The Bridge

@kalina I can't sleep through music with lyrics I can understand because my brain will just latch onto the lyrics. Whenever I used to use music to fall asleep, it'd have to be instrumental. Music as an alarm, I can sleep through because I'm already asleep, but in this case, it'd make it harder to go back to sleep.

5pike

@Wandang Oh, so it's not an Arcade game, but a PC game?

OrigamiRobot

@FEichinger Yea, but @kalina would have phrased it "I woke up to drilling" or sommat.

FEichinger

3:17 PM

@OrigamiRobot True enough.

kalina

@FAE yeah I know what you mean, most of the music I listen to has no vocals though

FAE

@OrigamiRobot That's kind of hard to sleep through.

kalina

You can perform this action again in 10 seconds

Wandang

@5pike well its genre is arcade like beating a level and advance

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina oh gods DON'T DO THAT. Horrible crap

OrigamiRobot

3:18 PM

@FAE Obviously, since it woke her up.

Wandang

vevo.com/watch/sum-41/fat-lip/USIV30200040

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden it stops them from drilling and hammering though

Wandang

this song was played in one of them

AH

you could even go versus where you would play in a wrestling ring

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina then play some proper metal or something! Not bloody dutch gabber crap

Wandang

and you could take objects to throw

FAE

3:18 PM

@Wandang Go to the wiki article for the song and see what other media it's been used in

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden no

FEichinger

@KevinvanderVelden No, the point really is that it has to be crap.

Ullallulloo

Wow, people actually raised $30,000 of Dogecoin to send the Jamacian bobsled team to the Olympics.

kalina

generally they'll come around and say something like "turn off that noise" and then I get to pull the whole "sorry, what? I couldn't hear you over all of the hammering and drilling" line

walk into a room while people are building stuff

fredley

UNRAGE

PROJECT COMPILED

Kevin van der Velden

3:19 PM

@FEichinger meh, it could be survivable if you have proper noise cancelling headphones for the real music

kalina

pull a disapproving face

state "I can't believe you're all screwing in this room"

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley now for all the lovely runtime errors!

kalina

walk out again

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden shhhhhhhhh

FEichinger

@kalina Nope. NOPE. NOPENOPENOPE. Nope. Not starring that.

2

kalina

3:20 PM

anyway brb I need to do some work for a minute or two

Arperum

@fredley ANd then the recompiling after those are fixed.

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley what are you building anyway, work thing?

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah

Wandang

could you tell me more games that come to your mind

damn

kalina

@Wandang State of Decay

Kevin van der Velden

3:21 PM

@Wandang dota 2

fredley

New iOS app, requires getting up and running with OpenCV + XCode + iOS7

FEichinger

@kalina HUSH. WORK.

kalina

@Wandang Mass Effect

Wandang

@KevinvanderVelden Hamstare

fredley

Getting XCode to work properly with anything is a challenge

Wandang

3:21 PM

STOP IT

kalina

@Wandang Quake

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang Dota 2 is fun! I played one game of 88 minutes yesterday :D

Wandang

@kalina dude

FEichinger

@fredley Triple-Ugh.

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang well be more specific then

5pike

3:21 PM

@Wandang Sorry, there are just to many games.

kalina

@Wandang you asked...

fredley

@FEichinger A whole day's worth of ugh

Jason Berkan

@fredley XCode is a disaster.

fredley

@JasonBerkan Yes

Wandang

you never gave me a name of a game that had those criteria :/

fredley

3:22 PM

It is

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang well that might tell you something (we don't know)

fredley

It is possible to build iPhone apps without it, but it's getting harder and harder, and on balance it's a worse path to take

Wandang

but but but

you know everything

Jason Berkan

I went to a panel discussion on coding for the Apple for Visual Studio developers. The guy running it started out by stating we would all hate XCode. And we did.

Wandang

@JasonBerkan i hate it too

@JasonBerkan working on it right now

Arperum

3:23 PM

XCode works though some combination of voodoo and living of the pain and horror of the users.

Wandang

it has a neat performance measurement and good emulator

thats about it

badp

@DavidM Yes

about 17 hours ago, about 24 hours ago were left, so...

fredley

@Wandang I hate all IDEs

badp

@fredley ed

fredley

Things that are that heavy and complex are just wrong

@badp ...

badp

3:26 PM

@fredley okay, how about Sublime Text 3?

@fredley The "3" part is important because it's got "search a symbol anywhere in my project"

fredley

@badp I use 2

RedRiderX

@badp Is that an IDE?

fredley

@RedRiderX It's a text-editor

Yuki

I haven't touched Xcode in the longest time for the sheer horror of having to work with Objective-C again.

badp

@RedRiderX Not really, although you kinda can make it do IDEy things, much like with vim

fredley

3:27 PM

You can plugin it up to make it like an IDE

RedRiderX

Yeah I know I'm using it right now

fredley

But I don't

ST2 FTW

RedRiderX

@badp Yeah I suppose

badp

ST3 >> ST2

fredley

Glorious SublimeText Coding Master Race

RedRiderX

3:28 PM

Heh

fredley

@badp That much of an improvement?

badp

@fredley Just "search for a symbol anywhere in my project" was a life saver for me

which is a feature ST2 does not have, I think

fredley

@badp That's not a big deal for me, I spend most of my time in only a handful of files anyway

Either views.py or models.py mostly

badp

I think this goto anywhere feature is the big bullet point of ST3, so yeah, if you don't care about it then you're fine

although I still have some fanboyism for ST3 because it uses/has Python 3 bindings

(what language is ST actually written in?)

fredley

@badp Not on the Python 3 bandwagon yet

@badp Java

badp

3:30 PM

@fredley really?

fredley

@badp lol of course not

FEichinger

@fredley C++ and Python

fredley

*shudders at the ~~eclipse~~ thought*

badp

@fredley Consider that Python 2.7 is the only version of the language that's getting bug fixes

fredley

@badp Yeah

Python 3 will happen

badp

3:31 PM

If I had infinite time I'd love to "port" Sublime Text to the terminal

fredley

Next Django project I do (which I'm already gearing up for, mentally) will be Python 3

@badp unf

badp

@fredley this means that when you ssh you don't have to give up and use nano, or vim, or emacs

fredley

@badp Oh I use SublimeFTP

It's awesome

Save -> syncs file over ssh to remote

Feels like I'm sshing nothin' at all!

badp

not awesome enough to have been ported to ST3 yet, it seems

3ventic

@fredley I'm doing this with WinSCP + Visual Studio

fredley

3:33 PM

@badp I'll stick with ST2 until it is, it's my number one plugin

@3ventic Used to do with NP++

badp

@fredley Fair enough

3ventic

Used to do with NP++ too

fredley

Because Visual Studio is an IDE, and IDEs are bad

3ventic

but then I started liking VS more

Why are IDEs bad?

badp

uh, actually I can't find sublime ftp here

3ventic

3:34 PM

Why is @GnomeSlice suddenly a cyclops?

Arperum

@3ventic Evolution.

FEichinger

@3ventic <insert two-hour rant>

OrigamiRobot

@Arperum It only makes sense.

Sepia Lazers

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Q: How / can we ask about preparation for an expansion or new patch?

This concerns this question, but I think we can have a discussion more abstractly. What are the restrictions on asking about preparation for future content? In this case, there are a limited number of acceptable answers (less than 10 ways to spend gold on D3). The question is about current con...

discussion

3ventic

OrigamiRobot

3:37 PM

@3ventic I prefer SATA.

FEichinger

@OrigamiRobot Oh, you!

3ventic

@OrigamiRobot ಠ_ಠ

fredley

@3ventic THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU, THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

OrigamiRobot

♫ That's my OrigamiRobot! ♫

fredley

EXORCISE THE PHP

RedRiderX

3:38 PM

3ventic

the PHP extension just broke..

RedRiderX

Progress!

3ventic

DAMN YOU @FREDLEY

RedRiderX

At least I think it's progress

FEichinger

@3ventic Wait a second ... You're doing PHP in Visual Studio?

Shame on you.

3ventic

3:39 PM

You and your exorcising

FEichinger

SHAME ON YOU.

3ventic

@FEichinger Why not?

it's better than notepad++...

FEichinger

@3ventic SHAAAAAAAAAAAME OOOOOOOOOON YOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUU!

fredley

whatthefuckismywearablestrategy.com

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic because... the only reason to EVER use visual studio is because you're using some microsoft product

badp

3:39 PM

@RedRiderX er... er... er... I can announce safely that what we are counting down to is not that.

Kevin van der Velden

PHP is not a microsoft product (and doesn't even need compiling)

3ventic

@KevinvanderVelden I do that too

RedRiderX

@badp Thank goodness I don't want that tight a deadline :P

Kevin van der Velden

@badp are you absolutely sure about that? Did they even tell you what it was?

3ventic

easier to use one editor for everything than a million based on what you're doing..

Sterno

3:40 PM

I don't know how I feel about this "prepare for future of the game" question thing

badp

@KevinvanderVelden confident

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic exactly, use a proper editor for the editing and use visual studio for the compiling

fredley

Confirmed, countdown is for HL3.

FEichinger

(To be fair, I shouldn't be talking, I do my PHP the old-fashioned way: nano!)

Sterno

It's asking how to interact with the currently existing game to best prepare for the future. Yes, it requires speculation, but it's also talking about the game as it currently exists.

3ventic

3:40 PM

@KevinvanderVelden VS is proper...

It hasn't failed me yet

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger I don't do PHP, but if I would do PHP I'd use Vim

FEichinger

@3ventic BWAHAHAHAHA. Yeh, no. It's not.

Yuki

17 hours ago, by Yuki

@AshleyNunn inb4 @badp's announcement is actually "Hey, it's Martin Luther King Jr. Day!"

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic it fails you every time, EVERY TIME

FEichinger

@KevinvanderVelden Meh, I don't like vim. Too much of a break in terms of usability.

3ventic

3:41 PM

@KevinvanderVelden I'm not seeing it

FEichinger

2 mins ago, by 3ventic

the PHP extension just broke..

HamStare @3ventic

fredley

@3ventic ಠ_ಠ

3ventic

I disabled it by accident

Wandang

"

What the fuck! You don't even have JavaScript enabled!
You need to enable it to see all the fucking cool shit on this website...
"

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger true, it has a learning-brick-wall. But it is the best at usabillity when you get used to it and customize it

So many things I can do with a dozen keys rather than manually slowly doing it

FEichinger

3:42 PM

@KevinvanderVelden Meh. I like my editor plain and simple.

Jason Berkan

@3ventic Me neither. Editors are more what you are comfortable with than what they can do.

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger I like macros <3 macros

Jason Berkan

I'm comfortable in the Visual Studio editor and its integration with everything else on the project (source control, databases, bug reports, continuous integration) makes my job simpler, so I gladly use it.

badp

The idea of being able to perform macros is appealing. But then I'd use vim for macros, not just everyday editing.

And most of the time, you can fake macros with multiple carets.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp I use it for every day editing because it has the most powerfull method of moving the cursor I know of

badp

3:45 PM

(in ST, ctrl-click adds a new caret, shift-right click makes a rectangular selection with a caret per line, etc.)

GnomeSlice

►

OrigamiRobot

I type all my code into Microsoft Word, print it, scan that to PDF, run it through OCR, then copy that into VS.

5

Kevin van der Velden

And I'm not even joking, like 90% of developing is changing code and jumping around

GnomeSlice

Eidolon is a game about exploring a mysterious landscape and uncovering the stories of the people who lived there once before. It is a game about history, curiosity, interconnectedness, and the slow and inevitable beauty of life.
You will be dropped into the dreary and mystical Western Washington circa 2400 c.e. with a bow, fishing rod, and little to guide your way. Awaiting you is a vast landscape filled with wildlife, edible plants, and the historical artefacts of our now-dead culture—journals, newspapers, zines, brochures, transcripts, and more. You must spend your fleeting moments movin…

Kevin van der Velden

It's very, very rare that you write more then a dozen lines in one go

badp

3:46 PM

@KevinvanderVelden ctrl-shift-r, type start of name of any function in the codebase, enter

GnomeSlice

This looks very very interesting.

badp

and, after that, you can, um, use your mouse.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp yeah that, I keep my hands on the keyboard

So I don't have to go to the first place with the mouse, type 5 letters, mouse, type, mouse, type, you get the picture

kalina

@Sterno how are you reading that question?

OrigamiRobot

@kalina With his reading glasses.

kalina

3:47 PM

hilarious

Sterno

@kalina Well, the D3 thing is an example of one such question, but the meta isn't about ONLY that D3 question

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Don't forget to take a photo, get it developed, and scan that in too

Sterno

In particular, I don't remember the specifics anymore, but I remember every WOW expansion back when I played there were some pretty regular steps you could take to maximize profit before the patch hit without having to know too many particulars.

Yuki

@OrigamiRobot Don't you write it down by hand first and then copy it into Word?

kalina

@Sterno in this instance though, it's provoked by the Diablo 3 question - since there hasn't ever been an expansion for Diablo 3 we can't do anything except speculate

OrigamiRobot

3:49 PM

@Yuki What am I, a caveman?

kalina

There is no precedent for how the gear scaling will change, how the economy will be affected, etc

You are of course free to downvote me and post your own answer

Yuki

@OrigamiRobot Actually handwriting would be fairly advanced for a robot.

kalina

Just because I answered first doesn't mean I'm right

badp

@OrigamiRobot do you do that in caps lock mode?

Sterno

@kalina Or just leave a comment and do neither until I get my thoughts together and arrive at a conclusion!

OrigamiRobot

3:49 PM

@kalina There won't be an economy. /rant

badp

@KevinvanderVelden vim proponents like to overestimate the amount of time spent moving one of your hands half a keyboard away

Sterno

I don't know if we are yet, but mainly I just want to avoid us having a kneejerk reaction of "Oh, it's about something in the future? OFFTOPIC!"

Because I think there can be valid questions like that.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot You're getting ladder. You can stop ranting now.

badp

but if the jump is easy enough to do with a keyboard, then it can probably be achieved with arrow keys, ctrl-arrow keys, page up/page down, etc.

FEichinger

@kalina You raise a pretty important point there: People "prepare for the change" because they want to be "ideal" when said change hits. So it most certainly is about "what is ideal after the change?", which is pure speculation. — FEichinger 1 min ago

badp

3:51 PM

and if it's more complicated than that, a click is likely to get you there mindlessly, rather than force you to do a context switch from solving your problem to solving the problem of getting to where you need to get to

OrigamiRobot

@Frank It doesn't matter if everything is BoA.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp possibly, I do know that for most text editing tasks I'm the goto person because I'm much faster than the rest who don't use vim

badp

@KevinvanderVelden they probably just enjoy the shine in your eyes when asked to perform boring mundane tasks :P

"We're going on a VIM adventure!"

Kevin van der Velden

@badp going back and forth between brackets "%", Selecting the inside of a brackets "vi(", those kinds of things, which are quite common for programmers in my experience, are quite a bit easier with vim then with the mouse

@badp meh, bother me for an hour to transform a CSV into a thing the SQL database can import or bother someone else for half a day

Usually they bother me for an hour

badp

@KevinvanderVelden ctrl-m?

Just because you're not using vim it doesn't mean you can't have keyboard shortcuts (although I don't think Sublime Text does arbitrary-character parens matching)

I think you can get away with subsequent ctrl-shift-m keystrokes

You can also get a selection per regexp hit, then work on all of those at the same time :)

Kevin van der Velden

3:58 PM

@badp it's not just the shortcuts. It's the sequence bit. You can combine different things to do a lot with few characters

badp

I believe ST is the right compromise between power and not giving up absolutely everything about text editing you've learned in the rest of your life

Kevin van der Velden

Meh, never used sublime text (cause, you know, I already use Vim)

badp

@KevinvanderVelden but now we're hardly in the "speed editing" category; that involves a lot of trial and error, undoing, backtracking, thinking, typoes...

I do wonder if there was a way to make vim act like the unix atc game

where text appears at the bottom as you type commands

Kevin van der Velden

@badp meh, experience reduces that

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