English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

12:00 AM

@RegDwigнt We know what he means, even if he can't spell his own name.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto not when they shove them right into your face while also not shoving the video.

terdon

@Robusto Hey, he can, he just knows that you barbarians won't be able to read it!

RegDwigнt

Varvarians, please.

The Greek is varvar.

Only varvars pronounce it barbar.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt People are always shoving YouTube comments in your face. How come they're so seldom shoving nice boobs in your face? I mean, I ask you. Why?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto because 1. them's people and 2. people's the worst and 3. no profit.

Robusto

12:01 AM

The ratio should be reversed.

RegDwigнt

You mean like 1:1?

Cerberus

@Robusto Then you're doing it wrong...

Robusto

I'd like to be able to say, once in my life, "Oh, no. Please, I can't handle another nice set of boobs in my face."

RegDwigнt

@Robusto well. Technically you can. Right now.

Actually you just did.

Robusto

But it would be a lie. I can handle another set.

RegDwigнt

12:02 AM

Robusto

And if I can't, I can probably make a vacancy.

RegDwigнt

Sorry, wrong president.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Stop making this about idiots. I'm talking about boobs. Do I have to draw you a picture?

RegDwigнt

Robusto

Bush doesn't even show up on the first page.

RegDwigнt

12:04 AM

I dunno, this is enough for all Bushes.

Even Babs.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt If I could only have one spectacular act of civil disobedience for my whole life, I would want it to be to spell that sign: "Mission Acomplish".

RegDwigнt

No Merkin would object or notice.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I can't unsee that now. Why are you the way you are?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto it's in the top row in the link you posted.

Stop googling for Babs.

Robusto

And then there's this one.

RegDwigнt

12:08 AM

Alice in chains we can believe in.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Maybe in Krautland. In America, we prefer our boobs straight up. Not with a twist.

RegDwigнt

It's just a twist on my boobriety.

Where are the restrooms here?

I never saw one.

The starred wall is full of capitalism. Paying customers, room's owners, bills upon completion, offers to chew gum, and of course spam.

I should have voted for The Evan instead.

Cerberus

@Robusto I don't see it.

RegDwigнt

You are blowing your cover.

Cerberus

Oops.

Robusto

12:20 AM

@RegDwigнt You want socialism in chat? That's what a Red would say.

RegDwigнt

You are supposed to be seeing the wood and the wood alone.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt And that's not the only thing . . .

RegDwigнt

@Robusto according to OVER 9000 people on the main site, my name is Red.

Cerberus

Tsk.

RegDwigнt

I just go with the flow.

Cerberus

12:21 AM

And you're supposed to think of it alone.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt You are the Maxi-Pad of mods.

RegDwigнt

See, even Google is in on it.

"Did you mean: Red Dwight?"

Yes, Red Dwight Eisenhower, biatches.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Serves you right, spelling your name with faux-Cyrillic letters.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto nah.

That one was never misspolen.

Robusto

Yah.

RegDwigнt

12:23 AM

It's actual native ananasses not being able to figure out the short form of Reginald.

Robusto

Nobody likes faux-Cyrillic, btw. Just so you know.

RegDwigнt

I'll tell him next time I see him.

Robusto

So, Russia. Sounds like they have a serious youth shortage over there.

RegDwigнt

They keep misspelling me RedDwight on other sites, too. Where they barely support the 26 English letters.

Robusto

The radio said their population is aging faster than Japan's.

RegDwigнt

12:25 AM

Not to mention Reddit, but what do you expect from a site with such a name.

Robusto

Should be Regdit.

RegDwigнt

Reggit.

The full nine yargs.

Robusto

Yar.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto well that's because the people who are not aging have fled the country.

Which is not exactly the same with Japan.

Robusto

I guess you call that outward mobility.

RegDwigнt

12:27 AM

Well no, not quite. You could outwardmobilize the old, too.

Then you'd be the youngest country on Earth.

Robusto

They put up with the whole Stalin-to-Gorbachev thing. They're too proud to go around poutin' about Putin.

RegDwigнt

Ra-ra-ras Putin, lover of the Russian Queen.

He's totally on the ritz, too.

Robusto

Hey, no gay talk in Russia.

RegDwigнt

See, that's another reason.

All gays have to flee the country, too.

And have you ever seen an old gay?

Robusto

I saw Lord of the Rings. Does Gandalf count?

RegDwigнt

12:29 AM

Probably all the way to three.

Robusto

You . . . shall not . . . pass!

RegDwigнt

But mostly he just wiggles around with his staff.

Robusto

I always wondered why, if he has a cool staff like that, he ever picked up a sword. He must not have ever played any RPGs.

RegDwigнt

Peaches Gaydalf.

Robusto

I mean, he's a magic DPS class, not a warrior.

Speaking of which, I think I should go play more Watch_Dogs.

Laters.

RegDwigнt

12:32 AM

Yeah and I should be sleeping.

Morrows.

npst

12:42 AM

o hai

so... how are we thinking about people giving answers in comments?

terdon

1:28 AM

@npst Depends. Standard (polite) proceedure is i) leave them a comment suggesting they turn their into an answer ii) wait. iii) post the answer yourself, giving credit.

Standard procedure is: iii) post the answer yourself, giving credit.

Cerberus

Pôs echeis?

Ti pratteis?

Or how do you say "how are you?" in modern Greek?

terdon

Ti kaneis

:)

Τι κάνεις;

Mitch

1:44 AM

how about ancient Greek?

Cerberus

@terdon Ah, what's new?

Shahar

Hey guys

Cerberus

@Mitch My examples were in Ancient Greek.

Shahar

Let's say two people are fighting and are about to fight

What do I say? I want a more formal version of "it's getting heated in here"

Cerberus

Ohh it is from kamnô, I see. So no "new".

I was thinking of kainos.

@Shahar "The fight is about to begin"?

Theodore Broda

1:51 AM

@Shahar It is becoming impassioned/animated/spirited in here.

@terdon @Cerberus Καλησπέρα, philhellenes.

terdon

@Cerberus Not much. Still waiting for the damn football season to be over.

@TheodoreBroda Καλησπέρα yourself!

tchrist

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A: substitute for peripeteia

Actually the definition you offer more closely matches Aristotle’s term anagnōrisis (ἀναγνώρισις), recognition, notably the recognition of the truth by the tragic hero: definition in Liddell-Scott-Jones lexicon here; usage in Aristotle’s Poetics 1452a here, where Fyfe translates anagnōrisis as “d...

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Et tibi.

@terdon Just ignore it, as we did yesterday.

The city was really nice and quiet.

Theodore Broda

@terdon Do you instead enjoy pankration, diskos, or other Classical sports? Maybe @Cerberus likes πάλη σκυλιών, as he has the advantage of three heads, and if he were killed, he could just leave the Underworld again.

terdon

2:07 AM

I can enjoy doing sports. Watching most of them is boring, soccer particularly so.

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Theodore Broda

@terdon What sports do you like to play?

terdon

Well, I used to enjoy basketball and volley but I haven't really played them in a while. I also did a lot of ice skating. That's about it for "organized" sports.

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda What the Greek says. But what is πάλη σκυλιών?

terdon

Heh, I used to boast that I was among the top 10 or top 20 best ice skaters in Greece.

Quite true too.

Cerberus

Ah, skating, the Greek national sport.

tchrist

2:10 AM

@Cerberus Due to their arctic climate.

terdon

The fact that there were only about 30-40 people who knew how to skate took nothing away from my glory.

Cerberus

@tchrist Precisely.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus Dog-fighting

terdon

Hey, we came in 3rd in an international ice hockey competition once!

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Oh, really?

@terdon Haha, well, I don't know what to say. I think that sport is mostly played inside?

terdon

2:11 AM

There were 4 countries competing. Greece beat Turkey.

I knew the guys who were on the team, only 2 of them had ever played before being asked to join. I think the other contenders were Israel and Lebanon or something equally apt.

Cerberus

@terdon That's the only thing that counts, right?

Theodore Broda

@terdon If you eat Turkey, there is usually some Greece left behind.

terdon

That must have been so much fun though. All these southern Mediterranean types desperately trying to hit the puck and falling over themselves :)

@TheodoreBroda Ouch :)

@Cerberus Indeed.

Theodore Broda

@terdon I guess that ice isn't the preferred playing terrain of the Mediterranean.

@terdon Mediterranean people have been falling over themselves since Narcissus.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Isn’t that where they charge for ice in drinks — by the cube? :)

Theodore Broda

2:20 AM

Maybe there could be some good snowboarders from the Levant or Arabia, if they sand-board enough.

@tchrist It seems that Americans are more generous with ice cubes in drinks than other countries. In Europe they seem reluctant to use ice cubes as well.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Mmm, sandboarding.

In Austria, at a place I once worked, their cafeteria had one of those fruit-juice machines you find at hotels and cafeterias. The Austrians thought it barbaric that the apple juice or orange juice came out cold, so they would always nuke the glass of it they’d just poured from the machine for 10–15 seconds to unchill it.

Nutters.

The Germans were similarly chary of ice.

Cerberus

@tchrist How cold?

I prefer orange juice a bit above fridge temperature, at 10 degrees.

tchrist

@Cerberus Just the normal fridge temp, the way it is supposed to be. :)

Cerberus

Water should be tap temperature, which is, what, 13?

tchrist

Huh?

Cerberus

2:30 AM

@tchrist And how cold is that?

tchrist

That’s silly.

Cerberus

What is?

tchrist

That there is a “tap” temperature.

Cerberus

Well, it does vary.

tchrist

In Texas during the summer, the “cold” water runs hot to the touch.

In Colorado during the summer, the cold water still runs cold.

Cerberus

2:31 AM

Occasionally, it gets a bit too warm in summer here. In winter, sometimes it gets too cold. But most of the time it's fairly constant.

tchrist

Then again, Boulder gets its water from a glacier. But it is put through so much processing first, I doubt that matters.

Cerberus

At any rate, fridge temperature is far too cold for water.

tchrist

I prefer ice water to be colder than the fridge: that’s why you put ice in it in the first place!!

Cerberus

Ice water?

tchrist

That’s what people ask for, you realize.

Theodore Broda

2:33 AM

I would rather die of dehydration than drink water at ambient temperature. I require large quantities of ice, as do many other people here in the South. One thing I do like about the South is the refreshing iced teas. I also usually drink iced coffee; not even my hot beverages are hot!

Cerberus

As in, water with ice, no flavour?

tchrist

They do not want tepid water.

They want ICE WATER.

Cerberus

13 degrees is not tepid.

tchrist

To serve them warm water is nasty.

Cerberus

People here do not drink ice water, why would they?

tchrist

2:33 AM

No one here doesn’t.

Why would they want water without ice in it? ICK!!

You should move to Austria.

Cerberus

A very exotic but original custom.

tchrist

Doubts.

Cerberus

What is its origin? Some marketing campaign?

tchrist

Huh?

No, hot weather, duh.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus Thirteen degrees Fahrenheit is not tepid. On the other hand, thirteen degrees centigrade is quite lukewarm for my American preferences.

Cerberus

2:35 AM

I have heard rumours of American fridges' having special ice-making devices in them, as in, not just a freezing compartiment.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Yeah, not worth bothering with.

Cerberus

If the weather is very hot, then I suppose some ice makes sense.

tchrist

@Cerberus No fridge lacks an ice-maker.

Just as no hotel lacks one.

Cerberus

I say marketing campaign.

tchrist

You’re wrong.

Ice is free.

Unless you buy it at the gas station.

But from the fridge, it is as good as free.

Cerberus

2:36 AM

Although I do have to admit your omnipresent A/C is desirable.

@tchrist But the ice-makers are not free.

And the gas station can charge extra for ice.

@TheodoreBroda So exotic.

tchrist

A standard fridge has an ice dispenser and a cold-water dispenser on the exterior.

@Cerberus No, you’re just um insular? Naïve? Unfamiliar with other customs?

Cerberus

Hey, "almost every country in the world" is not an insula!

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus My refrigerator makes ice cubes, crushed ice, and chilled water automatically, and has a cup-shaped recess in the door with a lever that when pressed dispenses ice/water, so that I don't even need to open a drawer. This is quite standard in America. What are Dutch fridges like?

Cerberus

Just a cold cupboard?

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Not real ones, apparently.

@TheodoreBroda I think everybody’s is like that.

Cerberus

2:39 AM

I would maybe use ice in certain alcoholic drinks that I don't even have the ingredients for at home.

Like a Martini, because it's too sweet otherwise.

tchrist

I just had a glass of limeade from the fridge, which of course I poured over a glass full of ice to drink.

Cerberus

But ice hurts the teeth so badly...

tchrist

You don’t eat the ice, silly!

It keeps your drink cold.

Otherwise your drink becomes icky.

Cerberus

What temperature is your house, and why is fridge temperature not cold enough?

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus When I am thirsty, I sometimes crunch on ice cubes. Refreshing!

tchrist

2:40 AM

I don’t drink from a thermos.

Cerberus

Actually, water at 7 degrees already causes me pain on many days.

My house has been around 21 degrees stable since mmm March.

Before that, it was more like 18 most of the time.

@TheodoreBroda I would die.

tchrist

The fridge should be 35 to 38 degrees. However, my house is not.

And I just came in from working outside in the garden in the sun.

That means my glass of limeade would have quickly warmed up to pond temperatures.

Cerberus

Then tap water should be a nice refreshment.

Oh, well.

tchrist

At which point, you would throw it to the pollywogs.

Theodore Broda

My family probably uses about two liters of ice per day. We like ice, and don't particularly care about conserving water.

Cerberus

2:43 AM

You didn't tell me what temperature your house was.

tchrist

@Cerberus I can’t.

My house is not a temperature.

Cerberus

And 38F is extremely cold for a fridge, a waste of energy...

Your house was devoid of moving atoms when you decided to get a drink? I didn't know you had such good latencies from the ISS.

tchrist

I have like a five–half-storey home. The indoor temperature varies from like 66–82 depending on how far up or down the house you are.

Theodore Broda

My house is at approx. 25 deg centigrade, although the thermostat is off.

tchrist

@Cerberus Your food will rot.

Cerberus

2:45 AM

My foot is well shod.

tchrist

> If you have read How Food Preservation Works, then you know that the purpose of a refrigerator is to slow down the growth of bacteria. The purpose of a freezer is to stop bacteria completely by freezing them solid. We would freeze everything if we could, but some foods change dramatically when you freeze them -- lettuce, strawberries, milk and eggs are just a few of the foods that don't freeze well. It would also be inconvenient to thaw liquids every time you wanted to drink something.

Therefore, you want your refrigerator to be cold, but not so cold that it freezes things. The preferred…

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus Do the Dutch enjoy fermented foods?

Cerberus

@tchrist You sound Dutch, by the way.

@TheodoreBroda Sure, who doesn't?

@tchrist Ah, not the Puritan germophobia again...go wash your ergs in chloride, quick!

Chlorine?

tchrist

@Cerberus Fridge Facts, Courtesy of the FDA.

Read ’em and weep.

> To ensure that your refrigerator is doing its job, it’s important to keep its temperature at 40 °F or below

Cerberus

Bah, everyone knows state agencies are faaaaaar on the safe side of reality.

tchrist

2:47 AM

Otherwise, die.

Cerberus

You will die of allergies and frozen teeth...

tchrist

> The Federal government estimates that there are about 48 million cases of foodborne illness annually–the equivalent of sickening 1 in 6 Americans each year. And each year these illnesses result in an estimated 128,000 hospitalizations and 3,000 deaths.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist Incidentally, in an attempt to cool down a hard-boiled egg quickly, I once stuck it in the freezer temporarily, but then forgot about it. The next day I thawed it and tried to eat it. Let me just say that there is a good reason that nobody freezes eggs.

tchrist

@Cerberus I prefer jewels.

Cerberus

Ah, you spite-waiter. Exactly two minutes, huh? You didn't even pretend.

> Even after the researchers accounted for factors that could affect rates of allergies, such as race or ethnicity and socioeconomic status, the strong association between being born in the U.S. and the higher risk of allergic diseases remained.

tchrist

2:50 AM

@TheodoreBroda Yeah, ever see what happens to an egg-salad sandwich that gets frozen?

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus Tell that to the people dying of asbestos-related mesothelioma, the bird populations that were decimated by DDT, and the children who got poisoned by lead pipes.

tchrist

@Cerberus I am a patient man.

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Fallacy.

tchrist

@Cerberus Please watch your language: he’s a minor.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist But rugged miners are accustomed to profanity.

Cerberus

2:52 AM

> Country Annual deaths per 100,000 inhabitants from food-borne illnesses
USA 1.0
France 0.75
Australia 0.5

tchrist

It’s the potato salad.

Cerberus

It's like guns: if you have many gun deaths, you need to arm people better to fight the guns!!

tchrist

It’s always the potato salad.

Unless it’s the hamburger.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus The Netherlands: Putting the salmonella back in salmon.

Cerberus

Just as you need to pump up the war on drugs if you want to reduce drug crimes!!

@TheodoreBroda ?

tchrist

2:54 AM

@TheodoreBroda And taking the pasteur out of the milk.

Still think it’s the potato salad.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist E. coli, or if you're lucky, bovine spongiform encephalopathy prions. Yum!

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Thank goodness I’d already sworn off the boof when I lived in England. It was before it was known.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist Usually caused by poorly refrigerated mayonnaise. Notice a correlation?

skullpatrol

!!wiki pasteurization

Jarvis the Bot

Pasteurization

Pasteurization or pasteurisation is a process of heating food, which is usually a liquid, to a specific temperature for a predefined length of time and then immediately cooling it after it is removed from the heat. It is named after microbiologist Louis Pasteur for his work on his pasteurization process. This process slows spoilage caused by microbial growth in the food. Unlike sterilisation, pasteurization is not intended to kill all micro-organisms in the food. Instead, it aims to reduce the number of viable pathogens so they are unlikely to cause disease (assuming the pasteurized pr...

tchrist

2:57 AM

@TheodoreBroda Oh aye.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist I'm vegetarian, so I avoid the infected beef too.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda That was my excuse.

Hm, alibi?

In any event, I didn’t touch the stuff.

The Great British BSE Scare came out soon thereafter. And I was much relieved.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus It's worse than you think; I've seen five-year-olds with shotguns around here, and I think that they are "late learners" anyways.

@tchrist BSE is one of the few diseases where the colloquial name is even scarier than the medical one.

Cerberus

3:26 AM

@TheodoreBroda Hilarious.

@TheodoreBroda Well, do you really need to refrigerate mayonnaise?

It's mostly fat, and it is acidic. Supermarkets and other shops store it at room temperature.

Have you ever in your life seen spoiled mayonnaise? I have not, and I keep it for very long periods of time. My parents are even worse.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus No, but I have heard apocryphal stories. Unopened mayonnaise is sold in supermarkets, but everyone in America refrigerates their mayonnaise after opening.

Cerberus

No offence, but that means little.

I store opened mayonnaise refrigerated, but I honestly doubt whether it is truly necessary.

Theodore Broda

Most U.S. mayonnaise is primarily made with hydrogenated soybean oil, so I actually doubt if it needs refrigeration. Just stay away from any American potato salad though; it almost always seems to be a source of food poisoning (as well as oysters).

@tchrist I also usually avoid human flesh, so kuru isn't an issue, either.

medica

a question, don't know if I should bring to a mod's attention, would like a second opinion, please. Yoichi Oishi posted 4 comments on a question about punctuation which were clearly meant for another post (the one on animus). I already flagged for migration. Do you think I should do anything more?

Theodore Broda

3:41 AM

@medica That sounds like an appropriate response; I can't think of anything else necessary.

medica

thanks @TheodoreBroda - I agree that nothing else is necessary. I was wondering if anything else was prudent.

Matt Эллен

9:23 AM

morning

Johan Larsson

lunchning

Matt Эллен

you future dwellers! always lording it over us in the present

Andrew Leach

But then we do that too to the poor still-benighted over the pond.

Matt Эллен

true :D

but they're in the past, so that's fine

RegDwigнt

So we have people complaining that body hair and head hair are both hair, and we have people complaining that some cars are cars, but other carriages are carriages.

If we use the same word for different things, people complain. If we use different words for different things, people complain. — RegDwigнt ♦ 36 secs ago

Andrew Leach

9:36 AM

Railway carriages are coaches, not carriages or cars.

Matt Эллен

I think Thomas the Tank Engine would disagree

Annie and Clarabell were carriages

Andrew Leach

But that's Awdrey, not ATOC and Porterbrook.

Matt Эллен

:D

RegDwigнt

!!lego 79108

Jarvis the Bot

brickset.com/detail/?Set=79108-1

RegDwigнt

9:38 AM

This is a coach.

Matt Эллен

also a coach

RegDwigнt

That's your problem right there.

Matt Эллен

probably

user116848

Hello

user116848

Restrooms are for paying customers only. Is this the topic of the day?

user116848

9:50 AM

Who put it here?

Andrew Leach

11 hours ago, by Robusto

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Restrooms are for paying customers only. (no tags)

Matt Эллен

Oh! I didn't read that. I've been using the restrooms with out buying anything

Hello

user116848

So who talks about the room topic eh? hehe

Matt Эллен

we do!

user116848

Hi Matty :)

Matt Эллен

9:53 AM

Hi

user116848

So have you ever paid for the restroom? haha

Matt Эллен

not here. But at Paddington Station in London, yes

user116848

I have. Sadly

user116848

Shit happens :) Right

user116848

haha

Matt Эллен

9:54 AM

without doubt

user116848

Kinda gross topic. I think you should change it to something pleasant

user116848

Like "Drinking coffee in monsoon"

Matt Эллен

eh... I'll leave it for now

RegDwigнt

The Paddington Station sucks. Small station, ton of padding.

Matt Эллен

lol

user116848

9:57 AM

Is that why they named it paddington "Lots of padding"??

user116848

:)

Matt Эллен

no :Þ

RegDwigнt

The British are unpredictable like that. Also, not like that.

user116848

So a joke :D

Matt Эллен

!!wiki paddington bear

Jarvis the Bot

9:57 AM

Paddington Bear

Paddington Bear is a fictional character in children's literature. He first appeared on 13 October 1958 and was subsequently featured in more than twenty books written by Michael Bond and first illustrated by Peggy Fortnum. The polite bear from darkest Peru, with his old hat, battered suitcase (complete with a secret compartment, enabling it to hold more items than it would at first appear), duffle coat and love of marmalade has become a classic character from English children's literature. Paddington books have been translated into 30 languages across 70 titles and sold more than 30 mi...

RegDwigнt

Oh my. So many jokes in there.

user116848

So it was named after this "bear" ?

RegDwigнt

Fortnum.

Matt Эллен

@Arrowfar nah

but I like to think it was

the bear was named after the station

RegDwigнt

It was named after James Bond, who was then renamed after archangel Michael.