The Nineteenth Byte

ETHproductions

11:00 PM

@FlagAsSpam Surely you mean Murican'?

code-fencing

@ETHproductions lel

Good night

@flawr code-goodnight

FlagAsSpam

@ETHproductions I Murican't even deal with that.

@flawr Night!

I can only odd. :c

Alex A.

11:00 PM

Are you an American or an American't?

flawr

*Americannot

PhiNotPi

DARTH TRUMP - Auralnauts

code-race-walking

@flawr ...no.

code-triathlon could actually be interesting!

ETHproductions

11:02 PM

code-edoc

Alex A.

Dennis did that decathlon thing

code-programming

code-coding

@flawr Hmm

code

11:04 PM

@ETHproductions This exists - palindrome

ETHproductions

-

Thomas Kwa

Optimize for speed, size, and... some other criterion, separately?

FlagAsSpam

Contra proferentem

Contra proferentem (Latin: "against [the] offeror"), also known as "interpretation against the draftsman", is a doctrine of contractual interpretation providing that, where a promise, agreement or term is ambiguous, the preferred meaning should be the one that works against the interests of the party who provided the wording. The doctrine is often applied to situations involving standardized contracts or where the parties are of unequal bargaining power, but is applicable to other cases. The doctrine is not, however, directly applicable to situations where the language at issue is mandated by law...

Thomas Kwa

15

A: Default for Code Golf: Program, Function or Snippet?

Restricting to just programs requires explicitly specifying "full program" rather than just "program" If the question requests a program, this can still be answered with a function. This allows for the fact that many people state "program" without thinking, not intending to exclude functions. F...

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa optimize-as-spam

2

FlagAsSpam

11:06 PM

@ThomasKwa Exactly.

@AlexA. I'm contractually bound to star this.

Alex A.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ok

@PhiNotPi haha

ETHproductions

tag

code-tag

Has anyone else noticed that BF has been esolangs.org's featured language for close to 2.5 years?

quartata

This STDERR HW challenge should be closed why is it still open

Thomas Kwa

@quartata Why?

FlagAsSpam

@ETHproductions Well, it's the most famous esolang (aside of Java, of course).

quartata

11:12 PM

It's basically the same as the regular HW challenge.

Thomas Kwa

57 mins ago, by Thomas Kwa

It's a challenge that should exist

57 mins ago, by Thomas Kwa

It's just not a, y'know, challenging one

ETHproductions

I just clicked the "Random Page" link on Esolangs wiki 10 times...and 9 of the 10 random pages were related to BF or its derivatives.

FlagAsSpam

2 mins ago, by FlagAsSpam

@ETHproductions Well, it's the most famous esolang (aside of Java, of course).

PhiNotPi

@cat "The only supercomputer I have is my mind." (As a serious answer, no, I just put Chapel on my laptop.) — PhiNotPi 21 secs ago

FlagAsSpam

OH NO I REPCAPPED.

FEEEECK.

No more rep for an hour. :c

Doorknob

11:15 PM

ono

ETHproductions

@FlagAsSpam I remember the first time that happened... it was at 23:55 UTC

PhiNotPi

RIP

ETHproductions

And my rep caps' timing have been creeping back by about five minutes every time since then

(which is four more times so far)

FlagAsSpam

And then I was down voted.

RIP cap.

ETHproductions

There you go.

FlagAsSpam

11:18 PM

oyay

(Once I repcap, I don't want to lose it. cries)

ETHproductions

Or should I have waited until right before UTC midnight?

FlagAsSpam

Nah. Whatevs. My input should not interfere with how you vote.

gets 30 upvotes

dies

ETHproductions

RIP for the third time

could someone plz +1 15 of my posts so I can rep cap thx you very much

Anonymous

Yay first accepted answer!

ETHproductions

@Mego Nice :) I have like three, and they're all for Japt answers

Is anyone else watching the Broncos/Patriots game right now?

Sp3000

11:27 PM

Ways to get accepted: 1) Write a short answer, 2) Make sure nobody else writes an answer

ETHproductions

^

feersum

3) Write the first answer and get accepted 5 minutes after the question was posted

FlagAsSpam

When I first read the name of this question my heart just died:

4

Q: Is there any more information on this RSA backdoor?

Someone posted this on reddit a few days ago, and I haven't found much about it except for links back to the same page. Here's the article http://programmingpraxis.com/2016/01/19/rsa-encryption-backdoor/ And for a brief summary, essentially, it's possible to introduce a backdoor during RSA key ...

ETHproductions

4) Add a built-in to your golfing language while the challenge is in the Sandbox

FlagAsSpam

@ETHproductions This is a standard loophole.

ETHproductions

11:31 PM

4a) Use Mathematica

Anonymous

@Sp3000 #2 is easy if you just write a solution to a challenge nobody else wants to solve

FlagAsSpam

@ETHproductions This is a standard loophole.

Alex A.

@Sp3000 That happened to me once

Sp3000

@Mego I know, most of my Python accepts are that :/

Alex A.

lel

ETHproductions

11:32 PM

4b) Use ~~Dennis~~ Jelly

Alex A.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anonymous

halp how 2 program in dennis gimme codes plz

FlagAsSpam

@ETHproductions This is a standard ~~loophole~~ meme.

wizzwizz4

Who likes Maths?

FlagAsSpam

@wizzwizz4 Everyone.

wizzwizz4

11:34 PM

What about ~~AGI~~ Machine learning algorithms?

ETHproductions

@wizzwizz4 Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! Pick me!

Alex A.

@Mego brb making esolang called Dennis

@Sp3000 @PhiNotPi Looks like you two will almost definitely win the teamwork award. :D

PhiNotPi

Woo!

wizzwizz4

Does anyone want to program this?

32

Q: "Life post-Singularity", or "How to survive without Instagram"

The Story The year is 2027, singularity happened. A powerful AI (let's call it Eve) was created. In a matter of days, it escaped the control of its creators and hacked all the computers of the world. Humanity is at its mercy. The thing is, Eve isn't malevolent or benevolent, it's completely uni...

society near-future artificial-intelligence computers singularity

PhiNotPi

get rekt red team.

Alex A.

11:36 PM

haha

wizzwizz4

Fewest bytes wins.

Alex A.

Eat this pizza, fewest bites wins

10

wizzwizz4

To be completely honest, I could survive perfectly well without Instagram.

Anonymous

@AlexA. There really wasn't much competition there. They inspired a (suggested) standard rule in KotH challenges.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 rm -rf instragram

ETHproductions

11:37 PM

@AlexA. Programming Pizzas and Mouth Golf

quartata

Evidently I'm winning Rookie of The Year

ok

Alex A.

@quartata u kaptalzed The an not of

@quartata ok

quartata

Also Jelly isn't winning Most Promising Golfing Language. Why.

wizzwizz4

@Mego Ahem. rm -rf /instagram! I might have a folder called instagram inside my folder called hate.

quartata

Who is winning anyways

Alex A.

11:38 PM

@quartata ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Retina is also amazing.

quartata

Retina it looks like

Sp3000

@qua Popcon will be popcon

wizzwizz4

_/¯(ツ)¯\_

quartata

Jan 10 at 19:48, by Martin Büttner

@quartata I'm just trying to find one good showcase answer... considering a self-nomination for most promising golfing language (not that I have a chance against Jelly, but the few things it does, it does really well I think)

Alex A.

Heh, @Thomas @Qua. lel

quartata

11:39 PM

> not that I have a chance against Jelly

guess you were wrong @MartinBüttner

wizzwizz4

~~Cook this Pisa, fewest megawatts wins.~~ Autocorrect! :-/

quartata

@AlexA. Sock confirmed????/?

Anonymous

I honestly expected Jelly to beat out Retina

Alex A.

Retina seems so ubiquitous that I had actually forgotten that it was invented in 2015 and thus eligible for the award

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Retina is bae

Calvin's Hobbies

11:41 PM

retina jelly...sounds gross

2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Use it in mainstream programming.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Isn't that like the viscous fluid inside of eyeballs?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

omigosh hez so smartz

FlagAsSpam

Can someone try this?

{ { perl6 -e 'note"Hello World!";'; } 2>&3 | sed 's/^/STDOUT: /'; } 3>&1 1>&2 | sed 's/^/STDERR: /'

Bash + perl6.

quartata

What does it do?

I have Perl 6

FlagAsSpam

11:42 PM

I can't try it because I'm on a loaner laptop for my school, can't get perl6.

Alex A.

I don't have Perl 6, nor do I want to tarnish my computer with it

FlagAsSpam

@quartata It's to see if note outputs to STDERR.

If it does, the output will be preceded by "STDERR:". If STDOUT, "STDOUT:".

quartata

STDERR: ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling -e
STDERR: Two terms in a row
STDERR: at -e:1
STDERR: ------> note⏏"Hello World!";
STDERR:     expecting any of:
STDERR:         argument list
STDERR:         postfix
STDERR:         infix stopper
STDERR:         infix or meta-infix
STDERR:         statement end
STDERR:         statement modifier
STDERR:         statement modifier loop

Alex A.

^

I tried it on ideone, which has Perl 6

FlagAsSpam

Uhh... does note "Hello World" work?

They might've removed implied parenthetical for ".

Alex A.

11:45 PM

[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m Error while compiling prog.pl
Two terms in a row
at prog.pl:2
------> [32mnote[33m⏏[31m"Hello World!";[0m
    expecting any of:
        argument list
        postfix
        infix stopper
        infix or meta-infix
        statement end
        statement modifier
        statement modifier loop

FlagAsSpam

@quartata Save the perl code in a file and try it, maybe? (just change the perl6 -e 'note"Hello World!";'; bit as necessary).

Alex A.

Looks like it requires parentheses.

note("Hello World!"); works.

Anonymous

-2

Q: HelloWorld error

Introduction Everyone's first program outputs Hello World!. This program should be very simple, that's all you have to do. Challenge Output the string Hello World! to the STDERR. Rules If your language doesn't support STDERR or STDERR doesn't exist for it(such as PHP), you can output it to ...

code-golf hello-world

Anonymous

Why is this still open?

FlagAsSpam

@AlexA. Does note "Hello World!"?

Also, is it going to STDERR?

Alex A.

11:48 PM

@FlagAsSpam No, see above error message

@FlagAsSpam Yes

@Mego Some people disagree that it should be closed.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

why should it be closed?

FlagAsSpam

It's not really a dupe - lots of langs have various ways of outputting to STDERR.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Dupe of the main HW challenge

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

quartata

This is why I hate Perl 6.

FlagAsSpam

11:50 PM

I'm working on a Vitsy answer as we speak. xD

quartata

I have no idea what they did to the syntax but it's super strict and ugly now

And it requires semicolons blergh

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata You'd like JavaScript, then :3

come to us

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Excuse me JavaScript syntax is disgusting

Anonymous

@AlexA. There are 6 votes on my dupe comment, which means at least 7 people agree it's a dupe. 2 dupe votes (mine and minxomat's) got wasted because it got closed for the wrong reason. So >=5 agree and can still vote, but there's only 2 close votes on it.

quartata

I just want Perl 6 to be like Perl 5

@Mego That actually means 7 people voted for it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

11:51 PM

@quartata How so?

quartata

When you cast a dupe vote and a dupe comment exists it automatically upvotes it

Alex A.

@Mego Plus one virtual close vote from me.

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ don't even

Alex A.

lel

Anonymous

@AlexA. True. So only 4 "real" votes, since yours is a hammer.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

11:52 PM

@quartata o_o

quartata

@Mego It means 6 "real" votes.

Any upvotes on your comment = dupe close votes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata No, I upvoted your comment.

Alex A.

@Mego Right. That's why I haven't taken any action. But I'll cast the fifth close vote should it get four.

Anonymous

@quartata Or, you know, people could've upvoted the comment themselves without dupe-voting, either because they VTC'd for the wrong reason or didn't VTC at all

Alex A.

@quartata False

quartata

11:52 PM

I suppose

I find it unlikely

Alex A.

I upvoted the comment

Anonymous

Users who can't close, for example

quartata

I think flagging it upvotes it too though

Anyways

FlagAsSpam

@Mego I thought you were saying my name. >.> My eyes scanned it and were like, "Ooh, he's talking about me!"

Anonymous

Thought experiment: If a challenge popped up right now that was simply output "Hello, World!" to a file, would you VTC it as a dupe of the main challenge?

FlagAsSpam

11:54 PM

No.

quartata

@FlagAsSpam

in The 2nd Monitor, 6 mins ago, by Quill

I was going to make a poor AppleScript joke, but then I realised AppleScript is a joke enough by itself

FlagAsSpam

(I missed the file bit)

quartata

better defend yourself

Anonymous

@FlagAsSpam Why not?

Alex A.

@quartata You hang out in the Code Review chat room?

GTFO

quartata

11:54 PM

@AlexA. I hang out in pretty much every room.

I don't really talk though.

Alex A.

You weren't lying

quartata

Wait why am I not in :chat!

Alex A.

Because you use Emacs

quartata

stupid "hurr durr you haven't checked in 5 minutes time to drop you from the room"

Anonymous

3 mins ago, by Mego

Thought experiment: If a challenge popped up right now that was simply output "Hello, World!" to a file, would you VTC it as a dupe of the main challenge?

Anonymous

11:57 PM

That was meant for everyone :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah.

FlagAsSpam

@Mego Oh, because it requires file I/O.

Alex A.

@Mego Yes

Anonymous

@FlagAsSpam And how is file I/O not a trivial transformation from printing to STDOUT?

quartata