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Kit Z. Fox

3:00 AM

This project is a major dependency for the top-priority enterprise project this year.

He's supposed to hand the code off to SQA next week, and he's not even done with the feeds yet.

tchrist

Somebody bet the farm on an unfamiliar tech?

Kit Z. Fox

Unfamiliar tech that no one else in the whole institution knows anything about.

That has no recovery plan, other than server loss.

Etc etc

Totally unsecured too. You could access the datastore.

tchrist

Something is very wrong with the decision making process then. That should have been redflagged and never made it past CTO approval.

Kit Z. Fox

I agree. I don't understand how this guy is still working here.

He has been here for three years, and has not had a single successful project yet.

Business despises working with him.

tchrist

Don't they fire people there?

Kit Z. Fox

3:04 AM

He's had employees quit under him.

@tchrist They do. They've done so since I've been here. That's what is mind-boggling.

He must have some kind of dirt on somebody.

Because seriously, wtf?

tchrist

You know, I really don't care how smart somebody is if they're an asshole.

Kit Z. Fox

I thought it was just that management doesn't have the expertise to know that his code is shit and his decisions are crappy.

tchrist

And a smart person would have had successful projects.

Cerberus

Hey, would you guys do me a favour? I'd like to know the exact description this site gives of your Flash plug-in, if you have it installed:

panopticlick.eff.org

Kit Z. Fox

But it's like he goes out of his way to make his shit fail.

Cerberus

3:05 AM

> Browser Plugin Details
21.25

2500667

Plugin 0: Shockwave Flash; Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0; NPSWF32_16_0_0_305.dll; (Adobe Flash movie; application/x-shockwave-flash; swf) (FutureSplash movie; application/futuresplash; spl).

This is what mine says.

So I wonder what makes that so unique, 21.25 bits of uniqueness.

tchrist

> Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 5,001,344 tested so far.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 22.25 bits of identifying information.

Cerberus

Only one in 2.5 million people have this, apparently.

Yes, I get the same result.

Kit Z. Fox

> Plugin ##: Shockwave Flash; Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0; NPSWF32_16_0_0_305.dll; (Adobe Flash movie; application/x-shockwave-flash; swf) (FutureSplash movie; application/futuresplash; spl). Plugin ##: Shockwave Flash; Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0; pepflashplayer.dll; (Shockwave Flash; application/x-shockwave-flash; swf) (FutureSplash Player; application/futuresplash; spl).

My fonts give me away.

Cerberus

Hmm it appears you get more info, but it looks like useless info. But it still makes you "different" from my thingy.

It can't see my fonts.

Kit Z. Fox

And even a not smart person would have successful projects, just by not interfering.

tchrist

3:08 AM

I wonder why your fonts give you away.

Cerberus

@tchrist So what does it say about your Flash plug-in, if you have it?

> System Fonts
2.4

5.29

No Flash or Java fonts detected

Kit Z. Fox

I mean, I've had like 8 releases this year. A few fixes, but no fails.

tchrist

> Plugin 12: Shockwave Flash; Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0; Flash Player.plugin; (Shockwave Flash; application/x-shockwave-flash; swf) (FutureSplash Player; application/futuresplash; spl). Plugin 13: Shockwave Flash; Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0; PepperFlashPlayer.plugin; (Shockwave Flash; application/x-shockwave-flash; swf) (FutureSplash Player; application/futuresplash; spl).

Cerberus

Ah, no dll.

Wait, are you on Mac?

tchrist

> System fonts:
Abadi MT Condensed Extra Bold, Abadi MT Condensed Light, Adobe Caslon Pro, Adobe Garamond Pro, Aegean, Aegyptus, Akkadian, Al Bayan, Al Nile, Al Tarikh, Alexander, Alfios, American Typewriter, Anaktoria, Analecta, Andale Mono, Apple Braille, Apple Chancery, Apple Color Emoji, Apple LiGothic, Apple LiSung, Apple SD Gothic Neo, Apple Symbols, AppleGothic, AppleMyungjo, Arial, Arial Black, Arial Hebrew, Arial Narrow, Arial Rounded MT Bold, Arial Unicode MS, Arno Pro, Aroania, Atavyros, Athelas, Avdira, Avenir, Avenir Next, Avenir Next Condensed, Ayuthaya, Baghdad, Bangla MN, Ba…

Cerberus

3:10 AM

That would explain it.

tchrist

@Cerberus DUH!!!!!

Cerberus

My mind blocks it.

But anyway, apparently you can block it from seeing your fonts.

tchrist

It can’t see the fonts on Safari, only on Chrome.

Cerberus

Hmm.

I'm on Firefox.

tchrist

I pasted the Chrome fonts. It found nothing from Safari.

I can see why my fonts fail to give me away as anybody in particular.

Well, except as a font collector. :)

crl

3:18 AM

@KitZ.Fox Can you explain me how you run a chatbot

Kit Z. Fox

@crl Run what?

Oh the bot?

crl

sorry

Kit Z. Fox

I run her under a different user.

crl

I've tried running the bookmarklet-dev

Kit Z. Fox

Are you running the bot?

tchrist

3:19 AM

> User Agent
16.45
89309.75
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_9_5) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.94 Safari/537.36
HTTP_ACCEPT Headers
22.25+
5001346
text/html, */* gzip, deflate es,en-CA;q=0.8,en;q=0.6,en-US;q=0.4,fr;q=0.2,pt-PT;q=0.2,pt;q=0.2,it-IT;q=0.2,it;q=0.2

Odd.

Kit Z. Fox

!!define world

hmm.

crl

@KitZ.Fox I don't understand what is necessary to run

only the bookmarklet?, bookmarklet-dev rather else the bot doesn't answer to itself

Kit Z. Fox

The script runs under a chat user account.

If you run the script, then your account will respond to the commands.

tchrist

I see something curious: my plugin profile is full of Spanish.

Kit Z. Fox

If I recall correctly. It's been months.

crl

3:20 AM

So I should start by forking the project and run a script somewhere

tchrist

> Plugin 2: Default Browser Helper; Proporciona información sobre el navegador web por omisión; Plugin 10: QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.3; QuickTime Plug-in permite visualizar una amplia variedad de material multimedia en páginas web. Para más información, visite la web <A HREF=apple.com/es/quicktime>QuickTime</A>;.

I’m sure most people don’t run that way.

Kit Z. Fox

@crl You could, but really you need a chatbot user, which you'd have to have a sock for.

crl

@KitZ.Fox why not using simply our user

Kit Z. Fox

I'd give you mine, but I'm rather fond of her, and anyway I'm sure I don't remember her creds.

@crl Well, you can, if you don't mind not controlling your responses.

tchrist

I’ve had my computer in "Spanish mode" for the past few months for work reasons. It is remarkable what changes out on the web — and what doesn’t.

But the what-changes is more remarkable for its surprising widespreadery than the what-doesn’t is for its expectedness.

crl

3:26 AM

@KitZ.Fox Sorry but I'm still confused, what should I do to run the bot on my account, the bookmarklet right? only that? I tried but it didn't replied to commands. Well simply what steps did you do to make it work?

!!> 1

tchrist

@Cerb Only ¹⁄₅₀₀₁₃₄₆ browsers has my accept headers. I feel so special!

And yes, it was at 5,001,346 tested when it ran, so nobody yet tested has my idiosyncratic accept headers.

crl

@KitZ.Fox that's what I see when running bookmarklet-dev: i.imgur.com/bIswg8x.png

Kit Z. Fox

!! define world

tchrist

I don’t even remember setting that up. I just wanted stuff I could read.

Kit Z. Fox

@crl You can't invoke yourself.

But I don't remember if you had to do anything else.

tchrist

3:29 AM

I thought you got your bot from our French friend in the first place?

Kit Z. Fox

I can't seem to invoke you either.

crl

well then can you type "!!> 1" it should work on me then..

Kit Z. Fox

@tchrist KitSox? No, I invented her.

tchrist

oh

Kit Z. Fox

!!> 1

You're not responding to the define command either.

crl

3:30 AM

Object {event_type: 1, time_stamp: 1423107000, content: "!!> 1", id: 37109506, user_id: 15060…} "parseMessage invalid" ... again

Kit Z. Fox

Well, looks like your parser is busted.

crl

hmm well, I'm just using the standard script

javascript:(function(){var a=document.createElement("script");a.src="https://rawgithub.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot‌/master/master.js";a.onload=function(){bot.activateDevMode();};document.head.appe‌ndChild(a)})();

I'm missing something, well nvm, I'll try to ask the other guys in the JS room

Kit Z. Fox

Sorry. It's been too long and I've forgotten everything.

tchrist

4:12 AM

Woodchuck bites Wisconsin mayor on Groundhog Day.

Cerberus

4:55 AM

@tchrist Mm yeah, it says the same about my single plugin, Flash...

I don't quite trust it.

infinitesimal

6:10 AM

Thanks @Robusto for the article:-)

Johan Larsson

7:33 AM

facebook.com/…

Dunno if you can view it

A Beautiful Mind

9:30 AM

Hello @matt

infinitesimal

newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/02/pursuit-beauty

@ABeautifulMind^

Matt E. Эллен

hi @ABeautifulMind

A Beautiful Mind

@MattE.Эллен You read my email?

Matt E. Эллен

I read it this morning :)

A Beautiful Mind

I am a bit full, will just eat some cornflakes for dinner.

Matt E. Эллен

9:34 AM

tasty cornflakes

A Beautiful Mind

Will you be replying?

Matt E. Эллен

do you want a reply?

A Beautiful Mind

It's up to you.

I guess maybe you only have bad things to say to me now.

Matt E. Эллен

OK :)

A Beautiful Mind

Is that right, that you only have bad things to tell me?

Matt E. Эллен

9:38 AM

@ABeautifulMind no, you just didn't ask any questions, so I didn't know if you wanted me to say amything or if you were just getting stuff off your chest

A Beautiful Mind

@MattE.Эллен OK. I think I mostly wanted to just talk about it.

Matt E. Эллен

11:11 AM

I want to close the question and I want to answer the question. gah. I wish people would ask good questions that I can answer