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12:14 AM
@PauloCereda Have you ever played with MacPorts?
@PauloCereda Why am I even asking. You're too busy celebrating. ;-)
@AlanMunn Nope, only brew. My experience with MacPorts was so traumatic. :)
@AlanMunn Now I'm back, sorry. :)
@egreg: I can't believe Italy played at 1PM in Salvador. That's just cruel, very cruel.
12:30 AM
@PauloCereda No apologies needed. I'm trying to help this guy. tex.stackexchange.com/q/121257/2693 and it seems he has MacPorts which is screwing everything up. I'd just like to know how to get rid of it.
@AlanMunn Maybe which -a texhash might help us:
paulo@alexandria ~$ which -a texhash
We can see all occurrences of a command in the path and the order.
12:45 AM
@PauloCereda Oh, that's useful. I didn't know the -a option of which.
@AlanMunn Been there done that. It's a blessing when you are lost in path priority hell. :)
@PauloCereda Once I got rid of Fink many years ago I have continued to be in /usr/local heaven. :)
@AlanMunn Ah! :)
@AlanMunn: success, apparently. :) Good job. :)
@PauloCereda Yes, so it seems. The OP isn't very good at explaining things it seems or responding to questions, which is why the question ended up closed.
1:03 AM
@AlanMunn Indeed. Sadly, some problems end users face are not TeX related, making them quite difficult to track. We need a lot of communication in this case.
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3:21 AM
@AlanMunn So should it be left closed or reopened to answer properly?
3:51 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel I guess it's possible that someone else might have the same problem. There is a sense in which any non-MacTeX distribution always causes problems, so having an answer somewhere that says that might be helpful.
4:01 AM
I've cast the last reopen vote and added an answer.
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6:04 AM
@egreg what shall I do when my long exact sequence is to long for the page ?
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7:23 AM
Hello, I'm trying to define syntax highlighting for XML. I have following snippet:

morekeywords={xmlns,version,type},% list your attributes here
And it almost works. Just comments (<!-- something -->) are not highlighted in grey colour. Interestingly a string "<? something ?>" has grey colour.
Do you have any idea what might be wrong?
7:35 AM
I got no idea
Does anybody experienced problem with tikzcd and adobe reader ?
@MartinScharrer, @StefanKottwitz (@Stefan) Could one of you take a look at tex.stackexchange.com/admin/flags/close-as-off-topic and if you are happy approve the new off-topic text? Bullet points don't seem to work, so I've run the list from Andrew Swann's meta answer inline
8:15 AM
@JosephWright Will the "too localized" reason be removed?
8:32 AM
@DominicMichaelis You split it. ;-)
@egreg Do you have an advice how? Not that I suggest something wrong by the splitting
@DominicMichaelis multline, definitely; split at an arrow.
9:00 AM
@Stefan Already gone
9:33 AM
@egreg do you like writelatex.com/252294wsgmdm
@DominicMichaelis No. ;-) You aren't really writing Kef and Cof, are you?
Mac Lane does it :/
I am using $\ker$ and $\coker $ for the morphisms
@egreg writelatex.com/252309czwtdj this is the current version of my seminar work
Do you like it else? I just mean the layout
9:59 AM
@DominicMichaelis Not bad. However Kef and so on are simply wrong. Mac Lane or not. ;-) If you want italics, it's \operatorname{\mathit{Ke}}f; but I'd not use italics: "Ke" is an operator, after all.
ok that was what i felt right anyway
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11:30 AM
Has anyone applied the latest patches from TeXLive 2013? seems the inconsolata package has been broken
@ArTourter It's a pity that the new package doesn't have inconsolata.sty for backward compatibility; now the package to be loaded is called zi4 :(
also the otf font has disapeared
I have the vague impression that the package was meant to enhance the original one, not replace it
@egreg What the zi4 package seems to do in fact is insert Type3 font characters for the straight quotes. it is not a modification of the the original font.
it looks more like a hack than anything else
11:50 AM
@ArTourter Complain with the author! He's usually active in answering to users' needs.
New 'off topic- text is installed :-)
@JosephWright Yay!
@egreg I tried to subscribe to the tex-live mailing list and send a message there but although I am subscribed and receiving the messages, my messages don't seem to get anywhere.
@ArTourter The tex-live list is not really the right place for this. Michael Sharpe's email can be found in the README file for newtx: msharpe at ucsd dot edu
@ArTourter When you subscribe to a list, a couple of days can be needed for the first message to show up.
@egreg thanks for the info re the delay in the list.
@egreg well I originally thought the package was replaced by mistake, and that the zi4 should have been a separate one, hence my emailing the list.
I will email the maintainers as well
12:10 PM
Happy Canada day!
12:47 PM
I was looking at my profile:
1	post marked offensive
I marked something offensive or someone marked a post of mine offensive?
12:59 PM
@PauloCereda Another party day for @AlanMunn
@egreg Indeed. :)
@PauloCereda Uh, oh, it happened again. @DavidCarlisle won't be happy.
@egreg quite.
@DavidCarlisle Don't you like the \switch macro?
1:16 PM
@egreg well it is lovely of course but I think actually I prefer my answer (what a surprise:-) semantically += is being used as on operator of that name so \mathrel{{+}{=}} seems closer to that (should be hidden behind a top level macro of course). \mathrel{+}= comes out the same thing but isn't as clear I think.
@DavidCarlisle One knows that = is a relation. ;-)
equivalence is an equivalence relation :D
@DominicMichaelis Sometimes. ;-)
1:40 PM
@egreg David has a bouncy castle in his backyard, no reason to be sad. :)
@PauloCereda I don't actually. The company had one for an afternoon but they sent it back:(
@DavidCarlisle Oh no!
@egreg woohoo!
@PauloCereda We only have (small) greens and a fountain.
1:47 PM
@egreg :)
1:59 PM
@PauloCereda Thanks for the Canada day wishes. :)
@AlanMunn My pleasure. :)
2:16 PM
@AlanMunn Uh! You're still able to put words into the right order. No party yet?
2:30 PM
@egreg I just got up. :) It's a little early for drinking. Although in today's e-mail comes a reason to drink independent of Canada day: an invited speaker to our workshop this weekend has just pulled out.
2:47 PM
@egreg : Hi, Enrico. Why do you consider æ to be wrong?
@egreg !!! Bunga-bunga !!!
@Brent: Hi Brent. :) I have some news for you later on. :)
Jan 15 at 21:25, by Paulo Cereda
@egreg: out of curiosity, I was wondering if all ae occurrences should be typeset as \ae, e.g, Ordinarium Missae -> Ordinarium Missæ
Jan 15 at 21:28, by egreg
@PauloCereda The æ ligature is not even medieval, but later. Never use it in Latin and don't trust anybody who tells you to use it.
@PauloCereda :( I like being different!
@Brent.Longborough Me too. :)
@PauloCereda Are you one of those NSA people?
@PauloCereda Anyway, it's not Latin, it's Swedish
@AlanMunn NSA people don't qualify trust; they mistrust everyone
2:52 PM
@AlanMunn No, I'm clean. :) /I've been spotted! Where's that cyanide pill?
@Brent.Longborough It's a renaissance artifact.
They say that more people have died of vascular incidents caused by annoyance with 'Homeland Security' than by terrorists.
@Brent.Longborough I'll leave bunga-bunga to another one. ;-)
@Brent.Longborough Sorry for only being able to provide a horrible workaround for the DejaVu question.
@egreg LOL... Will he be seeing 'square sunrises' soon?
@Brent.Longborough I'm afraid he won't. He's aged, you know. But the chances he will be kicked out of Parliament are good.
2:57 PM
@Brent.Longborough Titãs has a song called "Vossa Excelência". It sums the general feeling very well. :)
@egreg No, that's fine. It was just for one of my boys' CV. Personally, I'd never think of using DejaVu, any more than you'd think of listening to, say, Stockhausen.
@Brent.Longborough The probability that I consider DejaVu are infinitely greater than me thinking to listening who? At least DejaVu has a rich character set.
3:14 PM
@egreg: Does the command xpatch have a verbose mode where I can see why patchings is failing?
I mean \xpatchcmd
3:31 PM
@egreg: There is a small typo in regexpatch. In the documentation the command checkifpatchable is explained, however the package defines only \checkpatchable (without if).
Q: Free reference manager and PDF organizer for Windows

pAkY88I'm looking for a reliable reference manager and PDF organizer in order to make my research work more efficient and productive. In particular, I would like the software to help me to export references into the Bibtex format, suggest me new papers on a specific topic (or according to the papers) a...

Would appreciate feeling on my comment
@JosephWright seems OK to me (the comment, not the question)
3:51 PM
@egreg Hmm, I hope that's Aleph-0 for DejaVu and Aleph-1 for Stockhausen...
4:17 PM
@MarcoDaniel Thanks
@Brent.Longborough No, it's 0.001 for DejaVu and 0 for who?
@MarcoDaniel You can use \tracingpatches (it uses etoolbox). With regexpatch there's \tracingxpatches that can be turned off with \tracingxpatches[0].
@JosephWright I agree, and just voted to close. But the only reason that showed up was the new one about code/typos. I'm confused.
@AlanMunn I think to get migration paths sorted out we have to ask again: I can migrate anywhere, but 'normal' users cannot. The close-changes seem to have killed the routes we used to have.
@JosephWright But also I thought we were supposed to have a "It's just off topic" and "It's about TeX, but its a typo/package bug/etc." reason to choose from.
@AlanMunn Yes, that's quite true. It seems that the default text only shows up when close reasons don't match, but you can't actively choose it. I suspect that's not the intention: will ask in the mod room.
@AlanMunn Perhaps I should ask on Meta.SO?
@AlanMunn Seems this is deliberate
@AlanMunn So I guess I'll add another custom reason that is just the default one!
4:54 PM
@JosephWright So we get three reasons, each of which we need to specify explicitly and there is no default?
@AlanMunn Erm, I'm not quite sure :-)
Was pointed to
A: What do site moderators need to do to support the new custom question close reasons?

Shog9Introduction Per-site off-topic reasons were created to reduce the amount of confusion and debate surrounding what specifically is on- or off-topic for a given site. Folks asking questions for the first time are often unclear on what is allowed or expected; by explaining common misconceptions in...

@AlanMunn You only get the default if the close reasons don't match between voters
Idea I think is that each close vote should have a reason, either on the pre-defined ones or a free text version
Thus the idea is that the reasons are 'tight'
We also probably need some new migration paths
I note in particular
> At a bare minimum, off-topic reasons should identify a specific topic considered inappropriate.
I'm beginning to think these custom reasons are bringing more pain than gain. :)
@PauloCereda Oh, you are telling me
@JosephWright But then we definitely need to make the default one of the 3 active ones, I think. It might be useful to have something about MathJax?
@JosephWright :)
4:59 PM
@PauloCereda As I've tried to indicate, getting in with the 'vision' is not so easy
@AlanMunn I did think of this, but am not sure how many MathJax questions we actually get
The other thing raised was that most sites have 'do not ask about' in their FAQ, which we don't
I think I'll need to write all of this up properly and ask yet-another meta question (or perhaps a couple: see point about migration)
As @AlanMunn is on the 'next mod' list, perhaps he can help out ;-)
@PauloCereda Making my life 'interesting', at least
@JosephWright Yay! :)
@JosephWright I see you're NSA plus CIA. You know everything about us and you provoke too.
@JosephWright You need to get an Xbox too. :)
@AlanMunn LOL
I suspect the problem is getting the idea: what the Powers want is good explanations to people who have questions closed. We've been good on that, in the main, in comments, so picking up the idea is trickier
@AlanMunn: pardon, you mean MI7. :)
5:04 PM
@PauloCereda People I know mainly have PS3s
@PauloCereda 7 is there a 7? it must be even more secret than the not very secret 5 and 6?
So do I, as I can get 4OD for free on the PS3, but not on the XBox
@JosephWright I do have one as well. :) Either one, buy it. :)
@PauloCereda Traded in Xbox for PS3 last week :-)
My first experience of consoles: is costing more than expected
@JosephWright Oh my! :)
@DavidCarlisle: ^^ Buy one too.
5:06 PM
@PauloCereda MS wanted money to use TV-on-demand apps which are free on PS3. No contest.
@JosephWright Ah yes. :) That's why the end of the line for me is with my faithful Xbox 360. I won't get a One.
@PauloCereda Also my friends at work have PS3s, so the game recommendations are all inclined that way
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I meant MI6, but apparently there is a 7 as well! They say it's defunct, but maybe <ackbar>IT'S A TRAP!</ackbar>. :)
@JosephWright Yay! :)
Which games will you get? :)
@PauloCereda vim, is a good joke app I've seen
@DavidCarlisle Look ma, no arrow keys! :)
5:16 PM
"Look Ma, this man can twist his fingers as if they were made of rubber,
isn't that amazing? -- Not really, he's been using emacs for years...!"
@topskip ooh! :)
6:01 PM
@PauloCereda Then Heiko pops up with \pdfescape ;-)
@egreg That's totally unfair. :)
6:54 PM
Q: Off-topic closure: predefined reasons

Joseph WrightThe new approach to closing questions means that things are changing in the way we handle 'off-topic' questions. I've already asked about the generic text and for some predefined off-topic close reasons. However, I think I at least didn't quite see how this was going to work. So I'd like to ask a...

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but the new close system is taking a little getting used to!
@AlanMunn (in particular) might want to restate what he's already contributed!
@JosephWright What, again? I'm getting too old for this. :)
@AlanMunn Yeah, I know!
@AlanMunn Imagine my view: as a mod, it's important I take an interest here, but I didn't decide to alter how closure works!
@AlanMunn I hope the reason I've asked again makes sense
@JosephWright Yes, I think so. But since we only have 3 active reasons and one should be 'This is not about TeX et al." then we're really down to 2 other reasons, right? (Unless we have good migration paths, in which case "Belongs on another site" might be useful.
7:11 PM
@AlanMunn The point about the 'this is not about TeX et al.' closure reason is that the Powers are suggesting that such a case should be 'custom reason' and more detail. For example, taking something current, 'Implementing the Knuth-Plass algorithm in other software does not require technical knowledge about TeX itself'
@AlanMunn Should I try to explain that in the meta question?
should we make a tree of possible paths for closing reasons? I think that's pretty confusing as it is.
@percusse :-)
@percusse I'm taking an interest precisely because I don't yet get the new system
I'm also not sure it will work!
@JosephWright Should we start a rebellion? @percusse and I can take care of that. :)
@JosephWright I think we are missing the frustration of the SO guys. None of them makes sense to us
@percusse Yes, true. They have 7k questions per day to keep on top of. It's quite clear that most other sites don't quite see the need to change closure in the same way.
7:18 PM
You would be burning with rage to really want to use those options.
@percusse: Joseph is a proud owner of a PS3. :)
@PauloCereda First of all you suck. I've flagged you and also your duck is wrong. There are many things wrong with arara too you should be ashamed of yourself. Read some programming books before you touch the computer !!
hehehehe this is what SO to me.
@percusse Wow. Wow. I'm gonna sit in the dark corner and cry. I'll see you guys in 10 years of heavy therapy. <3
@PauloCereda We really need to get this online gaming in action one day.
@percusse: And look, there's also a French punctuation! You bastard. :)
@percusse I know, it would be awesome. :)
7:20 PM
Let's see the rage of a chemist killing people in CoD. :)
Déformation professionnelle is a French phrase, meaning a tendency to look at things from the point of view of one's own profession rather than from a broader perspective. It is often translated as "professional deformation" or "job conditioning". The implication is that professional training, and its related socialization, often result in a distortion of the way one views the world. As a term in psychology, it was likely coined by the Belgian sociologist Daniel Warnotte or Russian-American sociologist Pitirim Sorokin. Alexis Carrel: "Chaque savant, grâce à une déformation professionnel...
@percusse OMG
@percusse You are asking to get that starred :-)
@PauloCereda Would you like my datatooltk.yaml file for arara?
7:22 PM
@NicolaTalbot ooh yes please. :)
@PauloCereda It's not very exciting :-) but here it is:
identifier: datatooltk
name: DatatoolTk
command: <arara> datatooltk --out "@{out}" @{options}
- identifier: out
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.out}
- identifier: options
  flag: <arara> @{parameters.options}
@JosephWright :-)
@NicolaTalbot Thank you very much. :)
@AlanMunn I've edited into my meta question an example of how I think the 'free form' off-topic option is meant to work
Oh man come one who starred that? ...
7:24 PM
@percusse Guess who. :)
@PauloCereda :-)
@PauloCereda I've added a search function now :-)
@NicolaTalbot ooh! :)
Whoever starred it doesn't know the difference between a password and a padlock...
hehehe SO is really fun.
There is an answer starts with All the other answers are wrong :0)
@percusse Like Camelot, it is a silly place
7:26 PM
@percusse Of course I know! Padlock is that princess girl in the Star War movies, Lea and Luke's mother. :P
@PauloCereda That's not the right Pad. Stop regexping movies
@percusse LOL epic
@JosephWright I can imagine that IT business is equally challenging.
emphasis on the challenging. They have assgined me a career coach and I'm banned from using the word problem. Everything is a challenge now.
@JosephWright Fetchez la vache! :)
@percusse LOL
I said But it's a damn hard problem that we need to solve and got the reply I'm sure you can handle it
And I'm known for my surfer attitude
7:37 PM
I'd be happy to include an emacs section on how to integrate arara with TeX editors. :)
@PauloCereda ???
@MarcoDaniel AucTeX has a lot of commands, doesn't it? We could certainly add an arara wrapper.
@PauloCereda Or avoid emacs.
@MarcoDaniel My thoughts exactly, but we can't be that evil. :)
7:53 PM
Q: Miktex update:latex> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)

user2536125I did an update to my LaTeX packages two days ago (I needed XeLaTeX for beamer, and this is why I did the update), then tried to continue writing my notes using LaTeX (MiKTeX2.9; Texniccenter2.0 Beta 1; SumatraPDF), and here came the surprise latex> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) I've...

Looks like the first case for 'really TL:=> delete'!
8:14 PM
@JosephWright Voted for "irreproducible problem"
@egreg Ah, good idea
8:29 PM
@JosephWright: I tried to alternatethe XeTeX driver to draw a frame with rounded corner in the foreground of the content but I without luck. I get a funny offset for the frame. However, maybe I addressed it the wrong way. Placing the content using \rlap{} first outside the driver code might be the correct way.
@MartinScharrer Yes: the L3 drivers use \rlap
@MartinScharrer Sounds fun!
9:14 PM
@MartinScharrer if in doubt when hacking back end code add rlap, never fails:-)
@DavidCarlisle Thanks ;-) So far it works well!
@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: My mistake was also that I thought to bundle the round clipping and frame together. Actually people might want to draw round frames around unclipped content, too.
9:59 PM
That's it. I can no longer earn more reputation. Perfection has been reached (at least until next year). i.imgur.com/UnMq5UF.png
@SeanAllred Are you really planning to earn 1 rep in one year?
@egreg That's the plan. I hope I can stick to it.
@SeanAllred My plan is to get to 100000 per year. I'm still behind schedule at a mere 86647. :P
@egreg To each his own according to his talents. Although you're going to break 200k sometime soon --- is there a party planned? XD
@PauloCereda Another songs question for you.
10:09 PM
@AlanMunn I'll take a look. :)
@SeanAllred Be around here on July 14, more or less.
@egreg That is frightening growth. You grow a new me every two weeks?
@SeanAllred 8.48 days, on the average. ;-)
@AlanMunn: the answer is quite easy to answer, but I'm in a hurry now. I'll try to answer it later on. :(
@SeanAllred Perhaps we can party on July 13, according to the latest estimation: 11.5 days needed at the current average.
10:18 PM
@egreg What should be done? We should make a <obnoxiously ill-suited program> for it. It's Turing-complete, after all. Make a couple GUI libraries and we're all set.
Should take you what - about an hour? ;-)
I swear, some of the things you pull out of your hat around here!
@SeanAllred Unfortunately my only programming language is TeX.
@egreg You mean you are fortunate enough to know a Turing-complete language capable of everything any other language is. You could probably even rig up an internet browser of sorts (in theory). (Wouldn't that be interesting? Render HTML as TeX, with beamer-like links? That would be crazy.)
@SeanAllred Have you seen this question:
Q: What is the most bizarre thing you have seen done with TeX

XavierI think the questions says it all! :) By TeX, I mean any derivative of TeX as long as the code is clearly a derivative of TeX, i.e. that it could belong on TeX.SX (and not pure Lua for example). I'll give two answers myself so you see what I mean.

@AlanMunn Oh yes. Ooooh yes. I've also stared blankly at the Mars rover implementation in TeX done by some unbeknownst-to-me madman.
One of my favorite questions.
10:53 PM
Meh, I am lost (or blind): looks like "Too localized" is gone as a reason to close...
What's the best way to put text into a fixed size space? (I'm creating name badges).
@AlanMunn adjustbox (and max width option)
@Xavier Neither, but you clearly have been living on another planet. :) We've been having endless discussions on meta about the new close reasons.
@egreg Perfect. Thanks.
@AlanMunn Have been living on "relocation" planet for the last week or two... :)
Though I thought so, as I first search for "Too localized" on meta, but didn't immediately saw the discussion. Is there an explanation somewhere?
11:44 PM
@egreg Again:(
@SeanAllred well there exist html and xml parsers in TeX, and rendering and making links isn't so hard.
@DavidCarlisle This is looking pretty feasible, actually - a fun fall project ;)
I would definitely learn myself some real TeX-as-a-programming-language
@SeanAllred doing basic html isn't so hard (I had a go at html 3, which never was standardised actually, back then with typehtml package) and xmltex is a pretty complete xml parser , hard bit comes when people expect you to do something with a typical web page which is 90% javascript and css and only 10% html markup.
@DavidCarlisle Writing a JS emulator shouldn't be too bad; one just needs to develop on object paradigm for TeX (which I'm sure has been thought through thoroughly). (Edit: geez - say that five times fast!)

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