The Nineteenth Byte

@NewMainPosts Am I remembering incorrectly or is that a dupe?

I've seen that topic before but I thought it was on anarchy golf.

@Optimizer What?

@Sp3000 We've done error quines, but I don't remember a Hello, World! error challenge.

How is that question unclear in any way?

10:10 PM

@GamrCorps How do I use lambda again?

It trivial and not good, but why unclear?

@mınxomaτ People like to close challenges they think are too easy as unclear. IDK why.

Anonymous

I liiiive

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Probably because there's no "trivial" close reason.

If you think there should be, propose it on meta.

We can add custom close reasons.

Anonymous

10:11 PM

^

At this moment in time, AppleScript is winning that challenge.

@AlexA. But that's not a close reason. That's what downvotes are for.

Anonymous

IMO there's nothing wrong with "trivial" challenges, so long as they haven't been asked before. That challenge is close enough to the main Hello World challenge that I'd call it a dupe.

@FlagAsSpam JS is one byte shorter.

10:12 PM

@ETHproductions Oh, damn, I missed it.

@FlagAsSpam No, JS.

Dreams gone forever. Bye bye, dreams! waves with tear in eye

@mınxomaτ That's why I said, "If you think there should be one." If you don't think there should be one, don't propose one. ;)

@FlagAsSpam Actually, you shouldn't have the comma.

orlp

is it just me

or do SO pages suddenly feel 'shifted' to the left?

10:14 PM

Okay, we all know what's going to happen now.

@orlp They increased the sidebar size

quintopia

so what do today?

orlp

@AlexA. just now?

Due to all these answers, HelloWorld error is going to get on HNQ and get a bajillion upvotes.

@orlp No, but recently.

@ThomasKwa Unless it's closed as a duplicate of the other Hello World challenge. Which IMO it probably should be. Writing to STDERR is a trivial difference.

10:15 PM

@AlexA. I don't think it's a dupe.

It's a challenge that should exist

It's just not a, y'know, challenging one

I don't agree but okay

@AlexA. I don't think so... in most languages printing to stderr is not exactly parallel to stdout.

Java is an exception.

Because Java.

I'm just an idiot @FlagAsSpam @ETHproductions sorry

@feersum [citation-needed] I think most mainstream languages can write to STDERR just as easily as they can to STDOUT.

10:18 PM

@AlexA. Obviously it's not difficult to do.

Anonymous

Let's see... In C, the solution is #include<stdio.h>\nmain(){fputs(1,"Hello, World!");}

But if standard hello world is good enough to be a question, this is too.

Anonymous

Whereas for STDOUT it's main(){puts("Hello, World!");}

Anonymous

Not substantially different

My point is that the task is not sufficiently distinct from Hello World to warrant a separate post.

@ThomasKwa The +4/-4 score might keep it from HNQ. I can't recall the "hotness" formula offhand. (It's really bizarre.)

Anonymous

10:21 PM

In Java, it's literally just s/out/err

Japt is ~~winning by a byte~~ tied for first! curse you Ruby

@ETHproductions Actually, no. I put a comma between my words, so we're tied. ;D

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A: HelloWorld error

AppleScript, 19 bytes error"Hello World!" ...pretty self-explanatory.

@ETHproductions I don't know if the Ruby actually works or not.

:27070507 Oh, damn.

Oh, thanks @Mego

10:25 PM

I'm gonna rep cap if I'm not careful. D:

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa Cheers

There's only an hour and a half until UTC midnight anyway

@AlexA. "only"

I've got 2/3rds of my rep today in about that time.

@FlagAsSpam From what?

10:26 PM

Ah

Anonymous

Gah, I can't ever remember the super nice transformation for [0,1] => [-1,1]

For those without the most recent user script updates:

@ETHproductions And you posted first.

Hey, Java, don't feel so bad. It's not like you're last.

@Mego For what?

10:29 PM

@Mego 2x-1?

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa In Python and Seriously

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oooh, so I would get the victory! That is, if Jelly doesn't spoil it with an 11-byte answer.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That would be it, I'm a dumb dumb

:D

@ETHproductions mehh

The question is still not unclear. If you cast a close vote, at least choose a somewhat reasonable option.

10:30 PM

Are there anti-close votes?

For the record, I casted as Dupe, not as unclear.

But it still shows unclear .

@FlagAsSpam Yeah, they're called "reopen votes."

@mınxomaτ It always shows everyone who voted to close, regardless of the reason.

It doesn't really make sense that there are not anti-close votes. You could be oscillating between closed and open forever.

@AlexA. It shows what the majority of votes had as a reason.

@Mego There's also x%-2|1 for the occasional odd case

10:33 PM

Winning!

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A: HelloWorld error

Japt, 17 bytes Currently winning! Let's hope Jelly doesn't pop in with an 11-byte answer... Ox`È*w'HÁM W?ld!' The ? should be the literal byte 8E. Test it online! (STDERR is found below the "Upload a file" line in red text.) How it works `È*w'HÁM W?ld!' // Decompress this string. Return...

@mınxomaτ Right, but lists everyone, regardless of the reason they put.

Dammit, it has a bunch of reopen votes. :/

Jelly cannot write to STDERR.

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@Mego In JS-like languages, you can do ||-1

@Dennis I'm sorry for your loss. secretly does happy dance

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@AlexA. I felt like I needed to mention that because the "unclear" is untrue and might confuse the author.

@Dennis WE FOUND ITS WEAKNESS.

10:35 PM

@Dennis Where do you print error messages?

@mınxomaτ Right

@AlexA. Jelly cannot write custom strings to STDERR.

Oh gotcha

Why is that getting starred? o_O

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You guys are forgetting the "yet"

And how is write Hello World! to STDERR unclear what you're asking? o_O

GamrCorps

10:36 PM

^

It isn't

^^

It's unclear because people keep adding commas after Hello? :D

(not really)

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Why does the leaderboard in the userscript say "Show Answer Leadboard"?

Well, now that it gets probably reopened, it can be closed for the right reason evil laughter.

10:38 PM

I just reopened it. What reason would that be?

And more importantly, why has no one noticed it in the few weeks that we've already had the userscript?

I was kidding.

@Dennis Duplicate of Hello World

Anonymous

Did it get closed as unclear rather than dupe?

Anonymous

That's silly

Anonymous

10:39 PM

It's good to be back

@AlexA. Seriously? 90 something % of the languages in HW cannot even write to STDERR, I think.

@Mego It got closed as 3/5 unlear (what?) and 2/5 dupe.

^^

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ I vote to close the close reason as unclear why it's being closed :P

@Dennis I don't see why that matters.

10:40 PM

^

Anonymous

@Dennis For the languages that can, it's a trivial transformation

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

It's the Close/Reopen Wars all over again...

New Sandboxed Posts

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Roll Dice code-golf ascii-art Most of the time in PPCG, challenges that involve dice rolling normally focus on some numeric property. However all I want you to do is to actually display the dice themselves in an isometric 3D format. Most of the input is optional. Given no input at all, or inva...

Anonymous

Oh that reminds me

@ETHproductions Many of the close votes can't be re-casted for some time.

Anonymous

10:41 PM

I have a challenge to sandbox

Anonymous

IMO if a question gets closed for one reason and then reopened, the close votes that had a different close reason should remain

Anonymous

(unless the Q was edited of course)

Q: Why can't we vote to close a question after the original vote was retracted?

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This probably has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it. What is the reason for being able to close a question only once? What I mean is that you can cast a vote again after you retracted your close vote. My guess is that this should prevent some abusive behavior, however, being able to...

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ I understand the rationale, but that doesn't mean I agree with it

I don't either.

Anonymous

10:44 PM

Man the site looks so nice with the userscript

Anonymous

I've been stuck on mobile for the last week and it made me a sad penguin

^^

I love the user script so much.

feature-request feature it on meta for being amazing.

Question: If an interpreter is published before the challenge, but the language is only named after the challenge, is the submission valid?

where is the link, again?

@ThomasKwa Under what name would it have been published?

10:46 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ github.com/vihanb/PPCG-Design

danke

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet

@AlexA. Does that matter?

omg ees beautfiul

@ThomasKwa I don't know, but you could just list the submission with the name under which it was originally published, then there would be no ambiguity.

Anonymous

10:47 PM

Maaan

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Naan

Anonymous

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Language Guessing code-challenge parsing (Inspired by What's the Language?) According to the first Google result, the most popular programming languages are: Java C++ C# Python PHP (For our purposes, C and C++ will both be treated as C++, though the test cases may include C source code an...

Anonymous

I was halfway through writing up a similar (but better, IMO) challenge when I saw this

@AlexA. Not an actual number?