English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

23:00

Glad you remember me.

Now if everyone in the crew was here

Mitch

@JasperLoy Woo!

Is it wooing time?

Jasper Loy

Woohoo!

Mitch

@JasperLoy I know. Stupid. Please vote to close or flag as idiotic, whatever is possible. It's not vulgar or offensive (sorry yes it is) but it should be removed for the right reason which is that it is isiotic.

tchrist

@JohanLarsson Do you think it would acceptable to abbreviate milliseconds to millis and microseconds to micros?

Mitch

@tchrist I'm trying to break the code. Is there one? Or are you being (arches eyebrow) inscrutable?

How about just ms and mu s?

tchrist

23:10

You cannot break the code: I haven’t given it to you.

Too short.

Mitch

Oooh a challenge.

tchrist

I have enough troubles with tv_sec and tv_usec in the struct timeval.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist ms is the standard for milliseconds I think µs is probably not much fun to type if it is even allowed

tchrist

But at least those ones have prefices.

Theta30

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ yes there were hot discussions with you and Jasper Loy and simchona

Mitch

23:10

How long the TV has been on?

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 Interesting. Mind posting the transcript?

tchrist

@JohanLarsson The point is that they have to be parallel.

Mitch

@JohanLarsson it is unfun enough to type to be almost impossible.

when I say almost I mean totally.

tchrist

I can’t write ms for one and micros for the other.

I guess I could write msec and usec.

Theta30

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ long time ago

Johan Larsson

23:11

true and us reads poorly

tchrist

@JohanLarsson They’d shoot me if I put UTF-8 idents in my code.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 How long? Two months?

Theta30

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ 2 years

Mitch

@tchrist Ohhhh..is that what usec is for, cuz the 'u' looks like a mu.?

Johan Larsson

@tchrist was returning a class/struct time_span and option?

tchrist

23:12

@Theta30 Disbelieve.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 Lol. What was it about?

Johan Larsson

@Mitch alt + 0191 iirc

tchrist

@JohanLarsson I do have other functions that do that, but not these ones.

These are strictly for converting a time into text.

Where is my ago function, that was nice. Let me find it.

Mitch

º¡ª¡

Johan Larsson

@tchrist do you have something like intellisense?

Mitch

23:14

nope, I get that.

@JohanLarsson Nope. My teachers told me I slow.

Johan Larsson

over my head

tchrist

Oh right.

Found it.

char *delta_time_ago(struct timeval *old_time)

Theta30

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ you had disagreements with simchona and she maternally tried to teach you

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 Oh, that.

Mitch

OH..hm...where is simchona now?

tchrist

23:17

It returns a string that the difference between then and now written out in S.xxxxxx or M:SS.xxxxxx or H:MM:SS.xxxxxx or DdHH:MM:SS.xxxxxx as appropriate.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 Maternally?

tchrist

@JohanLarsson I forget what that is.

Mitch

In a motherly fashion.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist autocomplete in VS

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Yep, I know the definition.

tchrist

23:17

So you can say that something has run for 32:24.234 seconds.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

If you want to be exact.

tchrist

@JohanLarsson VS?

Theta30

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ so to say because she is older than you

tchrist

I use vi.

Johan Larsson

Visual Studio

tchrist

23:18

Don’t even know what that is.

Mitch

Microsofts IDE

tchrist

Oh.

Johan Larsson

do you have to type in the entire method name and spell it correctly?

tchrist

Not a photo app?

@JohanLarsson Well, kinda. Generally.

Mitch

No. it's because you're programming using your eyes.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

23:19

@Theta30 That was a long time ago. You still remember that? XD. But she is not much older than me I think

tchrist

There are ways to turn on that sort of thing, but I don’t know how and never do.

I use it a lot in gdb though.

Mitch

Visual C++, Visual Basic, Visual Source Safe. YOu know like 'Windows' it's a revolutionary concept.

tchrist

You meant identifier completion.

Theta30

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ not much older but she acted like she was lol

tchrist

gdb has it, but I forget how to enable it in vim.

I also use it a lot in the Perl debugger, too, not just in gdb.

Mitch

23:20

@Theta30 now that I think of it, their ages are quite the opposite in reality.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 She is indeed much more intelligent and mature for her age.

tchrist

You can always cobble together some on-the-fly cpp macro to factor out redundancies.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Mitch Well, ages can't be in negetives

Mitch

@tchrist...what's your favorite lotech editor, vi or what?

tchrist

I often do that, some sort of #define at the front of a function paired with its #undef at the end. Make your own mini-language shortcuts just for that function.

Johan Larsson

23:21

shrug

tchrist

@Mitch I use vi for everything. Don’t know anything else. Even for writing books.

@JohanLarsson Well, you don’t have macros I suppose.

Mitch

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ When my grandfather married my grandmother I was -40 years old.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 But, as it comes with youths, we were both hotheaded.

tchrist

It’s very nice for initializing data structures.

Jasper Loy

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ What happened to your username?

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

23:23

@Mitch Excuse my choice of words. I meant that it was impossible for one to exist with negative age.

Mitch

Aug 7 '13 at 13:46, by Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 When Mozart was my age, he had been dead for many years.

tchrist

#define QP(SYM) { SYM, #SYM }

Then you type

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Mitch Though I have little idea as to what you mean when you say that our ages were opposites.

tchrist

QP(SOME_CONTANT)

And you get

Mitch

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ I'm funnin' Of course no one is negative years old.

tchrist

23:23

{ SOME_CONSTANT, "SOME_CONSTANT" }

Johan Larsson

@tchrist no the shrug was when I thought about writing code without intellisense

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@JasperLoy Names are like clothing. You change it once in a while after you get bored of it. I have swapped through about 10 names within my lifetime.

Jasper Loy

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ Are you in high school now?

tchrist

That way you can initialize tables mapping symbolic constants of numbers to their named symbols for better pretty-printing of values.

Mitch

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ I meant that though simchona was acting maternally (as though she was much older than tchrist) in reality, he is much older than her.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

23:24

@JasperLoy Yes indeed.

Jasper Loy

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ Still Christian?

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Mitch By maternally you mean maturely?

@JasperLoy Yes.

tchrist

Like mapping errnos. You initialize a struct with entries like:

QP(EPERM),
QP(ENOENT),
QP(ESRCH),
QP(EINTR),

which expands to

{ EPERM, "EPERM" },
{ ENOENT, "ENOENT" },
{ ESRCH, "ESRCH" },
{ EINTR, "EINTR" },

which expands to

{ 1, "EPERM" },
{ 2, "ENOENT" },
{ 3, "ESRCH" },
{ 4, "EINTR" },

And now you can look up the offical #define name of the errno you just got.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Every stack exchange site needs someone like simchona.

She only needs to chill out a little bit, if I had to point out a fault. But than again, maybe not.

Jasper Loy

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ She doesn't come to chat now.

tchrist

23:28

@JohanLarsson Just call it completion and everyone will know what you mean. :)

Johan Larsson

It is more than completion, it is some full text search, really nice:)

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

People who are not chilled out tends to do the job better.

@JasperLoy I have realized that. Neither have I up to today. IRL can be busy.

Jasper Loy

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ I still don't know what you look like, lol.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@JasperLoy Neither do I know how you look like. :P

Jasper Loy

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ Do you still want to become a pastor?

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

23:31

@JasperLoy Perhaps, if I get chosen for the job.

tchrist

@JohanLarsson I’m pretty sure than I don’t understand what you mean anymore.

It’s ok, though.

Johan Larsson

A read best but I would not love to type it often

not sure the abbreviations are much better cos they are not standard and would need to be remembered

what was 14_3 btw?

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Theta30 Her method of teaching is not exactly effective to be honest. Or at least to me.

Cerberus

Hi!

@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ Was it you who were talking about Bitcoins in this room years ago?

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

@Cerberus Hey Cerb! Long time no see

Cerberus

23:39

Hiya.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Yep made one of the top post questions at Bitcoin over there

gold medal with only one question, bit proud of that

unfortunately Bitcoins are too technical for me.

Combined with limited time.

Cerberus

I see.

Did you buy any?

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Did not have money nor foresight to.

Cerberus

Haha aww.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Heard it exploded with value though.

Besides, my parents would never buy my story

Cerberus

23:41

We should have all bought them when you brought them up.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

I gave you guys the chance! XD

Cerberus

But at the time it seemed like some random thing that didn't interest me.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Exactly.

Theta30

@Mitch I was talking about Sonic, not tchrsist, tchrist was not here 2-3 years ago

Cerberus

I did buy two bitcoins in April, so I made a very nice profit.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

23:41

But in the hindsight, a currency with no oversight and no governmental control?

@Cerberus LOL

Cerberus

Oh, well, as long as it works...

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Kinda makes sense a lot of people would use it.

How much is it worth?

Cerberus

The value went up from € 90 apiece to € 700 now.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Hahahaha

Cerberus

So I'm not complaining.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

23:42

Want to cash them in now or wait?

Johan Larsson

@tchrist If I have the methods you listed I could type mi and it would list all methods with milliseconds or microseconds in them, mic would list the microsecond ones. Does not have to be the beginning of the word.

Cerberus

But they were like € 7 or so when you mentioned them here.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

Ah, so you bought them later on

What convinced you?

Cerberus

Yes.

Oh I don't know, it seemed like a fun little experiment.

Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ

True. It was quite revolutionary idea.

Cerberus

23:44