English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

aedia λ

3:00 PM

@KitΘδς I knew there was something I forgot to tell my husband about yesterday!

Grace Note

@JasperLoy You enjoy vague cryptic lures, don't you?

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Q: Is this an OK question for SO?

If not, is there another SE where it would be a better fit? CSS, as we know, stands for Cascading Style Sheets, which is a plural phrase. One would say "Cascading Style Sheets are used to provide a central location for all of the stylings of a project" (note the 'are'). However, it seems to be t...

discussion

user19161

@GraceNote Yes, Matt should know what face, even though he hasn't seen it himself.

Grace Note

^ You guys don't want this, or do you?

aedia λ

Last night by the time I got home it was late, and I got distracted by summarizing yesterday's Language Log about ElBloombito, and then discussing Cleverbot, and I plumb forgot about Tim Minchin.

KitΘδς

@GraceNote Isn't that a dupe?

aedia λ

3:04 PM

ack! meeting! zooms away

Grace Note

@KitΘδς Got a link? I can just settle it right there on Meta if you do.

Matt Ellen Д

@GraceNote I disagree with the premise, I think it's sheet

KitΘδς

@GraceNote Let me see.

I can't find it. I really thought we had something similar. Maybe not CSS, but some other plural acronym.

Cerberus

Is anyone ever having trouble with the "retry" thing?

I am.

user19161

@Cerberus Yes I got it a few times this week.

Cerberus

3:10 PM

This happens all the time.

Matt Ellen Д

no, @cerb. I only see it when it's meant to be there

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Ah OK!

user19161

Maybe earthquake or hurricane related.

Cerberus

It is so weird.

user19161

There are many weird things in this world.

Cerberus

3:11 PM

Any clue what might trigger it?

Matt Ellen Д

I get it mostly when I'm wanting to paste something (like a quote or question) in a new chat line

brilliant

Hi all!!

user19161

Try to refresh browser or log out and in. Some delay in information relay somewhere somehow.

Matt Ellen Д

so I go too quickly and it looks like I'm trying to flood the room

user19161

@brilliant Hi!

Cerberus

3:12 PM

@MattEllenД So you have it too?

brilliant

Does anybody knows an adjective that would describe a person who likes and is prone to travel a lot?

Matt Ellen Д

@Cerberus only infrequently, but yes

@brilliant travelbug

although that's a noun

Cerberus

@MattEllenД Yeah I know that, but that's regular. It's fine. But I get it when I post a line more than 5 seconds later, and then I wait 10 seconds, click retry, and it tells me to wait 7 seconds for the same line!

It is impossible.

Matt Ellen Д

@Cerberus Oh! no I haven't had that

Cerberus

So weird.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:13 PM

@aediaλ This is a good non-song one: youtu.be/SKJNPTV26bk

KitΘδς

@brilliant Someone with wanderlust?

user19161

@Cerberus Maybe time to update Windows!

Cerberus

See what I mean?

KitΘδς

I had that a few days ago, but it went away.

brilliant

@KitΘδς Thanks, but I remember there was an adjective for that

Cerberus

3:14 PM

I can't type normally.

Spare Oom

@Cerberus I had a problem trying to delete something earlier. I'm just thinking @Kit must be glad the delete post didn't fail when she needed it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@brilliant wanderlusty

Cerberus

@SpareOom Yeah!

brilliant

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thank you!

user19161

The problem with not updating Windows is that if you ever need to update you need to take a day to do it all at once.

Spare Oom

3:14 PM

@Brilliant Hi.

KitΘδς

@brilliant But that's what you mean, an adjective for someone with wanderlust?

Cerberus

@JasperLoy It has nothing to do with Windows.

user19161

@Cerberus You never know. How about browser version?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@brilliant I was kidding. I'm not sure if that's standard.

brilliant

@SpareOom Hi

Matt Ellen Д

3:15 PM

wanderoo is a word! only tangentially related.

brilliant

@MrShinyandNew安宇 It was something like parapethentic or something like that

user19161

@cerb Also try updating java. Might be related.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy It has happened to me on XP, Win7, FF 3.5, 3.6, 5, 6.

It is the chat, not anything else.

KitΘδς

@brilliant Oh yes. Peripatetic.

Matt Ellen Д

@GraceNote I think that question might be OK

brilliant

3:16 PM

Oh yes!!!! Thank you!!!!

user19161

Sounds like parasympathetic nervous system.

KitΘδς

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Q: A person who travels from place to place without good reason

I am looking for the best word for a person who is continually moving from place to place without good reason, job or fixed home.

single-word-requests nouns

user19161

a wandering wanderer.

user19161

or a wondering wonderer?

Matt Ellen Д

I go around, around, around, around

user19161

3:17 PM

or wandering wonderer?

user19161

or wondering wanderer?

KitΘδς

A raving rover.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

wanderlusty should be a word.

Matt Ellen Д

a pandering ponderer

@MrShinyandNew安宇 done

user19161

I wonder and wander to find my tea.

KitΘδς

3:18 PM

Can we add wonderlusty as well?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattEllenД Wow, thanks!

user19161

Is my tea wondering and wandering too?

user19161

It is a poetic night.

Matt Ellen Д

@MrShinyandNew安宇 & @Kit it's on the list with bellicophagery

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς There's always some -lusty angle for you, isn't there?

Matt Ellen Д

3:19 PM

I'm feeling wanderlusty

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattEllenД Well, bellicophagery is a perfectly cromulent word.

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 blinks innocently

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thank you. I rather like it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς whistles innocently

user19161

We all lust, in different ways and to different extents.

user19161

Lust=desire of any kind

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:20 PM

@JasperLoy Connotation is everything though.

user19161

Desire is the cause of all suffering.

Matt Ellen Д

@MrShinyandNew安宇 wiggles eyebrows suggestively

KitΘδς

I am referring in this case to very explicit, carnal lusts of a sexual nature.

Matt Ellen Д

as I would hope!

user19161

The abandonment of desire is the path leading to the cessation of suffering.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:22 PM

@MattEllenД pats self on head, wiggles ears

KitΘδς

@JasperLoy Geez, that's deep. Did you come up with that yourself?

user19161

@KitΘδς Which I find are not much different from other lusts upon years of contemplation.

KitΘδς

Different only in the appetite that is satisfied.

"Years of contemplation" chuckles

user19161

@KitΘδς Buddhism's truths

user19161

I might become a monk one day, maybe.

KitΘδς

3:23 PM

@JasperLoy Huh, and here I was thinking that was Herman Hesse.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς "contemplation", nudge, nudge, wink wink

user19161

Suffering in buddhist texts refers to all kinds of imperfection, so not the usual sense.

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I see you two, but I think it would be unwise to sac bunt at this point in the game.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς puts fingers in ears, hops on one foot

Matt Ellen Д

I <3 resharper

Spare Oom

3:26 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Is there a sign language guide that's standard for this room?

user19161

@MattEllenД Is that a pencil sharpener?

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I know we have runners at the corners, but it's still a bad idea.

Spare Oom

@JasperLoy That's what I would have guessed.

Matt Ellen Д

@JasperLoy it is a software development tool that allows me to type sooooo much less

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@SpareOom huh? what? removes fingers

user19161

3:27 PM

Only the middle finger is universally understood.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς Yes but we don't want to wake the Umu.

KitΘδς

@JasperLoy Is it?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hand't thought of that. Very well then, proceed.

user19161

@KitΘδς No, I was just MSU.

Spare Oom

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Umu?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς I'll be honest... I'm not sure where to go from here.

@SpareOom Oh no! Spare Oom has woken the Umu! Swim away, foogoo fish!

user19161

3:29 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Then go nowhere. Let stillness be movement.

user19161

From stillness arises awareness.

Spare Oom

encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/umu

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 OK, OK, queen's rook to bishop's 5, Kit says warp time and space, and flank them with elephants over the Alps.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy I read "from silliness arises awareness". I like my version better.

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user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 That is also true.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:31 PM

@KitΘδς What? before you tickle the Nazgul?

Spare Oom

UMU

UMU may refer to one of the following universities: * Uganda Martyrs University, a private university affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church, in Uganda * Umeå University in Sweden * University of Manchester Union in England UMU may refer to: * UMU Ltd, a British company that develops anti-virus computer software for mobile devices See also * Umu (disambiguation)

Grace Note

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Q: Why is this plural acronym treated as singular?

CSS stands for Cascading Style Sheets, which is a plural phrase. One would say "Cascading Style Sheets are used to provide a central location for all of the stylings of a project" (note the 'are'). However, it seems to be the prevalent usage to say "CSS is used to provide a central location for a...

grammatical-number acronyms programming-terminology

user19161

@KitΘδς Oh you play chess too!

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes, yes, never tickle the Nazgul before noon.

Matt Ellen Д

@KitΘδς but it's 4:30pm

KitΘδς

3:32 PM

Now I have to take a shower. Back in a bit.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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KitΘδς

@MattEllenД Don't bother me with trifles. You'll figure it out.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@SpareOom But if you're going to watch that vid you might want to see part 1 and 2 first

Spare Oom

I've seen them all!

Matt Ellen Д

I shall return

Spare Oom

3:34 PM

@MattEllen See you.

user19161

The Return of the King.

user19161

If you do not find the way, noone will

Spare Oom

I don't want to brag or make anyone jealous or anything, but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school.

user19161

4:18 PM

@kiraz I saw your question.

user19161

@kiraz Are you referring to the closing of a shop or sth else?

user19161

Anyway FF has already answered in this context.

user19161

@matt You are back!

Matt Ellen Д

I am

I don't have internet in my car

user19161

Anyway that face is actually my desktop background now. :-)

user19161

4:22 PM

Lucky dude with car. But it is cheaper here to take taxi everyday than get a car.

Matt Ellen Д

@JasperLoy Well, I don't think it's lucky to have a car. I've taken up cycling to work, I'm just not fit enough to do it everyday.

user19161

So I would say it makes sense to get a car here only if you are willing to exchange a lot of money for a little bit more convenience than the cab.

Matt Ellen Д

If I could get rid of my car, I would.

aedia λ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hilarious!

user19161

Sure, just don't let the car get rid of you.

aedia λ

4:25 PM

@Cerberus What've you been doing to the poor chat?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Hey guys, did any of you commit to the bitcoin?

user19161

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Nope, sorry.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Because I did not get my email yet.

z7sg Ѫ

Yeah Jez and I both did I think

aedia λ

@Cerberus I never get that except when pasting something too quickly, like @MattEllen said.

Cerberus

4:26 PM

@aediaλ It's doing that to me, not I to it!

z7sg Ѫ

@MattEllenД How far is it?

aedia λ

I don't think I've got any free commitments.

user19161

@Cerberus It really could be Windows update you know.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Chat goes on a weird streak like that about once a every few days. Then it passes. The regular retries I always get normally, those aren't a problem.

Matt Ellen Д

@z7sgѪ nine miles

Cerberus

4:28 PM

@JasperLoy XP and 7?

user19161

My friend spent one hour hunting for one update to fix his problem when he could have gone without the problem if he updated all the time.

Matt Ellen Д

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I am committed to bitcoin. still waiting for the beta

user19161

@Cerberus I just mean the usual free updates. But I really don't know.

aedia λ

@Cerberus Sure, sure. I bet it just knows you're trying to type with all your noses again.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

so... did they lauch the beta yet?

@matt?

Matt Ellen Д

4:28 PM

not so far as I can tell

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

huh.

Cerberus

@aediaλ But how else am I supposed to type?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

thats gtood..

for some strange reason, I thoguht I was left out...

Matt Ellen Д

I don't know what they're waiting for!

z7sg Ѫ

@MattEllenД That's reasonably commutable by bike yeah.

Wtf do I need to do to get released from my commitment?

Matt Ellen Д

4:29 PM

@z7sgѪ uphill both ways, though :D

Cerberus

@JasperLoy It's really not related to Windows, trust me. And since you're having it too, it isn't a browser thing either. So it must be something particular to this chat.

Matt Ellen Д

seriously, there's a hill in the middle. it's proper annoying

z7sg Ѫ

@MattEllenД Perhaps you are cycling the wrong way around an MC Escher space.

user19161

@Cerberus Yesterday I had some problem with the chat ping sound gone and chat not loading which was gone after I installed java.

user19161

@MattEllenД I don't cycle. I walk, for fun and commute.

Cerberus

4:31 PM

@JasperLoy As I've told you, I have seen this bug in several versions of Windows, on several computers, on several versions of Firefox, and most probably also on several versions of Java.

z7sg Ѫ

@MattEllenД I only find some urban hills annoying. Otherwise there is always the other side.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

So... anybody here using bitcoins?

Cerberus

With the greener grass!

user19161

@Cerberus Hmm OK, maybe you can ask on meta.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Matt Ellen Д

4:33 PM

@z7sgѪ yeah, going down the otherside is fun :D

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I've not used them yet, but I'm mining, somewhat ineffectually

is this gen ref?

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Q: How do you pronounce 'Nietzsche'?

Not strictly an English word, but used frequently enough. How on Earth is it pronounced?

pronunciation names

aedia λ

Wikipedia gives IPA for German and English so I would say so

Grace Note

Isn't that... not English?

I mean, you can't just ask how to pronounce Jaeger on the English site. It's not an English name, plain and simple!

aedia λ

also,

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Grace Note

Languages other than English (including translation) <- In your FAQ, under not allowed.

Matt Ellen Д

this is true. voted as off topic

user19161

4:39 PM

@aediaλ So it's not an English word at all?

Grace Note

@JasperLoy That word possesses constructs that are not Englitzsch constructs.

By virtue of being a German name, as it were.

user19161

OK voted as OT then.

aedia λ

@JasperLoy Nobody says "I'm gonna Nietzsche that" or "let me write you a quick Nietzsche" or anything. If they start to, it could, maybe, be an English word, but not now.

Grace Note

You might use Nietzsche to describe his philosophy, at best a loan word and even then we're still using it as a German word.

Matt Ellen Д

@aediaλ it does appear in every episode of Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda as the name of a race of augmented humans

so it's on the fringe of English

user19161

4:44 PM

There is a scifi serial here called Fringe.

Matt Ellen Д

i think I've heard of it

I have no tv, so I don't keep up with things like that so much

user19161

Oh, I didn't know Grace closes questions here too, yay!

aedia λ

We steal lots of words, like... uhh, I can't think of good loanword examples. Schadenfreude. Chutzpah. But there's ways to use those in English phrases that are more than someone's name.

@MattEllenД I've never seen Andromeda!

z7sg Ѫ

It makes me so angry when people pronounce Nietzsche wrong, I mean like on the radio or something. GRRRR!!

Matt Ellen Д

@aediaλ yeah, I gather it wasn't the most popular. I really like it :D

aedia λ

4:47 PM

I'm still trying to re-watch ST:TNG.

user19161

Desperate Housewives does show here.

Grace Note

@z7sgѪ Neechee. ♪

Matt Ellen Д

nigh tz ch - like a robot malfunctioning! :p

z7sg Ѫ

@GraceNote OK, I hate you now.

Matt Ellen Д

of course I am joking

z7sg Ѫ

4:49 PM

@MattEllenД :|

user19161

I like the note punctuation of Grace.

Grace Note

We steal lots of words, but we haven't stolen that one any more than we've stolen, say, "Berlin".

No matter how many of us are donuts.

user19161

All the unicorns with horns remind me of teletubbies.

z7sg Ѫ

When I read your name aloud, it sounds like "Grassy Naughty" btw.

aedia λ

@GraceNote I was so sad when I found out the jelly donut misinterpretation wasn't true.

Grace Note

4:53 PM

@z7sgѪ That's a very unique twist. Awesome. ♪

@aediaλ Aye, but it still calls to mind donuts even if it wasn't the case.

I do like that Wikipedia includes a picture of said donuts on the speech page.

aedia λ

Mmm. Now I'm getting hungry.

Jelly donuts are my favorite.

Grace Note

Oh, hey, I can totally infiltrate the WMT room now.

aedia λ

I always get Pfannkuchen and Kaninchen crossed in my head for some reason.

Apparently it's not just me.

@GraceNote Because you're a jelly donut?

Grace Note

@aediaλ So cute!

@aediaλ That's one way of looking at it.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Wait.... Grace is Jelly donut???

Grace Note

5:04 PM

And I've never been to Berlin in the fall.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Snow-Tire shaped Donuts are my favorite. You know, the thing that is sugar coated and empty inside.

aedia λ

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Powdered sugar on the outside?

Grace Note

@aediaλ Better that than powdered swords

aedia λ

@GraceNote Oh, man, is that from those ask a ninja videos? I stopped watching those, I just couldn't handle all the repetitions of the word ninja

ninja ninja ninja

see, I already have semantic satiation

Grace Note

@aediaλ Hah, wow, someone who actually recognizes it. I didn't think I'd run into anyone like that.

But you know that'd be one deadly creampuff.

aedia λ

5:22 PM

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aedia λ

5:32 PM

Why are there so many more of these than I remember?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@aediaλ Meh.

aedia λ

And why am I watching them? Auugh!?!!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I can't eat sweet animals.

Apr 17 at 1:26, by RegDwight

Apr 17 at 1:24, by Robusto

aedia λ

My god those are creepy.

KitΘδς

5:53 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Ahhhh! Ahhhh! Ahhhh!

aedia λ

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KitΘδς

I have got "F*ck, I love boobs though, I just really love them" stuck in my head today.

Matt Ellen Д

6:11 PM

There are worse things to get stuck on your mind

KitΘδς

la dah dah dee dah...la dah dah dee...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:27 PM

@KitΘδς I saw him perform that song in concert. At one point he just stopped playing, and sat there. The audience giggled, then started murmurring, wondering what he was waiting for, until someone (a woman, I think) shouted out "FUCK YOU LOVE BOOBS, THOUGH!", and then he picked it up from there :)

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thank you, deeply and profoundly, for making my life better by sharing Tim Minchin with me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς I'm glad you like him. some of my friends don't, which makes me confused and sad.

KitΘδς

I am sure that when I come to a pause in my next progress meeting, as everyone ponders, I will think "F*ck I love boobs though" and start giggling like mad.

Very unprofessional of me.

But very funny.

Robusto

6:59 PM

Mark it zero, Dude.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Mar 23 at 18:27, by RegDwight

Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man.

KitΘδς

@Robusto !

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 — I know, right?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:12 PM

wanders in, looks around, shakes head, wanders out again

Robusto

Apr 17 at 1:24, by Robusto

@RegDwight — Hahahahahahaha ... I win! Yes!!!! Who knew all it would take was a handful of marzipan babies?

simchona

Dupe: english.stackexchange.com/questions/40040/at-or-in-places

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Q: "Got it at" or "Got it in?"

If someone asked you where you bought something, you could say, I got it at Walmart. but what if instead of referring to a store you were to refer to a city? Would you say, I got it at Chicago. or I got it in Chicago. Somehow when referring to a city, using "in" instead of "at"...

word-choice prepositions

(Where the 2nd link is the older question)

aedia λ

9:45 PM

Empty room is empty?

Alenanno

hey everyone

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Q: Etymology of "Rinse and repeat"

I've noticed that people love to use this phrase: "Rinse and repeat" Where exactly did it come from?

etymology

this is GenRef to me

aedia λ

I was just about to say that

I am laughing reading c2.com/cgi/wiki?LatherRinseRepeat though

> We could go for the (litigation sensitive) approach: "Lather, rinse, repeat. Stop when desired amount of dirt and oil has been removed from hair. WARNING: Too many repetitions may result in [insert bad things here]."

> I think that you're likely to hit some kind of runtime exception instead of an infinite loop. Eventually, you'll run out of shampoo (and be unable to execute Lather), or water (and be unable to execute Rinse) or hair (which removes the need to use shampoo in the first place).

Alenanno

10:00 PM

@aedia going offline, catch you next time :)

user19161

@Alenanno Done!

Alenanno

@JasperLoy Thanks! :) night everyone

aedia λ

@Alenanno G'night!

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

11:26 PM

@Jasper, you see what I see?