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5:00 PM
I couldn't be assed to combine them myself since I don't really care about the gold I'm getting anyway
 
HC rubies sell for literally triple the value of SC rubies.
 
Can you sell gold directly on the RMAH?
(and if so, does anyone actually buy it?)
 
@Sterno Yes
@Sterno Probably
 
Is that the $4/50mil you were talking about?
 
@Sterno Yea, that was the listed ratio when I looked last night
 
5:02 PM
So 750 mil for $60 expansion
Or is it $40?
 
500 mil then
@Frank What are you even at, gold-wise?
 
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But that's before the 15% cut
 
Oh, right.
 
5:03 PM
SO more like 600m
 
bah, the best you can do on EU SC is radiant star rubies, for ~5% profit. EU HC has potential though.
 
@Sterno Roughly around 150 million.
 
@Frank So you're 25% of the way to buying the expansion! Do you have enough time?
 
@Sterno I've done this in about four days.
 
The AH goes down pretty soon, right?
 
5:04 PM
@Frank In 13 days the AH goes away.
 
@Sterno 18th
 
@Sterno 13 days.
 
Plenty of time!
 
So at that level of gold acquisition, I should manage it.
 
Of course, the longer you wait, the less people will bother buying
(probably)
 
5:05 PM
But it snowballs, the more you have.
 
Or they'll go absolutely nuts at the end
 
Based on the prices I saw this morning, Amethysts were the most profitable FS > PS
@Frank But it also takes longer to craft.
 
@OrigamiRobot True dat.
I'm crafting another 2000 or so right now.
 
Jin
@MBraedley I never imagined that I'd give myself seizure.
 
Based on 7am EST
 
5:08 PM
21 mins ago, by MBraedley
@badp Oh, I was referring to the @SepiaLazers avatar
 
@Frank And selling more at once give more time to get undercut.
 
@OrigamiRobot You're not taking into account higher tiers.
Which is where Perfect Stars are worth more right now.
 
19 mins ago, by Origami Robot
@Arperum In fact, I'm not even going to bother putting higher tiers in my spreadsheet.
 
@OrigamiRobot holy shit profit ranges. EU SC is terrible :( max ~5% profit
 
If I were going to do that, I'd have to take into account all the situations of buying at X tier and selling at Y tier gives Z profit.
 
5:11 PM
EU HC has the potential for stupig high earnings though. But I'm not going to bother for HC, I wouldn't use it anyway. And not enough gain for SC.
 
That's way too much work and checking 8 prices is far easier than ~28
 
Flawless Stars are where it's at right now.
@OrigamiRobot My spreadsheet does that already.
It also takes into account if it's cheaper to buy it, and craft from that stage.
 
@Frank Send it to me.
 
46 mins ago, by Frank
@Arperum You'll have to tell me how to get it to you.
 
Jin
star wall sucks today. you all should be ashamed of yourselves.
3
 
5:14 PM
@Frank Dropbox.
 
@OrigamiRobot Don't have an account.
 
@Frank Useless.
 
@OrigamiRobot Yes, Dropbox is useless.
 
If you had Dropbox, you'd be able to link me to your spreadsheet. I call that a use.
 
If I wanted it public knowledge, I'd have it as a Google Doc.
 
5:17 PM
@Frank Google Docs
 
lol
 
@MBraedley inb4
 
You can limit sharing
 
You can limit sharing in dropbox too
and skydrive
 
Just think, if you'd started this months ago, you could be a bajillionaire
 
5:17 PM
and google drive
 
@Sterno Gems weren't profitable until 1 week ago.
@MBraedley He is just being a grumpus.
 
All he needed to do was imagine a future where they would be and then stockpile them in the past to get ready.
cc @badp
 
@Sterno The reason they weren't profitable before is that the crafting prices were higher. Crafting in the past wouldn't change that.
 
@Sterno I actually laughed >_<
 
@OrigamiRobot No, I just don't see the use of dropbox.
 
5:20 PM
He could have just bought the base gems and sat on them.
 
So... I'm thinking about picking up Diablo 3.
 
@Frank He literally just defined a use-case.
 
@OrigamiRobot I'm pretty sure that the gem price reductions actually happened a good long time ago.
 
Since pretty much everyone here is playing it and I have a couple of friends who do as well.
 
3 mins ago, by Frank
If I wanted it public knowledge, I'd have it as a Google Doc.
 
5:20 PM
@Yuki do or do not, there is no try think
 
And I just negated that use case.
 
3 mins ago, by 3ventic
You can limit sharing in dropbox too
Your negation was negated.
 
@MBraedley Well, I'm wondering if I should pick it up now or wait until the xpac comes out.
 
@Frank Just admit you hate @OrigamiRobot and don't want to share it with him.
 
@OrigamiRobot Why would I make an account on a seperate system, for that which I can use Google Docs for?
 
5:21 PM
@Yuki You might get a better price then, but it's hard to tell
 
@Frank So do that.
 
@OrigamiRobot Or you could just give me your email, and I can attach it. Too much work to upload it.
 
In my way, I don't have to give anyone my personal information. I remember what happened last time I gave someone here my email.
 
@Yuki If you start playing, I never mind starting a new character :)
 
@Arperum Yeah, I'm probably going to get it. I'm just wondering when. Do I get it now or wait until the xpac and start with that new class?
 
5:24 PM
@Yuki My offer stays available in both cases :)
 
@OrigamiRobot Your way also makes more work for me. That I don't want to do.
 
@Arperum Agh, I need guidance.
 
@Yuki Realistically, might as well wait.
 
@OrigamiRobot 'Kay. Any particular reason?
 
@Frank That is logic I can accept.
@Yuki No real gain of starting now.
 
5:25 PM
@OrigamiRobot Except for knowing more how the game works by the time the expansion stuff comes in.?
 
Gah! I'm selling Flawless Stars faster than I can craft them!
 
@Arperum That's what we're for.
 
Apple are the worst
 
@Frank Where are you starting? The previous tier?
 
@OrigamiRobot Flawless Squares.
Best profit margin.
 
5:27 PM
@Fluttershy or @FAE, what did you guys do for the couple of days where your eyes didn't work so well? Trying to find some form of entertainment that doesn't involve vision. I've thought about starting an audible.com free trial, or perhaps grabbing some podcasts, but I've never pod-casted before.
 
"You can't have these things in your app" "I don't have these things in my app" "Yes, but you can't have these things" "I don't have those things." "Let me explain, these are the things you can't have" "I don't have any of those things"...
 
@Frank Do you need an extra crafting hand? Pass me a pile and I'll give you the upgraded stuff back. I might need money to craft them too though. I wouldn't mind an extra expansion player :)
 
@fredley WHY WON'T YOU JUST LISTEN TO THEM TELL YOU NOT TO PUT IN THE THINGS YOU DON'T HAVE IN?
 
There is no way Flawless Square > Flawless Star is the best margin. That would mean no losses in any tier in between.
 
@agent86 I uh... I played video games. <_< But I wouldn't recommend that. I'd say audiobooks or podcasts are probably your safest option!
 
5:28 PM
@Fluttershy lol, I will probably play video games too, cause I'm a rebel like that :P
 
I refuse to believe people are that foolish.
 
@agent86 getting people to point lasers at your eyes? I'll do that for free!
 
@OrigamiRobot Wait, really?
 
5:29 PM
Course, I'm not that good an aim, I'll hit your eyes though!
 
@KevinvanderVelden I considered cheaper options and decided that perhaps the best idea was not to skimp when it comes to lasers and my eyes.
 
@agent86 Probably for the best. You want your LAZERS and derivatives to be of high quality of course.
 
@Arperum Do you have the Emerald recipes up to Flawless Star?
 
@Frank goes logging in
 
@Frank What is "Profit @ +1"
 
5:31 PM
@OrigamiRobot Selling 3 at that tier, instead of comboing up to next.
Just an easier way to see which tier is most profitable.
 
@Frank So you're not taking into account all situations.
 
@OrigamiRobot What situations am I missing?
 
You're just looking at Flawless Square to Y
 
@OrigamiRobot And then Perfect Square to Y. And the next tier. And the next.
 
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5:33 PM
@Frank I'm not seeing that part.
 
 
FAE
@agent86 Oof, it's been a while. I may have also just read or video-gamed as well, but I honestly don't quite remember. Your eyes should rest though. I'd say giving an audible trial would be a good idea, if you don't already have some audiobooks, or there are many free podcasts out there. If you have an iPhone, you can find them on iTunes, if you use an Android phone, I'd recommend Pocketcasts (though that's on iPhone as well now, I see).
 
@OrigamiRobot Profit @ +1 essentially takes the profit/loss column, and multiplies it by 3.
 
@Frank I don't even have the jeweler yet >_< dammit brain. Stop thinking EU and US share stuff on the servers.
 
Yeesh, how many errands in a row can people ask me to do today?
 
5:34 PM
Flawless Star prices are actually going up.
 
@Powerlord I dunno, but here's one more: Bring me a donut.
 
I'm making MORE profit than what is shown there.
 
@agent86 When I had my eyes lasered, I laid in bed for about a day.
 
FAE
It's like ping pong.
 
5:35 PM
Turtle Ping Pong
 
FAE
@GraceNote I think I did this too. Valium and all.
 
@OrigamiRobot The gem costs column in the document take the sellvalue/crafting value, whichever is lower.
 
@FAE sweet, thanks, no idea where to start on podcasts
@GraceNote I plan to lay in bed as much as possible. we shall see.
 
@Arperum This is starting to sound a lot like Runescape.
 
For the most part, while I laid in bed, I just chatted with Mom if I wasn't outright asleep.
I found that company to chat with was more comforting and entertaining than, say, staying in my own room listening to my music.
 
5:37 PM
@Garan Talking about the auctionhouse in D3, it's essentially a stockmarket simulator.
 
@Arperum Runescape has something like that called the Grand Exchange.
 
Except everything is fake, and you can earn real money with it.
 
I also had Mom read me all the emails I got from the rest of the team regarding the situation.
 
@Garan That's from after I played it. Or at the very end of my playtime anyway.
 
@Arperum How long ago was that?
It's rather old by now.
 
5:39 PM
@Garan Too bad you don't pay my salary
 
FAE
@agent86 If you download Pocketcasts, it'll show you a bunch of existing ones you can browse. :)
 
@Garan no clue. 5-7 years ago I think.
 
@GraceNote my mom's kind of far away. I'd have to shout rather loud. I'd have my wife around, but she's got the chillin's to take care of.
 
@Powerlord That doesn't mean I can't ask you.
 
It's been a long time since i last played runescape.
 
5:40 PM
@agent86 Chat with the chillins then.
 
@FAE oh, yes, I meant, thanks for giving me a starting point. I was previously clueless.
 
Have them play ancient gameries and tell you what is happening.
 
@Arperum Sounds about right. It was an interesting thing that ended up working very well, except for the cost of XP.
 
@GraceNote mostly they say things like "he hit me" and "I want food"
they're a bit like final fantasy NPCs in that way
 
been writing a blog post on designing a game from the ground up to be played Twitch Plays Pokemon style. It's much longer than I thought it'd be.
Seen some indie devs with some mild interest in something like that though
 
5:41 PM
@agent86 I've honestly found, over the course of the years, that the behavior of NPCs saying the same things over and over again... is actually semi-realistic.
 
@GraceNote Welcome to The Bridge
 
FAE
@agent86 No problem! If you're looking to hop onto the Night Vale bandwagon, there's that. There are also a bunch of TED talk podcasts too.
 
@agent86 My minecraft crashed, PLS HALP
 
It's not always the exact string being identically repeated, but I can say that with friends, family, coworkers... in all my circles, I've basically had the same conversation topics repeated. The same talk about why someone likes something, and the same insistence on explaining in detail why they think this way, and not as if someone new is present, it's the same people so it's all known information. But it gets repeated anyway.
 
@agent86 "Want some rye? 'Course ya do!"
 
5:43 PM
Stay a while, and listen~!
3
 
So did we mention gamerecs?
oh boy are they a piece of work! (DOWN)
 
@agent86 More like "Shtay awhile, and lishen!:
 
I recently joined a new circle in, like, October, and I've listened to the same discussion from one person about 6 times.
 
I think I've brought up my computer situation way more than 6 times in the last few months
 
FAE
5:45 PM
@GraceNote Especially with hearing the same family stories from older generations over and over.
 
cc @AshleyNunn @Strix
 
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@Frank WANT
 
@KevinvanderVelden Lookit how big it is!
 
@Frank that makes it more want!
 
5:46 PM
@FAE That I'm more partial to. Stories are cool and listening to a repeat story is like re-reading a book, and I do that a lot. It's when it's just idle conversation, or the same rant about evil companies...
 
@fredley I think those audits messages changed format in the last three years; they used to be said by Feeds, or maybe the user issuing those commands anyway.
 
@OrigamiRobot I made it to level 45! And I'm almost done with Hard.
 
Are you aware? I don't know the specific format
 
@badp Eh, it's Champagne time, I'll sort it out later
 
yay champagne
 
5:47 PM
@fredley Wipqozn removed himself?
 
@GraceNote He did
 
That doesn't seem physically possible
 
FAE
@BenBrocka you just tweeted "blof" instead of "blog"
 
OH GOD I ACCIDENTALLY TURNED ON MOBILE CHAT HOW DO I FIX THIS AWFUL MISTAKE
 
@GraceNote I believe someone renamed themselves in order to accomplish this
 
5:47 PM
@Fluttershy uninstall your browsers
ALL OF THEM
 
Oh. I fixed it!
 
@fredley Yay, I'm on this chart!
 
@Fluttershy start9
@FAE oops, fixed
 
@fredley I would be on that chart more, but @OrigamiRobot is a monster.
 
5:48 PM
@FAE how do you know he wasn't talking about the band!
 
FAE
@GraceNote Ah yeah, or people complaining about the same person in the same way several times.
@KevinvanderVelden Because who would want to do that. :P
 
@Fluttershy ?
 
@FAE very good point, but maybe he was being mean to the band
 
@OrigamiRobot I haven't been restored to my rank as room owner since you "do'd it."
 
I have no idea what's going on.
 
5:50 PM
@FAE Yep yep
 
@Frank So is the profit/loss column talking about previous tier > current tier?
 
@OrigamiRobot Yes.
Actually, no.
 
OK, that's where the confusion was.
 
It's taking the total cost of making a single gem at that tier, factors in the gem costs of the previous tier, and spits out the value.
If the cost of gems on the AH is less than it takes to make that tier, it uses that number.
 
@Frank What cell gives the profit of , say, buying 3 stars and selling the crafted flawless star?
That is what I want to know.
 
Jin
5:54 PM
i need more pixel lewts in ff14
also, being mmo poor sucks
 
@OrigamiRobot That would be the profit/loss column, if buying Stars is cheaper than crafting them.
 
@fredley How about adding him?
 
The fact that the lowest gem to drop is going to be higher and stronger than the best gem ever to exist is kind of bothering me.
 
@Wipqozn You were supposed to re-owner me while you had the chance. Now you're doomed.
 
hello bridge
 
5:58 PM
@AATTVVV Bothering you in a good way? Like, hot and bothered?
 
@Sterno No, not really.
 
@Frank You're doing to many hidden things in here for me to be able to understand it without being able to see the formulas.
 
@AATTVVV No good.
Anyways, hello, all. :P
 
@OrigamiRobot I'll send you the spreadsheet, dude.
 
@AATTVVV Only on after you beat the game.
 
6:01 PM
@AATTVVV I don't see this as being any worse than the way that every single other piece of gear will be invalidated.
 
@Frank Where is the profit of Radiant Square to Flawless Star?
 
@OrigamiRobot You mean Flawless Star to Radiant?
 
I HATE GEM NAMES
 
Flawless Star row, Profit @ +2
 
@Frank So "Profit @ +X" means "Profit if crafted from X tiers back"?
 
6:07 PM
@OrigamiRobot No, Profit @ +X is the profit selling the equivalent number of gems at that tier instead of 1 at +X tiers up.
It only takes buying gems into account if it's cheaper. Otherwise, it assumes buying at Flawless Square.
 
@Frank Then you misunderstood what I asked.
 
@Sterno It's the same, but it feels worse with gems to me for no logical reason.
 
@OrigamiRobot THEN TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN! :P
 
Maybe because I have 350+ of each flawless square gem.
 
Probably
 
6:08 PM
Which all combined equals less than 1 of the new gems.
 
@AATTVVV You need more than 2000 Flawless Squares to make a single Marquis.
 
@Frank Where is the profit of [buying at] Radiant Square [and crafting] to Flawless Star?
 
So you'd need 6000+ for any tier beyond that.
 
I like that you can put diamonds up for sale on the AH, but can't buy them.
 
6:09 PM
@Frank Exactly, so all these gems that I've been collecting trying to save up to make awesome gems are instantly invalidated.
 
Catapult for Hire is not going to get funded. =[
 
I guess I will just try to sell them all on the AH like @OrigamiRobot said.
 
@OrigamiRobot If it isn't cheaper to buy them, then it doesn't give you that.
 
@AATTVVV Maybe you should be happy about the fact that it won't require such a ridiculous number of gems to get a "best" gem anymore.
Or will it just be as bad?
 
@Frank Well I want to see it even if it is worse. I need to see all the data!
 
6:10 PM
How many craft-only tiers were there before versus after expansion?
 
@Sterno Only 4 tiers of new gems, so 3^3 = 27 I guess.
 
@OrigamiRobot Why? It's obviously less profit, so I discard that data.
 
There were 2 squares, 4 stars, and marquis, so there were 7 tiers of craft-only gems before.
Going down to 3.
 
@Frank Never discard data.
 
I feel like it should take at least 81 gem drops to get the best gem. 27 seems low.
 
6:11 PM
@OrigamiRobot Ok, not so much discard, as just ignore.
It has the info. I just don't do anything with it.
 
Maybe I'm just being bad at math right now.
I've had a busy past 2 days.
 
> Being a one-man studio inherently minimizes risk. The biggest risk I suppose would be if I died but I'm still young, I work from home and I look both ways before crossing the street.
 
@AATTVVV It should just tier up infinitely
 
@Sterno I think you're onto something.
Like Paragon Levels.
And after tier 100 you can stop getting new portraits/gem sprites.
 
This is what I'd want.
 
6:14 PM
@OrigamiRobot I can give you my spreadsheet, and you are free to modify as you want.
 
@Frank I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS BUT YOU'RE MAKING ME
IT'S SO MUCH WORK TO GRAB ALL THE AH PRICES
 
@OrigamiRobot NO I'M NOT! YOU'RE DOING IT TO YOURSELF!
 
@Frank YOUR SPREADSHEET IS INADEQUATE FOR MY NEEDS WHY DID YOU HAVE TO SHOW IT TO ME
YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOW BETTER THAN TO LISTEN TO ME
 
@OrigamiRobot MY SPREADSHEET MEETS MY NEEDS! YOUR FAULT THAT IT DOESN'T MEET YOURS!
 
@Frank IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR SHOWING ME
 
6:17 PM
@MBraedley No, it was me.
 
@OrigamiRobot WHICH DOES WHAT I WANT! NOT MY FAULT THAT YOU DON'T LIKE IT!
 
Everyone else was doing it, and it just looked like so much fun!
 
@Wipqozn But it prevented you from having more fun
 
Feb 6 at 1:12, by Stack Exchange
 
@Frank I'M NOT BLAMING YOUR FOR ME NOT LIKING IT. I'M BLAMING YOU FOR NOT KNOWING I WOULDN'T LIKE IT.
 
6:20 PM
@OrigamiRobot I'M SORRY, I'M NOT A MIND READER!
 
@Frank APOLOGY ACCEPTED
 
@OrigamiRobot Are we done yelling now?
My voice is getting hoarse.
 
@Frank I'M NOT YELLING I'M JUST USING AUTOCAD
 
6:21 PM
Well, I was yelling.
 
I KNOW, I WAS VERY OFFENDED.
 
Jin
@OrigamiRobot I love Autocad
 
:O
 
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I've put some gems up on the RMAH. Let's see if they sell.
 
6:32 PM
Buckle your pants!
 
@Frank I hope no one is dumb enough to spend real money on things that will literally be worthless in a few weeks.
 
@AATTVVV I'm hoping there's enough idiocy kicking around for me to be able to profit on it.
 
@AATTVVV it's always safe to bet on people being idiots
 
Look at it this way: if there's enough idiocy for me to be able to accrue $40 from it, I'll be buying the expansion.
 
6:39 PM
@Fluttershy I still have no idea what that game is, but it's gon be gud
 
I haven't really looked at that game either
I should see how much it is on Xbox
I hope it's not as grindy as castle crashers
 
@GnomeSlice It's a platformer, so it's not really that grindy.
 
@Frank I'VE ONLY FILLED IN THE FLAWLESS SQUARE ROW, BUT MY DATA SUGGESTS THAT FLAWLESS SQUARE > RADIANT SQUARE GIVE BETTER MARGINS (I JUST PLUGGED IN YOUR PRICES FROM YOUR SCREENSHOT)
 
@OrigamiRobot I updated prices after screenshot.
Radiant Squares are money losers right now.
 
FAE
6:44 PM
 
@Frank I'M JUST SAYING AT THE TIME YOUR DATA TOLD YOU THAT FLAWLESS STARS WERE THE BEST. MY DATA DISAGREES
PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WORKING IN PERCENTAGES
 
@OrigamiRobot Selling 81 Radiant Squares gives just under 2 million in profit.
Selling 9 Flawless Stars gives 3 million.
 
@Frank RAW NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING. YOU NEED PERCENTAGES.
 
Which is the equivalent number of gems.
 
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6:46 PM
@OrigamiRobot Percentages just obfuscate the actual values.
 
FAE
@Fluttershy Lots and lots of hats to unlock though.
 
(SELL-COST)/COST
@Frank NO THEY DON'T
 
@FAE True!
 
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6:49 PM
@Fluttershy wait what? hats you have to pay for?
SCRUB
 
@badp You buy them with in-game gems, which you earn through normal play.
 
@OrigamiRobot Yes, they do. The percentage of profit is higher, but the actual amount you get is lower.
 
PLAY2HATS
 
also, new Cyriak
 
6:53 PM
I seem to be a popular target for phishing puu.sh/7k4rl.png
 
@badp ;_;
 
@AATTVVV I've read of one dude who bought $300+ on +attspeed pre-nerf, and after they announced the nerf, he was raging quite hard after the nerf followed as promised.
 

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