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2:35 AM
Asymptote in JavaScript: raphaeljs.com
 
 
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4:18 AM
Hey all, I have a thing on Kant for those of you obsessed with him: escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/feed-dump/… The 2nd story in. Sorry, not youtube so I can't link to the time.
That means you @PauloCereda and friends.
The story starts at 2:35 or so.
 
 
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7:58 AM
Is it automatically done?
 
8:21 AM
@PGFTricks YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT!!!!
 
8:44 AM
@PGFTricks yep
 
8:57 AM
@PGFTricks yes it happens:-)
Sep 16 at 11:34, by David Carlisle
@egreg yes good day so far,:you said my answer was wrong, so I deleted it and lost 30 points from upvotes, I had an unaccept for -15 and -60 for serial upvoting
 
 
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10:14 AM
@PGFTricks Yes, if the back-end decides votes are serial. We don't know the rules, but likely reasons are I think voting very rapidly on several pages or voting very rapidly for the same person. Such things might happen, for example, if you run out of votes one day and bookmark pages to vote on the next day.
 
@PGFTricks Like when I lost 4000+ rep points? (Well, in the end they only were 30, more or less).
 
11:17 AM
@DavidCarlisle I upvoted a lot of your answers today, so no harm done. :)
 
 
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1:08 PM
@tohecz That left brace after f: is really horrible.
 
@egreg I've seen it many times and I've always liked it
 
@tohecz Not in my papers or books.
 
@egreg well, I use the one-liner solution myself :) but for instance in the stupid two-column layout of some journals, it looks better than other solutions IMHO
 
@tohecz I too, except when the domain, the codomain or the definition of "f(x)" are quite complicated. Displaying it (except perhaps when you define the symbology used) is a waste of space.
 
@egreg I display it sometimes, but again, on one line. I especially do so when it's really an important function.
and btw, once any your definition is too complicated mess of symbols, maybe it either is a wrong definition or you are a bad article writer :)
 
1:17 PM
@tohecz Of course one decides the format and defines a macro for it. (I updated the image for your example, by the way.)
 
@egreg thanks, I would do it but my browser gets crazy when I upload an image to a post on the site
 
@egreg ooh the condominio... :)
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@egreg We have the same situation in Portuguese: codomínio vs. condomínio. :)
Personally, I prefer contradomínio than codomínio. :)
 
@PauloCereda what is "condominio"?
 
1:27 PM
@tohecz In Italian/Portuguese, it means the building full of apartments - I don't know the exact word in English. :)
 
@PauloCereda apartment house?
 
@tohecz No idea. :)
 
@tohecz Yes. "Condo" in the US. ;-)
 
@egreg and squat is some parts of the US...
@egreg btw ad function decleration: I would never use longer arrows in a formula unless there's something on top of the arrow
 
@PauloCereda flat block of flats for the whole building
 
1:39 PM
@tohecz I too prefer short arrows; but in the display slightly longer arrows seem better.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah! :)
21 hours ago, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle: Out of curiosity, what does the P. in David P. Carlisle mean? :)
@David: ^^ :)
 
@egreg might be, that's true, especially \iff and \implies. Still, they should have the same length
 
@PauloCereda I'm sure the answer is available on the internet
 
@PauloCereda Peevish?
 
@egreg I shall ignore that comment
 
1:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle No luck so far. :)
@egreg PowerPoint. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle See? That's it. :P
 
@PauloCereda If I do a google search for my full name I have several hits...
 
I need to go to Venice. See you later.
 
2:16 PM
@topskip Not yet! :-)
@DavidCarlisle, @JosephWright, @Rico, @egreg: OK. Thanks!
 
I don't know if anyone else has sufficient knowledge of both cricket and baseball to find this as hysterical as I do. But (try to) enjoy.
 
2:35 PM
@SamWhited I also liked "Caught by the chap in the pyjamas with the glove that makes everything easier."
 
@AlanMunn I have absolutely no idea of what's going on. :)
 
@PauloCereda You'll have a much better time with most of his other videos, which are all about football.
 
@ForkrulAssail +1 for pointing to the one true editor (I'm sure you'll get a vote from @PauloCereda as well)
 
@AlanMunn :)
@DavidCarlisle vim? :)
 
3:01 PM
@PauloCereda I found it! =)
 
@Jake Oh my!
Share it. :)
 
@PauloCereda bit.ly/185u68Q
@PauloCereda ...and then on page 3 of the results...
@PauloCereda More specifically, this: mirror.hmc.edu/ctan/info/epslatex/french/btxdoc.bib
 
@Jake Oh. My. God.
 
@PauloCereda Hehe
 
@Jake You sir deserve heaven.
First of all, dat query.
:)
 
3:06 PM
@PauloCereda Not for that, hopefully.
 
@Jake :)
 
I was hoping for something more exciting. "Pumpernickel", for example.
 
@Jake LOL
 
3:28 PM
Am I a bad LaTeX user if I feel compelled to keep the beautifully typeset compiled pdf open next to my "source" code.
 
@DanielE.Shub Well we all like to admire our beautiful source from time to time. ;-)
 
@AlanMunn including xii.tex :)
 
3:44 PM
@PauloCereda sometimes I wonder if some of you guys even have TeX installed. Do you think @DavidCarlisle has even seen the compiled version of xii.tex?
 
@DanielE.Shub I'm pretty sure David doesn't even run the code he uses in his answers (at least, in most of the answers). :)
 
kan
4:06 PM
Hmm! Can someone please tell me why rotating package together with sidewaysfigure environment do clockwise rotation as opposed to anticlockwise rotation mentioned in the manual?
 
@kan Doesn't that depend on whether you have twoside or not?
 
kan
@TorbjørnT. Hah! Did not read carefully!
But, I have amsart class.
So, may be I should pass the option counterclockwise ?
(to the package of course!)
 
4:23 PM
@kan Suppose so, though that didn't work here for some reason. You could try figuresleft or figuresright instead, if it doesn't work for you either.
 
kan
@TorbjørnT. it did not work for me either...
And, thanks for the nice idea.
 
@PGFTricks I know a lot of "grown up kids" that also answer without thinking. :) Great question! :)
 
@PauloCereda Thanks for upvoting :-)
 
@PGFTricks Oh I don't have an account there. :(
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@PGFTricks Not wanting to get into a big debate here, but what would constitute evidence of "lazy thinking"?
(I find this a very loaded, judgmental word, so your question would be much more productive if you could clarify it without such language.)
 
5:01 PM
@PGFTricks: this video might help:
:)
 
@AlanMunn The evidence is they read and understand the problem but they don't think the solution. So I call them as "lazy-to-think-the-solution kids".
@PauloCereda Hmmm... :-)
 
@PGFTricks You mean they don't come up with the right solution, or they simply say they don't want to do the problem at all?
 
@Alan as to my experience, they just shout a random answer without even trying to think. I noticed this will children/pupils/students from very young children throughout to the university students
 
(English getting in the way here, since you can't say "think the solution", so I'm not totally clear on what you mean still.)
 
@AlanMunn Feel free to edit my question :-)
 
5:12 PM
@PGFTricks No, I don't have an account there either. I just think you should reconsider the terms. Also, is "I'm going to be an artist so I don't need math" different from "I'm going to be a scientist, so I don't need art"?
@tohecz They're certainly not random, otherwise you'd get answers like "Banana" a math question, which you don't.
 
@AlanMunn No. To a question: "If you sum 1, 2, 3 and 4, how much you get?" They would answer "I dunno ... seventeen?"
 
The point I'm trying to make is that it's always a bad idea to attribute properties with a moral component (like 'laziness') to answers that may come about through misunderstanding in some way.
 
@AlanMunn Cookie! :)
 
@tohecz Maybe random (although within the right domain). Certainly wrong. The question is what can you conclude from that answer? That's the hard part.
 
@AlanMunn well, sometimes you just encourage/motivate the people a bit, giving them no math hint, and they come with the answer
 
5:19 PM
"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
Of cabbages—and kings—
And why the sea is boiling hot—
And whether pigs have wings."
 
@tohecz Fair enough. So motivating students and making things seem (temporarily) relevant is a good start.
 
5:36 PM
Back from the short tour to Venice. At an information desk there was a couple of Americans; the lady asked the clerk: "Can you show me on the map where is the place all tourists go to?"
 
@egreg Maybe she wanted to avoid it?
 
@AlanMunn Oh, no! They hadn't the slightest idea of what Venice is. :-O
Ereg, you are my hero! I used the first variant, and it work's perfect! — user5950 3 hours ago
 
@egreg I was once in a cafe in Salzburg and an American came in wearing bermuda shorts, knee socks, a Hawaiian shirt with a camera around his neck and said "Do you speak American?". An American I was with at the time almost crawled under the table in embarrassment.
 
5:53 PM
@AlanMunn A good opportunity for you to practice your Portuguese: Desculpe-me, eu não o compreendo. :) No T-shirt with a big waving American flag? There's something wrong with the profile. :P
 
@PauloCereda Surely if I actually said that with all those clitics I'd be caught out as non-native for sure?
 
@AlanMunn Nah, for a person that wants someone to speak American, you can tell him you only speak Brazilian. :P
 
@egreg Venize... you mean Benátky :)
 
@egreg Santa Lucia playing in the background. Or that was better suitable for Naples? :)
 
@tohecz you are not in Brejlov? (maps.google.com/maps/…)
... I was thinking of going there, such a lovely place
 
6:01 PM
@topskip I'm in Paris, having a busy month. Sounds nice, I wonder if the participants try kanoeing on Sázava :)
 
@topskip Come here, we have good barbecues. :) Ask @AlanMunn, he can vouch for us. :) Well, he has the advantage of going to the South region of Brazil, which is the barbecue excellence of Latin American. :)
 
@tohecz "Venesia", in local language.
 
I've been a vim user since the dawn of time, but this is the first time I tried to use the conceal feature. Spooky.
 
@PauloCereda I would love to go to Brazil! (Only two little problems now: no money, no time :)
 
@PauloCereda You certainly know that Santa Lucia is buried in Venice.
 
6:03 PM
well guys, I gotta go. 7.5 km bike ride now :)
 
@egreg Really? I didn't know! I only know that her feast is in Dec 13. We have a lovely image of her in our humble church. :)
@tohecz Have a nice ride, Tom! :)
@topskip Be my guest. :) If I ever organize a TUG conference in here, I hope all you guys to attend. :)
 
@PauloCereda In San Geremia church, not far from the train station. The train station is called "Venezia Santa Lucia" because it has been built where the Santa Lucia church was. When it was demolished, the body was transferred to San Geremia.
 
@egreg How nice, I'd love to visit Venezia.
Speaking of station names, when in São Paulo, some of the subway stations are named after the localization + the name of the soccer team which has the training center nearby. :)
 
6:18 PM
Is it possible to use the --- em dash shortcut when using some font besides CM? for example, Minion Pro
 
@SamWhited ooh that's dirty. I'm in. :)
 
@jtbandes Most fonts tuned up for pdflatex have the ligatures built in. If you use fontspec for XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX, call the fonts with the Ligatures=TeX option.
@SamWhited I'll be in Slovenia, next Saturday, where the gasoline costs less. But I can load only 12 liters in my tank, so when I arrive home it's emtpy.
 
6:40 PM
@egreg: We found the meaning of P. :)
 
@PauloCereda Really? pt_br_utf8_Corinthians is a pretty funny station name. :)
 
@AlanMunn ascii_Palmeiras. :P
@AlanMunn: it's not that much, I guess: Portuguesa-Tietê, Palmeiras-Barra Funda and Corinthians-Itaquera. :)
 
I think you meant 'neighbourhood' (bairro) not 'localization'.
 
@AlanMunn Oopsie, you are right.
 
7:13 PM
@PauloCereda and @AlanMunn Did you see I left you a Kant-thing?
 
@Canageek ??? a Kant-thing? I'm always the last to know.
 
@Canageek Oh I did! :) A gem. :)
 
@Canageek Meanwhile, as I'm stalking you trying to figure out WTF you're talking about, I discovered your blog post on obstacles and creativity. You might really like this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Obstructions
 
@AlanMunn
Hey all, I have a thing on Kant for those of you obsessed with him: escapistmagazine.com/videos/… The 2nd story in. Sorry, not youtube so I can't link to the time.
The story starts at 2:35 or so.
 
7:34 PM
@Canageek Unfortunately that's not a link at all.
 
@SamWhited Čevapčiči?
@SamWhited That's more Croatian, actually; the name comes from Persian "kebab", via Turkish.
Ćevapi () or ćevapčići (formal diminutive, , ) is a grilled dish of minced meat, a type of kebab, found traditionally in the countries of southeastern Europe. They are considered a national dish in Bosnia and Herzegovina,Bosnia and Herzegovina. (2009). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved July 27, 2009, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/7008 26/Bosnia-and-Herzegovina and in Serbia. They are also common in Croatia, Montenegro, Slovenia, as well as in Republic of Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria and the north east o...
 
@egreg ıčıčdɐʌǝč?
 
@SamWhited They are good
 
8:01 PM
Oh my, LaTeX3 is sexy.
 
@PauloCereda bizarre :)
"LaTeX3 - sexy"
 
@topskip \usepackage[notwerk]{mileycyrus}
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:)
Hey who starred that?!
 
@PauloCereda (duck, run)
 
@topskip Damn internet people. :)
 
@AlanMunn Opps
 
8:19 PM
@PauloCereda Using T1 won't help if the option to inputenc is wrong. The basic difference between OT1 and T1 is that accented letters are constructed with the former and single glyphs with the latter.
 
@egreg Oh my.
@egreg: I saw your comment, you could actually write an answer. :)
 
9:01 PM
@AlanMunn Sorry, was talking to boss then at lunch: escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/feed-dump/…
 
9:15 PM
@Canageek If you are into games, take a look at the Zero Punctuation section of The Escapist, it's pretty hilarious. :)
 
@Canageek I especially like the comment "also just wondering if anybody else heard canteen philosophy before they explained it?"
Dan Luecking just joined the site.
 
@PauloCereda Have you managed to integrate arara with vim-latex?
I've got it running with let g:Tex_Flavor = 'arara' and let g:Tex_CompileRule_pdf = 'arara $* 1>/dev/null'. It's just annoying that vim-latex still uses its rules to decide whether to compile latex more than once... so if and when it does, that means it repeats arara 3-4 times (which is a pain!)
I haven't found a flag to disable its automation
 
9:35 PM
@rm-rf Hello! :) I'm actually stuck, since I don't use vim-latex. :( But I'm still investigating.
I'll ask Marco, I believe he had some suggestions on how to make it work.
At least, as a workaround.
 
@PauloCereda Oh, sorry... I was under the impression you used it (at least, for the macros).
I do know where to disable it in the source code... a few versions ago, I re-edited it to include my own compilation function, but I never actually bothered to check if there was a sane way to do it. I don't want to go that route, since it doesn't survive version updates
@PauloCereda Thanks :)
 
@rm-rf I'm more of a vanilla vim user. :)
By the way, thanks for using arara. :)
 
@rm-rf Actually he uses emacs and pretends to use vim to annoy others. :)
 
@AlanMunn Hey! :)
@Alan: this is actually something @DavidCarlisle would say to me. :)
 
Finding where the spurious space comes from is a job for @DavidCarlisle
2
Q: Listings, Cleverref, and Appendix: Weird Alignment

rainerI'm using the packages listings and cleverref in my thesis. When I put a listing in the appendix, however, it seems to be somehow indented: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{listings} \usepackage{cleveref} % <-- remove me! \begin{document} \begin{lstlisting} a a a \end{lstlisting} \append...

 
9:44 PM
@PauloCereda Remember I use emacs if I'm in a shell.
 
@egreg Can \tracingall solve it?
 
@PauloCereda I watch it regularly.
 
@AlanMunn :)
 
@PauloCereda Maybe.
 
@Canageek Me too! :) New episodes every Wednesday. :)
 
9:47 PM
@PauloCereda Thanks for writing it :) vim-latex served my needs for several years, but the increasing variations in the types of documents I've been writing meant I needed per file flexibility rather than a one-size-fits-all approach.
 
@rm-rf One of my favourite vim plugins is Conque: code.google.com/p/conque . Sometimes I open a new session in a buffer and run commands from it. :)
 
10:02 PM
We have also Dan Luecking!
user37136, Fayetteville, AR
31 3
 
@egreg Just because you added a picture doesn't mean you announced it first: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/11409958#11409958 :)
 
@AlanMunn I didn't see your announcement, sorry. Good news nonetheless.
 
@egreg Another mathematician. :)
 
@egreg I'm just kidding. It is good news; Dan is an amazing source of TeX knowledge.
 
@AlanMunn Another bloke to steal @DavidCarlisle's green ticks? :)
 
10:09 PM
@AlanMunn Yes, his posts on comp.text.tex are always excellent.
 
@PauloCereda It depends on whether he gets bitten by the TeX.sx bug.
 
@AlanMunn We are Borg.
:)
The rest follows. \qed
 
@PauloCereda Unfortunately not, otherwise we'd all be able to answer all of the questions that David and Enrico answer. :)
 
@AlanMunn No lightsabers, sadly. :)
 
@PauloCereda Sorry sir, you're in the wrong show.
 
10:34 PM
So Dan needs some rep point boost I guess
why can't I just give 10k to people who deserve it?
might as well 50k too by the way
percusse....converting TikZ manual to rep points since 2011
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11:35 PM
@PauloCereda You should check out loadingreadyrun if you like Yatzee. Very diffrent style, but I think you might like it.
 

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