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12:00 AM
@MikeMiller you sure?
 
da
think of it this way. what's the coefficient of $a^3b^4$ in $(a+b)^7$?
 
(7 3)
 
hi @Committing
 
now substitute
 
oh, your stellar teaching, @Mike?
 
12:02 AM
@TedShifrin How long until you retire?
 
Apparently it was actually stellar, @Ted. Average of about 8.2/9 across both section, and every comment was positive.
 
@MikeMiller it doesn't make it different because of the extra exponents?
 
mere weeks, @Committing ... You looking forward to being rid of me? :)
 
@TedShifrin Wait, so you are leaving here after retiring??
 
That's really awesome, @Mike. I'm pleased for you.
You have a high bar to keep raising now, @Mike.
 
12:02 AM
@meer2kat We're substituting $x^2$ for $a$ and $y^3$ for $b$. You'll get the same result.
You might try a test case: what happens when you write down $(x^2+y^3)^3$, ansd what do you get when you do $(a+b)^3$ and then substitute $a=x^2, b=y^3$?
 
Probably squaring is good enough for a test case, @meer2
 
@TedShifrin Isn't retiring sad? I feel like it would be sad
 
@Committing: I have done a good job for close to 40 years. I'd rather go out on top, rather than degenerating into incompetent and not caring.
I had about 15 students in office hours for 1 1/2+ hours today, @Committing. it gets tiring :P
 
@Ted: We'll see if I do as well when I TA complex analysis next quarter.
 
@TedShifrin They were in as a group, or for 1.5+ hours you were getting them in sequence?
 
12:06 AM
Not to mention 5 advising appointments, and 3 of them didn't even show up. Very pissed off.
 
it makes sense @mike i think my prof just confused me
 
A group, @Committing, from two different classes. Some people left, others showed up.
Complex analysis is a lot more challenging, @Mike.
Is the prof good?
 
No idea. He's a postdoc (as was the linear algebra instructor).
 
I will be back, just have to go walk somewhere
 
12:07 AM
Have a good hike, @Committing.
 
Cya later anyone else who will leave soon
 
Well, @Mike, some postdocs are superb; others are terrible ... and some are in between. Oh well :)
 
I'll email him soon to see what he wants me to do as the TA. I wonder what we'll cover.
 
Is there a separate grader, @Mike, or do you do a recitation and grade?
 
For upper division, the latter. For lower division, the former.
 
12:12 AM
I presume complex be the latter.
 
Aye.
 
or jay, if you're a physicist.
 
Get outta here.
 
OK ... bubye.
 
:P
Looks like we do the standard topics. Maybe I'll talk about FTA after we do Liouville's, if that's not already covered in class.
 
12:20 AM
We're doing those topics soon in Complex Analysis
 
math is easy they said. it will be fun they said cries forever
 
I think easy things are not that fun
I only get annoyed when I can't even attempt exercises or problems simply because I can't understand the concepts required to tackle them
 
okay, @mike can you help me out one more time? what if you had say $x^6y^12$ again and you want to find the coefficient for something like $((x/y)^2+y^6)^{10}$ ?
 
Well, like before, think of it like this. Let $a = (x/y)^2$ and $b = y^6$. How do you write $x^6 y^{12}$ as a product of powers of $a$ and $b$?
 
x^{12} gives $x^{12}$, just to make it a bit easier to read
 
12:28 AM
On my phone so I don't see errors in ChatJax. Thanks for the correction.
 
@PaulPlummer thanks
@MikeMiller do what?
 
I want you to write it as $a^j b^k$ for some $j,k$.
 
No problem,
 
@MikeMiller so like a=$x^2/y^2$, b=$y^6$, so ab is $x^2y^4$ ?
 
Right.
The idea being you want to rewrite this as $(a+b)^{10}$ and extract the right coefficient from it.
 
12:31 AM
So we just pull in the coefficients and simplify and then we treat it like a normal problem
thanks!
i really need to review this stuff more
 
The moral of the story is :A physicist and a mathematician are sitting in a faculty lounge. Suddenly, the coffee machine catches on fire. The physicist grabs a bucket and leap towards the sink, filled the bucket with water and puts out the fire. Second day, the same two sit in the same lounge. Again, the coffee machine catches on fire. This time, the mathematician stands up, got a bucket, hands the bucket to the physicist, thus reducing the problem to a previously solved one. @meer2kat
where $(a+b)^n$ is a physicist holding a bucket
 
1:12 AM
@MikeMiller Did Kaj solve his problem?
 
dunno
 
1:45 AM
200th day here apparently
 
@Committingtoachallenge 320 here
 
Nice
My old main account probably has an extra 120 on it :)
Maybe more, it is 9 months older than this
 
@Committingtoachallenge Why did you change accounts
 
@ᴇʏᴇs Two reasons:
1) I wasn't able to ask any question on there, since I didn't want to make people look down on me for asking dumb questions, e.g. I was emotionally attached to my account
So I started this one and asked two really dumb questions that I already knew the answer to(now both deleted I believe), just so I wouldn't feel bad for asking any other dumb questions.
 
@Committingtoachallenge So what do you do on your other account then
 
1:51 AM
2) Many of my questions were really trivial, and if friends at university found my account they would probably judge me for them. Whereas the two ones at the start of this would both be outliers, and I could just palm them off as trolls
@ᴇʏᴇs It's just sitting there
I have asked four questions on it this year and over 80 in total
And it has ~10 answers
And somewhere in 500-1000 rep
I have almost the same rep as you :)
 
@Committingtoachallenge I've already told everyone I'm dumb so nobody is surprised when I ask obvious questions
 
@ᴇʏᴇs It's a good idea :)
In fact I have read it is one of the most effective manipulation tools
 
@Committingtoachallenge What is
 
Claiming to be dumb to the people around you(whether it is true or not)
 
Well I just don't want to misrepresent myself
If I were smart I would probably brag about it and show off my skills constantly
 
2:03 AM
I just noticed today's Google Doodle honors Emmy Noether. Happy Birthday!
 
@PaulPlummer hahaha i like it
@ᴇʏᴇs i feel that life
 
The version of that story I know starts with an engineer, then a physicist (who uses only enough water to put out the fire) then the mathematician.
 
There are tons of version of that story,.
 
oh yeah. and they always favor one of the three. i used to love the ones that favor the engineer
 
I am pretty sure they all favor the mathematician, just the engineers are to clueless to get it :P
 
2:12 AM
This is my favorite math/physics/engineering joke:
There's an old joke. A mathematician, a physicist and a engineer are asked by a student what the meaning of $$\int \frac{1}{dx}$$ is.

The mathematician says it is meaningless.

The physicist ponders it for a moment and wonders if there is some way to give it meaning.

The engineer says, "Hmmmm, I used to know how to do that."
3
 
I don't get it :(
 
hahahah that's so true
 
@ThomasAndrews Yes, so much yes
@ᴇʏᴇs You don't have any engineer friends, or any experience in engineering courses?
 
@Committingtoachallenge Our school doesn't have an engineering program
 
that's so sad
 
2:17 AM
Our school is mainly known as a music/arts/drama school
 
Well pretty much as an engineer you surface learn everything in math
 
oh yeah. the most common freak out from my engineering friends is "I DON'T REMEMBER THIS MATH ANYMORE"
 
So there are two interpretations I suppose, my interpretation: You learn math so poorly that you honestly think you had once solved something like that, since it looks familiar, and you surface learnt math to such an extent that you can't see why it is meaningless, and the second interpretation, Engineers are generally extremely arrogant
 
Oh
 
'Yeah I could do that in the past, but I don't really care for Math it was boring and easy'
The first is funnier(in my opinion), especially since I am still recovering from the year of engineering I did xD
What does an element of $\Bbb C^4$ look like?
Because $C$ is a 2-tuple
is it an $4$ tuple of $2$ tuples?
 
2:25 AM
If that is how you want to think of it, yes
 
So like $((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2),...,(x_4,y_4))$?
 
if $...=(x_3,y_3)$
 
Or equivalently(but maybe better notation), $(a+ib,c+jd,e+kf,g+lh)$
 
And you represent complex numbers as tuples
 
The second way can be a vector, though I suppose
So I guess that is what I want
 
2:29 AM
The other can be a vector
 
Well in the sense that it is equivalent the first can be, but I imagine you would want it in the form of the second
 
Why would you?
 
Otherwise it is a bunch of matrices in a matrix
Oh I am trying to work with $B:\Bbb C^4 \times \Bbb C^4 \to \Bbb C$ with $B(x,y)=x^T M y$ where $M$ is some $4\times 4 $ matrix
 
That makes sense, most people would right it like that, although you don't need to change to $j,k,l$
 
Hey, guys, do me a favor, tell me if this link works
 
2:34 AM
Oh yes, I just meant the 2-tuples becoming a '1-tuple'
 
I can open the link
 
Is this the octonions I am dealing with? The quarternions I believe I just read are $\Bbb C^2$
 
(It's an unfinished document, which is why only two problems have solutions)
 
@columbus8myhw It works for me also
 
I am not to familiar, but the octions have a certain operation, and I don't think it is the one inherited from just looking at the products of $\mathbb{C}$
 
2:38 AM
OK
 
Just like $\mathbb{C}$ is not $\mathbb{R}^2$ with the operations inherited from $\mathbb{R}$.
 
Yes very true
 
By the way, you can prove that $1-1/2+1/3-\dotsb$ sums to $\ln2$ without calc, if you assume that $e^x\ge x+1$.
 
Since we have multiplication in $\Bbb C$
 
needs to go
bai
PS I found a typo in that. derp
 
2:57 AM
I don't really understand bilinear mapping
 
Hi.
 
So I need two vector spaces to map to a third
so $V\times W = X$
and I need $V$ and $W$ to be linear... with respect to...
@JasperLoy Hey JL
 
@Committingtoachallenge I am upset because I did a number of things these few days that made me worse, unintentionally of course. Now I need to try to fix it.
 
I need homogeneity and additivity, but with what
@JasperLoy Did a few things meaning?
 
A few weird things leading to more OCD themes.
 
3:00 AM
I don't know what that means haha
 
I mean to keep it vague. Telling the details to you is pointless too.
 
You haven't explained almost anything in regards to the OCD aspect
@JasperLoy Well it would be informative in regards to my understanding of OCD
 
@Committingtoachallenge Anyway I am going to bed in 1 hour.
 
About that thing I wrote (htmlpublish.com/newTestDocStorage/DocStorage/…), that's a very early draft, which is why it looks unfinished. In any case, now you have puzzles to try to solve!
i actually need to go for realsies now.
 
@Committingtoachallenge I just want you to know how painful it is. You get better and then something happens and then you get worse.
@Committingtoachallenge It's very heartbreaking.
 
3:05 AM
sup @jas
 
Hi @meer2kat do you usually wear glasses?
 
@JasperLoy now i do. not because of my vision though. i have fantastic vision 20/13.
 
What are the glasses for?
 
@JasperLoy fun? fashion? your pick
 
I wear glasses when I go out.
They resemble Spiderman's glasses.
 
3:08 AM
that's cool!
glasses are cool
 
At home I don't need them to see.
 
#reference
 
What is reference?
 
Don't you feel like a person going around in a wheel chair but can walk? @meer2kat
 
@PaulPlummer uh what?
@JasperLoy oh. glasses are cool...it's a reference to a thing
 
3:12 AM
You wear glasses even though you have no reason
 
@meer2kat Can I share with you something that bothers me now?
 
@PaulPlummer I have a reason
@JasperLoy sure?
 
@meer2kat Sometimes, I need to do something to resolve my OCD issues. But then instead of thinking clearly and making the right decisions and getting some help from others, I sometimes make the wrong decisions and end up getting people to do some things which don't help. When I realise it later, I will need their help again to fix it and I am afraid I would upset them. I try to minimise upsetting people, but sometimes I make mistakes and need more help than if I had thought clearly.
 
@JasperLoy Everyone does that. OCD or not. Actually let me message you something really quick. Hang on
 
@meer2kat So, I just hope that I won't upset them, and I hope that they would still help me in the end. Something like that. And then I feel guilty that I had ruined it all again with the mistake I just made.
 
3:16 AM
here accept my request really quick. i have a youtube link for you
i'll leave that room once you have a chance to watch it. it's super sad. but i dunno, it made me think of the issues you're talking about
 
@meer2kat I watched it, and I am back.
 
did you like it? i think that poetry is the way to find the deepest thought and the most humanity that we have as people
 
OCD can be very debilitating. It has taken away my whole life. I try to fix it, but it's hard. Mine is a really complicated case now.
 
i'm sure it is. i think that poem gave me an insight in to what it must be like. or as close an insight as i can get without actually having it
 
A square matrix with nonzero entries only along its main diagonal we call a "diagonal matrix". What of a matrix with all nonzero entries the diagonal specifically above that? A super diagonal matrix? Generalizing further, what name should be used for a matrix with nonzero entries only along the $k^{th}$ diagonal to the up-right from the main diagonal?
 
3:25 AM
@meer2kat That's why I often think I need a higher power to help me, which is why I always ask people to pray for me.
 
of course
@JMoravitz a magic?
 
@JMoravitz A Jordan form
@JMoravitz (For the super diagonal case) with eigenvalues $0$
 
@JMoravitz Magic Matrix. The second and much less maturely rated sequel to Magic Mike
 
@meer2kat You know, every time I think I have nailed it, something unexpected happens and then all my efforts seem wasted.
 
@JasperLoy that's how i feel about money.
 
3:27 AM
well, yes., though I'm trying to prove something about jordan forms @ commitin, but even more generally I'm trying to prove a result about powers of jordan blocks
 
@meer2kat You mean you waste money on things you don't need?
 
@JMoravitz What is the question?
 
and that would only work for the superdiagonal (one offset) case, and i'm trying to use an appropriate name for the third, fourth, ... kth powers of a jordan block
 
@JMoravitz Are you doing problems in nilpotency?
 
@JasperLoy no i mean my job doesn't quite fulfill the requirements of bills so everytime i think i'm good to go a bill comes up and ruins my mask of financial security. aka, college.
 
3:29 AM
@meer2kat Oh OK. I am sure you will pay it all back one day.
 
Oh, I'm pretty sure I've got the proof worked out, however its frustrating to write. Letting $M$ be an $n\times n$ matrix with complex entries, prove that if $M^n = I$ that $M$ is diagonalizable.
 
Oh I just did that question last week!
 
by putting it in Jordan Normal Form, by properties of block matrices you have $J^k = diag[J_i^k]$
 
@JasperLoy i mean it's not debt. it's just running out
UGH I finally understood this dang problem and I'm wrong
 
By labeling $J_i = \lambda_i I + S$ where $S$ is the superdiagonal matrix of ones,
 
3:31 AM
You can prove that you may only have $1\times 1$ jordan blocks and then you are done
 
by the binomial theorem you'll get $J_i^n = \lambda_i^n I + \binom{n}{1} S + \binom{n}{2} S^2 + \dots + \binom{n}{n} S^n$
 
Your proof is much harder than it should be I think
It's about half a page of working
Or even less with a minimal polynomial method that I don't know yet
 
Me: AHA! It's 6 choose 3!
No it's not.
Me: But I can't even solve this. It's not possible without a fraction. And fractions aren't allowed.
Are you sure because I think they are.
Me: Hits head on table.
 
Well, I'm trying to show that $S^k$ is the superduperdiagonal matrix of ones, to show that the summands have no way of cancelling one another
for whatever appropriate name should be used for superduperdiagonal matrices
 
What class is this for?
 
3:35 AM
Galois Theory, this is just the first step in proving Kummer's Theorem
Let $n$ be a positive integer and let $F$ be a subfield of $\mathbb{C}$ containing $\mu_n$, the $n^{th}$ roots of unity. Let $K/F$ be a Galois extension with cyclic Galois group $G$ of order $n$. Then $K=F(\sqrt[n]{\beta})$ for some $\beta\in F$.
 
Haven't done any of that stuff
I have to get back to work now, best of luck!
 
I am going to sleep now, I will email you and tell you more about my OCD @Committingtoachallenge @meer2kat.
 
night @jas
 
Hi @JMoravitz
 
3:46 AM
G'evenin
 
Nice profile picture you have there
 
/nods. What can I say, I enjoy my boardgames.
Now if only there were more uses for my d30's cough
 
hehe
 
Come to think of it... I don't think I've ever used my d30's yet... still fun to have them though. Maybe once in order to randomly determine the day of the month for a scenario,
 
got one with 31 sides?
Might your love for the dice shine some light on one of my questions btw? ;)
 
3:53 AM
Q: To insure a 99% probability that all 30,000 calls are handled for a given day, how many call center employees need to be present for that day?

Average= 100
STD Dev = 15
 
Is rubito = ropstah, else what is @Ropstah's question?
 
Good night, and happy Noether Day, everybody!
 
@JMoravitz rubito != ropstah
5
Q: Mathematical properties of two dimensional projection of three dimensional rotated object

RopstahPlease be gentle as I do not have any degree in maths. By using a compass/straighedge method to construct Metatron's cube, a regular dodecahedron can be inferred from intersecting points. I'm looking for the ratio between the lengths of the edges (blue) of the dodecahedron and the radius of the ...

 
@JMoravitz I think my question is separate from @Ropstah
To elaborate on my question, why is the Z-score of 99% a -2.33 not 2.33? Why is it negative?
 
@Rubito Let $X_i$ be the random variable for how many calls the $i^{th}$ callcenter employee can handle. Assuming the employee's stats are independent, then $E[\sum\limits_{i=1}^k X_i] = k\cdot 100$ and $Var[\sum\limits_{i=1}^k X_i] = k\cdot 15$ (unless I made a mistake somewhere)
 
3:59 AM
MathJax does not want to load today on Math SE. Any ideas what I can do besides use ChatJax for every page?
 
as for z-scores, you have that $Pr(Z\geq 2.33) = .01 = Pr(Z\leq -2.33)$
 
@Clarinetist The mathjax CDN was down for me since yesterday, i updated my bookmark to use a different CDN
 
Oh man, ChatJax doesn't even want to work
O_o
 
can some one explain why i don't multiply the contents of the brackets for this expression when clearing the fraction:
7/11(x - 6) = 7

I'm multiplying by 11 if that matters
 
@rubito depending on your table, most show the area below the curve to the left of the point in question.
so you need to use the $\leq$ version on the probability
 
4:01 AM
This is what the book says:z=-2.33= T-E(T)/alpha_T = 30,000-100n/15*sqrt(n)
 
any one ?
 
@JMoravitz ohh I see what you mean
 
@Ropstah so much geometry, if I were to attempt it it would take a long while
 
how would I approach such a thing?
I have a lot of it in my 3d rendering engine
i still need some steps to calculate intersecting points to make the dodecahedron, but a lot of plumbing is done and i can rotate the entire object nicely
 
Would it be right to assume that the number of callers needed is n~~306.11?
 
4:05 AM
Are you able to tell perhaps from knowledge that assumption #2 is fact?
 
@rubito I had made a mistake. $Var[\sum\limits_{i=1}^k X_i] = $ since they are assumed independent $ = k Var(X_i) = k 15^2$, so stddev is $\sqrt{k}15$. We are looking for the least $k$ such that $Pr(\sum X_i \leq 30000) = .99$
 
I got trolled really hard by some fellow cs students today
 
we'll definitely need more than 300 callers (since if we had exactly 300 then that probability would only be 50%). By how much remains to be seen
 
it was quite sad really
 
4:11 AM
@JMoravitz So to find the answer I must solve for k?
 
You would have as mentioned previously that $Pr(Z\leq 2.33)=.99$, so we try and get $X=\sum X_i$ such that $X\leq E[X] + 2.33 \sqrt{Var[X]} = 30000$
So, try and solve $E[X] + 2.33\sqrt{Var[X]} = 30000$, gives you $k\cdot 300 + 2.33\cdot \sqrt{k}\cdot 15 = 30000$
this is quadratic in $\sqrt{k}$,
I see now that I made a transcription error. $E[X] = 100\cdot k$, not $300\cdot k$
$100(\sqrt{k})^2 + 34.95 (\sqrt{k}) - 30000 = 0$, by quadratic formula gives me $\sqrt{k} = 17.14...$
so I feel as though I'm still making an error calculating somewhere, as that gives me $k\approx 294$
 
How do you add pictures to chat? I want to show you the slides that present the problem
 
To the right of the 'send' button there is the 'upload' button
 
I don't have that button. I'll find a way shortly
 
Mayhaps I have the direction on the inequalities mixed up. We want 99% chance that 30000+ calls get answered,
 
4:23 AM
@DonLarynx What how?
 
$Pr(X\geq 30000)\geq .99$
 
@JMoravitz Yeah so that should be -2.33
 
Has anyone dealt with the sympletic matrices on $\mathfrak{sp}_4$?
 
since 1-.9901 = .0099 = -2.33
 
How did they troll you @Don?
 
4:26 AM
yea, that'll change things around a bit. so $X\geq E[X]-2.33\sqrt{Var[X]}=30000$, giving us $k\cdot 100 - 2.33\cdot \sqrt{k}\cdot 15 = 30000$, and the quadratic equation $100(\sqrt{k})^2 - 34.95(\sqrt{k})-30000=0$
 
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solving this time gives us $\sqrt{k}\approx 17.496$, and from there $17.496^2\approx 306.11$
 
since if we lower the number of people a bit, our probability will drop below 99%, and we can't have a fraction number of people., we'll use 307 employees then
 
@Committingtoachallenge You should just ask the question if you have a specific one.
 
4:29 AM
Hmmm it isn't a well formulated question
$\mathfrak{sp}_4$ denotes the set of all matrices $X$ such that $$X^T M + M X =0$$
The M wasn't defined in this question, but the previous question had $$M=\begin{bmatrix}0&0&1&0\\0&0&0&1\\-1&0&0&0\\0&-1&0&0\end{bmatrix}$$
 
I am guessing you are working over $\mathbb{C}$
 
@JMoravitz So 307 is the right answer?
 
That seems to be, yes
 
Can you explain what E(T) means here? I know that in a Z score formula it would be the mean but is it the same here?
 
4:35 AM
It seems in the lectureslides, they are using $X$ to be the random variable for an individual employee's performance (whereas I labeled it as $X_i$), and they are using $T$ to be the random variable for the total combined performance of all employees (whereas I used $X=\sum X_i$)
$E[T]$ is the expected value of $T$, i.e. the number of calls that the employees field in total.
or are capable of fielding rather
in the lecture slides, they are using $n$ for the number of employees (whereas I had used $k$)
 
@Committingtoachallenge Did you have a question about $\mathfrak{sp}_4$? (maybe you are still typing
 
MSE pedagogy question: How do people deal with situations like these. I've almost given the answer away :/
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1203763/prove-fx-0-for-all-x-in-a-b/1203776#1203776
 
Oh sorry my tutor responded so I stopped here and started on the question
 
Great! Thanks a lot man, I was mainly confused as to why the Z score was negative and I wasn't sure my answer was right. But, we seem to have the same answer now.

Thanks again!
 
My question was, is that likely the same $M$ I should use here, and the answer was yes
@KajHansen My thoughts are that you should stop helping them
@KajHansen If you keep helping them, you will probably make them fail their exams
 
4:40 AM
@Committingtoachallenge, I probably won't reply again and force him to figure the rest out on his own. It'll be more satisfying that way anyways.
 
@KajHansen I agree
 
For the most part, people don't do that though. I rarely have this problem.
But it's annoying every time it comes up.
 
@KajHansen @Commi eh, its a tough call anyways. I don't know how much more I might have said in a proof beyond that $\mathbb{Q}$ is dense anyways
 
I think he should have put up some of his work also
 
@JMoravitz, I admit that I tend to give away more than I probably should in general. I'm actively trying to work on this though because mathematical pedagogy interests me.
 
4:42 AM
@kaj I wouldn't respond or just tell them at this point they should think about it more, and that you explaining the situation won't help them understand. Plus the guy is a math grad, should be able to do some independent thinking.
 
Well that is probably really rude so I will delete that
@KajHansen It interests me aswell, and MSE is an amazing platform for improving teaching abilities. I look forward to the day when I can answer peoples questions atleast once a day(that are of an interesting level)
 
That what I ended up doing earlier today in chat, I don't necessarily think they were fishing for answers but it seemed like the best way to help after you practically gave them the answer but they are still not getting it. I think they just become relient on the leading and stop thinking about the problem themselves @kaj
 
I must go to a lecture now, have fun guys
 
@Kaj @Paul wow... just wow... did he really just post that comment?
he has inequality signs in opposite directions in the same line trying to prove something
 
4:57 AM
0.0
 
I have a lot of work to get done anyways so I'm going to just leave it alone @JMoravitz
 
Another hint that the person is to use to people leading him to the answer is that they end everything with a question mark to see if the people doing the leading thinks it is right instead of trying to work through it. They are basically guessing and not thinking through it. @jmoravitz
 
5:48 AM
morning
 
Hey hey
 
what's up
 
 
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7:14 AM
What's a good book on probability theory?
 
Oops, missed your message @MikeMiller. Just finishing up some homework.
 
8:43 AM
@PaulPlummer i found in a book this : since ]-\varepsilon,\varepsilon[\cap \overline {A} is infinit it is not connected
 
There are open, infinite sets, so I am not sure what it is talking about. @Vrouvrou
 
me too i don't understand
@PaulPlummer do you agree with me if i say that : $]-\varepsilon,\varepsilon[\cap \overline{A}=(]-\varepsilon,-\frac1x[\cap \overline{A})\cup (]-\frac1x, \varepsilon[\cap \overline{A})$ for $0<\frac1x<\varepsilon$ or this
 
@vrouvrou Its true but one of those is the empty set
 
ohhh why ?
 
$\overline{A}$ has no negative elements
 
8:53 AM
ohh so $]-\varepsilon, -\frax1x[ \cap \overline{A}=\emptyset $
 
Also Shalop proves the result, is there something that you don't understand in the proof?
yes
 
juste the neighborhood of 0 is $]-\varepsilon,\varepsilon[\cap \overline{A}$
not $]-\varepsilon,\varepsilon[\cap A$
 
Looks like a typo
 
ok thank you @PaulPlummer
have a nice day
 
No problem @vrouvrou
 
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