The Nineteenth Byte

Geobits

16:03

Way to make people jealous ;)

Beta Decay

Haha wow. Is there anywhere you can buy swag?

I see there used to be a place

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Q: What happened to the Stack Exchange Store?

There used to be a place where you could buy Stack Exchange branded gear, what happened to it?

Optimizer

@ChrisJester-Young for ..free?

Chris Jester-Young

@Optimizer No, Alex will have to pay 6000 rep for it. :-P :-P :-P

Geobits

People getting swag just by asking devalues the swag I won in contests :P

Optimizer

@ChrisJester-Young fine by me

Beta Decay

16:14

Is it possible to have minus rep?

Optimizer

@BetaDecay Once you get the swag, it is.

Chris Jester-Young

I'm sure the swag you can get from contests is unique, right? I hope it is. Otherwise, others being able to buy it or whatever would indeed devalue it.

Beta Decay

@Optimizer Though once you have swag, who needs rep?

Optimizer

@BetaDecay exactly

Geobits

I dunno, I got a SO branded t-shirt, mug, and stickers. I've seen them before, so I assume not unique.

Alex A.

16:17

Well, now I feel kind of bad for being eligible just by asking, but not bad enough to not want the swag.

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@ChrisJester-Young Done. Thanks again!

Geobits

"but not bad enough to not want the swag" <- truth

Alex A.

Truth indeed, my friend. Truth indeed.

Geobits

I wrote a terrible poem to get mine. There is no shame when swag is involved.

Alex A.

"There is no shame when swag is involved." <- truth

Chris Jester-Young

/me does not mention all the employee swag I get. ;-)

Optimizer

16:19

so is it really for free ?

Chris Jester-Young

@Optimizer Well, you have to write a poem, see what Geobits said? :-P Lol.

Optimizer

sky is blue. give me swag.

Geobits

To see the sort of desperation I went through, here's mine. (see OP for rules)

Alex A.

Stack Exchange is a / Magical place for code golf / Now give me some swag

^ a haiku for the ages

Doorknob

Here is my work of art that I got swag from :P

Geobits

16:22

I also got some for a haiku, but that's neither here nor there. Well, technically it's there.

Alex A.

It's certainly not here.

@Doorknob This made me literally lol.

Optimizer

@Geobits your name is not in winners list though

Geobits

Oh, I changed it to Generic Holiday Name for Winterbash that year.

Optimizer

oh, the post should also say it..

SirDarius

Hi guys, I'm working on a new KOTH / Code golf hybrid type of challenge, and I need a bit of input :)

Alex A.

16:25

@SirDarius Is it in the Sandbox?

SirDarius

not yet, I need to write the controller code first

Geobits

Something about koth/golf hybrid makes my insides twitch.

Alex A.

@Geobits That might just be gas.

SirDarius

github.com/noirotm/tower-of-code

Chris Jester-Young

@Doorknob Very nice. :-)

SirDarius

16:27

that's the first draft, enjoy

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. A very blunt poem, if I may say so. ;-)

Optimizer

wow, just wow.

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Q: A code golf challenge, m'kay

Mr. Mackey is a South Park character well-known for adding "m'kay" in everything he says. Write a program or function that transforms a string of text into something Mr. Mackey would say. M'kay placement m'kay has a random 50% chance of being added after the punctuations ,, ., ? and !. If t...

code-golf string

SirDarius

so my main concern about "TOC" is whether the tests might too hard, especially the later ones

Alex A.

@Optimizer When job hunting, as soon as I see the word "Excel" in a job description, I immediately move on.

Geobits

16:35

I'm not sure I understand what makes it koth-like at all. If I'm reading it right, there's no interaction between bots.

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. Yeah, don't put Excel in your resume either. ;-)

SirDarius

@Geobits all the bots share a single JS engine, with functions and variables that can be read and written by anyone

Alex A.

@ChrisJester-Young I wouldn't dare. :P

Geobits

I also don't really get the energy thing. You just wait until you have enough to do the output, right? How is that different (in terms of golf) than just counting the length?

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. I mean, if you worked on the Excel product, like Joel Spolsky did back in the 90s, then yes, you can mentioned that. :-P

Geobits

16:37

@SirDarius Oh. That's not made clear at all in your link IMO.

SirDarius

that's kind of my second concern :)

I don't want to tell people straight-on "try to sabotage other people's variables"

Optimizer

So is it really bad that I created an automated structural pile foundation calculator? With a precise foundation plan output to CAD?

SirDarius

but that's missing from the 'tips' section

Geobits

@SirDarius Well, considering there's a defaultish-standard rule against it, I think it needs to be made clear if that's an intended mechanic.

Alex A.

@Optimizer Uh, why is that bad? That sounds awesome.

Optimizer

16:39

it was purely in Excel

;)

Chris Jester-Young

Hahaha, best punchline ever.

Doorknob

That still sounds Excel-lent.

Geobits

@Doorknob That pun is low-hanging fruit. Should have gone for something really bad like Office-ial.

Optimizer

Office-ial*

SirDarius

and you'd better mark his Word-s !

Doorknob

16:42

@Geobits I think you have a good Outlook on puns.

Chris Jester-Young

and not stick your tongue into a PowerPoint. :-P

Geobits

Umm.. Access isn't very punny. It's just a word :(

Alex A.

@Optimizer I revoke my earlier statement.

Doorknob

@Geobits Yes, but you have to learn to Access the pun potential inside of it!

Chris Jester-Young

@Geobits Unless you're trying to access a file you don't have Access to, then you get EACCES.

Geobits

16:43

I believe you mean puntential.

Alex A.

That's the whole PowerPoint of it.

Geobits

Ok, Ok, I've heard an Access of Access puns now, thank you :P

Chris Jester-Young

(And remember kids, EACCES is "Permission denied", not to be confused with EPERM, which is "Operation not permitted". #unixprogramming101 :-P)

Geobits

One day I slipped in some Paint. Had to Gimp around the Lightroom in my Photoshop for days...

(I'm so sorry for that)

Alex A.

@ChrisJester-Young Expecting an onslaught of Unix puns now...

Doorknob

16:47

@AlexA. That would be SIGALRMing.

Alex A.

I want to bash(1) my head in.

Chris Jester-Young

@Geobits The puns, they kill(2) me.

Doorknob

Man.

SirDarius

@Geobits I added a tip explaining that bot interaction is encouraged :)

Alex A.

Did I spell "bash" incorrectly, @Doorknob?

Chris Jester-Young

16:49

@Doorknob I believe you meant man(1).

@AlexA. No, I added a Unix manual section number to it. :-P

Alex A.

Oh perfect, thanks, now I can look it up in the manual.

Doorknob

@AlexA. No, you were missing the section number, like @ChrisJester-Young sed(1).

Geobits

Ran across this just now:

Umm. No?

Optimizer

killall -9

sudo killall -9

Geobits

If you click continue with it blank, it even says You forgot to enter an email address in red. No, I really didn't forget it.

Doorknob

16:53

@Optimizer You have to specify something to kill.

@Geobits [email protected]

Chris Jester-Young

@Doorknob killall -9 -1

Alex A.

apt-get outta here.

Doorknob

@ChrisJester-Young Just killall5 should work also.

Geobits

@Doorknob If I really wanted to read it I'd give them an address of someone I'd like to troll. Gateways like that make me much less interested in what they have to say, though.

Chris Jester-Young

@Doorknob Nice.

Optimizer

16:55

sudo killall5

Alex A.

@Geobits It sounds a little better than You seem to have deliberately omitted your email address. We want to sell your information to third parties so we won't let you proceed until you provide it.

Chris Jester-Young

@Geobits Yeah, regwalls are annoying. Protip: You can bypass the Quora regwall by adding a share=1 parameter.

Optimizer

did all of you die ?

trichoplax

I haven't died yet

Alex A.

@Optimizer No, I apt-got out of the way.

Geobits

16:55

Can confirm I am dead. Cannot confirm for others.

SirDarius

no we do sleep(3) though

Alex A.

I'm dead inside. Does that count?

Optimizer

Can everyone please confirm that they are dead?

Alex A.

Y

Doorknob

yes(1)

Geobits

16:56

Are you asking if they can confirm, or asking them to confirm?

Chris Jester-Young

false(1)

Alex A.

yooniks. is doing rite?

Optimizer

you nicks sucks

Geobits

This reminds me of seeing Windoze and Winblows in random comment sections. Someone say M$, quick!

Of course, Crapple is welcome as well.

Alex A.

M$, quick!

Doorknob

17:01

echo '0 4d240a' | xxd -r

Optimizer

kikihkjhlk

Chris Jester-Young

@Doorknob Speaking of which, syscall number 9 in MS-DOS used $-terminated strings. So you'll often see lots of $ symbols in .com files.

But because of that, I was very, very well acquainted with the value of 0x24 in ASCII.

Optimizer

17:57

Whom should I send my address for the promised swag?

Beta Decay

The post office is the usual place

Geobits

The TimPost office would be even better.

Alex A.

I thoroughly dislike South Park, but the draw of the golf was too strong for me to avoid participating in the recent South Park themed challenge. u_u

If you send Tim Post some llama hair, he might knit it into a Stack Exchange sweater for you.

Geobits

^needs less "might"

Optimizer

that's kind of cannibalism.. I suppose

Alex A.

18:00

@Geobits Well, he could just be like, "wtf who sent me llama hair" and throw it out. Could go either way.

@Optimizer No one said anything about llamas eating llamas, though it is a llama eat llama world...

Optimizer

no it isn't

we are not birds

Geobits

@Optimizer No worse than a hat made out of fingernails, right?

Alex A.

Good lord

Beta Decay

I think the correct term is llama wool

Optimizer

stop ripping my clothes off with your eyes you pervs!

Alex A.

18:03

I believe you mean ripping your wool off with our eyes.

Geobits

Hush, you've still got your scarf.

Beta Decay

I want to see more than just your head

Maybe a family photo or something

Optimizer

llamas dont family

Geobits

Much like terminators.

Alex A.

Llama selfie:

Optimizer

18:05

Did you.... hack my phone?

Alex A.

"Me with my llama family. Love them. #soblessed"

Beta Decay

You're pretty handsome

I mean these nostils ;)

Optimizer

Are you falling for me ?

Beta Decay

Maybe... ;)

Optimizer

you can fall on me too

Beta Decay

18:06

The wool will make you bouncy

Pietu1998

Today, I decided I'd make a Sudoku solver in Python. pastebin.com/GZgpHPfG

Beta Decay

Well that's just blatant cheating

Geobits

What, using python?

Alex A.

Just as it was getting increasingly uncomfortable, Pietu came in and saved us.

Pietu1998

@AlexA. You're welcome.

Beta Decay

18:10

@Geobits No, it's cheating to make sudoku solver

Alex A.

Programming a sudoku solver is the only way to make sudoku fun.

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Pietu1998

@BetaDecay All right, tell me when you're finished with this one

Geobits

I'm finished with it already. It's not filled in, but I'm definitely done with it.

Beta Decay

I dunno. Sudoku is just a load numbers and boxes. Only sadists like to do them

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phase

@Optimizer Why wouldn't this return the same string, since it's in base 128? o-lang.herokuapp.com/link/… I don't know if it's me, my code, or my other code. The first line converts the string from 128 to 345, then the second line converts it back to 128. Shouldn't they be the same since it's 128?

Beta Decay

18:14

@Pietu1998 Does it return the image with the boxes filled in? Because that would be pretty cool

Optimizer

umm, can you give me a cjam equi ?

phase

how would I do 128 in CJam?

Pietu1998

@BetaDecay Nope, it uses text I/O with no cell separators and newline row separators, and blanks are put in as zeros.

Beta Decay

Well you've got a new challenge ;)

Pietu1998

It's quite fast though, solves what is apparently the world's hardest sudoku in a couple hundred ms

Optimizer

18:16

@phase 128

Alex A.

(On an unrelated note, just hit 7k rep. Woot woot.)

Beta Decay

@AlexA. I thought you'd only started PPCG a few months ago so was amazed when I saw you had over 6k

Optimizer

you mean future 1K

Alex A.

@BetaDecay Haha no, according to my profile I've been here 1 year, 3 months.

I spent most of that time with 101 rep though.

Optimizer

that is rep 101

Beta Decay

18:19

@AlexA. That's good. I thought I was just absolutely terrible at gathering rep

phase

@Optimizer something like this? cjam.aditsu.net/…

Optimizer

cjam.aditsu.net/…

works for me ..

Alex A.

@BetaDecay Optimizer has been here only 10 months and has over 20k.

Optimizer

the quickest in recent times is Sp3000 though

overall - Martin

phase

@Optimizer Then my algorithm is off somewhere....

Optimizer

18:21

yeah

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Beta Decay

Maybe I am terrible :O

Although I did leave for three or so months

Optimizer

why will someone star that ? If you want, you could star this instead..

seriously?

you all are such kids!

Geobits

@BetaDecay Your avatar would imply that yes, you are terrible at gaining rep. Much like mine kinda implies I lose a bunch to downvotes.

Optimizer

@Geobits as per that logic, I lose a bunch to llamas?

Beta Decay

Yeah. I think it might be a bad omen :|

Geobits

18:25

I don't see a llama/rep connection. Downvoting (answers at least) directly costs me rep.

Optimizer

what are you saying?? llamas are connected to everything.

Winny

YES

Geobits

Wow, such passion for llama-connecting.

Winny

llama life!

Geobits

Are you connected by wool ropes or something?

Beta Decay

18:27

I think it's more of a psychic connection

Optimizer

@Geobits yes, right by our right hooves

Geobits

Better than being connected like this.

Beta Decay

Reminds of this:

Optimizer

@Geobits that's a llamadra. An urban legend.

Beta Decay

Baaa

►

Optimizer

18:32

You guys are into weird creepy stuff.

Winny

@BetaDecay Is this the Anti-Llama

Their friends, the Cow are also pretty cool youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY

Beta Decay

Cows are just ugly.

Optimizer

So are decaying particles

Alex A.

So are uglis.

Beta Decay

@Optimizer That's rather hurtful

Geobits

18:38

Not as hurtful as knowing you're a llama is.

He's just deflecting.

Optimizer

@Geobits Indeed, and even not as hurting as being an upside down triangle

trichoplax

Geobits isn't a triangle pointing North West??

Beta Decay

He has a blue circle to make up for his imperfctions

Geobits

Huh? Oh, that's just something I stole back in my stalker days.

Optimizer

@trichoplax @Geobits is a papparazi following kid celebrities ???

Beta Decay

18:42

With the internet it isn't hard to be a stalker these days. People's digital prescences are bloody massive

Geobits

Wasn't all that hard to be a stalker before, either. Tedious, sure, but following someone around and digging through their trash isn't very difficult.

Beta Decay

Off topic - Oh my God

Alex A.

@BetaDecay Nothing is off topic in The Nineteenth Byte.

(Except for Puzzling.)

trichoplax

You can say what you like here as long as you're not verbose

Beta Decay

@AlexA. I meant off the topic of stalking

Optimizer

18:47

and for verbose thing, just prefix it with Brain, you BrainF***er

Beta Decay

So would I be allowed Braindamn you guys? ;)

Alex A.

D**rknob

Doorknob

19:02

@[REDACTED] Well, I [REDACTED] but then [REDACTED], so [REDACTED].

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Geobits

@Alex A** What are those stars for? The count seems wrong for any appropriate words ;)

Optimizer

Dearknob?

Alex A.

Deerknob

Maltysen

@Geobits Just gave me an idea for a challenge

like list all words from dict that match a censor

Alex A.

This is the result from a Google search for "deerknob":

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Doorknob

19:13

@AlexA. That is fantastic :D

Geobits

@Maltysen Glad to be of assistance. Sounds like a pretty easy-to-regex task, though.

trichoplax

What if you can't simply display the results (they were censored for a reason) and you have to replace part of the word with a synonym?

Geobits

Like in buttistance or donkeyign?

trichoplax

I can't disassemble that

Oh wait

Maltysen

@Geobits good point, maybe censor a word such that the most possible letters are censored while remaining unique?

trichoplax

19:14

I can

Beta Decay

@Maltysen Basically like the text abbreviations challenge

Geobits

@trichoplax I bet you can disrearemble it, though.

trichoplax

My poor brain

Maltysen

But that one was the letters have to be in order, and can't be taken out from the middle. Is that enough not to be a dup?

Geobits

Hmm. I think "censor any (minimal) subset of letters" might be different enough.

Beta Decay

19:22

Yeah. Only thing is how offensive do you have the words?

Geobits

Though I think that many words can't be censored at all while keeping them unambiguous. No subset of letters removed from "shit" is uniquely "shit" that I can see.

Beta Decay

Is c**t to be in the dictionary?

Martin Büttner

you know, you don't actually need to censor (and include) offensive words for the challenge to work

Maltysen

how bout I make the dict as a list from stdin

Doorknob

Also keep in mind that

> There's no acceptable level of intentional offensiveness

- Shog

Alex A.

19:23

^^^

Geobits

True, but I think my last point is more general than that. You'd need to be careful with your test cases is all I'm saying.

trichoplax

Yes this applies even if the test cases are not actually offensive

Beta Decay

Oh yeah, test cases :O

Just take extracts from YouTube comments. Those have enough curse words to keep your program going for years

Geobits

Don't pick any video from 2012, though. They all include "Ron Paul 2012" for some reason.

I suspect it was a script ran by google to just insert it into whatever.

Maltysen

how's "Thorough and Specific Censor" as the title?

Beta Decay

19:27

I think you should censor the title

Geobits

^ this at a minimum

Beta Decay

Can you f**king censor this tw*ts?

Doorknob

Markdown fail.

2

:P

Geobits

I'd also not put f**king in the title, tbh.

Alex A.

@Geobits Ron P**** 2012

Geobits

19:30

You could also look at it as "poorly redacted" rather than censored, since each word can be uniquely identified.

Optimizer

@Doorknob next time I see a doorknob, I probably am gonna replace it with that..

Alex A.

A dear deer doorknob.

Beta Decay

Well my fellow programmers, it seems we have a plan

Geobits

A dour dear deer doorknob.

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Q: "Magic erase" part of an image

Goal Create a tool that loads an image and four coordinates on that image. The tool should try to erase the given part (rectangle constructed by the four coordinates) and save it to the same file. This is commonly called "magic erase". Rules You may use any algorithm that does the job, except...

code-golf image-processing

Geobits

19:35

I thought that was going to be a popcon until I scrolled down.

That might be interesting, but maybe still a bit too broad.

PhiNotPi

Shouldn't your comment say "objective enough"?

Geobits

It does :P

Originally it was "x is too subjective...". Incomplete rewrite ftw.

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Q: Create a working Stack

Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to create a stack that can do basic math operations. Explanation: Your stack must be able to do basic arithmetic (+-*/) and must support normal base 10 numbers (0123456879); numbers will only be one character long. Programming: You will load a progr...

code-golf arithmetic

Beta Decay

19:52

How do you recognise doge's face?

Isn't that what Google's AI is only just doing now?

Vioz-

You don't, he wants you to attempt to smooth over a rectangle of the image by pulling information from elsewhere

Beta Decay

Oh right. So it's like a clone brush?

Vioz-

Essentially

Beta Decay

That should be good as a pop con

Vioz-

Yeah, would be very cool

Beta Decay

19:59

I'd like to see his other test cases

Martin Büttner

@DigitalTrauma you can't award a bounty within the first 24 hours

Beta Decay

So many creepy images could be made

Geobits

Like my kid with his mouth missing :D

Alex A.

He looks like he's ready to downvote, just like his daddy.

Geobits

Jul 13 at 20:09, by Geobits

He does thumbs up/down videos on youtube, though, so I guess that counts.

Chat is getting repeat-y.

Alex A.

20:08

Welcome to my brain.

Beta Decay

Oh God. That would be scary

Peter Taylor

@AlexA. Actually, I think there's a level beyond: writing a program to evaluate the difficulty of a Sudoku. The obvious way to do it is a fold (reduce) over the graph of deductions, but that's not practical.

Beta Decay

@Geobits You made a kid?! I thought that was just the stuff of legends

Alex A.

@BetaDecay He didn't make his kid; he won him in an SE Meta contest.

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Beta Decay

Ohhhh I see. Did it come prebuilt or as an Airfix kit?

Alex A.

20:14

It? HE has a name. And he came prebuilt.

Beta Decay

I'm sorry, I'm not an expert on this kind of thing

Imagine having Geobits Jr. teamed up with Geobits Sr... no one would ever get any rep

Alex A.

@PeterTaylor I don't know what that means, so for me implementing that isn't practical at all, as it would require extensive research beforehand. ;)

@BetaDecay Geobits Jr. --> Geoqubits.

Geobits

@AlexA. He didn't come prebuilt at all. It was quite a bit of both fun and work producing him.

Alex A.

Spend an afternoon with a beer and some Ikea tools assembling a child...

Beta Decay

I bet there was a great feeling of accomplishment after completing the task

Geobits

20:21

It takes a bit more than a small, flimsy hex wrench for sure.

(TWSS)

Vioz-

Good thing I closed that quickly, didn't have sound muted :P

Beta Decay

I don't want to click on the link lest it's NSFW :/

Geobits

It's SFW in that it's not lewd or scandalous. It does have sound, so headphones or lower volume I guess. (It's a clip from The Office)

Digital Trauma

@MartinBüttner Yep, It's been a while since I last participated in a bounty

Beta Decay

@Geobits Oh I see. I thought it was a walkthrough of how to construct a child

Geobits

20:27

The show? If so, it's a terrible one. While a couple characters do end up pregnant, the process is never explicitly explained.

Beta Decay

Nah, you need to watch a David Attenborough documentary for that kind of debauchery

Pietu1998

Isn't s[ ... ) the best way to concatenate a bunch of strings in Pyth?

Optimizer

Wait, are we back to talking serious stuff already?

Pietu1998

No, but I'm still trying to golf

Optimizer

You must be looking for a different room. Nobody golfs here..

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Winny

20:32

:^)

Pietu1998

I've noticed that lately

Beta Decay

It's amazing how quickly the mood changes here

Winny

I never realized how much fun Golfing in Racket can be, despite being a horrible language for the task

Maybe it's because I don't know it very well

Alex A.

@Pietu1998 I've noticed that always.

I wonder if anyone here plays the kind of golf that requires going outside.

Vioz-

@Winny I very much despise Racket :P Was the language my first-year class used.

Winny

20:41

@Vioz- What university? I'm rather jealous. My first uni experience was in VB.net, however the prof didn't understand why List<T> is so much better than Collection or VB.net arrays, among other things

Vioz-

University of Waterloo :)

Thankfully the follow-up class moved to Python

Winny

@Vioz- I take it you're absolutely not a Lisper

Vioz-

Correct :P

Alex A.

@Winny What subject did you study where the programming language of choice was VB.NET?

Winny

it was one of the very first undergrad CS courses

it's not a bad language, provided the instructor is competent

Alex A.

20:45

Huh. I can't imagine learning CS for the first time in VB.

Did you get a degree in CS?

Vioz-

I can see why it would be chosen

Winny

VB.net is basically C#.net with a wordier syntax and missing a few shortcuts that cut down on boilerplate

Peter Taylor

@Winny You must be younger than me. .Net was in beta when I was at uni.

Winny

yeah most likely. Currently in undergrad school still, so no BA yet

or bs

whatever it is lol

Vioz-

Same here, starting second year in a month.

Winny

20:47

more-or-less the same

phase

@aditsu where's your base conversion? I think my algorithm is wrong, but I'm not sure where. The input string is not changing the output, only the to base.

Alex A.

@PeterTaylor So undergraduate studies in the early 2000s?

Winny

I spent a few years in other ventures, so I'm a little old for my academic career

Alex A.

@PeterTaylor You seem like the kind of fellow who would have a PhD in math. (Though probably maths would be more accurate.)

@Winny What did you do before returning to university to study CS?

Peter Taylor

@AlexA. I started in the 90s and finished in the early 2000s. And I do sometimes regret not having studied more maths. I did consider doing a PhD in CompSci, but in the end I decided that I'd rather go into the real world, so I just have an MA.

Winny

20:53

@AlexA. traveling some of the EU, working at a sbux (ew), and general trouble making :)

Alex A.

@Winny Sounds like a good time.

@PeterTaylor What did you get your MA in and what do you do now in the real world?

Winny

@AlexA. Always feels better 20/20 !

Peter Taylor

The MA isn't technically in anything, but I studied CompSci, worked mainly in the computer games industry for a few years, then mainly in web for a few, and now I'm in a company that does "serious games". Basically we make games for use in rehabilitation of people with neurological injuries or diseases.

Alex A.

That's really, really cool. A very noble endeavor.

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