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1:01 AM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. That was... er... amlwg... Having said that, clicking that button seems to have no effect...
@cfr it worked:-)
Any idea why trying to use a pic twice does this?
@DavidCarlisle I didn't realise that I couldn't have text at the same time...
@cfr ah
The first pic is at (50mm,0). The second is at (150mm,0). So it is not moving the pic from (0,0) per se. But using it twice?
Something to do with layers?
@cfr sorry I can't parse that at 1 in the morning
1:05 AM
@DavidCarlisle Me neither :(.
@cfr also you're not asking me a tikz question are you, that would be optimistic:-)
@DavidCarlisle Not you in particular, no. Just anyone. Including me.
Unfortunately, you and I are the only ones here...
@cfr and I'm about to go, good night
@DavidCarlisle Nos da!
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2:16 AM
Holy cow. It took me four days to make a pretty printer for roots of polynomials in Python. Much Respect for the S column : )
Continuous Time Transfer function with: Poles located at
  Real Part       Imag Part
-------------  ---------------
 -101.49242        -36.94022
 -101.49242         36.94022
  -54.00299        -93.53592
  -54.00299         93.53592
   18.75504       -106.36512
   18.75504        106.36512
   82.73738        -69.42490
   82.73738         69.42490
  108.00597          0.00000
Should I remove the duplicate entries in the Real Part? Would that increase the readability?
@DavidCarlisle @Werner removed your cardpunch at 251 :)
So he is to blame.
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4:49 AM
you know how it's possible to clip pgfplots graphs, right? do you think it's possible to only clip them below the x axis?
3 hours later…
7:55 AM
@StefanKottwitz @JosephWright: I may have missed this, but was there any community consultation regarding Winterbash 2014 for TeX - LaTeX?
Q: Do all sites have Winterbash?

WernerThe Winterbash FAQ mentions: I'm on Stack Overflow (or on one of a few other sites). Where are my hats? Users on these sites have to choose to opt-in individually. Just click the "Winter Bash" popup at the top and click "I love hats!", and you'll be able to earn hats and see other hat-lo...

@Werner We've never taken part
Was there some question posed to the community about whether they'd be interested/not?
@Werner No, this one is left to the mod team
@Werner In the past it was opt-in and it seemed quite frankly silly so we never did
@JosephWright Strange... because Winterbash is something that people within the community can turn off or on if they wish, making it fairly harmless.
@Werner This year it was opt-out but as we've never opted in we stuck with the same position
8:03 AM
@JosephWright True it's somewhat silly...
@Werner If that was the position ignoring everything else it wouldn't be optional
@Werner There wasn't much positive feedback on meta the first time we asked
...but they may have a duck as a hat one year...
...okay, that was silly.
@StefanKottwitz I think you are right
@StefanKottwitz On Meta.TeX.SE?
8:04 AM
Q: Winter bash: why not here?

ViviI noticed that there is an end-of-year celebration going on in some SE websites called "winter bash". It consists of collecting hats which are granted if certain actions are undertaken. There is an image with a link that appears beside the StackExchange link on the top left-hand side of the scree...

@StefanKottwitz Ahhh, I see.
@StefanKottwitz @JosephWright: Thanks for the prompt responses...
Good Morning @stefan, i see there was another post concerning subfloats.
I am tired, not only because i did not sleep much.
@Johannes_B For this user, there's no hurry. For my side, I already told him that when he permanently cross posts I'm not feeling responsible to answer
just if I have time, I may
@StefanKottwitz Indeed
@StefanKottwitz I read it, actually, i read all the posts on LC, GoLaTeX and TeXwelt. And i guess at mrunix. There are just too many here to read them all.
8:26 AM
@Johannes_B The rain stops in Hamburg. I can go to work now. :-)
See you
8:56 AM
@Joseph: you better tell Nicola we won't have winter hats in this site. :P
@PauloCereda I seem to remember that we had something like this in the past year. Pipes and sunglasses and stuff like that? Or was i dreaming?
@Johannes_B I think we had something, not sure if it was hats or stuff. I remember to have something that made my reputation grow by a huge factor, so I was the top user in this network. :P
@PauloCereda I remember unicorn stuff on april 1st. :-)
@Johannes_B oooh indeed, it was the wrong date! oopsie. :P
9:45 AM
@David: there's a new bounty in the site. :)
10:07 AM
@PauloCereda tell @egreg I'm sure he'll be delighted!
@DavidCarlisle No. :)
@PauloCereda Traitor!
@egreg Oh no! :(
@PauloCereda see, I said he'd be pleased
@DavidCarlisle My feelings are hurt. :)
10:09 AM
@PauloCereda You could always award it to Joseph to stop this squabbling
@egreg: I believe David is secretly a Madonna fan. :)
@DavidCarlisle Or I could award it to you to make things ever funnier. :)
@egreg, @David: I think the plan of awarding Joseph will be an epic plot twist. :) To make things more dramatic, let @SeanAllred decide. :)
Or I could award nobody and the rep is lost forever. :)
10:32 AM
@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle will never catch me anyway. :P
@PauloCereda Although you're giving him fuel for overtaking Gonzalo.
@egreg Oh no!
10:45 AM
doesn't inspire me with confidence, I think I'll stick with picture mode: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/218030/…
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12:01 PM
Yay, @robitex is here!
@egreg: ^^
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1:16 PM
@PauloCereda A promise is a promise :)
@SeanAllred :)
Also, I just want to go on record saying that perhaps D was not the best argspec-y thing for Do not use. How can I resist when \tex_end:D just looks so happy?
@SeanAllred LOL that's true. :)
Which reminds me of:
The Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym, abbreviated INTERCAL, is an esoteric programming language that was created as a parody by Don Woods and James M. Lyon, two Princeton University students, in 1972. It satirizes aspects of the various programming languages at the time, as well as the proliferation of proposed language constructs and notations in the 1960s. There are two currently maintained versions of INTERCAL: C-INTERCAL, formerly maintained by Eric S. Raymond, and CLC-INTERCAL, maintained by Claudio Calvelli. == History == According to the original manual by the authors, The...
@SeanAllred: ^^ :)
Best bit:
> INTERCAL has many other features designed to make it even more aesthetically unpleasing to the programmer: it uses statements such as "READ OUT", "IGNORE", "FORGET", and modifiers such as "PLEASE". This last keyword provides two reasons for the program's rejection by the compiler: if "PLEASE" does not appear often enough, the program is considered insufficiently polite, and the error message says this; if too often, the program could be rejected as excessively polite.
Somebody please rescue me from here: tex.stackexchange.com/a/217993/11232. I am stuck and decided not to respond :(
1:30 PM
@HarishKumar It's that annoying user that's being impolite all the time, and not to mention crossposting a lot. So let's poke @JosephWright. :) You could teach him a lesson by "deleting" your answer. :P
@PauloCereda: I thought he is a newbie so attempted an answer. But he refuses to read even my answer!
@HarishKumar He's being very, very rude to a a lot of our regulars (I don't want advice, I want code), so I believe the best approach is to ignore. :)
That's why I suggested the deletion of your answer. :P Of course, I'm being evil with this approach. :)
@HarishKumar "I am out" Honestly, the most appropriate response. From a teaching perspective, solving all of OP's problems without any reciprocated effort is detrimental and universally frustrating.
It sounds mean, but he needs to suffer :(
@HarishKumar he is not as new as it seems: he changes his account to erase a somewhat poor history. Just tell him that question is closed and to open a new question if he still has problems. Then ignore any other comments there.
@PauloCereda: I decided to ignore him. :)
1:41 PM
Oh is this the same guy?
@SeanAllred Certainly it is frustating when somebody doesn't even bother to read the answer to their question. :(
@SeanAllred yep
@DavidCarlisle oh bother
@DavidCarlisle Good to know that. I will keep away from him :)
@HarishKumar :(
Is there anything staff could do about this guy?
1:43 PM
This is clearly one of @egreg's students, you can see it in the style of math layout: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/218058/…
@SeanAllred 100% agree.
@SeanAllred It is the same guy. I think one of us confronted him about the old username and he said, "He is my friend, we study together." :P
@PauloCereda BAHAHA gotta give points for thinking on the spot, but we aren't that dumb
@SeanAllred Indeed. :)
The great thing about this community is that we're a community: we talk to each other. You can't really get one over on us like that.
And with that, I've got to run to work. Good luck everyone!
@SeanAllred See ya, Sean! :)
1:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle :P (add the Italian word you know)
@egreg LOL
@egreg vero (I've been studying)
@DavidCarlisle Wow!
2:12 PM
@PauloCereda Hi, sorry, I was already away...
@SeanAllred he'll get IP banned if he behaves really badly. Pity for his colleages / people who share IP with him.
2:24 PM
@tohecz Mail sent. :)
2:45 PM
@PauloCereda ok :)
@tohecz It took several minutes for the mail dude to find Czech Republic in the list. :P
@PauloCereda lol
was is under c, t or r?
@tohecz Quite interesting. In Portuguese, it would be República Tcheca. We start browsing the list (there is no search feature). We went for the obvious choice, the exact match as one would expect to be in Portuguese: no results. We then went for the English name, Czech Republic: no results. Surpringly, we browsed the whole list to find out it was under Tcheca República. Grrrr. :)
It's amusing: there is no England nor United Kingdom. Only Great Britain. :)
@PauloCereda well, in France, it's listed as TCHEQUE (REPUBLIQUE) so you search for it under T
@tohecz But it makes sense. :)
2:59 PM
Good maen
Hi @ChristianHupfer, seit 0:58 Uhr wieder stolzer Onkel.
@Johannes_B: Hallo Johannes, herzlichen Glückwunsch. Junge oder Mädchen?
@ChristianHupfer girl
@PauloCereda well, I think it's the same for your post: it's under T so that all republics are not under R
@Johannes_B: Cute.... Make sure that she does not get into contact with boys until she is eighteen years old ;-)
3:01 PM
@ChristianHupfer Her dad will take care of this, trust me ;-)
@Johannes_B: ;-)
@ChristianHupfer Pakete wie tocloft und titlesec sind hochgradig inkompatibel mit KOMA-script. Das ist als würdest du nen Feinmechaniker mit ner Rohrzange prügeln.
@tohecz Boo. :P
@Johannes_B: Das kommt auf den Feinmechaniker an :D Vielleicht steht der ja drauf :-P
@Johannes_B: titlesec gehört auch nicht (mehr) in mein Repertoire ;-)
@ChristianHupfer I was controlled by my part-time-job supervisor today.
3:07 PM
@PauloCereda loo uh-oh
@tohecz <3
@Johannes_B: Why?
@ChristianHupfer regular controls are normal. Somebody has to take a look.
@Johannes_B: You mean your janitor job?
@ChristianHupfer Jep
3:10 PM
@Johannes_B: Any feedback?
@ChristianHupfer She was satisfied.
She was in a hurry, so she only saw 2 of nine objects.
@Johannes_B: Two of nine light bulbs? :-P
I prefer Seven of Nine :D
@ChristianHupfer Advantage: I can change most lighbulbs without a ladder.
@Johannes_B: Are you that tall?
@ChristianHupfer No, bout 190\,cm
3:13 PM
@Johannes_B Holy cow!
Do tell me what is tall. :)
@Johannes_B: I am only 183 cm...
\Huge dudes.
@PauloCereda: Johannes is \Huge, I am only \huge :D
@ChristianHupfer LOL
I'm 172cm, I guess.
@PauloCereda: That's..... \footnotesize :-P
3:16 PM
@paulo In one object, the light bulbs are about 4 meters up. if i could change thos without a ladder, that would be \HUGE
@ChristianHupfer oy
@Johannes_B LOL indeed!
@HarishKumar Same thing. I didn't realise when I answered that this was the same guy. Why does s/he keep posting links to the same unclear question on latex-community? Also, I have no idea what the comment about 'respect' is meant to be about!
@PauloCereda: Sorry :D 172cm is not small
@ChristianHupfer near you guys, I am. :)
Actually, I probably have 3cm more. :P
@PauloCereda: Grow you must, mmmh :D (Yoda was speaking :D)
3:17 PM
Is there a question somewhere about setting up custom layers correctly? I thought I knew how to do this but I've discovered that my additions fail if used in pics...
@cfr @HarishKumar The guy is currently under watch. It is the same guy as tex.stackexchange.com/users/67656/dasag
@ChristianHupfer :)
@cfr If you by any chance can see deleted questions, have fun.
@Johannes_B (yes, +10k rep) :)
@Johannes_B I think so. Identical messages were posted on latex-community under that user name as on the accout @HarishKumar and I are talking about.
3:19 PM
@cfr: That guy upset @DavidCarlisle already yesterday
I can't see deleted questions - only deleted answers.
@ChristianHupfer That guy (and his 'friend') is extremely frustrating, rude and... and... well, it wouldn't be polite.
@cfr You can too, but they are not listed, so if you do not have the direct link, you can't find it. :(
@Johannes_B: Only mods can see deleted questions (unsure if that is possible at all)
@PauloCereda: Good to know!
@ChristianHupfer Mods can see the list of deleted questions. :) 10k+ users can see deleted questions, but they are not listed. :)
@ChristianHupfer <3
@PauloCereda Actually, that's true. I've seen deleted questions when I've received a notification before the deletion but not checked it until afterwards.
3:23 PM
@cfr ;)
@PauloCereda: I feel discriminated :D
Custom layers in TiKZ?
@ChristianHupfer What did I do? :)
@PauloCereda and you can see your own deleted questions, but there's no list of them, so you better save links to all your questions ASA you postt hem
@cfr The list of annoyed people got quite big. It is under moderator attention already.
3:24 PM
@tohecz ooh it's getting more and more complicated. :) I blame these tall people here. :P
@Johannes_B Good!
@PauloCereda: Not you... mods can a lot of things I can't do... That's pure injustice, outraging... I demand more democracy :D
@ChristianHupfer We can vote for you in a future election. :)
@PauloCereda but .. ... but I'm only 6'0" ... :-(
@tohecz Holy cow, you are tall! :)
3:26 PM
@PauloCereda: 1st I doubt I would be a good moderator (too few time for it) and 2nd: I don't think there will be a future election at all 3rd.... the three mod guys do the job, there is no need for another one
I had to ask Google to convert that too centimeters. :) I'm stoopid. :P
@ChristianHupfer That's why I said future election. :) We don't need more people, J, M and S are the Holy Moderation Trinity. :)
@PauloCereda: Yes, you shall count to three and only to three :D
@ChristianHupfer :)
@PauloCereda I had to ask google to convert it to ftin before :p
@tohecz :)
3:29 PM
@tohecz: Most of us currently online use SI units and you convert it to imperial units :D
@ChristianHupfer for body height, ft in seems more natural. After all, 1cm is to fine specification, you grow and shrink by much more than that every day
@tohecz: My value was an average :D
@ChristianHupfer well, I'm just slightly above, as you can see
@tohecz: Yes... I was taller once, but I shrinked already due to my great age ... I am already 40 years old... oh my, the tomb is near ...
@ChristianHupfer still too tall for the tomb, we'll have to cut your feet :)
3:34 PM
@tohecz: I prefer lying in the tomb not standing, even when dead .... , but you can apply the 'cut the feet off'' style for Johannes :D
@ChristianHupfer @cfr @HarishKumar @PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle @JosephWright @StefanKottwitz @egreg @tohecz This is a sign of progress in my eyes: latex-community.org/forum/…
@Johannes_B: Ah, the dasag guy... is he the alter ego of our 'I'll delete my question before anybody can answer' - fellow?
@Johannes_B A PhD dude with childish behaviour... this disturbs me in so many levels.
@ChristianHupfer This problem is resolved after burning.
3:37 PM
@Johannes_B: There's no fun it :-D
@DavidCarlisle Ouch, the saga continues. :P
@Johannes_B False alarm, as David pointed out. :P
@DavidCarlisle Also so langsam regt der Brummer mich richtig auf, war der zu lange auf Montage oder was?
@DavidCarlisle Sorry, maybe @ChristianHupfer will translate that for you.
@Johannes_B Nah don't worry, David is fluent in Google. :)
Wait, let me invoke Psmith, maybe he can translate.
@Johannes_B I'm a master of all languages, as Paulo just said
@PauloCereda: Agreed... I have a PhD too.. and the guy is getting one ??? No, never, never,never
3:40 PM
!!/translate from de to en Also so langsam regt der Brummer mich richtig auf, war der zu lange auf Montage oder was?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The Brummer really upset me, which was so slow too long on Assembly or what?
@Johannes_B @David speaks all Google langages :)
Hi guys. Probably stupid problem, but I downloaded PhD thesis of my professor (you can see here poincare.matf.bg.ac.rs/~keckic/index_e.html in Papers) and that is just .dvi file, okay, and he use some cyrillic Dvi fonts, I suppose this poincare.matf.bg.ac.rs/~keckic/index_e.html before Teaching section on right side and can someone tell me where to copy/paste that fonts?
@PauloCereda: Oh my... :D :D :D
@Johannes_B I think you need to practice to improve your German, it doesn't mean a lot when translated: ^^^^
@Cortizol that's a good question.
3:41 PM
@ChristianHupfer I'm trying to get mine too. :P
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda looses a little bit. But io know know where the OP got his english from.
google translate for the between across.
@Cortizol just try to download the ZIP he provides, unpack it in the folder where the DVI file is, and then try to run dvipdfm on it. It should work, if he packed the right files.
@DavidCarlisle: It's German "slang"
@Johannes_B Almost certainly. I wonder which was the original language.
Maybe some IP lookup from you guys. :)
Some cities have snow for Christmas; my city has volcanic ash :-) lapatria.com/sites/default/files/styles/620x/public/…
3:44 PM
@Cortizol the fonts in that dvi file are:
$ dvitype dockec.dvi |grep "^Font"
Font 67: wncyb10 scaled 1440---loaded at size 943718 DVI units
Font 66: wncyb10 scaled 1200---loaded at size 786432 DVI units
Font 62: wncyi10---loaded at size 655360 DVI units
Font 61: wncyb10---loaded at size 655360 DVI units
Font 60: wncyr10---loaded at size 655360 DVI units
Font 57: msbm10---loaded at size 655360 DVI units
Font 54: msam10---loaded at size 655360 DVI units
Font 52: eufm7---loaded at size 458752 DVI units
Font 51: eufm10---loaded at size 655360 DVI units
Hello, everyone!
He did it again... @DavidCarlisle used *.exe files ....
@GonzaloMedina: Hello
@GonzaloMedina Hi Gonzalo! :)
@tohecz I just used double click to opened that .dvi file and dviprt... and now everything is okay. Thank you
@ChristianHupfer In this case it's acceptable. :) It's under Cygwin, it seems. :)
3:45 PM
the wncy.. ones are cyrillic but that's an ancient font set for cyrillic assuming that you are basically going to input in transliterated latin they should be part of texlive though so in any current tex distribution, but you don't really want to use them now
@PauloCereda: Badly enough I have to use Windows 7 tomorrow in our workshop... but I transferred the worst MS-Word documents to LaTeX .... Do I get a badge for that? :D
@ChristianHupfer A pat on the back. :)
@DavidCarlisle Okay...Thank you Carlisle, but that all is not helping me, I am n00b for this things, but now everything is okay (oh, my splendid English...)
@PauloCereda: You naughty duckling :D
@PauloCereda I cannot reveal the location, i am sure that someone is near enough to get over there and have a talk in person.
3:48 PM
@Johannes_B Or point a gun at his head. Either way it works. :)
@ChristianHupfer Quaaaack! :)
@PauloCereda Let's stay with a non violent QUACK.
@Johannes_B For now. :)
@Cortizol what I meant is that if you just want to print that dvi you should have the fonts already, but if making a new document with tex using cyrillic you probably shouldn't use those fonts now (although they will work, they are assuming that you can not enter cyrillic characters directly)
@PauloCereda: :-P :-P
@ChristianHupfer Sorry. :)
3:54 PM
My profile photo image change did not apply for chat :-(
@ChristianHupfer Imperial March playing in the background
@PauloCereda: Thanks, too nice ... I feel a presence I have not scented for a long time... :-;
@PauloCereda Is that photo more recent than the one you had before? ;)
Oooops. I meant to ping @ChristianHupfer ^^
@GonzaloMedina I had a duck disguised as a Christmas tree. :) Now my duck is disguised as a deer. :)
ooh. :)
@PauloCereda I don't want to disapoint you, but it's a rubbish disguise, no one was fooled.
3:59 PM
@PauloCereda speaking of ducks, I've got Nicola's book; it's awesome! :)
@DavidCarlisle Oh. :)
@tohecz ooh the book is very cute!
@GonzaloMedina: No, it's my alter ego :D
Just checked, would cost me 43 euro and take only 3 hours and 17 minutes to drive to Prague.
And visit @tohecz
@Johannes_B Yay!
@Johannes_B cool :) You gotta come at some time :)
4:09 PM
@tohecz I most probably will be there next year with my family.
@GonzaloMedina when? sounds cool :)
@Gonzalo gotta go now, but lemme know and maybe we could do something together :)
@Johannes_B you'd get there and find he was in Paris
@DavidCarlisle There would still be a very very special firend in Praha.
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6:52 PM
New data format: The Oxford CSV. Each line is comma delimited until the last two items, which are "and" delimited.
That got me good :)
@percusse LOL
RT @zapjackson: New data format: The Oxford CSV. Each line is comma delimited until the last two items, which are "and" delimited.
It doesn't do pretty printing for tweets?
aah http instead of https
7:09 PM
@JosephWright did I miss anything here (see comment thread) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/218085/…
7:59 PM
Good maen
8:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle No, sounds about right
@DavidCarlisle We need the galley for an equivalent of \leavevmode and the name is still not decided
@DavidCarlisle As we have e-TeX it's to be implemented differently
\cs_new_protected_nopar:Npn \mode_leave_vertical: % Or something
      \exp_after:wN \tex_indent:D
8:24 PM
Elmo?! :)
@JosephWright does that require etex? (I remember some discussion of this and the luatex thing) but not the details:-)
@PauloCereda I was going to be all serious and ask about a problem I've just solved (or at least worked around) with equation numbers being misplaced, but hey, sure, why not. I am Elmo after all...
He's very cute.
@DavidCarlisle Yes, because it relies on the fact that we can generate a protected macro
@DavidCarlisle Done this way the mode change comes before \everypar gets inserted
@davin Hello! :) I like Elmo too. :)
@DavidCarlisle LuaTeX has \quitvmode which is similar but entirely skips \everypar
8:28 PM
@JosephWright ah yes i knew it was about when everypar hit but I skipped over the `_protected_ in the command definition
@JosephWright it all comes back like a bad dream:-)
@DavidCarlisle \quitvmode seems to be no longer documented: perhaps Taco has changed his mind
@PauloCereda, hello and goodbye. Happy holidays!
@davin To you as well! :) Have fun!
@PauloCereda you shed the antlers
@DavidCarlisle o.O
8:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle Actually testing \quitvmode it does insert \everypar: I seem to remember Taco saying that he'd missed that \protected\def\leavevmode{\ifvmode\expandafter\indent\fi} was actually equivalent to what he wanted to do
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10:02 PM
It's getting to be a bit much -- I'm constantly running into questions now that I've already participated in and leaving effectively the same comment without realizing it.
10:20 PM
@SeanAllred Would you have a particular user's questions in mind? Or do you mean that you've now had a go at every question on the site? [Not sure if 'it' refers to our friend and our friend's alleged other friend, or to TeX SE, or to life, the universe and everything ;).]
@cfr ooh 42! :)
10:54 PM
@PauloCereda Not 6 x 9, then?
@JosephWright Thinking about some discussion from some time ago… isn't there a place in xparse for S{..} (not perfect, but an approach)
The same way we have o and O{default}. We could have s (seeking for *) and S{!} seeking for ! for instance. And then a \IfTokenTF{#1}{ !{exclamation} +{plus} -{minus} *{star} } {true}{false}.
It's not perfect, but I think it's easily understandable, so it tests for a token different than \bgroup. Having a signature with six arguments like { t- t+ t! s m m } is not practical (I think). When what you are looking for is { S{-} m m } and then \IfTokenTF{#1}{!{foo} +{bar} -{baz} *{default star}}{true}{false}.
@cfr :)

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