The Bridge

Arperum

9:00 AM

@5pike That's true. Like seriously. Nearly $100k for any game is way too much.

Wandang

@5pike is that an alpha or why did it get so much?

nevermind i clicked the link

5pike

@Wandang A rare game - Nintendo World Championships

fredley

I reported a but in KoL

Got the best response ever

> I don't think this will ever change, so odds are you'll have to either smash your computer, or move on with your life. ;)

Trent Hawkins

but = bug?

fredley

but does equal bug

It was the worst kind of bug: a haiku bug

Cheerful orange blobling
will dissolve your enemies
with cheese food product.

> I think that the haiku writer here considers the word "orange" to be one syllable. Now that's something to get irrationally upset by! Even I'm a little steamed. I've tried pronouncing it, but it just makes my mouth feel ugly.

Wandang

9:09 AM

@5pike and how can you actually check if its the original and not a datacopy? heck if i knew how to produce copies i would start now

Trent Hawkins

@fredley Ok, just making sure - considering the wacky nature of KoL there may have been something about butt reporting I was unaware of.

fredley

@TrentHawkins Sorry, it was too late to edit

5pike

@Wandang I don't know. He posted a photo of the circuit board of the game. That might count...

Wandang

zzzZZZzzz the os x update is slooooow

grabbing some coffee

Ved

Hello All

5pike

9:17 AM

@Ved Hi

Ved

So silence today here @5pike

5pike

It's still early

Ved

ok

Wandang

there.... is... no... coffee

everything is lost

badp

omg panic

Ved

9:24 AM

coffee machine is not working ?

5pike

@Wandang Oh God. Better end it now. There is no hope

Wandang

re

60 min for os x update

switched to windows with my 2nd machine

@Ved no filters :'(

and the tab machine has no tabs

Ved

half time spent in meetings only, to decide that what we need to do in rest time :D

@Wandang Oh so sad

Wandang

@Ved isnt that what meetings are for? ಠ_ಠ

Ved

@Wandang but half time is tooooo much

it takes 1 hour to decide what is to be done in next half hour

Wandang

9:30 AM

i am totally down now... mondays without coffee? thats like cotton candy without sugar

instead salt ಠ_ಠ

Ved

:D

fredley

That reminds me, coffee time

Wandang

@Ved sounds to me like you are working for a big company that gets nothing done like valve, microsoft, etc

5pike

@Wandang Man, that's evil. Would be great for a prank...

Ved

@Wandang joke of the day

Blem

9:31 AM

morning people

Ved

good morning

here its 3 PM

Wandang

@Ved smaller companies normally do not have long meetings. at least i would guess that

@Blem NO COFFEE

Ved

@Wandang partially correct

spyder

Blem

@Wandang I have gotten a cup of coffee, ½L cola zero and a cup of hot chocolate

Wandang

9:32 AM

in german fairy = fee

so coffee fairy = cofffee:D

@spyder quite accurate

@Blem .... you cruel man

FUCK YOU APPLE

6

update threw an error

now i need to format

thanks for that

"secure your data, format and reinstall"

best part "your hard drive is damaged"... why should i reinstall on that then!?!?!ಠ_ಠ

fredley

@spyder Coffee => Stop Code?

Somebody is a designer and not a coder. <code/> would be better syntax.

spyder

@fredley agree

Lazers

0

Q: Where do i find all of the daedric quests and artifacts in skyrim

I am a level 22, two-handed, Heavy Armor, Blacksmith, Nord, Warrior and The only quest I Completed was the "Mind Of Madness with Sheogorath which was hilarious, and i would like to know where to find the rest of the daedra quests are.

skyrim

Wandang

@fredley maybe the coffee itself includes an opening tag <code> ?

Blem

badp

9:44 AM

@Blem Will write coffee for code

Wandang

ha i'm done. if i cannot fix this mac this week i get a lot of trouble

friday is presentationday

kalina

19 days to go

Wandang

@kalina morning honey

kalina

...

Wandang

i had no coffee and my mac crashed to bits. i need to compansate my grumpyness with friendlyness

ಠ_ಠ

kalina

9:49 AM

I never compensate my grumpiness with friendliness

@Sterno what does the fox say?

Blem

Arperum

@kalina What is there in 19 days?

kalina

@Arperum I become 21

Arperum

@kalina Ah. I have a bit less then 2 months of being 25 left for me.

Blem

@kalina Is that a big day in the UK? is there something new you can do legal that was not legal before?

kalina

9:53 AM

@Blem not really, no

Wandang

@Blem only americans use 21 right?

but driving and shooting is ok for kids i guess

Martin Sojka

@Blem 1. Adopt a child, 2. Apply for a licence to fly an airplane, helicopter and similar, 3. Get a licence for lorries above 7.5 tonnes, as well as some mass public transportation vehicles like buses

Blem

@Wandang prety sure, there is a couple of clubs in DK that has some different age restrictions, but that can be anywhere between 18 and 30

@MartinSojka I am pretty sure @kalina is not planing to adopt a child, so she will be getting a licence for a big vehicle

Martin Sojka

The first one is a bit silly considering you can legally conceive a child at the age of 16, but old laws change slowly.

Wandang

@MartinSojka i am glad that 16 year olds are not allowed to adopt a child. oh the horror!ಠ_ಠ

Blem

10:08 AM

Martin Sojka

@Wandang They still need to pass all the other checks regarding being self-sufficient, mentally ok and so on, which most of them wouldn't. On the other hand, my grandmother married when she was 15, and her children are just fine (those that survived the war, anyway).

kalina

> mentally ok and so on

damn...

fredley

21 is the last birthday you get to look forward to

Birthdays plumb new levels of 'meh' after 21

Blem

10:25 AM

fredley

10:39 AM

Kill

5pike

Ok, that one is tricky:

0

Q: can't install the game special ops the line (black box)

While installing the game in my pc....it keeps reaching 8.0% installation and then it stop and a messages pops up that: An error occurred while unpacking: Unable to read data! Unarc.dll returned an error code: -6 Error: file read opera...

pc

Black box is a group that shrinks and cracks games

So - what do we do?

FAE

@5pike There are many reasons that it couldn't work due to the fact that it's cracked which we can't troubleshoot, and that's one of the reasons we don't accept questions about pirated games.

Arperum

@fredley I stabbed a flag into it.

5pike

@FAE Ok.

fredley

@Arperum Still not dead

Come on Bridge

5pike

10:52 AM

@fredley Bridge is asleep, post SPAM

FAE

@fredley Already flagged/VTD'd

Blegh, mornings.

Kevin van der Velden

@FAE Double blergh, monday mornings

fredley

Someone's got a case of the Mondays!

Lazers

0

Q: can't install the game special ops the line (black box)

While installing the game in my pc....it keeps reaching 8.0% installation and then it stop and a messages pops up that: An error occurred while unpacking: Unable to read data! Unarc.dll returned an error code: -6 Error: file read opera...

pc

0

Q: NeverWinter: Stucked in the Old Magic quest

In the Old Magic Quest, I have to bring three arcane tomes to a man but I only have found two of them. There are three locations maked in the map and I checked the three all but there is one location where I couldn't find any book. In that place I have to move a plank for entering through a wind...

neverwinter

FAE

11:11 AM

@KevinvanderVelden I had a really bad, restless night of sleep. Kept waking up several times an hour.

@FAE o/

@FEichinger \o

\o/ PANIC!!

@FEichinger \o/ @FAE

(That was a "Hey, yeh ... me too!")

FAE

11:13 AM

@FEichinger Oh, I thought it was a hello. <_<

FEichinger

I don't usually say hello to a single person when I'm the one arriving ... :P

FAE

I didn't get a lot of sleep, man, I dunno what's going on!

Wipqozn

@spugsley Me too. That Wipqozn guy's a jerk.

Arperum

@Wipqozn Remember where @OrigamiRobot got chatbanned for saying that @OrigamiRobot was a jerk?

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum well jeah, but he was named gnomeslice at the time, everyone knows that calling yourself gnomeslice is grounds for banning

Arperum

11:26 AM

@KevinvanderVelden I am aware.

Stay warm, little flappers, and find lots of plant eggs!

AAAAAAAAAAAGHRGRBL. All the wrong words.

Wipqozn

Also, I unlocked anew class in Etrian Odyssey, so I swapped out my Medic for an Arcanist. It's a character that can inflict binds (think bondage, rawr) and ailments on an enemy. I named her @FAE.

Arperum

@Wipqozn I assume an anew is loosely related to an alot?

FAE

@Wipqozn :D

Wipqozn

I'm not sure how to get rid of empty space in gimp so this will have to do

I just need to figure out how to save this as not an xcf...

kalina

GIMP confuses the hell out of me

5pike

11:36 AM

@Wipqozn export

I think

Wipqozn

@5pike Yeah, just found it. Thanks anyways though.

You'll need to zoom in to see it.

kalina

that's a lot of white

I think it needs a freehand circle to highlight where the image is

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina gimp confuses everyone

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden oh goodie, and I thought it was just me

Wipqozn

I... I grabbed the wrong image >.<

I need to do it again FML

5pike

11:40 AM

BTW: That's the crop tool

Wipqozn

@5pike That leaves behind a transparent layer, which is what all that white is.

5pike

The hell?

It crops for me

Wipqozn

There. cc @FAE This is you.

There we go. I just didn't know how to use that button apparently.

I was cropping the layer via the right click, but I had to double click the crop tool.

fredley

@Wipqozn Now you've cropped too much, bits of @FAE are missing

Wipqozn

YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST

5pike

11:43 AM

@Wipqozn I think that the buttons have many features...

Wipqozn

Except @5pike.

FEichinger

Gimp is a mess.

Overly complicated UI, lack of some crucial features.

fredley

@FEichinger This. I've tried and tried, but I still have to pirate Photoshop.

FAE

@Wipqozn I like it! Even has purple on her staff, neat.

Wipqozn

@5pike is super helpful. Although spelling his name with a 5 is horrible since it means I need to remember to click the 5 when typing.

@FAE Yeah, I figured you'd like that colour scheme. It was my favourite one.

5pike

11:44 AM

GIMP isn't that bad. You just need to invest a bit of time.

FEichinger

Photoshop and gaming are pretty much the only reason I still run a dual-boot.

fredley

@FEichinger Also this. Everything I want to do these days I can do on the web, except for Photoshop.

FEichinger

Then again, usually I do vector graphics nowadays anyway, so Inkscape is almost perfect.

@fredley Meh. I don't like webapps.

fredley

@FEichinger I do.

Wipqozn

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Blem

11:48 AM

@Wipqozn It is on a picture on the internet, so it must be true!

badp

@FAE I can't tell if it's a staff or the handle of a really long and impractical blade.

fredley

ugh

badp

@fredley are you still on life support?

Martin Sojka

@FEichinger O Gods, Inkscape. The amount of fail they managed to cram into the filters is unbelievable. Try it out, add a bunch of simple filtered objects (even something as ubiquitous as "blur" will do) and watch it slow down to a crawl.

fredley

@badp No

Wipqozn

11:50 AM

@fredley A classic.

badp

@fredley phew.

fredley

@badp Although I still have chest pain, and it's annoying

FEichinger

@MartinSojka To be fair, there's little in terms of filters that needs to be done on vector graphics.

Inkscape definitely can't replace Photoshop - and it's not intended as such.

badp

Inkscape is meant to be Illustrator anyway, isn't it?

FEichinger

Pretty much. Bit more focused than Illustrator, but yeh.

Martin Sojka

11:55 AM

@FEichinger If you have any kind of background/foreground, you need blur to distinguish them unless you're doing highly abstract style. Same for movement (motion blur), light effects (bokeh), reflection (especially off anything not 100% flat, like water surfaces), ...

badp

@MartinSojka ...that sounds more like a pixel shader than something .svg should support

FEichinger

@MartinSojka That seems like something I really would do in a raster editor instead.

I can't think of an instance where you'd really need that - and get satisfying results with - in a vector graphic.

Martin Sojka

@badp SVG filters are very close to fixed-pipeline shaders..

badp

@MartinSojka Fair enough.

I wonder what the browser support for them is

SVG support tends already to be not awesome to awful

FEichinger

@badp Surprisingly good, after a quick test.

badp

12:03 PM

@FEichinger like, IE6 surprisingly good?

FEichinger

@badp Like "it works on modern browsers without setting your PC on fire"

badp

@FEichinger As in, kalina didn't contribute code to any of them?

FEichinger

@badp I will not comment on this.

Martin Sojka

There's a (NSFW) vector image on Wikipedia Commons I like to use for tests. Firefox takes a few seconds. :) (The file name is "Anime_Girl.svg", so you can about guess the contents).

fredley

Delicious Flags

(No, not those flags)

Martin Sojka

12:12 PM

@fredley Second one is a fail. Curry is a British national food, not Indian.

fredley

@MartinSojka British but also Indian.

Butter Chicken (which is what they should have called it) is actually that colour

Martin Sojka

I'm very sure there are a lot of masalas which are used with chicken dishes and would have that or a close colour. Just none of them are called "curry". ;)

fredley

@MartinSojka Yes, but curry == Indian for most of the English speaking world.

Curry just means 'mixture of spices' anyway, so it's not wrong

3ventic

Is this funny?

2

Martin Sojka

Ignorance shouldn't be spread. :D

Blem

12:18 PM

@3ventic where is that?

3ventic

@Blem Stack Exchange

fredley

@MartinSojka Too late for that

Braiam

> No sense in worrying about something you won't be around to clean up, that's our motto!

O_O

Blem

@3ventic there is street view at stackexchange?

fredley

@3ventic SE is on Google Streetview?

3ventic

12:19 PM

Yes.

fredley

@3ventic ...link

3ventic

Oh hey I found it, here's the downstairs — Nick Craver Dec 19 '13 at 11:43

LOL

fredley

@3ventic Seriously considering filing a bug report on meta about that Arcade machine

Should be Arqade machine

3ventic

@fredley Typo, obviously

@3ventic finally

12:23 PM

hi there

0

Q: Spelling error: 'Arcade' instead of 'Arqade'

I spotted an instance where it mistakenly says Arcade instead of Arqade. Given it's the name of the site, this is a pretty serious error.

bug spelling

5pike

@fredley You should also contact X-Arcade

fredley

@5pike With what?

5pike

@fredley That they spelled arcade wrong. It's obviously arqade

Blem

12:27 PM

cc: @LessPop_MoreFizz

3ventic

I blame google auto-correct — Oded 40 secs ago

haha

fredley

@Blem EMOTION

Blem

badp

@3ventic their downstairs area is a maze

I hope they have some navigation software thing

3ventic

Yeah

Don't worry, Google can give them directions.

badp

12:31 PM

@3ventic I don't think they work inside buildings

Like, you can have maps and multiple floors but I'm not sure about directions. Mostly a problem of positioning I'd assume

Also you might have to be a museum or maybe a shopping mall.

I dunno.

3ventic

Unicorns spotted!

Unionhawk

You can do old fashioned directions

badp

@3ventic Find all 42!

@Unionhawk "Go five ~~cubicles~~ hexacles down the corridor and ask again?"

Blem

I found there Monetization Plan

6

badp

@Blem but how do you make money out of bags with dollar signs on it? Merchandise?

5pike

12:34 PM

@Blem It's . . . brilliant

Arperum

@badp But it's empty!

badp

@Arperum backtrack

Wandang

omg

why

apple why

so much torture

"Some debugging features require you to enter your password. Enabling Developer Mode authorizes Xcode to perform these functions without requiring your password for each session."

WHY would i start an development environment if not for developing?

do apple folks start photoshop to listen to music?!

they really force me to hate them

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang well it's simple, apple just develops the software but doesn't debug it

Blem

@3ventic there is more than one!

fredley

12:40 PM

@Wandang apple pls

Wandang

@KevinvanderVelden "do you want to enable the music mode in itunes? prepare for the consequences"

Blem

Wandang

@Blem are that ladylegs?

btw i fixed my mac

it is crucial for a mac to have keyboard and mouse while it is installing a new os because suck it

Unionhawk

Wind chill of "really really cold", class isn't cancelled T_T

Blem

@Wandang think so, there is also nail polish on the hands

Wandang

12:43 PM

so i reinstalled without beeing able to do anything and watch the installbar to go forward for 60 min

because general drivers for all keyboards would be to MUCH right?

even if there is NO prompt through the entire installation

@Blem does not say much. trust me

Lazers

0

Q: How do I light an unlit torch?

I have crafted a quality torch (unlit) and now I want to light it but I can't work out how. I've tried combining it with my campfire or the lighter but it just reverses the torch into wood and kindling.

HamStare @Wandang

@Wandang ಠ_ಠ

@Blem btw that would be the weirdest sexparty ever if all would have animalheads

Ved

Back

Wandang

12:45 PM

why do you guys hamstare me at once every time

2

can @Unionhawk trigger @fredley

wb @Ved

Yes

HamStare @Wandang

@Wandang ಠ_ಠ

lol!?

@Wandang anyone can trigger the hamstaring

Wandang

12:46 PM

HamStare @fredley

badp

@Wandang "What Does The Fox Say"

Ved

@Wandang t

badp

I'm going to assume the unicorn was Joel Spolsky all along.

Wandang

HamStare @badp

fredley

@badp ಠ_ಠ

Unionhawk

12:47 PM

You broke it

Wandang

so fred is our slave

@badp what does the cock say?

Unionhawk

...

....

Wat

Braiam

c'mon...

Sterno

@fredley As a moderator, would you disable the hamstare script, since you'd be lending the mod weight to automated disapproving stares of whoever felt like using them?

Unionhawk

I'm off to the frozen. If I die, set my gravatar to badp 's, so I can confuse badp.

Sterno

12:52 PM

Important, hard-hitting question!

Blem

Batman works at SE and has an unopened barbie on his desk

fredley

@Sterno The HamStare script would only be usable by other mods

Blem

Wandang

@fredley make me a mod, fixed :)

fredley

@Wandang yes!

Wandang

12:53 PM

@Blem you have a strange workplace

Braiam

@Blem wut?

Blem

@Wandang I dont work there

fredley

@Blem Lies. Assuming this is a picture of @Blem at work

Blem

I work at a boring consulting agency where they want people to wear suits and ties

Wipqozn

@Sterno I dropped by medic in favour of an Arcanist. I do plan to use Medic for it's subclass once I unlock subclassing.

fredley

12:54 PM

@Blem is Barbie Batman

Arperum

@Blem I refused a job offer because they wanted me to wear a suit.

Blem

@Arperum I usualy don't wear suite and tie either, but i do wear nice dress shirts

Arperum

@Blem I go to work in bandshirts, client meetings? -> band shirt, but in those cases I make sure that there are no skulls or something like that on them.

Wandang

@Blem i have such a big smile on my face right now. you lighten up my day

i have no customer contact so i am allowed to wear whatever i please

i already came with a jogging suit and nobody cared

Arperum

1:17 PM

8

Q: Where did 'Soon™' originate?

I've seen coming Soon™ attached to some Valve and Blizzard products, but did it start with one of them (and if so, which)? What was the first game (or other product) that was to be launched with the blatantly tongue-in-cheek Soon™?

terminology

Lazers

0

Q: Minecraft SP help

My sister is using minecraft SP and she wanted to download mods so much but she had no idea on how and stuff like that. Can minecraft SP even download mods? If can,please teach me!

minecraft mods

0

Q: Falskaar - quest stuck in Bearclaw cave

I'm supposed to get the key from Bearclaw cave. I can see the quest marker on the floor, but there's no damn key anywhere to be found around it. I tried looking for the quest ID so I could reset it, but it's not documented anywhere I could see. Any fixes?

skyrim-falskaar

0

Q: Do small-resolution resource/texture packs really have an effect on performance?

I've seen 8x8 and smaller resource/texture packs that claim to increase performance, but then other people comment saying that there is no difference. Who is right?

minecraft

Arperum

@Arperum Shouldn't that be closed for historical trivia?

Sterno

@Wipqozn that will probably be sufficient.

Yuki

@Arperum I like wearing suits, but having to wear one everyday for work seems a bit too much for me.

Arperum

@Yuki I don't even own a suit.

Wipqozn

1:24 PM

@Sterno Most likely, yes. In EOU I just used delay heal, so it's not like I was healing every turn anyways. Dismiss Heal + Party (or line) heal should be sufficent to always keep my party from dying. Especially since my Fortress (buffs+shielding) and Arcanist (binds+debuffs) will ensure my party is taking decreased damage a lot anyways. I also have a Nightseeker which can inflict ailments like paralyze or blind to help reduce how often my team takes damage.

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn I bought this on Amazon the other day. Not sure when I'll get to actually play it, though

Wipqozn

When I died in EOU it was normally because enemies just deal too much damage, and not because I wasn't able to heal quick enough. Once I started using Shelter Song and Immunizer the game became a lot easier since they did such a great job at negating damage.

@StrixVaria Which one did you buy?

StrixVaria

Untold

Wipqozn

Excellent.

StrixVaria

It's 3rd in the queue after I finish what I'm playing, but since I have like 1.5-2 dedicated hours per day of play time while I'm on the train, it'll still go pretty quick.

Wipqozn

1:27 PM

I plan to play Untold against at some point. well, first I actually need to go back and beat the super final hidden boss, but I do plan to make a new game in it as well.

I think if play again I might run a party with two alchemists + a hexer on the back line. Not sure what my front linners would be. Maybe a Dark Hunter and a Bard.

Bard should provide enough healing when I've got Shelter Song + Debuffs + Ailments + binds to negate/prevent damage.

Private Pansy

I got Untold from the eShop when it was (not sure if it still is) on sale for $20

Currently playing story mode very slowly grinding my way through the floors

fredley

Epic stop motion action figure battles are epic

►

Arperum

SELECT '/' + articleNumber + '-' + remarks, articleNumber FROM @xcooling somehow has the first column being NULL and the second one isn't. WTF SQL.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Arperum no, because for the seven hundredth time, in spite of my regrettable turn of phrase, historical trivia is not off topic.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum uuh, that's not a WTF, remarks is NULL

Concatenation of a string and a NULL value returns a NULL value, regardless of whether the NULL value is the left or right hand argument

Arperum

1:43 PM

@KevinvanderVelden fuck you SQL. Why do you do this to me? No fair.

LessPop_MoreFizz

There are lots of historical trivia questions that are off topic for other reasons "What was the first game with bullet time?" Is basically ITG. "Why does Mario wear red?" Is basically developer intent. And lots of others, are terrible questions that deserve many downvotes.

But they aren't off topic.

Wipqozn

Oh, is that "Historical Trivia" debate coming up again?

LessPop_MoreFizz

There's no debate. Just a handful of people who haven't been able to grasp that I am an inarticulate dummy.

Wipqozn

It feels like this comes up every few months and the result is always the same: Yes they're usually dumb, but they're not off-topic.

Private Pansy

I don't think this one is off topic because it's trivia so much as I don't think the phrase (or its origin) has anything to do with gaming

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:46 PM

I regret ever writing those two words in combination. :(

Martin Sojka

@LessPop_MoreFizz The answer to "Why does Mario wear red?" is actually "Hardware limitations".

Frank

Good morning, Bridge

4

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Martin I know that. But thanks for missing the point.

Arperum

@Frank Morning @Frank

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka I don't see any references to the color being because of hardware limitations. The cap was hardware though

Also, morning.

Private Pansy

1:50 PM

Unless it's asking for the origin of the phrase itself (which probably didn't originate in games either), its basically asking since when did software (or games, a subset of software) not have fixed release dates, the answer to which is since forever

Kevin van der Velden

@PrivatePansy I'd guess the question is, why/since when are blizzard and valve using this phrase

LessPop_MoreFizz

@privatepansy he is asking about the phrase itself, I'm pretty sure.

I have very strong memories of a blizzard CM using the ™ for the first time mid-BC and people on the forums mocking the shit out of it.

Private Pansy

Ah, so it's actually a thing, fair enough

Sconibulus

I wonder if the first game with bullet time did it entirely by accident

kalina

Wasn't it Max Payne?

Martin Sojka

1:58 PM

@KevinvanderVelden At least for the NES version (couldn't tell you about the original arcade machine, friggin' hard to get the exact specs for that), you had a palette of all of 54 colours, from which you could display 25 at the same time (though there are tricks to create more) and you had to pick three out of those for any sprite. Like Mario's spirte. This limits the colours you can use if you want the character to not blend with the background too much.

Kevin van der Velden

@Sconibulus @Sterno: "Back in my days, we didn't have any of this fancy bullet time, we had lag. And we liked it that way!"

Sconibulus

like, all the bullets cause an FPS drop, and the game is coded in movement by frames, so time literally slows when there's too many bullets

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