I need hi everyone

hi

I need some help

with this question:

sorry I linked it badly for the first time

so my problem is

Brr....too much newbie questions about HIV

that I've done my own research I and found out that what I described is most likely spisodes of obstructive sleep apnea

so now I have hard time deciding what to do with my question

because answering my own question after making bit faulty asumptions seems unfair and unethical

This is really not my field of expertise...so can you edit it accordingly?

well i could but i see no point in it

Additionally it is ok to answer your questions yourself, when you found the right answer.

because I've already lerned what I needed

so keeping the question in edited from

Then you can do two things: Either delete it (what I wouldn't do) or write the correct answer to it.

is useless because i already have my answer

someone else could learn from it....

that's a good point

and this is btw. the reason why I usually write questions...

:)

I was thinking about editing the question to fit the answer

I need to do the work to find the right references anyway, so if I ask something quite special, I would have to write the answer myself anyway

This is also possible

hmm I'll meditate on these a little bit

more

:-)

I have to go for a while ... be back later

ok bye

and back again

me too

@AliceD This is fine - I don't like having errors in my answers. So please stay nitpicky. :-)

for comments relating to edits of questions (e.g. "I think you have written XXXX sentence wrong") which then become irrelevant because the edits are made - should we flag these as obsolete to try and keep comments sections relevant and focussed?

@poka.nandor Thanks for the link. I don't really keep track of what goes on at SO. Again, nothing stopping you from asking your own question on Meta.

you're welcome

Iwas just wandering if there are 'centralized' surveys of similar kind

@poka.nandor not unless someone sets them up. The one you linked to was probably set up by Stack Exchange itself. Partly as a marketing thing, I imagine.

I see

maybe we should do something similar

But again, you could ask a question about people on the site,as I did. You can see I got some replies, though not a lot.

small private survey :D

Setting up something so big would be a lot of work.

And where would you put it?

Of course, you could write a Meta questions suggesting a survey. :-)

in a weird twisted form i just did :D

@poka.nandor you asked if there was one. Not the same thing. :-)

this is why it is twisted

just slight subconscious suggestion

:D

@poka.nandor ask a survey question on Meta. Go on - you know you want to.

muhhaha

is this wanted to be some sort of jedi trick?

@poka.nandor er, what?

star wars? mind trick?

@poka.nandor yes, I know star wars. But I don't get the relevance.

nah never mind. It just looked like you know waving your hand in front of me and 'go ask a survey question'

maybe it was only funny in my head

@poka.nandor Ah, I wish I had such magical powers. Even the Jedi require physical proximity.

well, yes and it still does not work all the time

@poka.nandor maybe. I'm not a Stars Wars expert. Happily.

neither am I, but there is at least one scene where this happens

@poka.nandor where what happens?

the mind trick fails

in episode one

@poka.nandor Oh, really? I don't recall it.

@poka.nandor Phantom Menace?

yep

when they try to buy ship parts

@poka.nandor hmm. If I was nuts I would go and watch the movie now. But I'm not.

:)

@GriffinEvo I think this is a good idea. Only keep the relevant comments.

@GriffinEvo I'll incorporate this to my habits, good idea

@poka.nandor so, you do bioinformatics? You program too?

Is it always so quiet here? These SE rooms vary a lot in traffic.

It depends how much people are around.

plus they are in very different time zones - from australia to america which are not always very compatible

@Chris and does that vary a lot?

The sidebar lists 6 people at the moment, which is not very many.

I haven't followed this up.

A lot of people have the chat open in a browser tab somewhere.

@FaheemMitha yeah sort of bioinformatics but mostly programing at the moment

biology phd plus software engineering

@poka.nandor ok. What language?

@Chris Wouldn't they be listed in the sidebar then?

it fades out if they are not active for a while I think.

@faheem you see them faded if they are not active

@Chris now seeing 7, and that is it.

so looks like four of us here, & 3 others have got this in the background

five.

@FaheemMitha Java mostly

@faheem Biology is a relatively small community and the chat is even smaller

I was reading about snake venom. Quite interesting. Where on SE would that be on-topic I wonder? Biology? Chemistry?

@Chris Seems like an active site.

I would say it depends on the question...it can be both

the activity grew quite a lot over the last year

There was once a snake man called Bill Haast. Interesting life he had.

@Chris the Biology site?

@faheem yes

@Chris ok

The new Health site is not off to a great start.

really depends what the question is

there's a health SE now?

@GriffinEvo In beta, yes.

@GriffinEvo On snake venom?

that SE is going to be a nightmare to moderate!

at least we can refer medical q's there now

@faheem: Some people have this idea, yes. But fortunately this is not a problem here at biology, most answers come nicely refeences

@GriffinEvo Yeah it's nice for us. We can relay the questions over there.

:-)

I don't have a specific question about snake venom. Was just reading a little about it. Seems like it would be a fascinating subject to research. For a biochemist at any rate.

@Chris Do you care what happens to them afterwards? :-)

Albeit with the risk of sudden death.

Oh yeah. These venoms are very interestings. Use of unusual amino acids, highly potent enzymes etc.

@Chris Real cocktail of stuff. I didn't know it was so complex.

I am not sure how long health.se will make it. If they get too much personal health questions, se might pull the plug.

@Chris Things aren't looking promising at the moment.

We'll see, what the outcome will be.

A site like that really needs experts. Otherwise it is just a bunch of clueless people relaying random stuff on the net.

With a solid core of med professionals it could be a really useful site.

Additionally they don't seem to distinguish themselves from pseudomedicine

Though the SE structure isn't specially well designed for it.

Most med questions don't lend themselves to just an answer. You need a dialog.

@Chris pseudomedicine?

all kind of stuff which has not been proven and which is useless if you look beyond the placebo effect

I don't call this "alternative medicine" anymore. What has an effect is medicine, no matter where it comes from. The rest is pseudomedicine.

@Chris Oh. Do you have an example?

Homeopathy

accupuncture

reiki

@Chris that's fraud.

@Chris not sure about that. probably marginal.

@Chris never heard of that. See, one learns things on these sites.

@faheem: There is no consensus between the different schools of accupuncture where the energy points should be located. Then: There is nothing like flowing energy (or points) in our body. It is a very powerful placebo, but not more. There are a number of studies about that. Search for Edzard Ernst's blog, he has analyzed this scientifically in great detail.

The last one is basically distance energy healing.

@Chris I see. That is interesting.

@Chris oh. From a distance?

From a distance.

The blog is here: edzardernst.com

There are too many web pages in the world. I can't read them all.

@Chris Thanks for the link.

You are a biochemist yourself, right? Academic or corporate?

The top post is about homeopathy being effective. But as far as I understand it, that is impossible.

Like saying the sun moves around the earth.

I hope, I don't spoil you, but it is not effective. And that is also his credo. He was trained as a Homeopath but turned away from it later on. So you can expect he is critical (on a scientific basis) with this bullshit.

Yes, I am a biochemist.

@Chris it can't possibly be effective. it's total nonsense.

@Chris Ok. academic or corporate?

I know.

academic

There is a lot of that crap here.

The first part of the blogposts consist of descriptions of "studies"

and at the end of the posts he claims why they are not accurate

@FloriOn Yes, I see.

Just looked at Dr. Ernst's page. Looks like he has had an interesting but difficult life.

Nicely put.

"Surveys and case reports suggested that homeopathy can be dangerous."

Dangerous how?

I think the use of them instead of proper medical treatment

@FloriOn Ok. That makes sense.

Big business in India, unfortunately.

There are even cases of people who died even thought could have been saved by conventional medicine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#cite_note-Baby_Gloria-238

@FaheemMitha The only thing I find interesting relating this is the placebo effect.

@FaheemMitha why did you ask?

@poka.nandor why did I ask about what?

that do i do bioinformatics

and in what language i program

i mean what language i code in

@poka.nandor just curious. I have done some programming to. And I've worked on bioinformatics related stuff.

Never used Java, though.