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Proposed Q&A site for people building and managing digital communities: moderators, user-relations admins, channel operators, helpdesk, portal creators and consumer advisors — building, maintaining communities and resolving PEBKAC problems professionally.

Currently in commitment.

@Undo ^

that's going to be an interesting site :P

Yeah.

Meta post: I don't have a diamond! bug

12:49 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: FINDING PROBABILITIES on math.stackexchange.com

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2:49 AM

sigh How is this too minor?

arduino.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/165

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9:42 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PROVE TO C.S.A OF A HEMISPHERE on math.stackexchange.com

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2:27 PM

Latest project: webapp to grab last x answers and displays them for review.

will be nice for SR

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5:24 PM

We need Arduino mods... my 3 comment flags haven't been handled yet! :P

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6:50 PM

@ManishEarth y u no catch?

@Doorknob y u no downboat?

@Seth ummm, what? I have no idea what you're talking about

Why didn't you downvote that question? It's terrible!

@Seth Mm... Down arrow -> close -> unclear for me. :P

I did downvote it. (time of downvote may or may not have been after that message)

:P

6:53 PM

@hichris123 /me no haz the 3kz on SO.

@Doorknob heh :P

@Seth But I do! :D

yep.

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I'm going to go work on my essay now... :(

But participating on Arduino is so tempting!

@Undo I know why Cinder can't do private beta's: they're not in the Cinder database!

private betas are private

7:08 PM

@Seth Yeah, though they theoretically should show up in Cinder. I think it's just there's no row in the database for Cinder saying Arduino.... stackexchange-arduino... domain.

right, it doesn't exist to the system. Not yet anyway.

@hichris123 gimme Cinder

How complete is it?

@ManishEarth No more complete than it was the last time... it's just cinder.user.js or whatever in the GitHub repo.

You keep saying cinder cinder cinder; /me wants

github.com/Charcoal-SE/Cinder/blob/master/cinder.user.js

^ there @ManishEarth

7:12 PM

What does it do?

Adds a spam button basically everywhere, and displays a list of things that spam has been clicked on to the right. :P

@hichris123 is the button hair-trigger, or does it ask for confirmation?

@ManishEarth Doesn't actually flag it yet. No confirmation.

@hichris123 ah

/me adding confirmation anyway

Heh.

7:14 PM

So that I can say that I contributed to CInder :p

While you're at it, make it flag stuff.

easy peasy

You did do this: github.com/Charcoal-SE/Cinder/commit/…. :P

@hichris123 done

@ManishEarth Thanks!

7:52 PM

... I need to think up some Arduino questions to ask...

@Undo He added confirmation + actually flagging as spam.

Oh, nice :D

Ug, why do full edit privs come at 500 rep on private beta's?

I want to do all sorts of edits, especially on Meta...

Get yourself a diamond and you can edit almost anything.

and you get to complain about not being able to edit single sentences in the help center.

... but that implies you have rep on the site... which makes it a circular loop.

If I were to get a diamond... everything would be great. But until then, I get to complain about everything. :P

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Q: Global flag history tab for moderator tools

In the moderator tools, there is a flag queue, and flags can be dismissed as valid/invalid. However, sometimes I want to review recent flags, whether I or another moderator acted upon it. I'm aware of http://stackexchangesite.com/admin/history but that just shows individual moderator actions, n...

discussion feature-request flags moderation moderator-tools

^ Not everything is great ;(

8:06 PM

@Undo so wait, Cinder works now?

Instead of first-world problems... mod problems. :P

@ManishEarth there are still some back end problems IIRC

@Undo sure that adding it into the bottom bar is a good idea?

Where else would we add it?

the flag dialog

but that would be hard

8:08 PM

Yeah

we can add it as a tiny thingy

@Undo oh, and in production, don't add it to sites where the user is a mod

I'd really like something like the deleted comments box thing that shows up for mods.

@ManishEarth ahahaha, right :P

@ManishEarth How do you tell if a user is a mod, and on what site?

@Undo relatively easy to implement

@hichris123 look at the topbar

We could do something like that little annoying box to the left of posts about flags and stuff, and only show it if score < 0 and age < x days

8:10 PM

@Undo exactly

Except that box doesn't work on small screens.

it only shows up without the asterisk if I expand the window full-size on my laptop.

(1280xSomething)

@hichris123 has been mysteriously absent.

goes to check flag queue

@Undo Me? Absent?

Nah.

Aaak! Comment flags!

$(".delete-comment").click();

SEDE got updated? :D

D:

8:17 PM

Um.. why am I logged in as data.stackexchange.com/users/13082/jon-doe13083?

user image

oh noes!

@hichris123 data.SE doesn't use stackauth

@ManishEarth I know... but I changed my name to hichris123 earlier, and the UserId is different...

(for @hichris123's benefit, this is the little box we were talking about:)

user image

I want that box plz! :P

8:21 PM

@Undo o/

Know this guy?

Ranveer, India

488 1 15

web-apps linux latex gratis html open-source operating-system

@ManishEarth Nope, why?

Hmm... what's that flag thingy at @Undo? :P

@hichris123 2.

@Undo He's sitting next to me :P

@ManishEarth :D

8:22 PM

@Undo Liar! It's at 5.

We were discussing the election, and he mentioned that he really liked your candidature, after having interacted with you a bit on SR

@hichris123 Nope. It groups comment flags on the same post into one flag.

@ManishEarth Oh, wow!

@Undo Aww... :(

Tell him thanks ;)

@Undo Handle flags already! :P

8:24 PM

user image

>:D

Mm... does that count as a button?

If so... I WANT THAT BUTTON!!! :P

it's a checkbox that you click, then you click another button

@ManishEarth Is there any way to write a script such that it highlights all the flagged comments when you expand a post from the flag queue?

@Undo Charcoal had that functionality for a loooong time

@Undo Well, yes

but why

Because when I want to see context I'm used to the Charcoal way of highlighting the comment in question

Flagging your comments as obsolete makes me happy @Undo.

8:27 PM

Aaack! The counter goes up as I'm handling them!

@Undo lo

@hichris123 must have run out of comment flags? :P

I wonder what it's like to be on the other side of the fence. :P

@Undo Yep. :P

You do have to mark the other one as helpful, you know. :P

oh, crap

wondered why that wasn't going away :P

rofl

goes to eat

@Undo Still not helpful... :P

8:34 PM

I'm trying to get Manish's helpful with a reason script installed :P

@Undo uh, it's a bookmarklet

Also, it's part of SOUP

And... it's going to be helpful - please don't flag this as a custom flag, right? :P

saw it. Made a bookmarklet

github.com/vyznev/soup

Ooooh, it does work!

8:35 PM

Uh... no, it doesn't.

I messed up

This post contains obsolete comments. – hichris123 6 mins ago   helpful

pushed the custom helpful button without typing anything in the feild :P

Okay... moar flags needed you say?

sure ;)

8:37 PM

There you go.

oooooh flag

picks flag up and waves it around in the air

grrr, you're going to make me think?

@Undo Yep. :P

constantly refreshing flag summary page

tries to think of good helpful reason

:D

helpful - Obsolete comments no more be here, for I have smashed them as a semi truck doth smash frogs.

Yay it worked!

8:40 PM

lol

whoa a meta.SR flag

@Undo Wha?

That's... crazy.

Not me. :P

Active meta getting a flag isn't surprising

It is when it's your very first meta flag to handle :P

wants to edit stuff on Arduino meta so badly...

8:46 PM

heh, went to Arduino homepage and saw 'Can I link another device to the Uno's clock?' and though, "you absolutely cannot link anything to my clock!"

:D

sigh More obsolete comments: arduino.stackexchange.com/questions/403/…

those lazy Arduino people haven't bothered to make a nomination-requesting post on their meta yet >.<

@Undo I know... :P

Pin 13

General discussion about arduino.stackexchange.com

If you want to complain. :P

gentle nudge performed

Hey, someone actually maked my flags as helpful! :P

obsolete – hichris123 3 hours ago   helpful
obsolete – hichris123 3 hours ago   helpful

8:52 PM

probably a CM unhappy about having to handle comment flags :P

I try not to flag comments as obsolete during private betas, until the sites get their own mods.

@Undo I know... but I just couldn't resist!

;)

It just was there, and I clicked the flag button unknowingly!

instincts? :D

Yep, pretty much.

9:35 PM

Ug... givemetehdiamondz so I can just delete these comments. Plz. :P

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10:40 PM

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Q: Who should our moderators be?

We already decided some attributes that the moderators should have, now let's start actual nomination. Actually, knowing Arduino too well is far from necessary. They should be knowledgeable, yes, but anything more is just a bonus for the community and their efforts should be focussed as...

discussion moderation community-moderators

^ I know it's Arduino... and you already know... but you told me to tell you!

Ah yes

:P

Got wrapped up in an SR issue

goes to write nomination

You and your modship. :P

(new word: modship)

And it's going to be a while (if ever) for me to accept... cause of that 500 rep thingy... :P

oh :P

crazy 500 rep thingy

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A: Who should our moderators be?

I'm Nominating: hichris123 Links: Main (193 Rep), Meta I've worked with hichris on several SE-related things under the Charcoal project, and I have to say that he learns extremely quickly and is fast to understand abstract concepts like moderation. I also really like his activity on thi...

^ @hichris123

10:48 PM

Okay... we'll see what happens.

I swear that since stepping foot in TL my ability to spell has been halved :P

@Undo That's... bad? :P

I might just be typing faster, I dunno

@Undo Wow my flair's out of sync.

Okay, now it fixed itself...

It took a whole day for Gilles' and my diamonds to show up in the flairs on the PT announcement post.

10:51 PM

Now we have Mr. Hex Guy in here... hello @0x499602D2! :P

@hichris123 1234567890 in decimal :P

That makes sense.

Uh... @Undo 193 != 194 (rep). :P

It does in base-zero!

Mm... I don't do base zero. :P

I just realized Arduino should be on my flair soon. Yay!

@Doorknob What rank are you in Boy Scouts?

@hichris123 First class

why? :P

10:56 PM

Cause.

(yes I am in Scouts. :P)

I'm Life.

> is fast to understand abstract concepts like moderation.

@Undo You seem to know stuff I don't. :P

Well yes

Like how moderation is way harder than I thought it was pre-diamond.

And being a diamond mod makes you interpret stuff differently, feel more evil (:P) and go crazy.

Exactly!

And being blue makes you feel weird and different. :P

Not to mention the health concerns... I mean if you're blue in the face there's a problem...

> How much fun we really have in the Teacher's Lounge.

^^ Confirmation plz? :P

There are so many apt quotes I wish I could paste here that would answer that. But they're all from inside TL :P

11:04 PM

Well... we'll see what happens. :P

11:16 PM

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If I ever get lost, look for me amongst all these SE tabs :P

Teach... I want to be in there!

@Undo I find your lack of tab manager disturbing. :P

tab manager?

googles tab manager

you made me open another tab to find a tab manager :P

So many tabs!

And so many chat tabs!

(for me)

user image

:P

11:19 PM

Eh, I prefer normal tabs

And I just restart my computer every night so I have a fresh start in the morning

user image

you click the button and then the tab manager pops up

Say, @Doorknob aren't you supposed to be at some kind of camp in Texas?

@Undo I'm back

it was friday afternoon to sunday morning

oh

Then why were you here yesterday?

@Undo Time zones :P

your yesterday was my 2 days ago

11:22 PM

Texas isn't that far away east-west from where I live

@Doorknob Uh... Undo's in the US as am I. :P

I'm in the states, too

umm, link to the message? :P

I've gone to Texas! Does that count?

I left late Friday and came back about noon today

11:23 PM

I swear I saw you yesterday

I hit 200 rep on Arduino!

Yay!

3 results!!! celebrates :P

Huh, I can't find any messages from you on Saturday.

Drat

Do you have an SR account? :P

@Undo You should be able to get it on chat... :P

@Undo yup :P I was kind of active the first few days, but not really anymore

>200 rep, at least :P

11:25 PM

huh

Well, I guess I can't report you as having connections to the outside world during a boy scout camping trip :P

:P

"you can only counterflag messages that have been flagged" Why is everyone always faster than me on the chat flags? :P

because you read them @Doorknob...

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