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11:06 PM
The entire world cup final depends on him...
...and the refs, of course.
 
@Robusto Try half a tab next time.
 
@tchrist - you mentioned in your post that the free dictionary wasn't as good a source as other dictionaries, that it was crowdsourced. I tried to look into it and found nothing. Is there something you can point me to that will explain this?
 
@medica I had assumed it was a Wiktionary wannabe. Is it elsewise?
 
Hi @medica :D
 
hi skull
well, it's sourced from several dictionaries - Collins, Mirriam Webster, etc. i wondered why you thought it was a secondary source.
 
11:14 PM
@medica the gang here has been asking about you...
 
@Robusto Loke is not your average poodle :)
 
@skullpatrol I'll have to read the transcript, I saw no reference; it's a good group there.
:)
 
Yay, we were shocked when you were suspended :-(
I make you part owner of the room to cheer you up.
Then they removed both of us.
 
@medica free
 
Free means secondary?
@skullpatrol :(
@skullpatrol (so was I! :D)
 
11:23 PM
> The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (AHD) is an American dictionary of English published by Boston publisher Houghton Mifflin, the first edition of which appeared in 1969. Its creation was spurred by the controversy over the Webster's Third New International Dictionary.

James Parton, the owner of the history magazine American Heritage, was appalled by the permissiveness of Webster's Third, published in 1961, and tried to buy the G. and C. Merriam Company so he could undo the changes. When that failed, he contracted with Houghton to publish a new dictionary. The AHD w
I’m not so sure that is particularly respectable.
> The main source of TheFreeDictionary's general English dictionary is Houghton Mifflin's premier dictionary, the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. This authoritative work is the largest of the American Heritage® dictionaries and contains over 200,000 boldface terms and more than 33,000 written examples. The Fourth Edition also incorporates more than 10,000 new words.

Containing 260,000 entries, the general dictionary is augmented with Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, and is enhanced by 30,000 illustrations, an audio pronunciation f
> After about a decade of preparation, G. & C. Merriam issued the entirely new Webster's Third New International Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged (commonly known as Webster's Third, or W3) in September 1961. It was edited by Philip Babcock Gove and a team of lexicographers who spent 757 editor-years and $3.5 million. It contained more than 450,000 entries, including over 100,000 new entries and as many new senses for entries carried over from previous editions.

Although it was an unprecedented masterwork of scholarship, it was met with considerable criticism for its descripti
One criticizes a dictionary for describing how language is used instead of prescribing how it “should” be used? Really?
That sounds like nonsense.
 
Anonymous
About which, see David Skinner's The Story of Ain't
 
Hmm... politically interesting, but still unsure it fails to be a primary source. I personally don't use the American Heritage dictionary much; don't care for it. Miriam Webster Collegiate has been my go-to dictionary; I love it. It is in the free dictionary compilation. Along with others.
 
> The dictionary's treatment of "ain't" was subject to particular scorn, since it seemed to overrule the near-unanimous denunciation of that word by English teachers.
 
Hey, snail!
 
Anonymous
Hello!
 
11:29 PM
how are the little ones? and the parents/ Are they holding up under the demands of the 30+ little ones? ;-)
 
Anonymous
Ah, snails don't really do any child-rearing. The babies fend for themselves from the day they hatch! :-)
 
Anonymous
And they grow very fast. They reach adulthood in about 11-12 weeks.
 
Lucky parents... would that that were true for humans!
 
Anonymous
Except for one of the babies, which hatched 15 days late
 
oh, a latecomer!
So they're ready to go outside?
 
Anonymous
11:31 PM
Most of the babies are safely living outside now :-)
 
Anonymous
I kept the tiny baby.
 
@medica I misunderstood where it was sourced from.
 
Awww.... do you miss them, or do you feel like a proud parent?
 
@tchrist np, mistakes happen
I use it to
 
@tchrist so you feel it is ok as a primary source?
@skullpatrol great!
 
Anonymous
11:32 PM
I felt kind of bad, but it's not really practical for me to care for 41 adult snails at the moment
 
@medica It appears curated. I do not, however, fathom the admixture of AHD and Collins.
 
:(... so demanding! do you have their graduation pictures?
 
I also don’t understand why/how it even exists, since both AHD and Collins exist separately.
 
@tchrist I still like webster's
 
@medica 3rd, yes.
 
11:34 PM
They are all seperate in the listings.
 
The rest of them are too boiled down to be of much use to me.
 
Well, it's not the OED, but then it's free.
 
@medica See daddy rat? Eeeeeeeeeeek!!!
That’s the mnemonic for the number-one most frequently misspelled word in the English language.
separateSee pa rat? Eeeee! pa == daddy
 
the online OD is really awful
 
What’s that, ODO you mean?
 
11:36 PM
omg, that's one I always struggle with!
yes.
 
I wouldn’t call it awful.
 
@tchrist that is an interesting fact?
 
Anonymous
They renamed the interface to the ODE/NOAD "Oxford Dictionaries", which I feel is confusing. They avoid naming the dictionaries specifically
 
it's just awful
 
@snailboat I’m confuzzled.
@skullpatrol Number two is occurrence.
 
11:38 PM
@tchrist Orly
 
that one I have no trouble with.
 
These are grrreeat :D
 
but I'm always corrected for separate
 
not any more
 
:D
 
11:39 PM
:D
 
if I remember the mnemonic
 
Well, ¡Para! means stop in Spanish, and a parada is a stop like of a bus or train. Separation and preparation all come from the same place. Desperation is of course different.
 
I think it's because we pronounce it (well, we regular folk) sep-er-ate
 
Para means "prepare, be ready!".
 
that's a good way to remember it.
I'm glad to know I'm not alone, though.
 
11:42 PM
Seperate?
It is an easy to make typo.
 
-aration: disquiparation, equiparation, fissiparation, gulf-separation, inseparation, preparation, reparation, separation, and unpreparation.
 
But Autohotkey makes it so that I always type separate.
 
-eration: adoperation, asperation, attemperation, co-operation, depauperation, desperation, exasperation, flap-operation, imperation, magnoperation, micro-operation, non-co-operation, operation, pre-operation, prosperation, pseudo-operation, recouperation, recuperation, reoperation, superation, teleoperation, vituperation, and whisperation.
 
hmm... interesting lists
 
Anonymous
The Oxford Dictionary of English (ODE) is a fairly sizable dictionary of Modern English, considerably smaller than the OED, with rather different aims. The NOAD is a smaller American English version of the same thing. They used to be the primary dictionaries available from oxforddictionariesonline.com (hence ODO), but they moved the site to oxforddictionaries.com, ruining a perfectly good acronym
 
11:44 PM
Sigh.
 
Poor Odo, went the way of the dodo.
To the netherworld, where the shadows lie.
 
The nether regions are one’s butt.
 
Anonymous
The ODE has a lot of examples taken from the Oxford English Corpus, tagged with one of ten dialect groups. The electronic version has an absolutely enormous number of real example sentences.
 
@snailboat they are morally corrupt to charge, what, 200 pounds/year?
 
Anonymous
But the freely available online version has a pared down set of examples.
 
11:46 PM
@snailboat I have tried it on multiple occasions and always leave frustrated.
 
@snailboat It has been subject to paration then you’re saying? :)
 
@tchrist So offensive. You countryist!
 
Nethermores
 
Anonymous
@medica The OED, on the other hand, is a very different dictionary, a much larger historical dictionary compiled over a longer period of time with different goals in mind, and is not accessible through that site. It costs a lot for an individual subscription, but it's worth checking to see if any library cards available to you give you free access
 
hmm... would a library card give you access at home?
 
11:49 PM
if you go through the library web site
 
I assume you can only do that at the library?
 
Anonymous
Yes. The library cards I have access to here give me access to a number of online resources, including academic databases, from home using my library card number
 
Anonymous
I can't speak for your local library system(s), but it's worth checking it out.
 
wow!
 
they might...
 
Anonymous
11:50 PM
@tchrist That's a nice derivation :-)
 
Wow! really, I'm impressed. I need to find out if our library does that.
 
@snailboat I’m trying for reënforcement here. It’s an aide-mémoire for @medica.
 
My (university) library gives me access to the OED online.
But it's far more convenient to install it on your own computer.
 
No kidding.
 
@Cerberus and far more expensive...
 
11:52 PM
You can just download it somewhere...
 
However, that’s the OED2⁺, which is different from the OED3 in some cases.
 
?!
 
mumbles
 
If you have access to it anyway, why not download it?
 
stealing
 
11:53 PM
Nope.
 
kinda
 
You're not taking anything away from them.
 
Who no longer has it?
 
And you already have access to it anyway.
"Stealing" information is a metaphor./
 
you're paying for convenience
 
11:54 PM
I'm not paying.
 
lol
 
I will donate some money to Oxford once I get some.
 
you're supposed to pay for convenience
 
Tsk.
 
hahaha...
 
11:55 PM
Convenience should pay for itself.
 
You're supposed not to use the Swiss flag in a way that might possibly displease the Swiss ambassador. It's a law here. Only for Switzerland.
 
I don't steal... not since I was about 13, anyway.
 
You've never stolen a kiss?
 
I have to think about that...
I've been married 30+ years...
 
nobody stole your heart?
 
11:56 PM
and my husband is not the stealing kind.
oh, yes, I've been stolen from
maybe I stole a heart or two, too.
 
thief :D
 
Yes, thief!
 
ooo, stolen moments and stuff, too! :D
but I'm boringly honest.
 
If you have stolen a heart or two, which I do not doubt, then why not steal a bit of information that does no harm?
 
I respect intellectual property, and someone else's labor.
If they demand an outrageous price for it, I figure my choice is to not buy it.
 
11:59 PM
I have hardcopy. And I suspect my library card gives me online access.
So tell me again why can I not use the electronic copy on my own computer?
 
hardcopy?! What is that, 30 pounds of paper?
 
@medica So you recognize it is not literal stealing?
 
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