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11:11 AM
I just put on a hat.
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Cool
:D
 
Give that man a star!
@JasperLoy did anything I just said make sense to you?
 
@skullpatrol Yes. Thanks.
 
Thanks for trying.
 
11:17 AM
@skullpatrol Have you decided who to vote for in the math election?
 
I don't vote
 
Notable bear market rallies occurred in the Dow Jones index after the 1929 stock market crash leading down to the market bottom in 1932
Does this mean the rallies occurred in 1932 and after?
 
yes
it's a pretty bad sentences
 
yeah
i think it should be "after...crash having lead down to..."
what do you think?
 
I can't tell if the rallies or the crash lead to the market bottom
 
11:31 AM
is my understanding wrong then?
 
@JasperLoy listen
 
assuming the crash lead to the bottom "After the Dow Jones index crash in 1929, which lead down to the market bottom in 1932, notable bear market rallies occurred."
 
but the sentence is "after the crash led down to the bottom in 1932, the rallies occurred."
 
or if the rallies occurred after the bottom "After the market bottom in 1932, caused by the 1929 crash, notable bear market ralies occurred."
 
yeah the second is my interpretation
both are possible then?
 
11:34 AM
it's also possible to interpret it "After the 1929 crash there were notable bear market rallies, which lead to the market bottom in 1932"
@user4215 yes
 
thanks
The Japanese Nikkei 225 has been typified by a number of bear market rallies since the late 1980s while experiencing an overall long-term downward trend.
......does this mean nikkei has had many rallies since the late 1980s in the midst of a downturn?
 
thanks
 
no probs
 
Thanks matt for helping jasper @MattЭллен
 
11:43 AM
I try. Not necessarily very good at it
 
Trying is the important thing.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:09 PM
@Mitch you're early
 
I could eat, eat and eat this snack all day long...actually, I think I might."
What's the point of this? They are both guesses....
What does it imply?
@MattЭллен
 
that they like the snack
 
.So, it means "I will eat it all day"?
 
it means that they like the snack a lot
 
not they ,,,I
 
1:17 PM
if I were quoting, sure
I assumed you were quoting, unless you're saying something about yourself without knowing what you mean
 
so does this give the listener the idea that this person will probably eat it?
 
the picture it gives me is of someone with a plateful or box of a particular snack, eating it, with a smile on their face, making noises that would imply that they like the snack a lot
 
i see
thanks
 
@MattЭллен you're just on time. Shouldn't you be just about lunching?
Also, nouning all verbs.
 
@Mitch I have lunched. I'm now back at work mining for hats
 
1:28 PM
I would eat hyperbole all day, until I'm stuffed.
Hatcoin the new currency.
 
so bitcoin is old hat?
 
It's encouraging me to vote without thinking.
And put dates in my calendar to do things to SE.
 
votes for bitcoin. what a scandal!
 
He put it all in his wife's name. She was the procurer. The corruption was so deep even AHK was involved.
 
that's robots for you; corrupt from the beginning
 
1:35 PM
Pardon me for being so vulgar, but they're all rusty.
I deleted 10 comments from 2013, thinking a year ago was from now.
Stupid hats.
 
yeah, I did too
I also deleted 10 comments from 2013 other people made, just in case
 
Another revelation from the heart... I really love the whole Tolkien thing, but I don't think I can take another Hobbit movie. They all look the same to me.
 
all hobbits look the same to you? racist
 
I made ten additional comments last year to make up. I think there's a hat for deleting, then I deleting comments.
That hat is called 'salaried employee at SE, with passwords'.
Hobbitist
What about smurfs? They actually are all the same (except for the old dude and the girl)
 
oh! so now you're ageist and sexist, too!
"they're not real smurfs because they're different"
I see how it is
 
1:45 PM
Yeah I'm racist when they're the same and racist when they're different. I have to tread a fine line.
If the blue color is a skin condition then all dermatologists are racist. That's logic for you.
What about smurf cookies? I'd eat, eat , and eat them all day if they tasted like Oreos.
I'm digging myself in deeper, aren't I?
 
Gah ! Something about this conversation is making me think of snacking.
 
hats!
 
Hats to you!!
Kick a cat and you'll lose your hat!
Basically that's saying don't kick cats. Just don't do it. It's uncool, man.
 
step on a hat, break your mother's hat
 
1:52 PM
Snack time!!
 
so, be careful
what should rhyme with hat
 
Wait, was it your mom's hat to begin with? I don't get the physics.
 
Hats galore!
Interestingly that was autocorrected from the typo 'bats galore'
Who's been googling for bats galore?
Oh.
That would be me.
 
1:57 PM
@Matt Does my dog scan for you?
 
yes
pliers and playas sound the same in an English accent
 
I thought so.
But what about their metre?
 
yes, it fits for me
 
Well, then I think John Wells is right.
 
fro
lic
in
the
dus
ty
ply
a
 
2:00 PM
Cool.
I know it’s plodding, but it was meant to be that way.
John Christopher Wells (born 11 March 1939 in Bootle, Lancashire) is a British phonetician and Esperanto teacher. Wells is a professor emeritus at University College London, where until his retirement in 2006 he held the departmental chair in phonetics. == Life == His father was originally from South Africa, and his mother was English; he has two younger brothers. After a childhood in poverty, he studied languages and taught himself Gregg Shorthand. Having learned Welsh, he was interviewed in Welsh on radio; he has a reasonable knowledge of ten different languages. He was apparently approached...
That guy, the Brit who did the highly regarded Longman Pronouncing Dictionary, doesn’t think those are triphthongs after all. However, UK phoneticians have long held that they are.
I figured I could tease out the answer with a rhyme.
If you in your native accent hear all those lines as 8 syllables, then Professor Wells is right despite several decades of earlier British phonetic analysis.
 
seems like a triphthong
 
But a triphthong has to be in the same syllable.
Did you see Peter Shor’s comment?
 
o. I see
hmmm
 
This reminds me of a discussion about George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire. Some American asked whether Arya had two syllables (like bar ya) or three syllables (like aria). And somebody from the U.K. couldn't see that there was any difference. — Peter Shor 8 hours ago
 
yeah, so not a triphthong
 
2:04 PM
It is making me wonder whether Americans and Brits (minus John Wells) have a different idea of a syllable.
I don’t mean to argue. I’m honestly inquiring, trying to understand what’s going on here.
 
playa is definitely two syllables
 
Now, I can see Arya being said in two different ways: Ar/ya and A/ri/a. But some people don’t perceive those as different.
That said, I do believe that the difference in the two Aryas is not always crystal clear, and that it can vary even within the same speaker. It’s not stable. But I think that playas is stable, and that its stability lies in two syllables.
 
@tchrist one would be /ɑːja/ and the other /arija/
 
Oh!
Perhaps the UK speaker counts those as two different allomorphs of the same phonemes, and so couldn’t “hear” the difference.
 
what's an example of an actual triphthong?
 
2:10 PM
That’s what I’m trying to figure out!
It has to be three vowel sounds in one syllable.
 
Wikipedia gives fire in RP.
 
This is the problem.
 
Different pronunciations do different things.
 
Fires should rhyme with playas in southern English, right?
 
No, the y is more pronounced in playas.
 
2:12 PM
In phonetics, a triphthong /ˈtrɪfθɒŋ/ (from Greek τρίφθογγος, "triphthongos", literally "with three sounds," or "with three tones") is a monosyllabic vowel combination involving a quick but smooth movement of the articulator from one vowel quality to another that passes over a third. While "pure" vowels, or monophthongs, are said to have one target articulator position, diphthongs have two, and triphthongs three. == Examples == === First segment is the nucleus === English in British Received Pronunciation (monosyllabic triphthongs with R are optionally distinguished from sequences with disyllabic...
 
Wikipedia says shower is two syllables, but I've heard Terry-Thomas pronounce that as one.
 
...is not enlightening.
it says that in RP 'fire' is a triphthong but 'higher' is not.
 
@tchrist yeah, I think the [ja] would become [ə] in regular speech, and /a/ and /ɑː/ can be interchangeable
 
in Southern AmE those are both monophthongs... one really long monophthong.
 
Andrew is that then perhaps like the difference between dire/dyer, hire/higher, major/mare, pier/pee-er?
 
2:14 PM
@Mitch I don't understand where they get three vowels for 'fire'
 
@Mitch You’re right: it shines no light.
 
@Mitch maaaaa faaaaaaaaa is haaaaaaaaaaa than yours
 
I think they're counting the glide in the midle as one of the three.
 
I’m a Northerner, so for me when I say it fires has one syllable, but Southerners in Mississippi or Alabama or Texas say it with two.
 
@MattЭллен Your 'what' is what'er than mine?
 
2:15 PM
@Ste You’re an Englishman or something, aren’t you?
 
Ste
@tchrist I am indeed
 
If you think you’d like to try a
        Frolic in the dusty playa,
Best to bring your own papaya,
        Sacred to the Sioux and Maya.

Furnace winds are quick to dry a
        Man who can’t himself deny a
Chug from flasks of Stolichnaya.
        Pack instead some jambalaya.
 
Ste
@tchrist why?
 
@tchrist you had me at frolic.
 
I’m trying to understand how fires and pliers in your accents have just one syllable with a triphthong, given that playas and try a have two syllables and yet playas and pliers are homophonically attached in your accent. This seems to me a paradox.
 
2:18 PM
If this were japanesee, there'd be like 7 morae in 'desire'.
 
I was also thinking that.
 
maybe 8.
 
try is one syllable, I thought
 
But English doesn’t use morae I thought.
 
We should invent a new quasi syllabic concept to keep phoneticians in jobs.
 
2:18 PM
Try is one syllable, and a is another syllable, so try a makes two syllables. Right?
 
oh! sorry, I misread you
 
Ste
that's right in my world.
 
but the sequence 'try a' may well have sound modifications that would result in... well whatever it is mon di or tri.
 
@Mitch it's Monday
 
Ste
Some folk might say "ter-ry"
 
2:22 PM
@MattЭллен You're inscrutable.
 
> [aɪ̯ə̯] as in fire (compare with disyllabic "higher" [aɪ̯.ə])
 
exactly! how can those possibly be different?
in -any- accent?
 
I know, I know, I know.
 
@Mitch thanks!
 
@MattЭллен better than the alternative. I don't even know what that means.
@tchrist I have trouble thinking of -that- vowel as a diphthong. (the 'ow' in 'know' 'blow' 'sew', 'dough', 'hoe', 'no')
 
2:24 PM
Pretty sure John Wells doesn’t think they are actual triphthongs: John Wells’s phonetic blog: triphthongs, anyone?. And he’s a Brit.
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@Mitch I assume that because I'm inscrutable, I can't be questionned by police
 
@tchrist Nobody's perfect.
!!rimshot
@MattЭллен They can question all they want. Why is the sky blue? What is the point of it all? Why is this baton in my hand swinging towards this guys head? It's a a befuddlement don't you know.
 
> He lists the triphthongs eɪə, aɪə, ɔɪə, əʊə, aʊə (later giving the example words layer, player; liar, fire; loyal, royal; lower, mower; power, hour) and continues . . . . I find this account unsatisfactory. If the əʊə of slower is a “triphthong”, it is difficult to see any reason why the əʊɪ of going is not one too. If liar has a triphthong, surely trying must have one.
 
@Mitch so being inscrutable doens't protect me from scrutiny?
 
I think that playa is plaɪ̯.ə at least for me.
 
2:29 PM
guess I'm scrued
 
I guess you could right it pla.jə though.
But I don’t think I talk that way. I think there is a diphthong is the first syllable, the same one as in high.
And then there is the coyote problem.
I think it has three syllables, too.
I think coyote is, at least for me, kaɪˈjoʊti. But I get a bit confused and I may have put one or two extra IPA letters in that.
Maybe it is just kaˈjoti, but that seems strangely free of diphthong unless the /j/ and the /ɪ/ are pretty much the same thing.
I feel like the /j/ is both participating in an /aj/ diphthong and also being a consonant glide to separate two syllables. Is that possible?
 
I've got two secret hats so far, dunno how exactly, but with single upvotes on different sites: Fascinating, and Fascinating, Ma'am
 
@Hugo Same here. I think you have to upvote a highly voted post, one for a question and the other for an answer.
It might be an accepted answer.
What bothers me is that I can’t repeat it on other sites.
 
@tchrist yep, sounds likely. I was voting for highly-voted for things
 
Hat. Dash.
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2:42 PM
hi @KitFox!
 
Good morning.
Already my day is filled with drawing boundaries.
 
for over-familiar colleagues?
 
PM who 1. doesn't know the process and 2. thinks he can schedule me.
 
"Well, this is the priority project."
"Yes, which is why the other two projects I have come first."
"But this thing at the same time."
"All that will do is push out the timeline for all of them."
Because one hour split between two projects is not two hours.
Although I count it that way occasionally.
 
2:45 PM
but quantum multiple universes means you can do all of them at once
 
He seriously was all like "but you can work on two projects at the same time." and I was all like "yeah, dude, but time is time, man. wtf? you think I don't know how to estimate?"
 
project managers who don't know how to manage projects. tch
 
@RegDwigнt: I now have a Soviet-style hat to wear. It's a secret hat, of course.
It's called "Warm Welcome"—I guess that can be taken two ways.
 
@Robusto earned on EL&U, so not from a new site
 
warm welcome is upvoting a new user's first post
 
3:00 PM
@Hugo Not sure what you mean.
 
@Robusto a warm welcome could be extended to a user new to a certain site
 
Why make that hat secret?
 
It smacks of Soviet-era cloak-and-dagger stuff.
 
gold Spock is upvoting a question that has somewhere more than 40 votes
 
3:02 PM
Gold Spock should be called "late to the orgy".
 
3:17 PM
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Q: Winter Bash 2014 Secret Hats

KevinSo far, I've unlocked one of the secret hats. I'm wondering what other secret hats are out there and how to earn them.

What we know so far
 
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A: Does "playas" have a triphthong in it?

tchristThe word playa is pronounced /ˈplaɪ.ə/ in English with two syllables. English doesn’t really have triphthongs at the phonetic level. Famed English phonetician John Wells, author of the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary doesn’t believe that vowel sequences traditionally considered “triphthongs” l...

 
I'm 4 votes from a gold badge here...
 
I’m five votes from a gold badge here but ten votes from a gold badge here, with the second being much more respectable but less loved.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I imagine nobody can vote (again) for thine nor mine.
 
@tchrist I hadn't yet voted on the long s one, done
 
Oh, thanks.
I already voted on yours.
ELU is still #7 on the Leaderboard.
 
3:32 PM
@KitFox That's not drawing outside the lines, that's drawing the lines.
 
we'll have to work hard to beat those The Stack Exchange Network folks, they're already at 24K
 
Give out silvers.
 
@MattЭллен You gave it away!! Not a secret anymore.
The important thing is not necessarily the secret itself but how you know it.
 
@Mitch well, I haven't earned it yet, so maybe I'm wrong
 
@tchrist limit already reached...waiting for voting resources to be replenished.
 
3:35 PM
Give silvers with Enlightenment, or simply find some postings with score=24 and give them 25. That will increase ELU’s total hats.
 
Argh!! powerless for 8 hours. vote gun recharging.
Oh...I've already upvoted yourses (Mr Shiny and tchrist)
@Robusto Spock needs sad face hat
 
@MattЭллен not been able to get that yet
 
@Mitch Vulcans don't show emotion.
 
@Hugo nor me
 
Sounds better without 'perhaps'
@Robusto I know. They tell it. Makes the story less.. something.
 
3:41 PM
@Mitch are you saying I'm something that can't put into the trash? how kind
 
@MattЭллен I'm saying you have bad aim throwing garbage.
You should clean that all up.
 
@Mitch NO U
misses when throwing Mitch at the bin
 
Chameleon hat is for editing your profile bio, no need to join a new site. I got it here
 
I just got 29 of those :-)
 
4:14 PM
chameleon on my head
 
@tchrist Can you update your query so that it shows people who don't already have the hat? ;)
 
@AndrewLeach seems like auto-copying a bio change to other sites doesn't trigger for those other sites
 
five more
@Robusto any other questions are near-hattable?
 
@Hugo Hmm, maybe this one. A few more favorites, a few more votes (I think).
 
4:29 PM
 
The power!
 
The majesty!
 
breaks out into song!
Friday, Friday...
 
yep, chameleon required manual editing
 
@Hugo Didn't work for me sad faced clown
 
4:32 PM
@Mitch I edited ELU bio, auto-copied to the others, waited, nothing, went and manually deleted from the others, almost instahatted
 
I take that back...yeah it did!!
 
hoorah!
 
"I have $1000 to start September." Does this mean I have that sum at the beginning of september?
 
@Hugo 'instahatted' I read that as 'instashatted'. notes for later ... difficulties
 
@Mitch careful now
does selfie need an upvote? english.stackexchange.com/a/214858/9001
 
4:34 PM
@Hugo Look man, I can't help what my eyes see.
Well, yeah I can, but that's not the point now.
I read 'NSW' as 'NSFW'. cancels trip to Australia
 
New South Flipping Wales
 
@Mitch careful now
 
@Mitch
 
I don't mind if this gets an upvote and a downvote english.stackexchange.com/a/214858/9001
I said, I don't mind if this gets an upvote and a downvote english.stackexchange.com/a/214858/9001
 
lol
I don't think mine can count for both
maybe everyone else is out of votes trying to get the hat for that
 
5:45 PM
Matt and Kit are both not here, sad.
 
I'm here
still sad
@MattЭллен 6 hours left to refill
 
@mitch I am glad you are here. I am very sad these days. Here I go again. Because I think I may never get well, and even if I do I may never be able to do the things I want to.
 
I have a crab on my head
 
Hello @matt good to see you. I am very sad.
 
@MattЭллен no you don't
 
6:01 PM
@Mitch looks like a crab to me
@JasperLoy So I see. What have you done today?
 
@Hugo I am being careful. I'm just looking at pictures of NS effing W.
@MattЭллен I don't see any hats in chat, but I swear i did before.
 
@MattЭллен Today I went to meet one of my professors who told me it would be very hard for me to get into grad school, but he said there is no harm trying. I will be meeting three other professors in the next two weeks or so just to catch up.
 
is your undergrad in math?
 
@Mitch weird. have you turned hats off?
 
checks
 
6:03 PM
@JasperLoy that's good. so you went and talked to someone to see what your options are
 
@Mitch Yes, it is. By then, I was already mentally ill, so I did not do very well. I only got a second upper instead of a first class.
 
no. and i refreshed. but I get it in the main site
@JasperLoy There are jobs that use math that don't need a higher degree. but doing math just like you do in undergrad is hardly ever something anyone does in real life. That goes for pretty much any subject.
 
@Mitch Sure, but my three life goals are (1) to get well (2) to go to grad school in your country (3) to find a job in your country. Just so you know.
 
I mean no one actually solves integrals, much less finds the simple subgroups decomposition of a permutation group.
 
@MattЭллен I already knew all my options long ago. It is more of a meet up just for fun.
 
6:10 PM
Unless you absolutely need it for the design of your bizarre wifi encoding ...or... are teaching exactly that.
how do you do spoiler text in chat? '>!'?
@MattЭллен wtf...now they're back. checks eyes still there. checks screen
@tchrist Today is Poor Eyesight Monday. I read that as "Give slivers with Enlightenment" which is probably how it works.
 
@Mitch it's the magic of Hatmus!
 
man, I'm 3 votes away from edit privs on Lego Answers
 
I hesitate to mention this now .. but... do you see the chat thread flicker up by a pixel every so often? (I don't think it is triggered by my mouse movements). Sometimes I notice a similar thing on gmail menus. So it is (most likely!) not my eyes.
 
@JasperLoy you task for this week is to come up with something else you want to do if you can't get into grad school.
 
BTW the crab hat looks good. The color brings out your eyes.
 
6:25 PM
@Mitch aww, thanks!
 
@MattЭллен I already thought of that long ago. I would just find any office job in my country and live here the rest of my life, but I would be very unhappy.
 
@JasperLoy then think of something else.
 
@MattЭллен There is nothing else. It is like a North Korean having no option other than staying in North Korea for the rest of his life.
 
@JasperLoy there are more types of people in Singapore than office workers and mathematicians
 
By the way, I want to talk about the Living Language Complete series for learning languages. I have read many review and it seems that it is actually extremely incomplete, contrary to what the name says.
@MattЭллен Are you at home now, anyway?
 
6:32 PM
yes. brb, eating
 
6:50 PM
I just made some coffee.
@MattЭллен What did you eat? I just had a great shit.
 

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