The Bridge

Arperum

15:00

@fredley Do you want some access DB with your hate? Since I have some of that crap to do today.

kalina

this next hour is statistically the most active period on chat for me throughout the day

so I'm going afk

Arperum

@kalina Why?

kalina

I am currently AFK, please leave your message after the fire induced scream.

FEichinger

@Arperum To balance out her chat activity, I suppose.

Which doesn't really work when she's responding with "I am afk" ...

Arperum

@FEichinger Stupid reason.

kalina

15:03

I've read the graph improperly

FEichinger

@Arperum Well, don't blame me!

kalina

this is actually the quietest point during my work day

RedRiderX

progress is being made

kalina

and as such, I need to be more active than normal

RedRiderX

sort of

kalina

15:04

so it's time to start an important and long winded discussion

so let's talk about angel cake

FEichinger

@kalina Screw you.

kalina

I think angel cake is such an awesome thing

because angels are awesome

and cake is awesome

Arperum

@RedRiderX Your progress is weird.

kalina

and thus, angel cake is awesome

Arperum

22 secs ago, by FEichinger

@kalina Screw you.

RedRiderX

15:04

40 secs ago, by RedRiderX

sort of

I'm just taking out all the unnecessary bits now.

Arperum

@RedRiderX Such as the weird lorum ipsum that is still there?

kalina

@Arperum my original response to this was too lewd for chat

RedRiderX

hush :P

FEichinger

@RedRiderX Do I even want to know what that is?

RedRiderX

46 mins ago, by RedRiderX

experiments in making desktop chat work on mobile

kalina

15:06

@Arperum all lorum ipsum is weird

FEichinger

@kalina Well, I guess we all know what you were gonna say anyway.

RedRiderX

46 mins ago, by RedRiderX

AKA making my first userscript

kalina

nope

you haven't a clue what I was going to say

Arperum

@FEichinger He's trying to fix mobile chat by using weird lorem ipsum things.

kalina

this was a completely original and unexpected statement

FEichinger

15:06

@Arperum ... hush.

RedRiderX

@Arperum The lorem ipsum wasn't my idea!

FEichinger

@kalina Share it with me, then!

kalina

no

FEichinger

PROVE YOUR POINT!

kalina

nope

Arperum

15:06

@kalina Share it with me then?

kalina

you can't make me

@Arperum ok

FEichinger

@kalina ... happyface

kalina

...not

Wandang

OH GUYS

RedRiderX

darn can you inject html with a userscript?

Wandang

15:07

i need your help

FEichinger

@RedRiderX Of course.

kalina

oh guys, @Wandang needs our help

RedRiderX

Oh

Wandang

listening to sum41 and remembered this song in a video game

RedRiderX

okay this is my first userscript so I have no idea what I'm doing

Arperum

15:08

@kalina Can't help you there.

kalina

no, I can't do identify-this-obscure-soundtrack-questions

Wandang

it was a 2d arcade scroller in which you could play a few different chars

each had 3 buttons to combo spells

kalina

@Wandang Mario B rothers

FEichinger

@RedRiderX shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596517748.do

Wandang

and could be played with 2 players

kalina

15:08

@Wandang Sonic

@Wandang Street Fighter

@Wandang Double Dragon

5pike

@Wandang Scroller? Do you mean shoot-em-up?

RedRiderX

@FEichinger I know JS just not the packaging for user scripts

FEichinger

@RedRiderX Same as any other JavaScript.

RedRiderX

but yeah I forget I could just inject with js

Hmm okay

FEichinger

Userscripts are, literally, JavaScript snippets inserted into the site.

RedRiderX

15:09

And it just runs after everything else?

FEichinger

Depends on the UserScript agent.

RedRiderX

Hmm.

FEichinger

Some run it on DOMReady, some add it after the HTML, some start it right before ...

Speaking of DOMReady, look up the HTMLDOM, will help you a lot.

kalina

2 hours 50 minutes

FEichinger

And you'll probably need lots of jQuery. All the jQuery.

RedRiderX

15:10

I've done this before I just wasn't sure what context userscripts fell into

kalina

wait a minute

I can't tell the time

Arperum

@kalina You sure?

RedRiderX

but it sounds like they are all over the place

FEichinger

@kalina 1:50, I believe.

kalina

1 hour 50 minutes

don't inb4 me

FEichinger

15:10

inb4

INBFUCKING4

Arperum

50 minutes for me, so 1 hour 50 minutes for you normally.

Wandang

you could walk left right and up and down (it was in transversely perspective)

kalina

inb4

RedRiderX

@FEichinger inb5

FEichinger

@kalina You inb4'd my inb4 ...

Wandang

15:11

lots of enemies would appear

kalina

@FEichinger I know

Wandang

the enemies were only humans

some with big muscles

FEichinger

Anyway, 1 hour 4 minutes.

kalina

@Wandang Wolfenstein

Metal Gear

Wandang

the chars itself were humans too

kalina

15:11

Dangerous Dave

Wandang

but with super powers like fireball or ice

FEichinger

Oh for heaven's sake, can someone switch the @kalina spam off?

Wandang

no nothing of the above

kalina

@FEichinger it's not spam, I'm guessing @Wandang's game

Wandang

hmm it was a ninja game but not with ninja cliche

FEichinger

15:12

@kalina You're guessing only to push your message count! You ain't fooling me!

kalina

@FEichinger I don't need to guess to push up my message count

that will happen naturally by me just being me

FEichinger

@kalina But it makes for a convenient excuse.

FAE

@Wandang clichés

kalina

you know, last Friday I said >900 things

morning @FAE

FAE

@kalina Ergh.

kalina

15:13

@FAE I know the feeling

Wandang

damnit this game was soo good :/

FAE

@kalina Woke up this morning from someone drilling in the wall.

FEichinger

@kalina ...

kalina

@FAE that's what it was like all weekend where I'm staying atm

FEichinger

@FAE If you were @kalina, this would be starred for the mere mention of "drilling".

Wandang

15:13

you would have an attack button, 1 def button and 1 jump button

FAE

All the walls here are cement, so it just radiates through a few apartments around wherever it's taking place

kalina

drilling and hammering

@FEichinger that's because the bridge is full of perverts

Wandang

if you did attack + def + right or left it would be a spell

FEichinger

@kalina QED, I suppose.

5pike

@Wandang Your description isn't very good. There are just to many games that could fit that description.

kalina

15:14

@5pike totally

5pike

Especially Arcade games

Wandang

well it was like 7 years ago

FAE

@kalina It happens so often that I seriously think my neighbors must have no smooth walls left and they're just pockmarked for the lolz or something.

FEichinger

@kalina But remember, you're Princess Pervert.

Wandang

the game was pretty generic i give you that but it was old too

kalina

15:15

@FAE do what I do and play loud music from a really ugly weird genre

Wandang

i would guess 1998-2003

5pike

@Wandang Well, you could get a Mame emulator and sift through romlists.

kalina

like dutch gabba

really really loud

Wandang

it was on windows xp

FAE

@kalina Problem is I want to be sleeping when it happens

kalina

15:15

@FAE yeah I can sleep through music, I guess not everybody can

Wandang

not sure if a flash game or standalone

oh it was standalone i am sure now

so normal exe game

kalina

argh, I need to do some work

FAE

@kalina I can't sleep through music with lyrics I can understand because my brain will just latch onto the lyrics. Whenever I used to use music to fall asleep, it'd have to be instrumental. Music as an alarm, I can sleep through because I'm already asleep, but in this case, it'd make it harder to go back to sleep.

5pike

@Wandang Oh, so it's not an Arcade game, but a PC game?

OrigamiRobot

@FEichinger Yea, but @kalina would have phrased it "I woke up to drilling" or sommat.

FEichinger

15:17

@OrigamiRobot True enough.

kalina

@FAE yeah I know what you mean, most of the music I listen to has no vocals though

FAE

@OrigamiRobot That's kind of hard to sleep through.

kalina

You can perform this action again in 10 seconds

Wandang

@5pike well its genre is arcade like beating a level and advance

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina oh gods DON'T DO THAT. Horrible crap

OrigamiRobot

15:18

@FAE Obviously, since it woke her up.

Wandang

vevo.com/watch/sum-41/fat-lip/USIV30200040

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden it stops them from drilling and hammering though

Wandang

this song was played in one of them

AH

you could even go versus where you would play in a wrestling ring

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina then play some proper metal or something! Not bloody dutch gabber crap

Wandang

and you could take objects to throw

FAE

15:18

@Wandang Go to the wiki article for the song and see what other media it's been used in

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden no

FEichinger

@KevinvanderVelden No, the point really is that it has to be crap.

Ullallulloo

Wow, people actually raised $30,000 of Dogecoin to send the Jamacian bobsled team to the Olympics.

kalina

generally they'll come around and say something like "turn off that noise" and then I get to pull the whole "sorry, what? I couldn't hear you over all of the hammering and drilling" line

walk into a room while people are building stuff

fredley

UNRAGE

PROJECT COMPILED

Kevin van der Velden

15:19

@FEichinger meh, it could be survivable if you have proper noise cancelling headphones for the real music

kalina

pull a disapproving face

state "I can't believe you're all screwing in this room"

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley now for all the lovely runtime errors!

kalina

walk out again

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden shhhhhhhhh

FEichinger

@kalina Nope. NOPE. NOPENOPENOPE. Nope. Not starring that.

2

kalina

15:20

anyway brb I need to do some work for a minute or two

Arperum

@fredley ANd then the recompiling after those are fixed.

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley what are you building anyway, work thing?

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah

Wandang

could you tell me more games that come to your mind

damn

kalina

@Wandang State of Decay

Kevin van der Velden

15:21

@Wandang dota 2

fredley

New iOS app, requires getting up and running with OpenCV + XCode + iOS7

FEichinger

@kalina HUSH. WORK.

kalina

@Wandang Mass Effect

Wandang

@KevinvanderVelden Hamstare

fredley

Getting XCode to work properly with anything is a challenge

Wandang

15:21

STOP IT

kalina

@Wandang Quake

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang Dota 2 is fun! I played one game of 88 minutes yesterday :D

Wandang

@kalina dude

FEichinger

@fredley Triple-Ugh.

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang well be more specific then

5pike

15:21

@Wandang Sorry, there are just to many games.

kalina

@Wandang you asked...

fredley

@FEichinger A whole day's worth of ugh

Jason Berkan

@fredley XCode is a disaster.

fredley

@JasonBerkan Yes

Wandang

you never gave me a name of a game that had those criteria :/

fredley

15:22

It is

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang well that might tell you something (we don't know)

fredley

It is possible to build iPhone apps without it, but it's getting harder and harder, and on balance it's a worse path to take

Wandang

but but but

you know everything

Jason Berkan

I went to a panel discussion on coding for the Apple for Visual Studio developers. The guy running it started out by stating we would all hate XCode. And we did.

Wandang

@JasonBerkan i hate it too

@JasonBerkan working on it right now

Arperum

15:23

XCode works though some combination of voodoo and living of the pain and horror of the users.

Wandang

it has a neat performance measurement and good emulator

thats about it

badp

@DavidM Yes

about 17 hours ago, about 24 hours ago were left, so...

fredley

@Wandang I hate all IDEs

badp

@fredley ed

fredley

Things that are that heavy and complex are just wrong

@badp ...

badp

15:26

@fredley okay, how about Sublime Text 3?

@fredley The "3" part is important because it's got "search a symbol anywhere in my project"

fredley

@badp I use 2

RedRiderX

@badp Is that an IDE?

fredley

@RedRiderX It's a text-editor

Yuki

I haven't touched Xcode in the longest time for the sheer horror of having to work with Objective-C again.

badp

@RedRiderX Not really, although you kinda can make it do IDEy things, much like with vim

fredley

15:27

You can plugin it up to make it like an IDE

RedRiderX

Yeah I know I'm using it right now

fredley

But I don't

ST2 FTW

RedRiderX

@badp Yeah I suppose

badp

ST3 >> ST2

fredley

Glorious SublimeText Coding Master Race

RedRiderX

15:28

Heh

fredley

@badp That much of an improvement?

badp

@fredley Just "search for a symbol anywhere in my project" was a life saver for me

which is a feature ST2 does not have, I think

fredley

@badp That's not a big deal for me, I spend most of my time in only a handful of files anyway

Either views.py or models.py mostly

badp

I think this goto anywhere feature is the big bullet point of ST3, so yeah, if you don't care about it then you're fine

although I still have some fanboyism for ST3 because it uses/has Python 3 bindings

(what language is ST actually written in?)

fredley

@badp Not on the Python 3 bandwagon yet

@badp Java

badp

15:30

@fredley really?

fredley

@badp lol of course not

FEichinger

@fredley C++ and Python

fredley

*shudders at the ~~eclipse~~ thought*

badp

@fredley Consider that Python 2.7 is the only version of the language that's getting bug fixes

fredley

@badp Yeah

Python 3 will happen

badp

15:31

If I had infinite time I'd love to "port" Sublime Text to the terminal

fredley

Next Django project I do (which I'm already gearing up for, mentally) will be Python 3

@badp unf

badp

@fredley this means that when you ssh you don't have to give up and use nano, or vim, or emacs

fredley

@badp Oh I use SublimeFTP

It's awesome

Save -> syncs file over ssh to remote

Feels like I'm sshing nothin' at all!

badp

not awesome enough to have been ported to ST3 yet, it seems

3ventic

@fredley I'm doing this with WinSCP + Visual Studio

fredley

15:33

@badp I'll stick with ST2 until it is, it's my number one plugin

@3ventic Used to do with NP++

badp

@fredley Fair enough

3ventic

Used to do with NP++ too

fredley

Because Visual Studio is an IDE, and IDEs are bad

3ventic

but then I started liking VS more

Why are IDEs bad?

badp

uh, actually I can't find sublime ftp here

3ventic

15:34

Why is @GnomeSlice suddenly a cyclops?

Arperum

@3ventic Evolution.

FEichinger

@3ventic <insert two-hour rant>

OrigamiRobot

@Arperum It only makes sense.

Sepia Lazers

0

Q: How / can we ask about preparation for an expansion or new patch?

This concerns this question, but I think we can have a discussion more abstractly. What are the restrictions on asking about preparation for future content? In this case, there are a limited number of acceptable answers (less than 10 ways to spend gold on D3). The question is about current con...

discussion

3ventic

OrigamiRobot

15:37

@3ventic I prefer SATA.

FEichinger

@OrigamiRobot Oh, you!

3ventic

@OrigamiRobot ಠ_ಠ

fredley

@3ventic THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU, THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

OrigamiRobot

♫ That's my OrigamiRobot! ♫

fredley

EXORCISE THE PHP

RedRiderX

15:38

3ventic

the PHP extension just broke..

RedRiderX

Progress!

3ventic

DAMN YOU @FREDLEY

RedRiderX

At least I think it's progress

FEichinger

@3ventic Wait a second ... You're doing PHP in Visual Studio?

Shame on you.

3ventic

15:39

You and your exorcising

FEichinger

SHAME ON YOU.

3ventic

@FEichinger Why not?

it's better than notepad++...

FEichinger

@3ventic SHAAAAAAAAAAAME OOOOOOOOOON YOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUU!

fredley

whatthefuckismywearablestrategy.com

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic because... the only reason to EVER use visual studio is because you're using some microsoft product

badp

15:39

@RedRiderX er... er... er... I can announce safely that what we are counting down to is not that.

Kevin van der Velden

PHP is not a microsoft product (and doesn't even need compiling)

3ventic

@KevinvanderVelden I do that too

RedRiderX

@badp Thank goodness I don't want that tight a deadline :P

Kevin van der Velden

@badp are you absolutely sure about that? Did they even tell you what it was?

3ventic

easier to use one editor for everything than a million based on what you're doing..

Sterno

15:40

I don't know how I feel about this "prepare for future of the game" question thing

badp

@KevinvanderVelden confident

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic exactly, use a proper editor for the editing and use visual studio for the compiling

fredley

Confirmed, countdown is for HL3.

FEichinger

(To be fair, I shouldn't be talking, I do my PHP the old-fashioned way: nano!)

Sterno

It's asking how to interact with the currently existing game to best prepare for the future. Yes, it requires speculation, but it's also talking about the game as it currently exists.

3ventic

15:40

@KevinvanderVelden VS is proper...

It hasn't failed me yet

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger I don't do PHP, but if I would do PHP I'd use Vim

FEichinger

@3ventic BWAHAHAHAHA. Yeh, no. It's not.

Yuki

17 hours ago, by Yuki

@AshleyNunn inb4 @badp's announcement is actually "Hey, it's Martin Luther King Jr. Day!"

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic it fails you every time, EVERY TIME

FEichinger

@KevinvanderVelden Meh, I don't like vim. Too much of a break in terms of usability.

3ventic

15:41

@KevinvanderVelden I'm not seeing it

FEichinger

2 mins ago, by 3ventic

the PHP extension just broke..

HamStare @3ventic

fredley

@3ventic ಠ_ಠ

3ventic

I disabled it by accident

Wandang

"

What the fuck! You don't even have JavaScript enabled!
You need to enable it to see all the fucking cool shit on this website...
"

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger true, it has a learning-brick-wall. But it is the best at usabillity when you get used to it and customize it

So many things I can do with a dozen keys rather than manually slowly doing it

FEichinger

15:42

@KevinvanderVelden Meh. I like my editor plain and simple.

Jason Berkan

@3ventic Me neither. Editors are more what you are comfortable with than what they can do.

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger I like macros <3 macros

Jason Berkan

I'm comfortable in the Visual Studio editor and its integration with everything else on the project (source control, databases, bug reports, continuous integration) makes my job simpler, so I gladly use it.

badp

The idea of being able to perform macros is appealing. But then I'd use vim for macros, not just everyday editing.

And most of the time, you can fake macros with multiple carets.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp I use it for every day editing because it has the most powerfull method of moving the cursor I know of

badp

15:45

(in ST, ctrl-click adds a new caret, shift-right click makes a rectangular selection with a caret per line, etc.)

GnomeSlice

►

OrigamiRobot

I type all my code into Microsoft Word, print it, scan that to PDF, run it through OCR, then copy that into VS.

5

Kevin van der Velden

And I'm not even joking, like 90% of developing is changing code and jumping around

GnomeSlice

Eidolon is a game about exploring a mysterious landscape and uncovering the stories of the people who lived there once before. It is a game about history, curiosity, interconnectedness, and the slow and inevitable beauty of life.
You will be dropped into the dreary and mystical Western Washington circa 2400 c.e. with a bow, fishing rod, and little to guide your way. Awaiting you is a vast landscape filled with wildlife, edible plants, and the historical artefacts of our now-dead culture—journals, newspapers, zines, brochures, transcripts, and more. You must spend your fleeting moments movin…

Kevin van der Velden

It's very, very rare that you write more then a dozen lines in one go

badp

15:46

@KevinvanderVelden ctrl-shift-r, type start of name of any function in the codebase, enter

GnomeSlice

This looks very very interesting.

badp

and, after that, you can, um, use your mouse.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp yeah that, I keep my hands on the keyboard

So I don't have to go to the first place with the mouse, type 5 letters, mouse, type, mouse, type, you get the picture

kalina

@Sterno how are you reading that question?

OrigamiRobot

@kalina With his reading glasses.

kalina

15:47

hilarious

Sterno

@kalina Well, the D3 thing is an example of one such question, but the meta isn't about ONLY that D3 question

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Don't forget to take a photo, get it developed, and scan that in too

Sterno

In particular, I don't remember the specifics anymore, but I remember every WOW expansion back when I played there were some pretty regular steps you could take to maximize profit before the patch hit without having to know too many particulars.

Yuki

@OrigamiRobot Don't you write it down by hand first and then copy it into Word?

kalina

@Sterno in this instance though, it's provoked by the Diablo 3 question - since there hasn't ever been an expansion for Diablo 3 we can't do anything except speculate

OrigamiRobot

15:49

@Yuki What am I, a caveman?

kalina

There is no precedent for how the gear scaling will change, how the economy will be affected, etc

You are of course free to downvote me and post your own answer

Yuki

@OrigamiRobot Actually handwriting would be fairly advanced for a robot.

kalina

Just because I answered first doesn't mean I'm right

badp

@OrigamiRobot do you do that in caps lock mode?

Sterno

@kalina Or just leave a comment and do neither until I get my thoughts together and arrive at a conclusion!

OrigamiRobot

15:49

@kalina There won't be an economy. /rant

badp

@KevinvanderVelden vim proponents like to overestimate the amount of time spent moving one of your hands half a keyboard away

Sterno

I don't know if we are yet, but mainly I just want to avoid us having a kneejerk reaction of "Oh, it's about something in the future? OFFTOPIC!"

Because I think there can be valid questions like that.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot You're getting ladder. You can stop ranting now.

badp

but if the jump is easy enough to do with a keyboard, then it can probably be achieved with arrow keys, ctrl-arrow keys, page up/page down, etc.

FEichinger

@kalina You raise a pretty important point there: People "prepare for the change" because they want to be "ideal" when said change hits. So it most certainly is about "what is ideal after the change?", which is pure speculation. — FEichinger 1 min ago

badp

15:51

and if it's more complicated than that, a click is likely to get you there mindlessly, rather than force you to do a context switch from solving your problem to solving the problem of getting to where you need to get to

OrigamiRobot

@Frank It doesn't matter if everything is BoA.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp possibly, I do know that for most text editing tasks I'm the goto person because I'm much faster than the rest who don't use vim

badp

@KevinvanderVelden they probably just enjoy the shine in your eyes when asked to perform boring mundane tasks :P

"We're going on a VIM adventure!"

Kevin van der Velden

@badp going back and forth between brackets "%", Selecting the inside of a brackets "vi(", those kinds of things, which are quite common for programmers in my experience, are quite a bit easier with vim then with the mouse

@badp meh, bother me for an hour to transform a CSV into a thing the SQL database can import or bother someone else for half a day

Usually they bother me for an hour

badp

@KevinvanderVelden ctrl-m?

Just because you're not using vim it doesn't mean you can't have keyboard shortcuts (although I don't think Sublime Text does arbitrary-character parens matching)

I think you can get away with subsequent ctrl-shift-m keystrokes

You can also get a selection per regexp hit, then work on all of those at the same time :)

Kevin van der Velden

15:58

@badp it's not just the shortcuts. It's the sequence bit. You can combine different things to do a lot with few characters

badp

I believe ST is the right compromise between power and not giving up absolutely everything about text editing you've learned in the rest of your life

Kevin van der Velden

Meh, never used sublime text (cause, you know, I already use Vim)

badp

@KevinvanderVelden but now we're hardly in the "speed editing" category; that involves a lot of trial and error, undoing, backtracking, thinking, typoes...

I do wonder if there was a way to make vim act like the unix atc game

where text appears at the bottom as you type commands

Kevin van der Velden

@badp meh, experience reduces that

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