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tchrist
tchrist
1:15 AM
@terdon Not your fault: everyone finds it that way.
 
 
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unforgettableid
unforgettableid
2:23 AM
Hi all! How do I reformat the date "Wednesday, April 8, 2015" into British English?
 
tchrist
tchrist
That is not going to get you lynched.
Why?
And why do you think it needs such a notion applied to it?
There is an answer, however.
It’s not like the Welsh cannot read that.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
@tchrist who are you replying to?
 
tchrist
tchrist
You.
They do speak a different language in Big Britain than they do in Little Britain, however.
I believe you are looking for ante diem VI Idus Apriles MMDCCLXVIII ab Urbe Condida.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
@tchrist I live in North America, and you've made me very confused.
 
tchrist
tchrist
2015–04-08 has much to be said for it.
It depends completely on what the context is.
Generally, England is littleendian.
ISO is bigendian.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
2:33 AM
@tchrist It's not for use in a spreadsheet, nor in a filename. It's for use in a journal of sorts.
 
tchrist
tchrist
8 April 2015
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
@tchrist Ah. Splendid! Do I put a comma after the day of the week, or leave it out?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@unforgettableid Please see the room topic.
Have you looked this up?
Don’t not put the comma in.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
@tchrist I tried before I came to this chat room. I found that "8 April 2015" was correct. But I didn't find any information about the comma.
@tchrist "El salón incomprensible".
@tchrist Which Google Translate renders as, "The incomprehensible lounge".
Tags: [ status-by-design ].
 
tchrist
tchrist
Molto bene.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
2:37 AM
:(
I guess I should try Freenode ##english, which is a far more comprehensible room.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@unforgettableid Look in an English newspaper.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
Newspapers rarely mention the day of the week, the day, the month, and the year all at once.
Normally, they mention either the day of the week -- or the day, month, and year -- but not both.
Well, article text, at least.
Though maybe the header of an online newspaper article might be more helpful.
/me checks
Ah! The Guardian leaves out the comma. They write things like "Wednesday 8 April 2015" in their articles' headers.
@tchrist You answered it. Thank you very much!
 
tchrist
tchrist
Headers are not the same as inline text.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
@tchrist true.
But this isn't mission-critical writing which I'm doing. I'm satisfied with relying on a header.
By the way, in the Unicode "🐼⃠", how do I separate the panda from the No sign?
 
tchrist
tchrist
I don’t know why that is happening.
It should be overlaid.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
2:46 AM
You're pushing the limits of Unicode, and you probably have discovered a problem when you made the removed post that you made earlier.

But my question is a different one. How do I separate the two, in order to copy just the panda to the clipboard?
 
tchrist
tchrist
It’s \x{1F43C}\x{20E0}.
No, it should work. I’ve done it before.
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
Ah.
 
tchrist
tchrist
"\N{PANDA FACE}\N{COMBINING ENCLOSING CIRCLE BACKSLASH}"
 
unforgettableid
unforgettableid
Cool :)
Anyway, back to other tasks. Thanks again, and have an excellent day/night!
 
tchrist
tchrist
Night.
To sleep, soon.
Past bedtime.
You too.
Wait, oh.
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Robusto
Robusto
11:44 AM
Turkey vulture on the 5th floor windowsill this morning. Pix to follow.
 
tchrist
tchrist
12:20 PM
No drumsticks, please.
I haven't seen ours yet, which is weird.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
12:43 PM
> Project Habakkuk was a plan by the British during the Second World War to construct an aircraft carrier out of ice
TIL
 
tchrist
tchrist
The First of April has come and gone.
Where now the ice of yesteryear?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
 
tchrist
tchrist
"Unsinkable".
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@tchrist well... it's ICE!
 
user116848
Kewl!
 
tchrist
tchrist
12:47 PM
Seems more like something from the Cold War.
 
user116848
Where I come from I see ice only in a refrigerator :-)
 
crl
crl
@arrowfar North Africa?
Egypt I think
 
user116848
@crl Nah, Pakistan. Southern part.
 
user116848
In the north of our country we get heavy snowfall though.
 
user116848
I live near the Arabian sea.
 
user116848
1:00 PM
The ocean is near though.
 
crl
crl
Karachi?
 
user116848
But it gets very warm here.
 
user116848
@crl Yeah
 
user116848
How did you know? :)
 
user116848
Yeah it is a very big city.
 
crl
crl
1:01 PM
Just saying a big city name :)
Are there sharks in the Arabian Sea?
 
user116848
I don't know.
 
user116848
There has to be some.
 
crl
crl
There has been a shark attack recently in La Reunion, an island belonging to France in Indian Ocean, but seriously we know that sharks don't kill many people, less than snakes or bees, or mosquitos
 
user116848
I think sharks are very common in the Atlantic ocean.
 
user116848
@crl I see. You mean shark attack?
 
crl
crl
1:04 PM
yes
 
user116848
Ow
 
crl
crl
@arrowfar Well on the East side (Europe) there are not so frequent
 
user116848
Ah
 
crl
crl
I've known someone who fell from his boat, he was alone, near Corsica, fortunately he had his phone with him, so he called his parents and survived after long hours in the sea
 
tchrist
tchrist
wet phone
 
crl
crl
1:07 PM
yeah, really fortunate
That moment where those simple things save your life
water jacket, phone
 
user116848
I have heard some survival stories too. Scary stuff.
 
user116848
But here we don't go near the ocean due to other reasons.
 
user116848
I mean some do but they always try to come back before dusk.
 
user116848
Here we are scared of people (bad) more than sharks :-)
 
user116848
It is very different here.
 
user116848
1:18 PM
Still some spots have security and are good.
 
tchrist
tchrist
1:31 PM
We try to be down off the mountain before dusk lest we attract lions.
Somewhat similar. :)
 
user116848
Yeah :)
 
tchrist
tchrist
1:44 PM
If you have to overnight, a bear-bag is obligatory.
 
user116848
I see. For bear proofing.
 
user116848
In the north of our country we have the second tallest mountain in the world K-2.
 
user116848
So most people here go to the mountain areas to have fun and adventure. Many good spots there.
 
user116848
Here we have a wide variety of terrain.
 
user116848
From ocean to mountains to desert and whatnot :-)
 
user116848
1:55 PM
The only issue for tourists here is of security. So we plan ahead if we have to visit a particular area, that way we avoid all the dangers etc.
 
user116848
Overall a good country. I like it. Just the unexpected stuff here is what I hate the most.
 
user116848
Wow, I'm blogging here it seems :)
 
user116848
I gotta take off. See you all. Ciao!
 
tchrist
tchrist
@arrowfar That's ok! :)
 
 
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Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
6:01 PM
Rob what is your opinion on Knockout?
 
crl
crl
6:13 PM
Knockout.js? I like it, it's quite necessary to have it for templating and binding a list to some data without reinventing it yourself. ex: jsbin.com/bapuwi#r/kittens I declare an observable which is the text input, when you change and press enter, the computed fields are updated
(tell me if it works you should see some cats, I think you need to have an imgur account, you can log with google or twitter)
The app is using Imgur's API to show their picture galleries
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I have too many security features enabled to allow that site to work.
But I do encourage kittens.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus Do they perform better if you encourage them?
Probably their egos just get even bigger. They are felines, after all.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
They do.
When I tickle them, they amp up their cuteness.
 
crl
crl
@Cerberus ahh popup filter :)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@crl Amongst other things.
 
crl
crl
6:26 PM
It's just a popup for authenticating, because else openid redirects and I don't know how to land back on my page
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But I even allowed it to load the popup.
Still didn't work.
When I press the green Allow button in the pop-up, the pop-up turns blank and nothing happens.
 
crl
crl
Hmm, can you just refresh?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I have allowed all cross-domain loading on those websites.
I have reloaded the pop-up and the page several times.
 
crl
crl
you need to select google or another openid provider then click the green ok, then sometimes it freeze but if you refresh it works (for me)
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
In your understanding, who is homeowner?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
6:40 PM
@Boris_yo someone who owns a home
 
terdon
terdon
Often as opposed to someone who rents.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
One who owns home asset ownership wise or one who is in charge of making sure house is always clean, dishes are washed, loundry is done (can be wife), all is working, DIY etc (can be husband)
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
or someone who is merely a landlord
I think the word connotes both ownership and residence
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
Until now I had in mind what I written as well as one who owns a home...
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
you can be a homeowner even if you hire out all the maintenance
 
terdon
terdon
6:42 PM
@Boris_yo Setting aside the sexism implicit in that remark, it means someone who actually owns the house. Whose name is on the ownership papers.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
maybe you are thinking of "homemaker"
 
terdon
terdon
^^
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Home builder?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Boris_yo no.
a homemaker is the person who runs the home on a day-to-day basis
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@terdon Sexism? For many it's just stereotype.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
6:43 PM
@Boris_yo well, a sexist stereotype
 
terdon
terdon
@Boris_yo Tell that to my sister the militant feminist. I've been sensitized.
> a person who manages the household of his or her own family, especially as a principal occupation.
That was homemaker
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
homemaker usually refers to a person who doesn't have another job and is mainly doing housework, for their own home.
 
terdon
terdon
Homeowner:
> a person who owns a home.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
my neighbour owns two houses. One is his home, he is a homeowner. One house is rented out: he is a landlord.
If he didn't own a home but only a rental house that he didn't live in, I wouldn't call him a homeowner.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
If I am advertising home decor product do I advertise to homemakers then?
Like we are dedicated to deliver only high-quality products to homemakers? (Not homeowners?)
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
6:46 PM
Maybe that's just me.
@Boris_yo I'm not sure either word is the one you want.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What would be correct word in your opinion?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Boris_yo I'm not sure. But these days, at least in North America and most other English-speaking places, "homemaker" is a word that's declining in use because most people are not housewives/househusbands anymore.
And "homeowner" might be right, but might not, it depends on the product and who you expect will use it.
Let's say you're selling paint. Commonly, tenants will paint their rental units.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know. How about wine corkscrew :)
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Boris_yo Corkscrews are useful to all wine drinkers, regardless of what their living arrangements are.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
And if products in different categories are advertised? Like wine corkscrew and glass vase? Probably there needs to be generic term...
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
6:50 PM
You could just say "for your home"
it doesn't matter what kind of home you have, who owns it, what your job is.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
Actually it's supposed to be in description of business.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
The product isn't for a particular role, it's for people.
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
@crl no cats, I use adblock if that explains it
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Boris_yo Well, I'm not sure what the best word you'd want is. But "homeowner" is the subset of people who own homes they live in. "homemaker" is "housewife/househusband" and doesn't apply to anyone who has a job outside the home.
If you want to sell products to people with jobs, or people who rent, then those are the wrong words.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You mention that homemaker is term that is less and less used in US. Why is that in your opinion? Society changes?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:00 PM
@crl I tried Twitter, but nothing happens when I press the Twitter button.
But, again, this is probably owing to the additional security measures I use in my browser.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Boris_yo Because the traditional model of "husband works, wife stays at home" is not as common. more and more women are working. Parenting duties and chores are becoming more evenly shared. etc.
So the label applies to fewer and fewer people.
 
terdon
terdon
@Boris_yo we could help you more if you gave us the entire sentence but I would probably change it to not aim at people but at the house itself. "For the home" or "For your household" or something like that. There is no word for people who live in houses that I know of. Only words for people who have no house.
 
Boris_yo
Boris_yo
7:18 PM
@terdon "We are dedicated to bring?/deliver? quality home bar and home decoration products to your household?/for your household?"
 
Robusto
Robusto
8:10 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Nice!!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@RegDwigнt Have you seen Wilders's speech for PEGIDA?
"Wir sind das Volk!"
Now what does that remind me of...
 
Robusto
Robusto
Your fruitcake could be a nice lead-in for the above. ^_^
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Boris_yo I think you have your own answer, advertise to people interested in home decor, not to some label (the labels are changing in usage)
@Boris_yo sounds good.
@terdon but to answer in a sense the implicit question, in the US, the common term nowadays is SAHM, stay at home mom, or SAHD, stay at home dad. So it used to be housewife then homemaker then ... I feel like nothing for awhile ... then SAHM.
 
crl
crl
@Cerberus @JohanLarsson ok thanks anyway, I'll make it more standard
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:27 PM
@crl I use Adblock too.
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Guys, is anyone familiar with arrowfar?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Why?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
sigh -- I don't know if this will make things worse.
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
@DamkerngT. he is a regular here
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
But I was thinking that maybe we could use your help. He was in an argument with me.
I mean, he is.
And I think the more I try to explain, the worse it gets.
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
8:33 PM
where?
 
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
In ELL room.
Thanks!
 
user116848
Hey, what are you doing? @DamkerngT.
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
@arrowfar don't think he meant any harm
 
user116848
Thanks!
 
crl
crl
@Cerberus me too, this doesn't matter
@arrowfar What is the meaning of "arrowfar"?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:45 PM
@crl I also use Noscript, Request Policy, and Self-Destructing Cookies.
 
user116848
@crl Just a name. I mixed up "arrow" + "far" :-)
 
crl
crl
@Cerberus Noscript is for "no javascript"?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yes, it lets you enable Javascript per domain.
But I enabled it for your site and Imgur.
 
crl
crl
@arrowfar a far-off arrow?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But it does more, ABE stuff and whatnot.
 
crl
crl
8:50 PM
ok
 
user116848
@crl Yeah sort of.
 
crl
crl
Is fish (as a food) considered as meat? because in French we wouldn't use 'viande' (meat) for fishes?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Usually not, sometimes it is.
Depends on context.
 
crl
crl
 
user116848
@DamkerngT. By the way this was a wrong move. You shouldn't have involved folks from here.
 
user116848
8:54 PM
Why?
 
user116848
Why did you come here to look for help?
 
user116848
You are talking my Goodwill here man.
 
user116848
Don't do it.
 
user116848
I'll talk to a community moderator like I said the other day.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@arrowfar Hey, why do you care so much about him?
 
user116848
8:56 PM
He is attacking me. debating with me. picking on me.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
If someone annoys you for whatever reason, the easiest way to be rid of the annoyance is by ignoring him.
 
user116848
@Cerberus I don't. I don't give a crap. He just gets on my nerves sometimes.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
OK.
 
user116848
okay
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
If you just don't reply to him, then you won't let him get on your nerves.
 
user116848
8:57 PM
okay, I'll try.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
The same applies vice versa.
Yay!
Again, I don't know the history, but I like you both, so I just want no fighting.
 
user116848
yeah
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I've had fights here too.
But at the moment I am at peace with everyone, or so I believe.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus I'll get you my pretty, and your little dog too!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Am I pretty?
And who is my dog?
Robusto?
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
9:05 PM
maybe I'm the dog?
the poodle's puppy?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus it's a quote from The Wizard of Oz
I'm trying to show that you're still in a state of chat war
maybe chat cold war
you can never rest
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah.
I have not read it.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 With whom?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus everyone!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
That is very...inclusive.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
indeed!
But I cannot elaborate further. I must be off, to commit nefarious schemes.
or to pick up my kids from daycare.
nefarious kids!
probably
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
9:12 PM
Haha.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
cya
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They will no doubt perform nefarious acts in this room soon.
Bye!
 
terdon
terdon
9:24 PM
@Boris_yo Sorry, I was having dinner. Yeah, that sounds good.
@Mitch SAHM? OMFG.
 

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