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12:38 AM

Dragin Age practically for free, in a Humble Bundle: humblebundle.com/…

Dragon Age II for ca. €4,50.

1:21 AM

so @cerb... it's that time again, that time when I make a spreadsheet to determine the cheapest way to buy a new cell phone.

I tell ya, if ya don't make a spreadsheet it's easy to be confused into paying way more

Example. My current after-tax monthly cell phone bill is $45

I could buy a GS6-edge for $850

That would bring my 2-year expenditures to 2034.50

Or, I could get the GS6-edge on contract for only $350!

But because the plan is $90/month, that $500 savings turns into $2,565.10 over two years, which is actually a $500 loss

tchrist

@AndrewLeach I'll go back and make sure they fit.

Cerberus

1:48 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My God, you poor sod.

Do you want an Edge?

I have to admit it looks...interesting.

For once, Samsung got something right.

The fragile glass back and loss of replaceable battery and memory card is a shame, though.

Of course the front is even more fragile on the Edge...

Is there no way to lower your monthly bill, by the way?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus No, that's just an example.

Cerberus

My two-year grand total is €589, including the G2.

Oh, I see.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I have a nexus 4. I'm not scared of a glass back.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I could buy a really old phone, I guess

the G2 is the same, more or less, as the Nexus 4 right?

Cerberus

1:51 AM

The G2 is super. Better battery than an S6, presumably.

No.

It is a better Nexus 5.

Much better battery, knock code, better camera.

Perhaps some other improvements.

And it's dirt cheap now.

And I think it has slimmer bezels than the Nexus 5, so it's easier to reach the right side of the screen.

But, above all, it's what @Robusto and I have!

It will get Lollipop very soon, I think some versions already have it officially (Korean?).

ROM and Xposed support is excellent.

The Verizon version has wireless charging.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus see, that's annoying.

Even the Nexus 4 already has lolipop

Cerberus

Well, "even": the N4 was the 2st or second device to get it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

None of the phone companies here sell the LG G2 anymore

Cerberus

Aww.

Amazon.ca?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

maybe. Amazon.ca is crap

wow it's expensive on amazon.ca

Cerberus

1:56 AM

God, it is $500.

Why??

amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/…

It's $200 on .com.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ugh, there are multiple versions of the g2.

that means I first have to figure out which one I'd need

fucking cell phones!

where is Google with their project Ara?

Cerberus

I know!!

Wait, what—you have been converted? Hallelujah!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I never said it wouldn't be cool

Cerberus

By the way! My friend, who knows absolutely zero about phones, was actually talking about Ara! She said, I need a new phone, should I wait for the block phone?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I said it wouldn't be feasible

Cerberus

2:00 AM

Hehe.

Right, right.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus heh. no. It will never come.

Cerberus

Coolness trumps feasibility.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But look, she is an Average Consumer, and she is very much interested.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Sure, people WANT it

but it just won't work as well as people hope

Cerberus

So there is significant potential appeal for the average person. I think people predicted only techies would be interested.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It will have all the problems of buying cell phones combined with all the problems of buying hardware to build your own PC combined with doing all that for a Linux OS.

Cerberus

2:02 AM

It will be more like buying a preassembled PC, on Google Play.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

If so, then what would be the point of upgrading things?

If it's modular people need to be able to buy modules

Cerberus

Sure.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

the cell phone market has made a terrible mess of making modular things so far

only Apple has had any success

Cerberus

Yes, not much is modular.

Apple, modular??

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yes, you could get tons of addons for ipod/iphone

Cerberus

2:04 AM

One moment, let me put a larger memory card in my Iphone.

Oh...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

so, not exactly "modular", but "functioning ecosystem of third-party vendors"

I can't even buy CASES for my Nexus 4 anymore

Cerberus

There are also tons of accessories for Android phones.

I'm sure there are N4 cases on Ebay, and even Amazon...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There are some accessories. Many only work with a few models of phones.

@Cerberus come on. You have to admit that even for something as simple as cases, the Android market is a huge fragmented mess.

Only the top two or three current model phones have anything like widely-available accessories.

Cerberus

> 1-16 of 177,321 results for "nexus 4 case" (Amazon)

Tons of Android users happily buy cases for their phones. I'd say it is a very healthy market, except that I hate cases.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well, I hate cases too

but that's not relevant.

Cerberus

2:06 AM

I bought a pogo dock for my Gnex years after it came out.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There are some cases available easily when the phone launches, if it's a popular model.

@Cerberus That's a good example of something that almost nobody even knew was possible, let alone available, for any android phones.

yet it's common for iphone.

There's just not enough standardization between phone vendors for addon modules.

And Ara is planning to make addon internal modules.

Just look at how hard it is to get updated kernels onto older phones... device drivers just aren't available.

I predict that the Ara market will have tons of devices that only work with phones that shipped when the device did.

The drivers won't be open-source, and thus the devices will stop working once you update your kernel

and you'll have to update your kernel eventually.... because you bought a new device that only has drivers in later kernels. etc.

It's basically impossible to make a stable driver API because the Linux devs don't want it.

That is a huge impediment to Ara

I seriously wonder how they plan to work around that.

ugh, even the Galaxy S6 has like three variants

CDMA and two 3G/4G/LTE variants

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Let me get my Iphone pogo dock. Oh, wait...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus don't be obtuse. There are millions of iphone docks.

Every friggin hotel I've been to in the last 5 years has one next to the bed.

There are stereo systems that have built-in iphone docks.

Cerberus

There are also millions of micro-USB docks that work with any phone.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

My friend's CAR has an iphone dock.

Cerberus

2:15 AM

My friend's car doesn't.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus enh... sorta.

my car has a USB port that worked with my phone, until Android 4.0, and then it didnt' work with my phone anymore, because my phone was no longer a mass-storage device.

Cerberus

If a phone sells as well as an Iphone, and is equally expensive, there will be as many accessories.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Nah, even the Galaxy S family doesn't have nearly as many accessories.

And proper standards could drive the market

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That is unfortunate. Let's hope they standardize those things fast.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

like, where are the docks that have NFC and bluetooth so that you can put your phone on and it wirelessly charges your phone while activating the music?

Cerberus

2:17 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, a family is not a phone.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus My point is that Apple made a standard that they kept since the first ipod which allowed for a large ecosystem of vendors to sell stuff.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That would be nice. But you can just put an NFC sticker on your dock to get that...,

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

(okay, they have since broken it)

Cerberus

Sure, keeping a standard for a long time helps.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yeah, I could build my own dock

That is not the same thing though

Cerberus

2:18 AM

You should!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I should be able to just buy a dock that does that sort of thing.

Cerberus

I'm sure they exist for some phones...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

MAYBE wireless charging will become widespread in the next couple of years.

@Cerberus It should exist for ALL android phones.

Cerberus

amazon.com/s/…

I see a car dock that is compatible with many phones.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It should be sold with the phone. You buy a phone and the salesman offers you a wide choice of accessories that work with your current, past, and future phones.

Cerberus

2:20 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why? As long as it is available for the most popular phones, and you have one of those...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus because "the most popular phones" is a moving target

The Nexus 4 was moderately popular for a few months

I actually know a few people who have one! woo! unlike the Galaxy Nexus which was basically unknown

Robusto

@Cerberus Let me know how Lollipop goes for you. It absolutely slaughtered my battery life.

I am very unhappy with the upgrade.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not popular enough. Let's just take only the Galaxy S series and compare those with the Iphones.

@Robusto I will not install it soon.

@Robusto I have heard about similar problems with Lollipop on several devices. What you could try is erase the Cache partition.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus See, I don't want to just take the Galaxy S series. I don't plan to ever buy one. What good does it do me if that one phone has a reasonably healthy third-party ecosystem?

Robusto

@Cerberus They keep saying do a factory reset, but fuck that. If they can't make an upgrade that doesn't require me to wipe my phone, they can kiss my ass.

Cerberus

2:25 AM

I'm just saying it only makes sense to compare phones that are equally popular.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Anyway, my point remains. the smartphone industry has been shit at establishing or using standards to facilitate third-party addons.

Robusto

@Cerberus Erase the cache partition? How does one do that?

Cerberus

@Robusto I agree entirely. That's why I never upgrade immediately...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

And Project Ara is going to try to take that resounding success (/sarcasm) and ratchet up the difficulty 100-fold.

Cerberus

@Robusto Err you probably need root, which you don't have, I think?

Robusto

2:26 AM

I do not.

Cerberus

Bummer.

Robusto

I am considering it, though. This bullshit has gone on long enough.

I'm sick of having crapware from Verizon larding up my phone.

Cerberus

You could back-up all the stuff on your phone, do a factory reset, then put it back?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto This is why I like Nexus devices: Google makes it easy to downgrade the OS

Robusto

How hard is it to root my LG?

Cerberus

2:27 AM

Ah, you have the Verizon one! Do you use the wireless charging?

@Robusto I think it was very easy for me.

But you have a slightly different model.

Robusto

I think I missed around 5 out of 50.

Not like I will get on the show though. But I might. And if I do I will crush it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto If you do make sure to call yourself "Robusto" and let us know when you're on.

Cerberus

towelroot.com

I used Towelroot.

It worked like a charm for me.

But I was on Kitkat.

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Only if I win. ^_^

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus wow, so that's an .apk that roots the phone all by itself?

talk about security hole!

well, I'm outta here. cya tomorrow

Robusto

2:33 AM

laterz

Me too. Bed beckons.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Good luck on your quest!

@Robusto Hmm it seems Towelroot doesn't work on Lollipop...

Sleep well!

This method claims to work on Lollipop: highonandroid.com/android-smartphones/…

I can't vouch for it, as I haven't tried it myself.

SmokeDetector

3:47 AM

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SmokeDetector

4:30 AM

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SmokeDetector

4:48 AM

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SmokeDetector

5:06 AM

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Boris_yo

5:51 AM

@Mitch Cheers! Oh yeah - to your household? OR for your household?

SmokeDetector

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SmokeDetector

6:09 AM

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SmokeDetector

6:52 AM

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SmokeDetector

7:03 AM

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SmokeDetector

7:19 AM

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terdon

8:23 AM

@Boris_yo We make products for your household and we'll send them to your household.

tchrist

9:04 AM

Please make it stop.

english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/115431

There are 4 from that creep.

english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/history

terdon

@tchrist Rejected

tchrist

That's an account that has overlived its pre-annihilation phase.

tchrist

9:29 AM

80% chance of snow on Thursday. Blah.

terdon

@tchrist Happy Easter!

tchrist

Can’t find bunny eggs in snow.

Then again next Monday. Why do I look at forecasts?

Yesterday was so pleasant. Sucker punched again.

terdon

@tchrist Same reason you poke at a bad tooth.

tchrist

Getting 50 mph gusts now as the new storm front blows all that nice warm weather away.

Hard to sleep.

It’s 3:33am here.

Wind woke me.

Andrew Leach

@tchrist That phase has ended. Posts get SmokeDetected; if you find anything else which needs action like that, please do point it out. Suggesting edits is new. (Sorry for the ping to keep you awake!)

terdon

9:40 AM

@AndrewLeach Did you get notified when we rejected those edits as spam? I'm not sure if that raises a flag or not.

Andrew Leach

The rejection was the ordinary "This defaces the post," which I don't think does anything special.

It's worth pointing out spamming users in cases like that.

terdon

@AndrewLeach That's why I was asking. I was going to flag the user (which was going to be hard since they had no content, only edits, I don't think we can flag them then) but wanted to make sure that rejecting an edit as defacement/spam didn't raise an automatic flag. That might be worth requesting actually.

Andrew Leach

You can post a link to their profile in chat, with a note. Their actions are checkable. Or a link to the edit review, with a note to reject.

I don't think that anything can be done automatically, even with bolt-ons like Smokey.

terdon

@AndrewLeach We should be able to flag suggested edits. If this continues, I'll post a request.

Andrew Leach

An "attempt to deface" notification could be useful. SO mods might get swamped!

terdon

9:56 AM

Like the poor things aren't already.

RegDwigнt

11:17 AM

@Cerberus nah, the problem with everyone but linguists is that they just don't get style books.

In fact, more often than not, that includes the style books' authors.

The linguists are the only ones who know or care that style ≠ grammar and grammar ≠ style.

A reader of S&W will think it is a grammar book and everything in it are actual rules of grammar, despite the word "Style" being in its friggin title.

Not to mention the fundamental fact that no good writer needs a style book in the first place.

The only purpose of style books is to help shitty writers think of themselves highly.

"Shakespeare ended a sentence in a preposition. I never did. HURRR IMA WRITORRRRR".

Andrew Leach

@RegDwigнt Presumably the "shitty writers" are the writers of style books.

RegDwigнt

You mean, like, "if you can't make a movie, you become a movie critic"?

Andrew Leach

Or ... those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

Those commas probably shouldn't be there.

RegDwigнt

Wer nix wird, wird Wirt.

@AndrewLeach lol. Yeah totally get rid of them and see where it gets you.

rolls eyes

> Those who can't do those who can't teach

A nice title on a documentary about failed porn actors.

Andrew Leach

Those who can do those who can't teach.

terdon

11:30 AM

@RegDwigнt Those who can't do those who can, teach.

RegDwigнt

That doesn't make much sense unless you mean can as in bottle.

terdon

Which?

Mine or Andrew's?

RegDwigнt

Yours.

Andrew Leach

Those who can't have sex with those who can -- those impotent ones teach.

terdon

Yes, those who can't have sex with those who can have sex, end up teaching.

RegDwigнt

11:33 AM

This is getting unwieldlier by the minute.

Those whose brevity leaves much to be desired are not really very souls of wit.

can do, teach!

Nah, they're dogs.

Underdogs or uberdogs?

terdon

@MattE.Эллен teach biatch!

Andrew Leach

11:41 AM

@RegDwigнt The pictures I have available are not clear on that point.

RegDwigнt

Dump AP, switch to Reuters.

terdon

@RegDwigнt Careful, not all Reuters are switches.

RegDwigнt

If switches were bitches, we'd all swim in riches.

terdon

If bitches had switches, we'd all need new britches.

RegDwigнt

Like a bitch over troubled water, I will lay me down.

3

terdon

11:47 AM

:)

Matt E. Эллен

like a snitch over harry potter, he will hunt me down

3

terdon

Better and better :)

Like a birch in a quiet forest, no one knows I'm down.

SmokeDetector

12:29 PM

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terdon

OK, WTF?

> B A M W A R .C O MPrim’s face is as fresha raindrop, as lovely as the primrose forshe was named. My mother was very beautifultoo. Or so they tell me. Sitting at Prim’s B A M W A R .C O M guarding her, is the world’s ugliest cat.nose, half of one ear missing, eyes the color of rotting squash.

How can that even be a spam seed? What's the point of that?

Ah, that last is a quote from Mockingjay

Andrew Leach

Don't know. Don't care. Mod-flagged as spam and user destroyed.

Within 30 seconds of posting :-)

terdon

@AndrewLeach I saw, well done :)

SmokeDetector

12:43 PM

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tchrist

Make it stop. There's more.

terdon

Poor Andrew is trying. He's destroying them as fast as they appear.

tchrist

Video game.

Andrew Leach

Whack-a-mole.

I wonder if mole meat is tastier than spam.

Or guacamole.

tchrist

12:59 PM

Depends who made the guac.

I think there are still some undestroyed new users lurking about, but you can check better than I. english.stackexchange.com/…

SmokeDetector

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tchrist

1:25 PM

I wonder if this isn’t some sort of revenge from suspended Koreans?

Andrew Leach

They're doing quite well if they can bork chat.

SmokeDetector

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tchrist

@AndrewLeach You saw the tweets about engaging the load balancers I imagine.

Andrew Leach

Yes.

tchrist

At least SE isn’t Sony.

SmokeDetector

1:36 PM

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Cerberus

Hello.

What's going on with that spam bot?

Andrew Leach

1:57 PM

It's accurately reporting spam.

SmokeDetector

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Cerberus

@AndrewLeach Yes, I mean the accounts that post those questions.

Not the Smoke Detector.

Andrew Leach

Oh. Well the accounts are destroyed (manually), so the bot is right, but that post may no longer be right by the time you look at the account.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: 천안오피 ᗹ사천오피ᘝ청담오피 〚밤의전쟁〛｜BAM｜WAR.c_o_M｜ by eddieyiromil1 on english.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title, bad keyword in title: 강남오피 연제오피｜BAM｜WAR . C O M학동오피［밤의전쟁］ by eatyiandy1 on english.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: ｜B a mWAR. .COM｜강서오피ᗽ반월오피 남성오피 〔밤의전쟁〕 by donyicruz1 on english.stackexchange.com

Cerberus

2:22 PM

@AndrewLeach That's what I thought.

I was just lamenting the existence of those spam bots.

Thank you for deleting them.

SmokeDetector

2:33 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: 간석건마 서구건마 〖밤의전쟁〗강남건마 BAMWAR.COM by mamarildaniel on english.stackexchange.com

Unihedro

Hello English.SE!

!!/status

@Undo why doesn't the commands for chat.SE rooms work outside Charcoal HQ?

Undo

Smokey doesn't respond to commands here

we're only binding to the websockets for CHQ and the Tavern

Mitch

@Boris_yo "We are dedicated to bringing/delivering quality home bar and home decoration products to your household" (it's 'bring to' or 'deliver to') Hopefully, you're actually doing delivery. 'for your household' if you're 'providing' decoration products. (ie 'provide for')

Unihedro

@Undo kk

Undo

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Mitch

2:38 PM

@terdon "the color of rotting squash" - I think just plain old fresh squash has a weird color too.

Undo

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Andrew Leach

Hmm. They've got round Smokey's checks.