The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

20:00

@RikerW No

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Superscript minus, then superscript 1

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Thanks

I'm working on a TI-BASIC char map

Alex A.

@Rainbolt ಠ_ಠ

Rainbolt

You've never have known I said that if the community didn't star it.

Blame them

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

But the community is right

Alex A.

20:06

@Rainbolt How did you know that I rarely read the transcript?

Rainbolt

I assume everyone is like me until told otherwise

Alex A.

Fair

Rainbolt

I guess that's technically stereotyping. I assume everyone acts like a Rainbolt.

Alex A.

Racist

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah--not all of us are cubist!

:P

Alex A.

20:12

Oh I just got that

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yeah, bad pun, best to move along

Alex A.

purging pun from memory... done.

Rainbolt

I just tried to look up the difference between racism and stereotyping and could not understand the explanations I found at all

This one says "Racism is illegal; stereotyping is not punishable by law though it has severe consequences.

Read more: Difference Between Racism and Stereotyping | Difference Between | Racism vs Stereotyping http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/culture-miscellaneous/difference-between-racism-and-stereotyping/#ixzz3y0RgJui7"

Whoah

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

lel

Rainbolt

They hijacked my clipboard

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:14

simple.wikipedia.com

@Rainbolt Yep! That means you don't use IE.

Rainbolt

That's really not cool

I could have posted links to porn in here and been suspended

Alex A.

I had the pleasure of introducing a college English professor to Simple English Wikipedia once.

mınxomaτ

@NathanMerrill I finished all 11 test files and the final result (geometric mean of all compression ratios) is 5.608. Brotli (Level 11) is 4.347. LZMA (Level 9) is 4.240.

Rainbolt

Or maybe praised. I dunno how you guys would react

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Rainbolt If you have a sane browser, you can disable clipboard hijacking.

Rainbolt

20:16

I use Chrome. Is that a sane browser?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

No.

New Main Posts

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Q: The Farmer, Goat, Fox, and Cabbage need to cross a river

A farmer wants to cross a river and take with him a wolf, a goat, and a cabbage. There is a boat that can fit the farmer plus either the wolf, the goat, or the cabbage. If the wolf and the goat are alone on one shore, the wolf will eat the goat. If the goat and the cabbage are alone on the shore,...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

But you can still probably do it.

TanMath

hey guys!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

hiya

Rainbolt

20:16

Hi Sin/CosMath

(You guys I made a Math joke. Haha!)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/

TanMath

Remember to vote for my challenge for Rookie of the Year!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I did! \o/

Tho really the voting system is flawed

TanMath

Thank you!

I appreciate it!

Nathan Merrill

all you complainers about the voting system

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:18

People will up-comment senior member's stuff and will practically ignore the other stuff. And people can up-comment multiple things

@NathanMerrill Only for the elections!

Rainbolt

You think Rookie of the Year will be won by a senior member?

Nathan Merrill

The multiple upvotes is a good thing

TimmyD

Multiple upvotes are good...

TanMath

@Rainbolt obviously!

TimmyD

Ninjago'd

Nathan Merrill

20:20

:P

TanMath

Dennis might win it!

Rainbolt

And for the other categories, I'd expect senior members to just be better at PPCG than the others. They've been here longer.

Nathan Merrill

which rookie joined the earliest?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Rainbolt On other stuff.

@NathanMerrill Probably me, but I'm not on the list.

@Rainbolt True, but it's impossible to rule out whether or not its that, or merely bias.

Rainbolt

What kind of voting system are you imagining that would eliminate bias towards the author of the content? Hiding the author?

Alex A.

20:22

^

Rainbolt

Are we doing ^ because we stopped doing stars as "I agree"?

Nathan Merrill

^

Alex A.

Pretty much

Even if the author isn't listed, you can trivially figure out the author.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Rainbolt I'm not imagining a new one. I'm just saying the old one is flawed.

TimmyD

Yeah, it's almost like Jack Nicholson doesn't get Oscar nominations because he's in a lot of movies ... oh wait.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:24

who thought I was suggesting a new one? o_o

Nathan Merrill

what does starring an "^" even mean? Are you approving the "^", or approving the message that's being "^"ed?

Rainbolt

I don't think author bias is a flaw. This is a popularity contest, and some authors are more popular than others.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@NathanMerrill You find it funny that the author is using ^

Rainbolt

@NathanMerrill Starring a ^ means "I find his agreement interesting for the transcript."

RikerW

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:25

@Rainbolt Since when was it a popularity contest? No one tells me these things.

Probably because I'm in that corner too often

Alex A.

All voting is literally a popularity contest since the most popular choice wins.

Rainbolt

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Nobody tells you these things. It's something you figure out in high school.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

FML

High school sux

RikerW

^

Dennis

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Life is a popularity contest.

Rainbolt

20:26

When they vote for class president, you eventually realize that the guy who wins is not the most capable of handling political affairs for your class. He's just the quarterback.

TanMath

Stars mean "it is interesting"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

FMLFMLFMLFML bai

Alex A.

Jan 18 at 3:35, by Alex A.

Life is a popularity contest and it ends when you die.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

can't say a goddamn opinion without being corrected

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ bye?

TimmyD

20:27

> When they vote for ~~class~~ president, you eventually realize that the guy who wins is not the most capable of handling political affairs for your ~~class~~ country. He's just the ~~quarterback~~ most popular.

FTFY

Nathan Merrill

@TimmyD no, that's why we don't have a pure democratic system

(in the US)

Adnan

@MartinBüttner Okay, but how will I test languages which I don't have, like Mathematica and Matlab

TimmyD

Yeah, yeah, representative republic. Still a popularity contest.

RikerW

Random act of annoyingness:

reddit.com/r/goodartvsmspaint

TanMath

@Adnan you don't!

RikerW

20:29

Uh, no.

TanMath

@RikerW blah

Nathan Merrill

@Adnan I tend to upvote answers I find interesting, regardless if I've tested it or not

Alex A.

@Adnan You can ask folks who do have those to verify the solutions for you, or you could try a Matlab solution in Octave (though that isn't always reliable).

Nathan Merrill

the caution is against serial upvoting

RikerW

@TanMath Yeah, what?

Rainbolt

20:29

@RikerW Lmao. lurk skurwurkler

TanMath

@RikerW blah

RikerW

@Rainbolt I know.

@TanMath Stop please.

TanMath

> Please ping me for absolutely no reason. No seriously, do it.

RikerW

Oh, yeah that.

Adnan

@NathanMerrill I always upvote answers which look good. I just almost never test the answers, because I'm very lazy

RikerW

20:30

I dislike the blah part though.

TanMath

why not?

RikerW

Maybe random reddit links?

TanMath

but they aren't links!

plus, I don't use reddit!

RikerW

As you can see, I am procrastinating about my report on how computers help humanity.

@TanMath That doesn't make a difference.

You can still waste time there.

TanMath

@RikerW I know!

Adnan

20:31

@AlexA. Hmmm, okay

Rainbolt

@RikerW Did you choose that topic?

Alex A.

Short answer: They don't. Computers are a hindrance to human development and we should all live in the woods.

TanMath

Wasting time...

RikerW

@Rainbolt Either that or sex ed.

TanMath

@AlexA. agreed!

RikerW

20:32

@AlexA. My report in short.

Rainbolt

@RikerW I'd have snapped up sex ed so fast

RikerW

Got rejected.

@Rainbolt lol

Alex A.

@Rainbolt hahaha

TanMath

lol

Alex A.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

RikerW

20:32

Trust me, not with our teacher.

Adnan

@AlexA. But I think that will be very annoying at some point, constantly asking if it's valid or not

Rainbolt

Do you have to speak on your report, or just turn it in?

RikerW

Both.

Alex A.

@Adnan Yes, I agree, I'm just not sure how else to do it. I think there is a way to use Mathematica for free, I just can't recall what it is.

TanMath

@RikerW ask @Geobits, our resident evil AI...

RikerW

20:33

About 80% have to present it.

Alex A.

Btw, I was kidding about computers being a hindrance to humanity...

RikerW

@TanMath So @ಠ_ಠ is @Geobits's sock?

Cyoce

New permalink system!

Alex A.

No

TanMath

@Cyoce ????

RikerW

20:34

^

Rainbolt

You had the option of presenting sex ed or the importance of computers to your peers and you chose the option that only the geeks in your class might care about.

Cyoce

for my interpreter

RikerW

@Rainbolt Yes.

Cause trust me, the teacher is baaaaddddd.

TanMath

@RikerW no! @ಠ_ಠ is @AlexA.'s sock!

Cyoce

The code is converted to a hex dump, and every 3 digits of base16 is converted to 2 digits of base64

Alex A.

20:34

@TanMath No

RikerW

@TanMath Nah, that is @FaxMachine.

Adnan

@AlexA. I think that was some kind of trial version, but I'm not sure

TanMath

Who else gives ಠ_ಠ?

RikerW

Fax Machine, Your Office

131 8

code-golf sequence abstract-algebra combinatorics cops-and-robbers math

TanMath

@RikerW I know who @FaxMachine is!

RikerW

20:35

Yeah, @AlexA.

reddit.com/r/mesmerizinggifs

> It's pronounced gif, not gif.

4

lol

TanMath

rofl

@AlexA. why did you make @FaxMachine?

Rainbolt

Lol the profile description made me laugh

TanMath

> Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeee scrEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE weeeeoooooooooh

Alex A.

fax machine sound effects

►

TanMath

^

@AlexA. you ninja'd me...

Alex A.

20:41

Heh, I changed my GitHub profile picture and got a follower like 30 minutes later.

TanMath

so that's how you look like!

Adnan

Alex != Bird

Alex A.

It's a fairly old picture at this point, 2012-13, but basically yeah.

Adnan

Mind = Blown

Alex A.

I've since morphed into a bird.

TanMath

20:43

^^

@AlexA. come on! you messed up my carrot!

Adnan

Also, @MartinBüttner, your answer doesn't seem to work for the test case [[1 2 3 4 5]]

Alex A.

> Büttnerm

oh, you fixed it

Adnan

Why doesn't it ping him

TanMath

lol

Martin Büttner

damn, that used to work

Adnan

20:44

hahaha

TanMath

@MartinBüttner this pinged?

Martin Büttner

no.

Adnan

Oh wait

TanMath

@Adnan is it the comma?

PhiNotPi

Someone should make a golfing language that compiles to the JVM.

TanMath

20:45

@MartinBüttner weird...

^ does that ping?

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi Does that not already exist?

Adnan

@TanMath I have no idea

PhiNotPi

@AlexA. No idea.

TanMath

I think it would...

Alex A.

@Adnan, the comma shouldn't matter.

TimmyD

20:46

Oh, hah. I should've checked chat first. Sorry Martin.

TanMath

@AlexA. usually it does...try it on me!

Alex A.

@TanMath, comma

TanMath

it works...you win!

Alex A.

alex-is-win

Adnan

magpie

TanMath

20:47

alex-is-not-always-wrong

^ hope that makes you feel better...

When can I make tags?

Thomas Kwa

Jelly needs to mess with the depth for @Adnan's challenge. I think Pyth could actually win.

Alex A.

@TanMath When you're 45

2

TanMath

so, like 100,000 rep?

Adnan

@ThomasKwa I am actually really excited what the Jelly answer would be

TanMath

how were the previous tags made then???

Alex A.

20:49

By 45-year-olds

PhiNotPi

I haven't been able to find a JVM golfing language.

Alex A.

In a dungeon of pain

TanMath

I am talking about how much rep is needed...

Alex A.

Forged in the dark, golfy depths

TanMath

if you didn't figure that out already...

Alex A.

20:50

Look at the privileges page

TimmyD

> One language to rule them all...

TanMath

I can already create new tags?

Alex A.

Yeah I think it's 1k

Adnan

You can, but you shouldn't

Alex A.

At least not without consulting meta first

TanMath

20:52

@AlexA. no! it is 150 rep!

Alex A.

Oh, okay

Maybe it's 1k on graduated sites then, idk.

TanMath

but at 1k I can edit without needing approval...

Alex A.

Maybe that's what I'm thinking of

TanMath

i edited...

I feel a new genre of questions can be made that try to make you happy...

Alex A.

What did you edit?

TanMath

20:58

@AlexA. check the active questions!

Adnan

lol

Alex A.

Please do not abuse the tag system like that.

TanMath

no, I am serious, there might be a new topic of code golf questions like that...

Adnan

I think that jokes should be kept inside the walls of The Nineteenth Byte, and everything else should be done serious

Alex A.

^

Dennis

21:00

@Adnan Does the order of the bounced arrays matter?

Adnan

@Dennis Nope

TanMath

Like there could be a challenge that checks if alex is present, print "alex is right", else print "alex is wrong"

you know what?

let's have a challenge like that...

Alex A.

@TanMath If you'd like to propose a new tag, I suggest you take it to meta.

quintopia

@zyabin101 will it have DONT/WHILE loops?

TanMath

@AlexA. how do you that?

Alex A.

21:01

Post a meta question asking for feedback on whether the community wants such a tag.

TanMath

ok...

Alex A.

as was done for the OEIS tag which was deemed unnecessary

TimmyD

Make sure you read and understand this post, first

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Q: Tagging: are we doing it wrong?

I wanted to post this for a while... First off, I think that we're not tagging enough. Currently, we have an average of 2.1 tags per question. I've checked some (thematically) comparable sites, and Stack Overflow, Code Review and Programmers all have between 2.6 and 3 tags on average. Tags are a...

discussion policy tags

TanMath

Well, anyway, just for your feedback, here is the challenge I propose:
The input is a list of 1 and 0s. 1 means Alex is here. 0 means Alex is not here. If Alex is here, print "Alex is right". Else, print "Alex is wrong". If there are more than 4 consecutive times in the list that Alex is here (5 or more consecutive 1's in the input), print "Alex is so right!", and the next 0, print "Alex is so wrong!".

So you have to print something for each item in the list.

TimmyD

@Adnan Your bouncing array challenge is surprisingly difficult. Admittedly, I'm attempting in PowerShell, which is ... poor ... at array manipulation, but still -- excellent challenge.

Nathan Merrill

21:10

@AlexA. much to my chagrin :(

TanMath

so?

(I hate when this place is slow!)

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Personally, I think the sequence tag covers such cases sufficiently.

Nathan Merrill

I know. the arguments were solid

Alex A.

I'm glad you brought it up though. It's always good to have those kinds of discussions.

Adnan

@TimmyD Yeah, I also have no idea on how I should do this

But I would love to see a PowerShell answer :p

TanMath

21:15

my idea is bad?

quartata

21:26

I swear no matter how hard I try I can't get past the Trinidad Scorpion pepper on the Scoville Google Doodle

Oct 22 '15 at 16:36, by Dennis

Also, if you actually create alex-is-right and alex-is-wrong on main, Doorknob may slap you with a large trout.

Jul 6 '15 at 23:10, by Doorknob

Also if you make overhanded a thing I'll whack everyone involved with a large trout

Don't even mess with tags.

Doorknob

quartata

Alex A.

<><

2

TanMath

@Doorknob slap

TimmyD

@TanMath It seems rather trivial. Here's an extremely off-the-cuff PowerShell answer that I haven't validated, but should work ...

param($a)$a|%{if($_){if(++$d-gt4){"Alex is so right!"}else{"Alex is right"}else{if($d-ge5){"Alex is so wrong!";$d=0}else{"Alex is wrong";$d=0}}}

TanMath

21:29

@TimmyD so? easy is nice? isn't it?

TimmyD

Simple is nice. Trivial is not.

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TanMath

how can I make it simple?

trivial to simple please?

TimmyD

Like Adnan's bouncing array challenge. It's simple, but it's certainly not trivial.

TanMath

It isn't simple!

Cyoce

Anyone know how to have inline markdown with a space starting it?

Nathan Merrill

21:30

"Easy to understand" vs "easy to code"

Cyoce

` code` doesn't work

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill That's probably a better way to put it.

Alex A.

@Cyoce Try three backticks maybe? ``` hmm```

nope

\ hmm

TanMath

How can I make the challenge better then?

Doorknob

@NathanMerrill "Easy to code" is usually fine. "Only one obvious reasonable way to code," though... that's boring.

Alex A.

21:31

^

TanMath

new challenge gone...

Nathan Merrill

@Doorknob well, they aren't off topic, but I'd certainly think the site would be better with fewer "easy to code" challenges

TanMath

I would have called it "Backbiting Alex"

BTW,

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Natural language Computer Algebra System code-golf Still in the works and need to add more detail Background You are working at Wolfram Alpha, when a big fire occurs, wiping out much of the hardware infrastructure, losing much of the code. Now you are assigned to the natural language team wo...

Nathan Merrill

mostly because they are "who has the best built-in/compression"

quintopia

@quartata i got it second try

TanMath

21:35

how is that challenge???

Alex A.

I think "computer algebra system" is a misnomer in this case

It's more of a calculator

TanMath

ok...

I originally had that because I had integration and differentiation...

quartata

Why does Meta chat have its own domain

It bothers me that I can't access Meta Tavern from the list of rooms I'm in on the side

TanMath

@AlexA. anything else?

El'endia Starman

@quartata I........uh....beat it first try.

That's actually the last pepper, even.

quartata

21:39

@El'endiaStarman :/

Alex A.

rekt

quartata

All the other peppers are pretty easy but I can't get that one.

TanMath

it isn't that hard...

quartata

Oh hey the voting for Best of PPCG started

Alex A.

Yes

quartata

21:44

Why isn't Jelly winning the most promising golfing lang

Alex A.

Everyone's salty about the voting system for some reason

quartata

I think it works OK.

Alex A.

Me too

quartata

A Unicorn interpreter in Unicorn! (suggestions for name here appreciated) — OldBunny2800 39 mins ago

except for when this happens

Unicorn isn't even a golfing lang

...

Adnan

lol

quartata

21:45

> This comment has been deleted and cannot be flagged

wow that was fast

Alex A.

Yes

Kevin W.

@quartata Every lang is a golfing lang if you try hard enough (except Java)

quartata

You haven't seen Unicorn then.

Alex A.

@quartata All comments are intended to be the submissions to vote on, so I nuked that one ASAP.

quartata

It's not nearly as nasty as Unary/Lenguage but the multi-byte chars certainly makes it pretty nasty.

Alex A.

21:47

Yes. Nasty. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

quartata

How was that a Lenny Face moment

Cyoce

ಠ_ಠ

quartata

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Q: A centrallised (multi-site) community-controlled globbing blacklist

Moderator from Ask Ubuntu here. Anybody else sick and tired of spam? We've had a lot this morning. We've been through dozens of spam waves over the years but also several rounds of "improvements" to the automated systems. I love you guys but they just don't seem to be working. I find three thi...

feature-request spam

Alex A.

Any moment can be a Lenny face moment if you make it one.

TanMath

Remember to vote for my challenge!

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A: Cast your vote for "Best of PPCG 2015"!

Rookie of the Year (challenge) Best challenge by a user who had not posted a challenge before 2015. Nominations: I'm not the language you're looking for! by MuddyFish Nominated by GamrCorps This is one of the coolest challenges that I've seen on the site. It encouraged users to think out...

quartata

21:48

After several hours in Charcoal HQ I can confirm AskUbuntu gets a lot of spam

Cyoce

@AlexA. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

quartata

upvote that question so that we can get se senpai to do something

TimmyD

Wow, Peter and Martin are neck-and-neck on the "Above and Beyond" category.

quartata

wtf why is Truth Machine winning

Alex A.

@quartata SpamUbuntu.SE

@Cyoce That's the idea

quartata

21:49

I guess I shouldn't complain

TanMath

if you do not want it to win, please vote for mine!

Alex A.

People will vote how they want to vote.

El'endia Starman

Please don't beg for votes.

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TanMath

It is a vote appeal...is it wrong to do so?

I kinda meant it as a joke too...

deep in my heart, I know I will lose...

El'endia Starman

It's pretty tacky in this case because this is a Best Of PPCG "competition".

Alex A.

21:53

@quartata Because it has a golden toupe and wants to make America great again

quartata

The Trump Machine

Alex A.

lel

TanMath

lal

Doorknob

lil

TanMath

lul

babam!

Alex A.

21:57

Daler Mehndi - Tunak Tunak Tun Video

►

TimmyD

Ah, Tunak Tunak Tun.

That brings me back a decade.

TanMath

@AlexA. ????

Alex A.

@TimmyD I just love how genuinely happy he looks throughout the video.

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