TRPG General Chat

12:05 AM

Watched the first Episode of ABC's The Quest today. Interesting conceit, we'll see if the execution is any good as they go on

wax eagle

12:23 AM

it has the potential to be terrible, and the potential to be fun. I'm not sure which at this point. It's a hybrid scripted/unscripted reality drama...

doppelgreener

12:46 AM

@BESW my friends are learning because we play on a small table and big rolls keep destroying everything laid out on it :D

Grubermensch

I've played in a few games where we used dice as tokens on the battlemap.

There have been times when someone has rolled through the map and confused everything.

Magician

Iron Man transforming as Sailor Moon. Glorious.

Also, good morning.

Zachiel

@Grubermensch also this.

BESW

1:52 AM

@doppelgreener Yeah, see, we had that problem but it didn't motivate them to change their habits. Re-rolling provided the motivation, and "roll on a book" gave them a positive (roll here) rather than negative (don't roll there) framework.

Stupid three thousand character limit.

Magician

If your About Me features over three thousand characters, are you sure you're not writing an epic novel series?

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Metool

Hmm, I miss a lot of goings-on without my PC.

BESW

It's this:

USEFUL/INTERESTING LINKS: [Worldbuilding and the Okapi's Butt](http://www.redwombatstudio.com/blog/2013/03/25/worldbuilding-and-the-okapis-butt/); [Making the Tough Decisions](http://www.giantitp.com/articles/tll307KmEm4H9k6efFP.html); [Goblin dice](http://magbonch.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/goblin-dice/); [abstractions are leaky](http://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/35305/4398); [customizable print-and-fold minis](http://www.gnomestew.com/print-and-fold-gnome-miniatures/); [single page papercraft dice tower](http://tektonten.blogspot.com/2009/03/single-page-paper-dice-tower.html); [Consequences as…

Magician

Compact some of the link titles.

"Single page" can easily be removed from "papercraft dice tower".

Metool

"Stalker0's Skill Challenges (4e)"

(Probably loses too much, actually...)

Magician

2:01 AM

Stalker0's Alternate Skill Challenges (4e)

Those two changes should amount to 15 characters.

wax eagle

also, link shortener

Magician

And while we're on the topic, the links are pointing to my old blog address, which at some point will die (when I stop paying for redirect). Replacing "magbonch.wordpress" with "ponderingsongames" should work.

BESW

Ah, right.

I'd like to avoid link shortening if possible, though.

It's relying on a third party to keep the links relephant, and it looks shady.

wax eagle

I understand

Adeptus

@Magician Only if half of those characters die in each book ;)

doppelgreener

2:08 AM

@BESW Link to a Google doc?

Magician

Google keeps messing around with Docs, too. I guess it's not a problem since you can always change that one link in your profile if they stuff it up.

BESW

That's another kind of third-party reliance, and defeats the point of making it quick and easy to access/reference casually.

Clickthrough rates...

doppelgreener

@BESW Fair 'nuff, but it's a third party source entirely in your control. From your profile, link to the doc, if the doc link changes, change your profile. It's very different to if a link shortener decides to delete your link or shut dow.

Maybe sort your links into two groups: put one group in your profile, and then link to a doc containing the rest. For the sake of completeness, include the ones already in your profile in the doc. Identify these and divide them off from the rest: 'Links already in my profile:', followed by a list, then HR, then 'Other links:', then more listing.

BESW

Yar, that sounds like a lot of thinking!

I've cut things down a bit through re-phrasing and cleverness, so...

(http://www.redwombatstudio.com/blog/2013/03/25/worldbuilding-and-the-okapis-bu‌tt/ is the only entry on her blog that day, so http://www.redwombatstudio.com/blog/2013/03/25/ works just as well.)

Magician

Would that work for my site as well, I wonder...

Metool

2:19 AM

Woot.

Magician

Ayup!

Metool

So I had an idea for a Dungeons of Dredmor skill set, called Polkamancy, and I'm wondering if I should classify it as a Wizard or Rogue skill. That decision would determine the way it functions.

wax eagle

@Metool dude, it's a bard skill

Metool

Well yes, but the three Heroic Archetypes are Wizard, Warrior and Rogue, and Bard is a rogue/wizard hybrid.

(See, stats are raised based on the Archetype your skill pick matches at each level up.)

wax eagle

gotcha

so wizard then

doppelgreener

2:29 AM

@waxeagle you missed part of the PHB question ;)

Metool

Alright. Now to decide its primary damage type. Aethereal damage (star-based)? Blasting? Piercing? Existential?

doppelgreener

the asker's wondering how some of the users are quoting the PHB; I left a comment

off i go to get lunch.

wax eagle

@doppelgreener none of our users got advances of the PHB that I'm aware of

that was for the starter

Magician

3:02 AM

Random idea for a single non-linear roll: 2d10, arranged into 1d100 in whichever order you choose. Emulating (Dis)Advantage with other dice.

BESW

@Magician Oh, my.

Magician

Naturally, arranging it for smaller total would emulate Disadvantage. I think it translates quite neatly.

BESW

It does!

I wonder if the effect would be similar, though, numbers-wise...

Magician

To anydice mobile!

Metool

Just guessing that there's more chance of rolling a number that you can't swap around, and a bit better chance of rolling 00 than getting 20 under disadvantage...

(( 1/100 rather than 1/400. ))

Ack, why'd I pull out the OoC parentheses?

BESW

3:10 AM

Ook!

Magician

The effect is, indeed, stronger.

(veeeery lazy coding)

Metool

So... what is that meant to show?

Magician

Chance of success that was 1/4 for a straight roll. The difficulty can be fiddled with easily.

Metool

Hmm, chance of success 1/2?

[fiddles with numbers, gets headache]

Magician

Anydice is remarkably fiddly, one sec.

Ok, new version. Change the SUCCESSCHANCE variable to whatever percentage of "straight" roll should have been successful.

BESW

3:24 AM

My brain is not mathing right now. Translation of graph into words?

Magician

Yet another version, with disadvantages.

In each graph, 0 is chance of failure and 1 is chance of success.

Ugh, it's not treating d10 the way it should be in this case

Ok, this is actually much closer.

doppelgreener

@waxeagle oh ok :'(

a captcha

i now recall someone commenting that captchas are becoming so difficult to read, and computers so good at solving them anyway, that captchas would probably be more effective if we started just running with it and reject any user who actually manages to solve them correctly, because then they must be a computer

Adeptus

@doppelgreener So there's been big improvements in OCR recently?

doppelgreener

3:58 AM

@Adeptus OCR's been improving continuously for ages

news.sciencemag.org/technology/2013/10/…

theverge.com/2014/4/16/5621538/…

but it was just last year OCR passed the milestone of becoming reliably able to break captchas

The Oracle

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Q: Could our spam filter be made extraordinarily paranoid about posts with emails in them?

RPG.SE has been receiving spellcaster spam for years (such as in this 10k only example). I understand that there's some machine learning behind our spam flags, but this stuff seems to regularly fall through the cracks — probably since we talk about priests and spellcasting and witch doctors all t...

doppelgreener

nowadays 'write the number of kittens in this picture in words' may be getting more reliable than captchas, though more complex

Adeptus

I've seen a few "fill in the missing word from this phrase/sentence" types too. Easier for computers to break, but may require complicated parsing to do so

I signed up for a forum last week (may have been EN World?) and the human-check was "fill in the blank: .... and dragons"

doppelgreener

@Adeptus yeah, basically anything which requires human knowledge or skills - not just brute computation or pattern recognition - is going to be pretty good.

but the problem is it also needs to contain enough variety so that people who choose to specifically target your site can't just teach their bot how to deal with your human checks.

and if you're aspiring to be a large community, you risk entering the realm of being worthwhile for spammers to target you specifically.

BESW

[cough]

doppelgreener

4:12 AM

@BESW yeah, so long as the machine comprehends what it's being asked well enough to do a google search

for Fate Looms, I'm still wondering what I'll do exactly. If your only forms of interaction outside a game are creating Looms and inviting people to them, then spammers are going to be mostly cut off - the only way to actually spam anyone is to be invited to their game, or for them to voluntarily join yours.

but they might still choose to do that anyway, because a lot of them will be dumb machines clicking all the links and filling in all the forms they can.

zespri

Gday!

BESW

[wave]

Adeptus

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A: What book can I read to familiarize myself with D&D 5e

Generally Speaking If you pick up the Player's Handbook for 5th Edition, there is literally a full page list of works of fiction that are recommended to immerse oneself in the fantasy mindset. These works cover quite a span of fictional universes, from Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings to Burrough...

I saw a scan of this page on the net somewhere... but now I can't find it

zespri

so how is the phb? everything that everyone has hoped for?

Adeptus

found it

Would it be appropriate to include either that link, or a copy of the pic, in that answer?

BESW

4:48 AM

Huh. I lost about 100 rep to the rep cap yesterday.

Magician

That is a good problem to have.

BESW

Yes.

I need to remember to hand out some bounties...

I've got about 5.8k burnable rep.

doppelgreener

@Adeptus i have no idea. since it's a publicly available photo of a book put on a store shelf, it might be fair game, and people aren't going to be buying D&D 5e for its opening reading list.

But I don't think it falls under Fair Use.

BESW

I'd advise against, but you could take it to meta.

doppelgreener

It's not commentary or criticism of that page, it's just a literal request and provision of its content.

which brings to mind stuff like this:

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Q: How many spells does a swordmage get as they level up?

My friend is starting D&D and his first character is going to be a swordmage. How many spells do they get at level one and how many do they get per level up?

dnd-4e spells character-creation

and my own self-answer which spawned after the original question about it changed completely under my answer's feet:

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Q: What are the planes of D&D 4e? Where did they come from, and how are they connected?

I understand that in D&D 4e's default setting there are planes, and I know a bit about them: the material plane is where the people generally are, and there's a "feywild" where the Eladrin and other weird things are from. What are the others? How do they connect with each other? This is a preser...

dnd-4e planes

though on that one I tried just to collect at a good-enough not-too-detailed level the important bits spread around a few different books, and then point people to those same books if they wanted to read more.

BESW

4:54 AM

@doppelgreener This is a collection and analysis question, rather than a "tell me what it says on that page" question, so I think it's cool.

But yeah, I occasionally flag questions like the other two for "Shady Internet Stuff."

doppelgreener

I'm thinking of replacing all those citations in my answer with [1], [2], etc instead of a whole lot of [MOP 70] etc, and then cite the manuals/pages further down, since the entire answer only cites about ten pages several times each

actually, wait, nope - MOP 70 and DMG 160/161 get cited a few times each, but each other page only gets cited once

BESW

@doppelgreener I'm running out of people to brainstorm campaigns with...

The number of folks exiled from the Spoil-Lair is growing.

doppelgreener

@BESW You need more Spoil-Lairs.

BESW

Mebbeh, but since you're overlapping with Geek Night campaigns now...

doppelgreener

I'm overlapping with at least one story, but not necessarily all of them.

BESW

5:10 AM

Yeah, but like when I design a CD scenario I'm not sure who I'll run it for, or if I'll run it for both.

doppelgreener

5:24 AM

@BESW ah, right - and i suppose you and trogdor may prefer us to be in geek night regularly, so that there's more than just you two?

Aye.

morning

Heyo.

@BESW i see your problem, haha

doppelgreener

6:06 AM

the greatest problem with GMing: the people you want to gush about your stuff with and craft plans with are probably also the people you'd want as players in that game or already have playing in it

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BESW

6:17 AM

This has been a regular challenge, yes.

Adeptus

6:36 AM

@doppelgreener very comprehensive & informative answer

doppelgreener

@Adeptus thanks! I did a lot of research for my own campaign once :)

I'd still love to go back to the campaign's premise, and use the Elemental Chaos in some story in the future. My group consists of four individuals, two of whom don't tend to enjoy fantasy though, so I might have to wait.

Adeptus

The 4e/Points of Light planes are quite different from the traditional D&D planes (it seems like 4e did everything differently to previous versions!)

doppelgreener

Alternately, the two members of my group who actually can make it most regularly are the two who are into fantasy stuff, whilst the two who dislike fantasy elements are the ones rarely able to make it, so maybe I'll do something with the former two?

@Adeptus Yes and they're much better

the traditional planes are boring as hell to me

BESW

@doppelgreener Which is Dan, by the way?

doppelgreener

I seriously don't know how they managed to take a giant cosmos full of all the energies of the universe and turn it into something so boring and lacking of energy, but they did it

@BESW He's in the fantasy camp

so I'm gonna go post to Facebook about that Dresden Files thing, actually...

BESW

6:43 AM

Which Dresden Files thing is that?

doppelgreener

7:03 AM

@BESW the playtest

BESW

Oh, right.

doppelgreener

Righteo, I let them know about it.

Specifically, actually, I let them know I'd like to sign up and run a game, because I want to see how that goes down with them.

We'll see how that works out, this doesn't remotely preclude being available to play in your own Dresden Files game.

(since it remains to be seen if I get a decent response or if we even get into the playtest!)

BESW

Yes.

Either of us.

doppelgreener

@Adeptus also, you might feel differently to me on the traditional D&D planes, so if you're a fan of I'm not going to attack you on it. c(: They're just unfortunately extremely uninspiring for me as a storyteller.

(meanwhile the elemental chaos is alive with stuff I love)

Adeptus

@doppelgreener I haven't really done a lot with the Planes... I'm just used to the pre-4e version... Also, how does Planescape fit in to 4e? Since there aren't the multitude of planes for it to link to?

Magician

7:17 AM

@Adeptus There are still Outer Planes, they just drift in the Astral Sea.

BESW

Mmm. What used to be individual planes are now domains/planetoids/pockets in the Elemental Chaos and the Astral Sea.

doppelgreener

Plane (Dungeons & Dragons)

The planes of the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game constitutes the multiverse in which the game takes place. In the earliest versions of Dungeons & Dragons, the concept of the Inner, Ethereal, Prime Material, Astral and Outer Planes was introduced; at the time there were only four Inner Planes and no set number of Outer Planes. This later evolved into the Great Wheel cosmology. The fourth edition of the game uses a different, very simplified cosmology with just six main planes called the World Axis Cosmology. In addition, some Dungeons & Dragons settings have cosmologies that are very different...

BESW

So if a group wanted to run a Planescape type game, it's just a matter of re-framing the context.

doppelgreener

I dunno about Planescape, but apparently in the Forgotten Realms, the Outer and Inner planes collapsed into one another - the outer into the Astral Sea, the inner into the Elemental Chaos.

Magician

Eberron has its own cosmology, no idea how it worked.

doppelgreener

7:20 AM

whoops, wrong cosmology [fixes]

BESW

Eberron confused me.

doppelgreener

Whyso?

BESW

So far as I can tell, it's got fewer planes than the traditional pre-4e multiverse, but they're more like... planets and comets that orbit each other creating a kind of multiversal astrology.

But they're also totally planes.

I think...

doppelgreener

@BESW the wiki article mentions equating the astral sea and elemental chaos with two dragons

BESW

There's, like a planar equivalent of Nibiru in Eberron.

doppelgreener

7:31 AM

@BESW [reads about this.] A planet that swings past the world, or one that totally slammed into it or otherwise messed with it catastrophically?

BESW

I'm particularly thinking of "a giant planet (called Nibiru or Marduk) [which] passes by Earth every 3,600 years and allows its sentient inhabitants to interact with humanity."

(Mystery Incorporated references this version of Nibiru to great effect.)

([spoiler] says that [spoiler]s aren't [spoiler] because they're [spoiler]ed from [spoiler]s.)

doppelgreener

@BESW clear as mud

@BESW Should I mention the prospect of your own DF game to my group? Have you mentioned it to Dan?

BESW

I might have mentioned it in passing.

Maybe mention that you know someone else who might be running it too, but keep the focus on your running a game for your friends; we have no idea if either of us will get into the playtest anyway.

doppelgreener

@BESW good idea

BESW

(And, frankly, it's probably better to get them hooked on "Greener running a game" and then switch it out for me if necessary, than to try getting them interested in some random unknown guy's online game.)

doppelgreener

7:46 AM

@BESW That phrase in quotes doesn't make sense for me

BESW

@doppelgreener You are no longer Hobbs, so you're now Greener.

doppelgreener

7:57 AM

@BESW Oh right ;)

off I go home

trogdor

9:07 AM

DF?

BESW

DFRPG.

The Dresden Files FAE playtest.

ah ok

Morning

Heyo.

9:22 AM

Hey.

BESW

10:16 AM

....my answer to the "burying yourself" question has skyrocketed to my top ten most voted answers ever in less than a day. [face/palm]

Thank you to the half-dozen subsequent answers for keeping it at the top of the active list.

(And seriously, there are better answers than mine in there. Go upvote them.)

BESW

11:04 AM

@doppelgreener I'm taking a break from serial flagging, so maybe you'd like to take a look at the comments in the answers to this old question of yours? Looks like a lot of chatty/not constructive.

BESW

11:18 AM

Okay, so here's a cthulhu-dark pondering I think I can have outside the Spoil-Lair: what if I use a scenario my players are familiar with, such as an episode of Doctor Who I know they've seen, but in modifying it for Cthulhu Dark the solution is removed?

For example, a Doctor Who episode where the conflict resolution required some technical ability or doohickey which the Doctor possessed but which the human Investigators can't possibly duplicate?

Would the effect be simple frustration, or something more metaliciously complicated?

doppelgreener

@BESW yours is actually p. good

@BESW flagged basically everything

BESW

Thought so.

doppelgreener

your comment on the question is fine tho

@BESW oh man.

if i recognised this

and then realised the actual used solution was unavailable to me

Grubermensch

yeah that could be very bad

doppelgreener

i would go like: "... oh [fiddlesticks] what the [fudge] do we do now we're totally [arsed]"

Grubermensch

11:27 AM

your players could get tunnel vision to the original solution

doppelgreener

that's possible

BESW

[PC goes mad, rants about sound-based carpentry]

BESW

11:39 AM

So, for example, the very first New Who episode Rose, in which plastic comes to life and attacks people. That's resolved by:

1. Knowing the plastic is being controlled via radio waves by a central intelligence. This MIGHT be discovered or deduced by observant and inquisitive humans, but the Doctor started out with the knowledge.
2. Locating the source of the central intelligence. Reasonable for sharp Investigators once the first point is known.
3. Reasoning with or killing a creature made of molten plastic guarded by plastic minions. This was accomplished by the Doctor via a specialised poison he started the episode with; the Nestene Consciousness might actually survive most anything short of a large *bomb*, and …

Using Rose as the basis for a CD game would mean the action starts after the Nestene's plan has been put into motion. The players would instantly know what was up, but their characters would have to discover it... and all the time the players would know that the episode's conclusion was not an option for them.

Or, what about dropping the Investigators into a patch of vashta nerada, the living shadows? The Doctor only managed to get them to back down by flexing his reputation at them.

Aaron

11:54 AM

Morning

BESW

Yo.

Aaron

Anyone know what Quipping is?

doppelgreener

@BESW tbh I might start guiding my character toward the sewer then go: "...wait I can't remember how this episode ended" and flail

BESW

@Aaron Like, improvising witty remarks?

Aaron

I have no idea that is why I am asking.

I don't think that is the meaning though

doppelgreener

12:08 PM

i suspect it is not a city in china

BESW

Context?

Aaron

@Aaron Character thought. How do you feel about quipping?

doppelgreener

I am confused.

Are you not sure what it is still?

because if you are still not sure us telling you what we think about it might not help

because imagine if we tell you it's great and we're talking about a city in china

Aaron

That is the context that the person asked.

doppelgreener

well if you're not sure what you mean it'd be a natural response to, y'know, ask them

even being asked that i'd ask what they mean, it being an odd question

BESW

12:27 PM

My guess is that they're asking what you think about them playing a character who makes frequent quips, in the style of Zorro or Spider-Man.

Joshua Aslan Smith

herro

Aaron

@doppelgreener I did ask them just waiting for a reply. I thought it was a term I just was not aware of.

Joshua Aslan Smith

yes spider-man

Aaron

@BESW Ok.

Metool

@Aaron Pretty much that, yeah.

Aaron

12:30 PM

@Metool Oh. Yea I don't mind that.

Joshua Aslan Smith

so how can I get a best answer for a put on hold questino?

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith Magic!

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith I think you can still comment on them but I think it is frowned on to answer an on hold question in the comments

Metool

12:46 PM

@Aaron I should probably ask to what extent it's acceptable, on a scale from 1 to Monkey Island.

Aaron

@Metool This won't have a mechanical effect right?

Metool

@Aaron Probably not.

Aaron

Then have at it. I am a bit rusty with one liners because I work in an office so I tend to filter myself but I will try to keep up.

Joshua Aslan Smith

1:06 PM

@aaron no my answer was already in

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith the OP can select an answer on a closed question

Joshua Aslan Smith

ah okay

good

well at least he got my info

BESW

1:30 PM

...who's going through and upvoting my high-rated posts?

Not that I'm complaining, mind. But it's the first time I've watched my posts get serially upvoted like that.

wax eagle

@BESW well...it's annoying when the votes get reversed

BESW

mmm.

Still flattering.

What's the alarm point for reversing upvotes?

I just got five upvotes in five minutes.

wax eagle

@BESW not public, but IIRC what we've learned about it, if that's all the same guy, it's probably going to be reversed

BESW

Shame. Depending on how quick it gets reverted I might miss the rep cap.

....waaaaait. How did I just get 5 rep for an upvote on an answer?

Oh, that's the rep cap. [waves] Hi, rep cap!

Joshua Aslan Smith

1:48 PM

haha

wax eagle

@BESW its been happening to me a lot lately....

BESW

Looks like I'm averaging one every 20 days or so? But more clumped up than that would make it sound.

I have a couple of three-month dry spells.

Zachiel

2:22 PM

Hello @Pyrodante

Joshua Aslan Smith

2:55 PM

@besw just read your answer on that 5e buried alive question

that player needs to be slapped

Followed by a face scream of "YOU THINK THIS IS SOME KIND OF GAME!"

MrLemon

^^

Joshua Aslan Smith

Then he gets buried in the manner proscribed by his character

with a rope he can tug when he starts to panic

and then you unbury him and say, "No more trolling"

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith We do have a deleted answer that says, "buy 4x 25 kg of sand. Let the player lay down on the floor and place one bag after another of this sand on him and after each ask him if you should proceed and if he could sleep that way."

MrLemon

I'd say that player's character needs to be left alone in his self-chosen grave after the party gets forced away from their campsite by some nightly event

Joshua Aslan Smith

hahaha

why was it deleted?

BESW

2:59 PM

Because it got a downvote.

Joshua Aslan Smith

ah user self-deletion, I guess for the 1 dv it got

hell id throw a bounty on that question and award it to that person

BESW

Hmm. If that querent accepts an answer I'm liable to get either a Guru or Populist badge.

Accepting my answer gives me a silver Guru badge. Accepting any other answer with upvotes 10 or more (except Brian's) gives me a gold Populist badge.

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith He'd probably be dead before you can unbury him

Joshua Aslan Smith

oh my gosh, best poll ever

comicsalliance.com/poll-the-best-of-summer-2014

@zachiel, depends, 10 minutes for brain death, you usually dont start ot suffocate until 2 minutes

black out

so for safety sake just wait 60 seconds and undig him, have medical team on hand

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith worst summers of the year.

Joshua Aslan Smith

3:15 PM

exactly

died laughing

because honestly, scott summers is the worst

BESW

I.... hm. You are technically correct, for such pedantically narrow definitions of correct that it is not the best kind of correct.

Zachiel

@BESW I'd upvote him

BESW

I'm trying to figure out how to word a comment on it.

> Welcome to rpg.se! Please take a look at the [tour] and the [help]; they're a useful introduction to the site. SE is a Q&A site rather than a forum, and unfortunately this answer appears deliberately pedantic to the point of uselessness.
Maybe editing in some details would help make it clear why it's a good answer to the question (especially, support for your claim that only Gygax-created D&D editions "count" as D&D, despite Gygax himself making statements--and the various legal/cultural arguments--to the contrary).

Mourdos

3:32 PM

pedantic dickwaddery.

I do like the different kinds of answers that question got.

Aaron

@Mourdos ... What?

Mourdos

The one about different versions of D&D, and the comment BESW was making to the guy who answered "There was only one."

Aaron

What does pedantic mean? I would google it but am at work and in the context of what I assume is an insult I don't want to google it just in case.

Mourdos

excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

Aaron

Ah. Gotcha

That was a very good insult I may steal that

Mourdos

3:37 PM

Cheers :-)

BESW

Especially in the context of sharing academic learning when experience- or context-based information/guidance would be more appropriate.

Aaron

I kinda miss trading insults with my brother.

Mourdos

Its best use is when someone is trying to score points by going "but techincally..." when nobody cares

The more eloquent version is calling someone a dickwadding pedant. I like the word pedant for some reason.

Sounds more impressive than pedantic.

Aaron

Yea it kinda flows better

Mourdos

Possibly because it sounds like peasant.

BESW

3:41 PM

Good thing I wasn't trying to be insulting, then.

Mourdos

xD

It is the kind of thing one would say in chat, rather than on the main site, certainly.

BESW

Mmm. Even then, try to keep the genitalia references to a minimum in this chat, at least.

Zachiel

Mr.-Tracy-wadding? Unless that's Spencerwadding, of course.

BESW

"Spencerwadding." I like it.

[adopts]

Zachiel

awww :)

BESW

3:48 PM

"Yer a Spencerwadding haystacker!"

Wordplay turned into nonsense profanity tickles something fundamental in me.

Probably not least because most of our real profanity boils down to wordplay.

Mourdos

That is pretty solid curse near the end of your post.

BESW

(Not a bid for rep; I've already hit the rep cap today.)

Mourdos

I upvoted without even looking at who it was.

BESW

The Curse of Carlisle? It's awesomely comprehensive.

Mourdos

And without being vulgar in any way.

BESW

3:57 PM

Which makes it a great example of the difference between cursing and other types of invective.

Grubermensch

@BESW Now that is an excommunication.

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BESW

@Grubermensch If I had a lot of money, I'd make a short film consisting solely of Helen Mirren declaiming the Curse of Carlisle.

(Or Tilda Swinton. Whichever's available.)

Grubermensch

I am surprised that nothing comes up searching it on Youtube.

I'd have expected somebody to record themselves reciting it.

BESW

I know, right?

The Wikipedia entry on Carlisle just has a small mostly-uncited subsection for it.

Zachiel

@BESW In low light, filmed from below eye's line, reading from a scroll?

BESW

4:07 PM

@Zachiel Nah. Standing on a chalk hill, in late afternoon, shouting over a gathering storm.

Grubermensch

@BESW Most of which is actually about the politics of the monument, and not the curse itself.

BESW

4:49 PM

This morning on the "It's 3am and BESW is still working on this project" jukebox:

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BESW

5:52 PM

urrrgh done. [staggers]

Zachiel

goodnight

Zachiel

6:40 PM

Look: an ad hominem comment history.stackexchange.com/a/14834

Joshua Aslan Smith

dont know how I feel about "martyrdom scores you a VIP seat" as a theological statement

granted its on history.se but thats still pretty flip

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." That's the nearest thing to martyrdom I could find.

Joshua Aslan Smith

Right but I think the poster is conflating catholic or other sect dogma with actual scripture.

aka martyrdom === sainthood

Zachiel

6:56 PM

Ah, I see your point

Anyway, I just wanted people to read the "and you're not Tyler Durden" comment.

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah

which was funny