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11:15 AM
Hi all. I have some problems coping with the lack of relationship between limits wrt different absolute values on a number field. Maybe some kind soul could give me a hand?
Fix a prime number $p$. If I see the number $\alpha = \prod_{n=1}^{\infty} n^{1/2^n}$ as an element of $\mathbb{C}_p$, then I can consider $\left|\alpha\right|_p$ and I would like to prove that $\left|\alpha\right|_p \neq 1$.
This seems reasonable if I rewrite $\alpha$ as $\prod_{p} p^{c_p}$ with $c_p = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} v_p(n) / 2^n$. It would be straightforward to prove if I knew that $\alpha$ is the limit of $\prod_{n=1}^m n^{1/2^n}$ wrt $\left|\cdot\right|_p$, but this seems unlikely to me.
(If it is too complicated I'll post it as an actual question, instead...)
 
hello, someone help me on bases of neighborhood ?
 
That depends on what you need...
 
11:33 AM
@A.P. you are with me ?
 
Yes, @Vrouvrou
 
I have this space (E,\tau) where $E=\{a,b,c\}$ and $\tau=\{E,\emptyset, \{a\},\{a,b\}\}$
the neighborhoods of b are \{a,b\} and \{a,b,c\}
 
Yes, go on...
 
the bases of neighborhoods of b is the two \{a,b\} and \{a,b,c\} or juste \{a,b\} ?
 
How do you define a "base of neighbourhood"?
 
11:37 AM
small open neighborhood such that all the neighbohoods are writen as the union of element of the bases
 
Then you have your answer... do you see why?
 
no
 
Ok: suppose that $B = \{\{a,b\}\}$ is a neighbourhood basis for $b$. Can you get $E$ as a union of sets in $B$?
 
no but i found an other definition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbourhood_system
i don't know what to do !!!
 
Note that $\mathcal{V}(x)$ in that definition is a filter (in particular, see property 3).
You'd better stick with the definition your teacher gave you, since he will probably expect you to use that one anyway.
 
11:45 AM
where is property 3 ?
 
In the Wikipedia definition of filter I linked...
Namely: "If $A$ is in $F$ and $A$ is a subset of $B$, then $B$ is in $F$, for all subsets $B$ of $S$", where $F$ is a collection of subsets of some set $S$.
 
and finely what is the basis ?
 
Since you have only two choices, as you correctly wrote, it must be $\{E, \{a,b\}\}$.
Just out of curiosity, where are you studying on? It might be beneficial to review the part where neighbourhood bases are discussed in your book/notes.
Just for clarity, the definition for neighbourhood base $\mathcal{B}(p)$ at a point $p$ of $(X,\tau)$ should be (piecing it together from memory and the one you linked): $\mathcal{B}(p) \subseteq \tau$ such that:
1. $\varnothing \notin \mathcal{B}(p)$;
2. For every $U,V \in \mathcal{B}(p)$ there is a $W \in \mathcal{B}(p)$ such that $W \subseteq U \cap V$.
3. Any open neighbourhood of $p$ can be written as a union of elements of $\mathcal{B}(p)$.
In particular, your proposed basis failed to satisfy this last property.
 
12:03 PM
a question what is the sum of the reciprocal of the factoral series going to infinity
oh wait.....
can anyone tell me how to show that e is smaller than 3 arithmetically
 
@SayanChattopadhyay Using which definition of $e$?
 
@DanielFischer i just know showed e is smaller than 3 but how should i show e is bigger than 2
i did it using infinite series
 
@SayanChattopadhyay That depends on which definition you use. With $$e := \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{1}{n!},$$ it's pretty trivial.
 
can you explain me
we all know that
$(1/3!+1/4!+........+1/n!)<(1/2^2+1/2^3+1/2^3+........1/2^n)$@DanielFischer
now add $(1+1/1!+1/2!)$ on both the sides of the inequality @DanielFischer
the left hand side is equal $e$ as $e := \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{1}{n!}$ @DanielFischer
the right hand side is equal to 3 @DanielFischer
 
@SayanChattopadhyay You know that $$\frac{1}{2\cdot 3\cdot \dotsc \cdot k} < \frac{1}{2^{k-1}}$$ for $k \geqslant 3$, since if you replace all factors in the denominator by $2$, you make the denominator smaller, hence the fraction larger.
 
12:17 PM
so by that way $e<3$
but now i cant figure out a series to show e is bigger than 2
 
@SayanChattopadhyay All terms in that series are positive, so the sum of the series is larger than any of the partial sums. Take a convenient partial sum.
 
@DanielFischer Heya daniel, do you know basic logic circuits? =)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Not really. I know about "petitio principii". I also know that things like NAND-gates exist, but ...
 
I was attempting to set up an RS-latch but the details seemed harder than neccenary
 
Ummm ... RS-latch? Wazzat?
 
12:35 PM
The Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences (OEIS) is one of the best tools on the Internet for an amateur to learn mathematics and also perhaps to someday make original discoveries them selves. Currently the site is run by donations. The problem as I see it is that I feel I do not have the right to contribute material there if I not also pay for it.

Stack exchange is also good but it is not as structured as the OEIS. Most of my questions, and I mostly ask questions, are in some form based on what I have learned from surfing the OEIS.
 
The Google Doodle today is Emmy Noether.
 
It's a nice doodle. Ascending and descending chain conditions on the bottom, intersection of prime ideals up top, some of her physics stuff on the right (along with some symmetry groups of polygons...)
Not really sure whence the topology joke.
 
12:53 PM
thanks for the explanation @DanielFischer
 
Hi @ᴇʏᴇs
 
hi @Jasper
 
Hi @JasperLoy
 
Then you should make a contribution @MatsGranvik :-)
 
1:13 PM
@MatsGranvik, of all sites out there on the web, SE does a pretty good job at being structured don't you think?
:)
 
One may even say a bit over structured in some places, but that can be a good thing too :-)
Hello Prof @TedShifrin
 
hi skull ... and hi, mr eyeglasses and @Jasper. I just stopped by before my last advising appointments (well, scheduled ones) start for the last day ever :P
I guess I should say good night, @Mike. It really is night.
 
morning, @Ted.
 
Early even for you, @Mike.
well, it seems rather dull here ....
 
Your last day of work?
 
1:23 PM
no, that's in 6 weeks or so ...
But I schedule advising appointments over a 7- to 8-week period, and we're now at the end. Of course, there are students who haven't made appointments, but they're going to need a different adviser next year anyhow ...
 
I see.
It's gonna be May flowers for you my friend:-)
Retiring in May
 
I see @Balarka is doing the wonderful Hatcher problem on the homology of the appropriately-identified cube. I loved guiding a grad student through that 10 years ago or whenever it was.
skull, but hopefully not dying for another few months ...
 
Nah, April showers followed by May flowers.
In Cali all you'll get is sun and fun.
 
1:44 PM
Are most of you here working with maths professionally or as a hobby?
Let me rephrase, anyone here doing math solely as a hobby? ;)
 
@Ropstah I do math as a hobby only.
 
Nice! Which areas do you like?
(most)
 
The Riemann hypothesis.
And currently Gauss circle problem.
 
2:00 PM
@Ropstah I don't do math at all these days.
 
@JasperLoy What is your real name?
 
@MatsGranvik It is this.
 
I'm into geometry and prime numbers too
@JasperLoy, what is it that you do then?
 
I am going to take a nap. Good night.
 
2:05 PM
Later pal
 
@Ropstah I am trying to recover from my mental illness.
 
Oh dear, is it working?
 
Maybe, bye.
 
Good luck
@MatsGranvik: i'm trying to visualize n-dimensions in 2-, 3- and 4-dimensional space
 
In engineering there is a way to handle many dimensions. It is called "kvotekvationer" in Swedish.
http://web.abo.fi/fak/tkf/vt/Eng/education_VTG.htm
 
2:17 PM
"ratio equations"?
 
Something like that yes.
 
I'm able to program what I want to see, but I'm having trouble reverse engineering the math algebraically
 
@A.P. I asked the question and i must work with this definition : $\forall V \in \mathcal{V}_b, \exists W, W\subset V$
so the basis is $\{\{a,b\}\}$ right ?
i'm confusing with two things
 
bases, et système fondamental de voisinages
 
2:30 PM
@MatsGranvik Heya, do you know circuits? :p
 
@N3buchadnezzar Not logic circuits.
 
@MatsGranvik I guess that was the logical answer.
I am just trying to make an alarm-clock. The circuit above is an attempt at having a stop button turning the sound off.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Is it not possible to write them as programs? Some engineers or especially salesmen like to draw boxes.
 
Programs?
 
@N3buchadnezzar A Excel spreadsheet formula should do it.
What I mean is that there are programming languages that allows you to write all engineering problems with such symbols/ready-components you have draw above. Then the program will tell you what the outout will be.

But the same problem can be written with code instead of symbols.
@N3buchadnezzar circuitlab.com or similar I searched for pspice which is a program I used to check electric circuits with.
 
2:47 PM
hi someone help me with path-connectedness ?
 
Quelle question, @Vrouvrou?
 
J'ai cet ensemble $E=\{a,b,c\}$ muni de cette topologie $\tau=\{E,\emptyset,\{a\}, \{a,b\}\}$
je dois montrer que E est connexe par arcs
 
Ugh :P
 
@MatsGranvik thats nice
 
donc trouver entre a et b, b et c , a et c une fonction continue de [0,1] vers E @TedShifrin
c'est quoi la méthode pour construire ?
svp
 
2:55 PM
Oui, et alors pour cette fonction $g\colon[0,1]\to E$, il faut que $g^{-1}(\text{ouvert})$ soit ouvert, ou que $g^{-1}(\text{fermé})$ soit fermé.
Peut-être faut-il essayer une fonction comme $g(t) = a$, $0\le t<1$, et $g(1)=b$?
 
c'est pas la meme chose que g(0)=a et g(1)=b
 
Il faut la définir pour tout $t\in [0,1]$.
OK, je dois aller en classe maintenant ...
 
ok merci bon courage
 
Class maintenance
 
je doit montrer que l'image inverse de n’importe quel ouvert de E est un ouvert de [0,1]
muni de la topologie usuelle donc les ouverts de [0,1] sont les ouverts de R intersection [0,1]@TedShifrin
par exemple $g^{-1}(\{a\})=[0,1[=[0,1]\cap ]-1,1[$ so open
if g:[0,1]\rightarrow E g(t)=a, 0\leq t<1 and g(1)=b
what is g^{-1}(E) ?
@ᴇʏᴇs
is it [0,1] even if g is not defined on c ?
please
someone here ?
 
3:37 PM
@Vrouvrou You have to only check continuity for preimages of open (or closed) sets. In this case, it means sets of shape $g([0,1]) \cap U$ with $U$ open in $E$.
 
if g(t) =a, 0\leq t <1, g(1)=b then what is g^{-1}({a,b,c}) ?
 
Since the image of Ted Shifrin's function is $\{a,b\}$, it is enough to check continuity for $\{a\}$ and $\{a,b\}$ (since $g^{-1}(\varnothing) = \varnothing$ is trivial.
@Vrouvrou It is not defined, that's my point!
@Vrouvrou If you find it difficult to understand this in English, I'm sorry. I can more or less understand written French, but I don't know how to speak or write it.
I could explain it again in Italian, though...
 
lol no g^{-1}({a,b,c})=[0,1] or it is not defined ?
{a,b,c}=E
and g:[0,1]\rightarrow E
@A.P.
 
Hum... Ok, I take it back: $g^{-1}(U)$ is a shorthand for the set $\{a \in [0,1] : g(a) \in U\}$. This means that $g^{-1}(U) = E$ for every $U \supseteq g([0,1])$, so it still means that it is enough to check continuity for $g([0,1]) \cap V$ with $V$ open.
 
4:17 PM
@N3buchadnezzar: Try Logisim
 
@A.P. so g^{-1}(E)=[0,1]
right
 
4:32 PM
i have this set $E=\{a,b,c\}$ with this topology $\tau=\{E,\emptyset, \{a\},\{a,b\}\}$

I have to show if $E$ is path-connected or not ?

I have to construct a continuous function between a and b, b and c , a and c.

1) between a and b:
$\varphi_1: [0,1]\rightarrow E, \varphi_1(t)=a, 0\leq t<1, \varphi_1(1)=b$

$\varphi_1^{-1}(\{a\})=\emptyset, \varphi_1^{-1}(\{a,b\})=[0,1[=[0,1]\cap]-1,1[$(is open ), $\varphi_1^{-1}(\emptyset)=\emptyset$ and $\varphi_1(E)=[0,1]$

2) between c and b: if i suppose that $\varphi_2: [0,1]\rightarrow E, \varphi_2(t)=c,0\leq t<1, \varphi(1)=b $ then we have $\va
@A.P. so i think that the set is not path-connected
 
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4:55 PM
@Vrouvrou isn't it easier to say that $E$ is not connected and hence not path-connected?
 
Hallo.
 
5:14 PM
Just wondering, how can you describe a vector field to a non trivial tangent bundle in a global way?
When the tangent bundle is trivial you can always just take a vector valued function.
But what if it's not?
I think one can describe a complete flow and then take the corresponding vector field, that feels more "global" in the sense that it doesn't have to rely on coordinates.
Is there an obvious choice for a "global" way to describe a vector field?
 
5:28 PM
Hi guys
 
Hello
 
@DanielFischer Hi, I would like to prove that given $F\in C(\overline{D(0,1)})$ and holomorphic on $D(0,1)$ such that $\vert F(z) \vert\le 1$ for $\vert z\vert=1$ then $\vert F(z)\vert\le 1$ holds as well on the $(\overline{D(0,1)})$
 
Hi @infinitesimalsimplicio @Owatch
 
5:33 PM
I tried to take a converging subsequence $z_{n_k}\rightarrow \alpha_0$. I have $\vert z_0 -\alpha_0\vert=\lim_{k\rightarrow +\infty}\vert z_0-z_{n_k}\vert$. I denote $z_n$ an element of $D(z_0,1+1/n)\cap D(0,1)$. @DanielFischer
 
How would you integrate $tan^{2}x dx$?
 
So $\alpha_0$ lie in $\overline{D(z_0,1)})$.
Now I need to use the fact that $F$ is continuous, right ?
 
nvm
 
@DanielFischer Forgot what I said, it's unclear. I will ask a question on main. :)
 
@Owatch $tan^2x$ is the same as $(tanx)^2$
Now you can apply chain rule
 
5:47 PM
That is not how I solved it, but yes.
And I was integrating.
Not differentiating.
 
Oh sorry I don't see that
 
my bad I should have written the integral instead of putting it in text.
 
We forgive you pal :-)
Mixing words with symbols is a good way to learn math.
 
But why can't we go backwards find the derivative and use the derivative to find the integral
 
I integrated $\int xtan^{2}x dx$ to get $xtanx-x^{2}+ln|cosx| - \frac{x^{2}}{2} + c$
That does not look quite right
 
5:54 PM
I think it will be tanx -x + C
 
@Gato This holds for every harmonic $F$ since it is the possion integral of it's restriction to the boundary. Look in big Rudin's chapter 11.
 
It's not just that according to Wolfram.
 
@SaalHardali Perhaps, but it's beyond my reach..
 
@Owatch why don't you use the identity
$tan^2x=sec^2x-1$
 
@Gato do you know the maximality primciple?
 
5:57 PM
I have used that. I've long since solved the integral of tan^2x Sayan.
 
@SaalHardali yes
 
I'm integrating a bigger problem, look above.
 
@Gato What happens when you take the limit of the maximum over increasing circles?
 
@user The closed subsets of that topological space are $\{\varnothing, \{c\}, \{b,c\},E\}$. Since every two non-empty closed subsets intersect, it follows that $E$ must be connected.
 
@SaalHardali I don't understand your question..
 
6:01 PM
@Vrouvrou In 1) you write $\phi_1^{-1}(\{a\}) = \varnothing$, but this is not correct. Since you defined $\phi_1$ as $\phi_1(t) = a$ for $t \in [0,1)$ and $\phi_1(1) = b$, it follows that $\phi_1^{-1}(\{a\}) = [0,1)$.
 
@Gato can you prove the statement for $z=0$?
 
Anyone fond of topology ?
 
$\int[\int . . .dy]dx$
Is this some sort of double integral?
form
I guess so.
 
@Vrouvrou Fix an $r \in (0,1]$ and define $I_0 = [0,r)$, $I_1 = [r,1]$, so that $[0,1] = I_0 \cup I_1$ with $I_0$ open. Now consider the following functions $[0,1] \to E$:
$\phi_{ab}(t) = a$ if $t \in I_0$, $\phi_{ab}(t) = b$ if $t \in I_1$;
$\phi_{ac}(t) = a$ if $t \in I_0$, $\phi_{ac}(t) = c$ if $t \in I_1$;
$\phi_{bc}(t) = b$ if $t \in I_0$, $\phi_{bc}(t) = c$ if $t \in I_1$.
For each of these, the preimage of $\varnothing$ is $\varnothing$ and the preimage of $E$ is $[0,1]$ (this is a general fact about functions). As for the remaining two open subsets of $E$:
@nerdy My topology is (very) rusty. What do you need?
 
I heard that the concept of topology is always more abstract than the concept of metric. But, could this notion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helly_metric be carried to the topology environment ? Im thinking not. So in a sense, metric is not a subset of topology, they are simply two overlapping sets
 
6:18 PM
I don't understand what you want to achieve, @nerdy. Once you define a metric on a space, by definition you have a metric space...
Also, note that topological spaces are not more abstract than metric spaces but they are strictly more general, in the sense that a metric always induces a topology, but not every topological space is metrizable (i.e. allows the definition of a metric).
For example, topology gives you the minimal framework to work with limits (at least in the more or less classical sense), but to do some calculus (derivatives, integrals, ...) you need more than a generic topological space.
 
thank you @A.P.
 
@Gato It's the maximum modulus principle.
 
Hello!!! Is anyone familiar with differential equations and the Frobenius series?
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Q: Find solutions of the differential equation $3x^2y''+5xy'+3xy=0$.

evindaFind all the solutions of the form $y(x)= x^m \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_nx^n, \ x>0 (m \in \mathbb{R})$ of the differential equation $3x^2y''+5xy'+3xy=0$. That's what I have tried: Since $x>0$ the differential equation can be written as follows. $$y''+ \frac{5}{3x}y'+ \frac{1}{x}y=0$$ $$p(x)=\fra...

 
@DanielFischer you are right.
 
@infinitesimalsimplicio thanks for the link to gemsfromstackexchange. This is gold!
 
6:31 PM
You're very welcome @JMoravitz :D
 
Anyone know if and when one can expect to get Johnstone's "Sketches of an Elephant" again without paying more than 1000$?
 
@javra A hard copy?
I am pretty sure you can find a scanned copy arround
 
$\int ln(1+x^{2})dx$
This cannot be solved with a single U substitution.
How should I approach it, I'm pretty stumped.
Could you do some 'double' u substitution?
 
And world cat library. I would expect to pay a couple of hundred dollars though, when I check amazon volume 1 is about $260 (still incredibly expensive @javra
 
@Owatch yes, repeated substitution is allowed. However, I don't think that will help much in this case.
 
6:43 PM
Well, if I substitute x^2 for u, I get dx = 2u du
Wait no.
I could make it $\int{\frac{ln(1+u)du}{2x}}$
But I don't think that is helpful?
 
You're mixing up variables, and that's way wrong
Let me see what I can do with it
 
If u = x^2, then du = 2x dx.
 
@Paul Yea, I meant a hard copy. I read some parts on pdf, and I really like to have that book ^^. Why is it so expensive? Did they run out of prints?
 
so dx = du/2x
 
I feel like it will rely on a different trick, try integration by parts, with $u = x\ln(1+x^2)$ and $dv = \frac{1}{x}dx$ or some other variation like that
 
6:47 PM
So I have an integral I cannot solve, because I have x when it is in terms of U, but I have done the substitution correctly.
 
@Owatch That last operation is invalid, you're mixing up variables
 
It just doesn't solve the problem.
 
what context did you encounter it? If it was an exercise from the book, the section you found it in should provide some sort of hint on how to proceed.
 
I don't understand how I am mixing up variables.
I understand that it cannot be solved this way, and that I should not have x and U, or I should at least put x in terms of U.
 
$\frac{du}{2x}$ is invalid, the numerator is in terms of $u$ and the denominator is in terms of $x$
 
6:49 PM
Normally 2x will cancel out with something in the numerator.
 
@javra I am not sure, but it does look like you could check it out from a library (through world cat if a local one doesn't have a copy). I am sure you already know of it, but there is also Topos Theory, which is a dover book and at around $20
 
@Paul
yes i might resort to that one if i can't get a chep elephant
 
@Owatch The integrand needs to be in terms of the same variable
 
@Owatch okay, so do it via integration by parts. Set $u = ln(1+x^2)$ and $dv = dx$. You have then that $du = \frac{2x}{1+x^2}dx$ and $v = x$
 
You can't have a differential $du$ and $x$ at the same time, $x$ needs to be put in terms of $u$
 
6:53 PM
$\int u ~dv = uv - \int v~du$
 
I acknowledged that it was not in terms of u. But you made it sound like I had somehow performed the substitution that led to that 'incorrect' state wrong. So I went back and redid it.
 
So, $\int \ln(1+x^2) dx = x\ln(1+x^2) - \int \frac{2x^2}{1+x^2} dx$
this newest integral on the right should be solvable via a trig substitution
@Owatch follow?
 
Yes, I'm a ways back differentiating ln(1+x^2)!
Ok I caught up.
I will try to solve second piece.
 
The final trick will involve changing $\frac{2x^2}{1+x^2}$ into something a bit more convenient. We are always allowed to "add or subtract zero", just like we are always allowed to "multiply by one." Its what we "call" zero that makes a difference
 
Very nice catch with IBP/
I normally never think of dx as being multiplied by the rest.
Although it is.
 
6:59 PM
Notice that $\frac{2x^2}{1+x^2} = \frac{2x^2+0}{1+x^2} = \frac{2x^2+2-2}{1+x^2}$
 
Ay.
 
so $\int \ln(1+x^2)dx = x\ln(1+x^2)-\int \frac{2x^2}{1+x}dx = x\ln(1+x^2)-\int (2 - \frac{2}{1+x^2})dx$
 
$\int{\frac{2(x^{2}+1-1)}{x^{2}+1}}dx$
Not sure how you simplified it after this point?
 
$\frac{2x^2+2-2}{1+x^2} = \frac{2x^2+2}{1+x^2}+\frac{-2}{1+x^2} = \frac{2(1+x^2)}{1+x^2}-\frac{2}{1+x^2}$
$=2 - \frac{2}{1+x^2}$
 
Oh I see.
 
7:04 PM
So, the only challenge left is to finish $\int (2-\frac{2}{1+x^2})dx$
$=\int 2 dx - 2\int\frac{1}{1+x^2}dx$
the one on the left will become $2x$, and the one on the right you should recognize.
 
A simple trig substitution sorts the second integral right out
 
I don't recognise the identity it represents.
 
hey @jmor that manga is excellent! i'm about halfway through volume 2
 
I'm looking but I cannot find it.
 
Glad you liked the recommendation @meer2kat. @Owatch what happens if $x = \tan(u)$?
(different $u$ now than before)
 
7:10 PM
What do you mean what happens?
 
Plug it in and find out
 
What is the context?
Oh
 
try a "$u$-substitution" (more commonly called trig-substitution in this case, since we are using trig functions)
with $x = tan(u)$
i.e. $u = \arctan(x)$
 
It's silly to substitute twice using the same variable @JMoravitz, I was taught to use different variables for subsequent substitutions
 
of course., call it $w$ then. I was trying to allude to the fact that here we were using substitution again.
 
7:14 PM
$\int \frac{1}{tan^{2}u + 1}sec^{2}u du$
 
Yes. Now, does the bottom of the fraction simplify?
 
No, wrong.
 
$\tan^2(u)+1 = ?$
 
Why is there a $\sec^2(u)$ in the numerator?
 
from the change from $dx$ to $du$
 
7:15 PM
x = tan u
dx = $sec^{2}u du$
 
Oh, right
 
Then, I took dx.
And put in it's place
 
Its good @Owatch. Now, you should know that $\sin^2+\cos^2=1$. What if you divide both sides by $\cos^2$?
 
$sec^{2}udu$
 
@Owatch I understand my mistake, please move forward
 
7:16 PM
Then, $\frac{\sin^2}{\cos^2} + \frac{\cos^2}{\cos^2} = \frac{1}{\cos^2}$
 
Yes, I know than tan^2u + 1 = $sec^{2}u$
I think
 
Fun sequence. For n>=2: 5,21,85,341,1365....Any ideas?
 
Yes it does.
 
Wouldn't it simpler to observe what $\frac{\sec^2(u)}{\sec^2(u)}$ is equivalent to?
 
That starts at n=2
 
7:18 PM
$\int du$
 
Yes., so, using that to simplify your integral, $\int \frac{1}{x^2+1} dx = \int \frac{\sec^2(u)}{1+\tan^2(u)}du = \int \frac{\sec^2(u)}{\sec^2(u)}du = \int du = u+C$
But, remembering that $x=\tan(u)$, and $u=\arctan(x)$
 
Yes.
 
$\int\frac{1}{x^2+1} dx = \arctan(x) + C$
 
I got it then.
Verynice
 
Which is a basic integral that you should know @Owatch
 
7:19 PM
scrolling way up then, that should be all of the pieces we needed to finish the integral of $\int \ln(1+x^2)dx$
 
It's in the book, somewhere
 
It probably is.
But my professor said we should not memorise them. :(
I happen to just not know this one.
 
What the hell kind of professor would say that?
 
Mine.
 
I want to visit your college just to punch them in the face
 
7:21 PM
He proves everything.
 
Well, I never memorized identities like the half-angle formula or that $\tan^2+1 = \sec^2$,
I just rederive them any time I need them
 
It's true. He tells us we should only need to know sin and cos.
 
After sufficient practice, it should all become second nature
Back to the integral @Owatch
 
What do you mean?
I'm rewriting it right now.
Off scrap onto notepad/
I had a nice notebook for this.
I gave it to professor after the questions during the break so he could grade them easier.
But now he kept it.
:<
 
It's your notebook, ask him for it back
 
7:34 PM
Well, he has not returned the individual papers either. I think he just keeps anything you give him.
As in grades, then keeps.
I have many notebooks. I will survive.
I was excited for a moment there.
I thought my latest order had arrived.
 
@Owatch lol a professor stole your work
 
Technically, he kind of did.
I did maybe 15 problems of the 50 for tonight
Last class
And he took everyones progress.
He asked for the complete set this class. I skipped those I did already, and will have to tell him it's on the other papers he took.
 
Morning, @Jyrki.
 
But some people might be redoing them.
 
G'night, @MikeMiller:-)
 
7:44 PM
In any case, I hope my vacuum cleaner comes today.
 
Long time no see, though I don't hang out much in the business room. How's things?
 
Could be better. The recent drama (if you can call it that) has drained me a bit.
 
$\int x^{2}[cos(x^{3}+1)]dx$
What do the brackets indicate?
 
Understandable. I avoid it because I feel the same way, and I'm not even personally involved.
 
@Owatch The same thing that parenthesis do, just appearing slightly different so you can clearly see what is being grouped where
 
7:47 PM
Still no sign of the Math.SE swag they "promised" to new mods. So you should not wait for that coffee mug any time soon :-(
 
Okay, thanks.
 
Haha, I forgot about that. I'm satisfied that you remembered at all, @Jyrki.
 
If only my wife were equally content with my memory :-/
 
Just remember her coffee mugs now and then, @Jyrki.
 
LOL. It's been a while. I do wash up her tea cups regularly. May be that's enough.
So what's up here. I don't come too often. Looks like the usual business with integration bee.
 
7:55 PM
Depends on the hour. This hour it's integration. But it's seemed very quiet around here lately, I think.
 
Hello @JyrkiLahtonen
 
my presence ensures integration.
 
Olympic speedwalkers walk at a rate of 9.73 mph over 20km.
 
:-)
Hi, evinda! Did you get the p-adic problems sorted out?
 
Indeed Jyrki. I got meer2kat hooked on a manga called 数学ガール (suugaku ga-ru / maths girls)
 
7:56 PM
It also correlates with a drop in tee dogs mood it seems.
 
My patience is wearing thin lately is all, not because of you
 
Yes, I have understood them and I did well at the exams.. :) @JyrkiLahtonen
 
Did the music appreciation examination go over well?
 
Great, evinda. I was a bit worried for a while.
Oops. A new flag. Looks like I want to handle this one, as it rings a bell.
 
Yes, I aced it. Finished it in 10 minutes
 
7:59 PM
Did you spend much of the day prior listening to stuff?
 

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