re-asked.

qasdfdsaq

13:27

I like big ~~butts~~ internet spaceships and I cannot lie

HackToHell

14:18

Playing with a nvidia grid k2 card

This thing is fast

Journeyman Geek

0_0

HackToHell

+------------------------------------------------------+
| NVIDIA-SMI 352.68     Driver Version: 352.68         |
|-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| GPU  Name        Persistence-M| Bus-Id        Disp.A | Volatile Uncorr. ECC |
| Fan  Temp  Perf  Pwr:Usage/Cap|         Memory-Usage | GPU-Util  Compute M. |
|===============================+======================+======================|
|   0  GRID K2             Off  | 0000:83:00.0     Off |                  Off |

Journeyman Geek

yeah, those things seem ludicrious ;p

And somewhat specialised

qasdfdsaq

Yup

What's extra ludicrous is how many passwords you can crack on a machine with 4 of those.

Journeyman Geek

;p

What's that? 24000 dollars worth of cards? ;p

qasdfdsaq

14:33

Not sure actually, was renting from Amazon EC2

No idea where the screenshot went... it had 16 xeon cores too I think

I've never written anything for GPU compute myself

HackToHell

@qasdfdsaq Each card already has 2 processors

Bob

15:23

@qasdfdsaq it's scary how many places weak (fast) hashes are used for passwords

HackToHell

Is there a way to force all users of a ubuntu syste, to update their passwords ?

Everyone has SSH key based login

Expiring their passwords seems to be the best way

Journeyman Geek

HackToHell

Antarctica has faster internet than me

....

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'd expect actual skill to dip around the perceived skill peak :P

Anonymous

15:38

@HackToHell oh god what's that latency

Anonymous

are they on a sat link?

HackToHell

@PatoSáinz Probably

Anonymous

15:52

@HackToHell living there sure seems fun, still nytimes.com/2016/01/07/world/americas/…

Anonymous

also, how fast is your internet?

Bob

Dial-up

cpx

Anybody is still using dial-up?

Anonymous

@cpx OMG: 2.1 million people still use AOL dial-up

Anonymous

> It sounds crazy, but 2.1 million people in the United States still use AOL dial-up to connect to the Internet.

Bob

16:02

There are some places where that's literally the only thing available (apart from expensive satellite).

You can still transfer some 15+ GB in a month.

bwDraco

16:17

Last speed test before we switched from DSL to cable.

HackToHell

@PatoSáinz 512 kbps :/

Had access to 50Mbps at the office tho

It was bleeding awesome

Anonymous

@HackToHell oh god that's worse than my old ADSL speeds of 600 kilo*bytes*/second

HackToHell

@bwDraco supposed to be getting cable in my place last year

still fucking delayed

Anonymous

is there only one ISP where you live?

HackToHell

@PatoSáinz :(

@PatoSáinz Nah all of them have a FUP

After which speed goes to that

Anonymous

16:23

@HackToHell ... at least your latency is "decent"

Anonymous

@HackToHell and you have better uplink than downlink

Anonymous

bwDraco

I have not tested my AT&T 4G LTE connection and don't plan to do so as I don't want to use up my data.

HackToHell

@PatoSáinz No damn game servers in my country

Ping to sg is 300 ms

@PatoSáinz weird shit

Anonymous

16:35

@HackToHell oh then it has no use

Anonymous

well @HackToHell in your situation I wouldn't know what to recommend as a solution

HackToHell

@PatoSáinz well there's none

I game in crappy stuff :D

qasdfdsaq

16:58

@Bob Like, er, everywhere that runs Windows?

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