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12:36 AM
@cgnieder: to the follow button, quick! :) github.com/loopspace
 
 
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3:05 AM
Now that SpanDeX is being discontinued It's time to remove meta Ad campaign ?
 
 
4 hours later…
7:24 AM
@texenthusiast Will do
 
8:00 AM
@mozartstraße I've raised the issue in fp with the CTAN team
 
@JosephWright OK. Thank you very much for this help. :-)
 
8:16 AM
@MarcoDaniel Will take a look at your code in a little while: I have an inbox full of TeX matters, plus some work I also need to do today!
 
@JosephWright Thanks
 
8:40 AM
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A: Text for 'off-topic' closure

Andrew SwannOff topic subreasons currently are: Questions on a problem encountered while writing code must include a Minimal Working Example. For help in doing so, see: I've just been asked to write a minimal working example, what is that? Questions must clearly state a specific problem and include only th...

Looks good to me
Implement?
(@StefanKottwitz, @MartinScharrer Probably will need one of you to 'sign off' on this)
 
9:26 AM
@AlanMunn We can always ask for an election
Really down to 'community feeling'
 
@PauloCereda Oh my! I'm hours late! But still second ;)
 
@texenthusiast I wonder how many of these services are going to make it: that's the second closure I know of
 
10:14 AM
@egreg I've deleted the question. Thanks.
 
@FaheemMitha No problem. Not noticing something that's under one's nose is very common and happens to me all the time; looking at it (or having it looked upon) from a different point of view often helps.
 
10:36 AM
@egreg That's true. My style question (brackets vs quotes) in bibtex is too trivial for a separate question, but do you have a comment about that? In some cases, I see I'm using both (brackets surrounded by quotes).
 
@FaheemMitha They are equivalent; I prefer braces: they're clearer.
 
@egreg Ok, thanks. I suppose using both is redundant.
 
@FaheemMitha I'd say wrong rather than redundant. ;-)
 
@egreg Ok. I'll clean these up then.
 
@FaheemMitha If you mean "quotes for a field and braces for another one", this is fine. It's wrong having "braces and quotes" for one field.
However, different delimiters in one and the same entry seem extravagant. ;-)
 
10:40 AM
@egreg Well, I'm certainly doing the former, but I also had at least one line that looks like
title = "{Identification and utilization of arbitrary correlations in models of recombination signal sequences}",
I'll just switch everything to braces.
 
@FaheemMitha title="{...}" can be used for "freezing" the case in the title, but it's the same as using title={{...}}. I wouldn't use it, leaving the decision about the capitalization to the bib style.
 
@egreg Great. Thanks for the tip.
 
10:53 AM
@egreg: out of curiosity, rep cap? :)
 
!!battle
 
@egreg oh wait. :)
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 200 vs. 25 David. So far, egreg is winning.
Wow.
 
!!/month
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: The current score for this month is:
- egreg
- David Carlisle (-270)
- Gonzalo Medina (-660)
- Heiko Oberdiek (-2352)
- Werner (-3097)
 
@PauloCereda Where did the egreg score go?
 
11:00 AM
@FaheemMitha Ah, the first place doesn't display the score. :) The other places show the distance. :)
 
@PauloCereda I see.
 
@FaheemMitha FYI it's 8055. :)
 
@egreg Yikes.
 
Hello, I'm writing a definition and I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly:
We denote

\begin{itemize}
\item $T$ -- a set of teachers,
\item $C$ -- a set of classes,
\item $L$ -- a set of lessons,
\item $D$ -- a set of days,
\item $P$ -- a set of periods and
\item $R$ -- a set of classrooms.
\end{itemize}
 
@MartyIX I'd probably use the optional argument \item[$T$]
@MartyIX I have a feeling we've been asked about this before
(in general terms)
 
11:05 AM
@JosephWright And would you leave there the dashes (--)?
 
@MartyIX I'm no mathematician: @egreg?
 
@MartyIX No dashes; no blank line before \begin{itemize} and add a "with" or "by" to keep the grammar happy. @JosephWright "with" or "by"?
 
@JosephWright thanks
@egreg thank you!
 
@egreg 'is', surely
@egreg Sentence something like 'using formula <some formula> where T is ....'
 
@JosephWright I meant "we denote by" or "we denote with"
 
11:09 AM
@egreg Would be the other way around: 'we donate the set of teachers as $T$'
(or with or by)
I'm sure this has been asked before!
 
@JosephWright donate? :)
The man who speaks in anagrams!
:)
 
@PauloCereda Oops: 'denote'
 
@DavidCarlisle: You need more engagement ;-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/121817/…
 
@JosephWright I do that a lot. :)
 
We denote by
\begin{itemize}
\item[$T$] a set of teachers,
\item[$C$] a set of classes,
\item[$L$] a set of lessons,
\item[$D$] a set of days,
\item[$P$] a set of periods and
\item[$R$] a set of classrooms.
\end{itemize}
This is the final version
 
11:14 AM
For the first time in almost 7 years of using TeX and friends, I decided to run a spell checker on my documents. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel Already merged. :)
Our bird speaks Russian, apparently. :)
 
@MartyIX I'd leave the bullets, but that's your choice.
 
@MarcoDaniel: Sergey is a fantastic guy. :)
\begin{werewolf}
  \silverbullet ...
\end{werewolf}
 
@egreg ok
 
11:19 AM
@tohecz: woohoo Tom!
:)
 
11:40 AM
@PauloCereda Hi! There's something wrong with my chat, it doesn't refresh automatically
@Paulo How're you?
 
@tohecz Fine, thanks. :) And you?
 
11:57 AM
@Paulo I'm ok, finished one travelling yesterday and continue tonight.
 
 
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1:48 PM
Hi?
 
@GregRos Hi there
Welcome to the chat
 
Thank you :)
I have a question that's too specific for the site itself. Can you help me out?
 
I will try.
 
I made this structured text block by tweaking a table by hand in Word. How would I go about reproducing it in LaTeX? prntscr.com/1crouf
Should I make a float of some sort? A new environment? Something with a table?
 
A table (tabular) would work, but is not required. The footnote would require an outer minipage. If you need this several times then I would make a new environment for it.
I actually had something like this in my final year report, but I don't know where I have the source right now -- it's a while ago.
But this wouldn't be to specific for the main site. Feel free to post it as a question. However, it's a good idea to use the search first. Maybe we have something like this already.
 
1:55 PM
Can I make a tabular where there is a variable number of columns with different widths?
I have used search. But I'm not sure if I searched for the right thing. I'm not sure how to call it, to be honest
 
@GregRos Not really in an automated way.
@GregRos Yes, I was thinking about suitable search words as well.
You could ask it anyway, if there is such a question already then someone will find it.
 
Alright. Thank you :)
 
@GregRos variable number of columns? The table data fixes the number by the number of & you can use tabularx or tabulary to get column widths set automatically based on a specified total table width
 
2:14 PM
Hi, welcome to the... oh wait, I'm late.
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@MartinScharrer That was close. :)
 
@PauloCereda: I'm getting close to finish the round corners feature.
 
@MartinScharrer ooh that sounds cool! :)
 
@PauloCereda It already works. I just do some cleanup and refactoring
.. and testing!
 
2:22 PM
@MartinScharrer nah release it in the wild. :)
 
2:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle: for you: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/121844/… :)
 
3:02 PM
@PauloCereda Only if you take full note of
@cgnieder ^^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle Well played. :P
 
3:15 PM
@PauloCereda but lost ;-)
 
3:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle that's @PauloCereda's fault:
May 19 at 14:40, by Paulo Cereda
For emacs fans, @cgnieder wrote a nice blog post: http://www.mychemistry.eu/2013/05/how-i-fell-in-love-with-emacs/
 
@cgnieder Oh no, I've been spotted!
:)
 
@PauloCereda I've got direct access to Prism and Tempora ;)
 
@cgnieder ooh!
 
@PauloCereda Don't worry, it's "only metadata".
 
@egreg: What's up with this:
 
@Werner I made it CW.
If consensus arises, maybe I can ask the moderators to change its status.
 
@egreg Oh.
 
@egreg After all, you really need the reputation. :)
 
4:05 PM
@AlanMunn Really, what do you think? About the answer, not the rep
 
@AlanMunn I'm sure he's not "all about that".
 
@egreg I think you made it CW for the right reasons, since you effectively turned Clemens' comment into an answer.
 
@tacohoekwater, @topskip, (any other Lua people): is there more to say than I have on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/121728/…?
 
@Werner Are you sure? There's is the battle to consider. :)
 
@AlanMunn on the other hand it was right for @egreg to answer: he discussed the topic with GL on c.t.t.
 
4:08 PM
@AlanMunn True, and at this stage the green ticks are very important.
 
@cgnieder That's what I thought.
 
@cgnieder True. But you got there first. ;-) But to me either way would be fine so if @JosephWright wants to un-CW it, that would be fine with me too.
 
@AlanMunn Should I ask in Meta?
 
may I try something ?
we did have a problem yesterday in the mathoverflow chat
@JosephWright Happy Birthday :)
 
@egreg I don't think that's necessary. It seems this is between you, @cgnieder and the mod who gets to click the appropriate button. Since Clemens seems ok with un-CW it seems reasonable to do so.
 
4:17 PM
is someone here who can delete chat posts for a long time ?
 
@AlanMunn fine with me :)
 
@DominicMichaelis Me :-)
 
@JosephWright may I try to solve that \renewcommand problem ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Which one?
 
@JosephWright Yesterday with \mathbb redefined and we wasn't able to fix it without deleting all those posts
 
4:19 PM
@DominicMichaelis I thought that was sorted
 
How do you mean sorted ?
 
@DominicMichaelis I removed all of the \renewcommand{\mathbb}... posts
 
@DominicMichaelis 'sorted' = 'solved'
 
@JosephWright yeah it is fixed, but I want to know if there is another solution beside having a moderator with you
oh wait i will open another room
 
@DominicMichaelis Don't redefine things without saving them first :-)
 
4:21 PM
@JosephWright I'll let you decide about tex.stackexchange.com/questions/121841/… (un-CW or not).
 
@egreg I'm happy to leave as-is: more of a summary of c.t.t. than anything else
 
@JosephWright OK.
 
@JosephWright I think we should call you Solomon now.
 
@AlanMunn You seem to be high up on the 'next mod' list, so ...
 
@JosephWright I've noticed that both Stefan and Martin seem to be quite busy these days. Do you find yourself with a lot of mod work?
 
4:27 PM
@kan Cool. :) "DoudouLinux also makes it easy for Dad and Mum". Later on, here's a SHA1 checksum, a 160-bit message digest produced by a cryptographic hash function, for you to check it against the ISO image you just downloaded. :)
@AlanMunn Dr. Solomon? Don't forget I'm watching 3rd rock from the sun, so our references might be different. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ok, Yoda, prefer you if.
 
@AlanMunn Oh my, speak that language I don't.
 
@PauloCereda That's some very secure irony.
 
why is \DeclareSymbolFontAlphabet{\mathbb}{AMSb} ig
ignored in chat ?
 
@AlanMunn Better safe than sorry. :)
A toucan on acid.
 
4:31 PM
@PauloCereda A toucan is a crow when you're on acid. :)
 
@AlanMunn ooh! Quoth the raven: nevermore. :)
 
I wonder whether the authors of this project realize that the most likely pronunciation of it in English (given the spelling) is synonymous with a child's word for sh*t.
 
A toucan would be the perfect bird for a TUG-BR logo.
@AlanMunn Uh-oh. :)
 
I think the intended pronunciation is supposed to be as in French (in which case it would be the same as the extinct flightless bird.)
@PauloCereda It would. A bit of a cliché, but still good. Is there a TUG-BR?
 
@AlanMunn Not yet. I was planning to gather some people and found one, but we don't have a contingency plan. :)
 
4:38 PM
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Q: Can I use vim inside texmaker?

Matías Guzmán NaranjoPretty much that. I would like to know if I can use an embedded gvim/vim editor within texmaker.

 
@AlanMunn I can see the mod stats: don't be misled! All three mods are active, and there is no more work now than when I started as a mod (pro tem). So from that point of view we've no need of more mods.
 
No, but you can run both inside emacs.
@JosephWright Ok. That's good. I just haven't seen them around in chat so often lately and wondered if that corresponded to more work for you. I'm not looking to become a moderator, but if there was need for another or you were getting overloaded I would have been happy to help out.
 
cough cough Vote for Alan cough cough
:)
@JosephWright ooh secret stats! :)
 
4:53 PM
@JosephWright I usually don't use formats with LuaTeX...
... so I don't know
(besides the standard LaTeX format that ships with tl2012)
 
@topskip Worth a try :-)
Probably I need Taco
 
@JosephWright I don't follow any TeX development at the moment (too much else to do)
 
@PauloCereda Not that exciting: things like flags addressed, comments left, votes, etc.
@topskip :-)
@topskip I suspect nothing has changed on the Lua-in-the-format business, anyway
 
@JosephWright In other words, Patrick is developing something awesome under the hood. :)
 
@JosephWright I always have the feeling that I lose all my knowledge in a few months that I am out of the typesetting business...
@PauloCereda for my product, yes :) Multi column typesetting with variable column width and parshape within a column (and other nice features like balancing etc.) - but that will be very specific to the publisher
 
5:16 PM
@AlanMunn It's listed in their known issues page :-)
 
5:56 PM
@texenthusiast Recently, I've been using arara. But arara doesn't seem to allow wildcards in the file name. I suppose I could just go with make and a makefile since wildcards are tolerated there. — A.Ellett 4 mins ago
How to use arara to automate Asymptote and pdflatex compilation ? Any Q pointers or any tweaks for ^^ A section in texdoc arara would help
 
 
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7:36 PM
@AlanMunn Somehow I cannot use my chat account. Since I have joined another SE site.
Does somebody see a "logout" button on the chat site? I just see a "leave".
Logged out on the other SE site, logged in to TeX.SE, I appear here with the other site's chat account. Odd.
 
@Stefan That's odd. I've chatted in other rooms on other SE sites without problem in the past, although not recently.
 
@AlanMunn I guess the cause is the newer account of the other site, which is not connected
I just did not make a connection between my job (network engineer SE site) and TeX
that's the result :-o
I only noticed because of the changed gravatar
but now I can make jokes and nobody knows it was me
 
@Stefan Probably need to get accounts merged :-)
 
Seems so, I just don't like pressure :-)
 
@AlanMunn Log ins to chat are 'flat' (I'm a mod everywhere in chat :-)
 
7:50 PM
@Stefan It might be some lingering cookie. Maybe you need to clear them when you leave the room.
 
@NicolaTalbot Yes, I think I've had something odd with that before
 
@NicolaTalbot I used a different rarely used browser with the same result. But I will try with deleting as you suggested.
 
futility closet can be really weird sometimes :)
 
@percusse I guess you did not use align
 
@Stefan You can't log out in the chat rooms: I think you have to sort it by logging out of the main site, deleting cookies and logging back in
 
7:53 PM
@percusse There's a serious river problem ;-)
 
@Stefan It's one of my stock suggestions ;-) random("clear all cookies", "close browser", "power down, count to ten, start back up again", "hit computer with a mallet").
 
@Stefan Quite.
 
@NicolaTalbot and "remove the aux file" :-)
 
@Stefan That too :-)
 
Call to Network & IT Security: "I cannot make SFTP to server xy. Is it a firewall issue, can you free it for me?" - "Did you try deleting the aux file and trying access again?"
 
7:58 PM
The answer is often factorize that prime and try manually...
 
@JosephWright That's why in the odd occasions that we flag a chat post a flood of strange people enter the room. You quickly learn not to flag anything!
@qrrbrbirlbel Did I misunderstand your comment? I'm not sure I understand the one you just made about every state.
 
@AlanMunn Strange people who don't program by macro expansion.
 
:)
 
@Stefan those luatex people:)
 
8:14 PM
Does anyone here used auctex's preview mode with dvipng?
I'm wondering if my auctex is actually using dvipng at all. It does not show up in the output and I don't see it called. Does anyone have an example of compilation where dvipng is used?
 
8:32 PM
@AlanMunn You probably didn’t. Though, I was just guessing about the every state style because it was commented out in the question so I thought, that it didn’t work as intended by the OP. The every state style is not explicitly used like every node, every matrix or every <shape name> node but simply included via state without output in state; so when you overwrite state the styles from every state are lost, too.
 
8:48 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel I see. I've updated my answer to remove reference to your (now deleted) comment. I was astonished to think I might have known something about TikZ that you didn't. :)
@Qrrbrbirlbel It seems that a general double arrow macro/style would be a really useful thing to have. If I ask a question about that, maybe you could answer it...
@PauloCereda Pronto pro jogo?
 
@AlanMunn Who said I know something about TikZ? In this case, I really didn’t know that an every state style existed. (I have never used the automata library. Not that I have used TikZ myself that much anyway …)
 
9:03 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel You're one of 8 people with a gold TikZ badge. I'd say you know a little. And there's this:
Your next highest tag has only 40 answers.
 
@AlanMunn The 2k are a little bit lying though. It’s only 1500. That only means that if I know something it’s about TikZ. ;)
@AlanMunn Yes, a general double arrow style would be really helpful. The major problem would be to use it with irregular shapes (starting with the circle shape) and using the actual border of the shape for another line.
Finally found the other question about it:
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Q: How to build parallel paths between nodes?

knutI want to create a figure with TikZ: I tried first with the following code (remark: Complete MWE on bottom): \begin{tikzpicture} \node [block] (A) at (0,0) {\rule{2cm}{2cm}}; \node [block] (B) at (5,5) {\rule{2cm}{2cm}}; \path [draw,red, line width=3] (A) |-( B); \path [draw,blue, line width...

Stuff like this works best for rectangular nodes. Circles and ellipses …
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel That looks really helpful. I'll play a bit with Marc's solution. I'm not sure I see why circles should be such a problem.
 
@AlanMunn Opa! :)
 
@AlanMunn The bigger the distances between the lines …
\documentclass[tikz,convert=false]{standalone}
\usetikzlibrary{calc}
\tikzset{double -|/.style={to path={%
    ($(\tikztostart)+(0,3pt)$) -| ($(\tikztotarget)+(-3pt,0)$)
    ($(\tikztostart)+(0,-3pt)$) -| ($(\tikztotarget)+(3pt,0)$)
}}}
\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}[nodes={circle,draw}]
 \node (a)          {$a$};
 \node (c) at (2,1) {$c$};
 \draw (a.east) to[double -|] (c.south);
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}
For small distances and big radii this won’t matter much (especially if you lengthen the lines or set the outer sep to zero), but still, not very optimal …
 
9:20 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Ok, now I see.
 
For same-radius circles you could use the angular anchors directly (or hide this in a to path of course). Or something with intersections:
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Q: Connecting to a node towards a point other than the center

amcnabbI'm trying to connect an edge to a node with the target point being off-center. I would like the edge to end with an arrow at the border of the node without going into the box. It is easy to connect an edge to a side of a node: \begin{tikzpicture} \node (x) [draw,minimum size=1 cm] at (0,0) {x}...

 
@Qrrbrbirlbel That's also nice.
 
9:38 PM
@AlanMunn: I believe Galvão Bueno is a familiar name for you. :)
 
9:51 PM
@egreg I just listen the advice here. You fight while I fetch some popcorn...
+1 you should always use \selectfont after changing \baselinestretch (or \fontseries etc) as these internal parameters don't have an immediate effect they are just pending changes until the next font selection. Triggering font selection inside tikz code probably ought to be safe but clearly has an effect on these arrows. — David Carlisle Mar 30 at 13:25
Select * FROM exploding AND delicious ....
 
@PauloCereda Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.
@percusse I like this one:
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Q: Lettrine and Wrapfig

ADPHow can I use lettrine at the start of a paragraph used in the wrapfigure environment. Consider the following code: \documentclass{article} \RequirePackage[demo]{graphicx} \usepackage{lettrine} \usepackage{wrapfig} \newcounter{cnt}\setcounter{cnt}{0} \def\t{\stepcounter{cnt}\thecnt. cat sat on...

 
@AlanMunn Hahah. by the way change of plans, I'm licking a dynamite-bar. I hope one day my fridge would run SQL queries as such.
 
@percusse Yes, but \ttfamily does \selectfont by itself
> texdef -t latex ttfamily

\ttfamily:
macro:->\protect \ttfamily

\ttfamily :
\long macro:->\not@math@alphabet \ttfamily \mathtt \fontfamily \ttdefault \selectfont
 
@egreg bah, no fight then? again spanked by wizards.
 
@AlanMunn You like the Q or the A ?
 
10:01 PM
@PauloCereda Are you in front of the TV?
 
Everyone cheer for Spain!
 
Goal!
 
Viva la revolucion!
the very end of this
good night all!
 
@egreg I'm too scared. :)
@Alan: Galvão almost had a heart attack. :)
@DavidCarlisle Hey!
 
@DavidCarlisle I like the A in light of @egreg 's pessimistic comment. ;-)
@PauloCereda Damn. I already missed the first goal. I thought soccer was supposed to be slow.
 
10:09 PM
@AlanMunn That's baseball.
 
@egreg or cricket:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Is it?
!!/cricket
Psmith is watching the game
 
@egreg Given the quality of the stream I'm watching I may miss the next goal even though I'm watching.
 
@AlanMunn Our national TV company is broadcasting it in HD
 
@egreg Here it's on ESPN and I don't have cable.
 
10:44 PM
Goal!
 
@egreg As predicted, I missed this one too.
 
@egreg I'm impressed by Neymar's intelligence on the offside line. He went back and forth. :)
Live with Galvão. :P
 
@PauloCereda And what about Oscar?
The pass was delicious
 
@egreg Ah yes, he had the perfect timing! :) One of my favourite players of this generation so far. :)
 
@PauloCereda Except when he scores in certain games. ;-)
 
10:48 PM
@egreg Oopsie. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'll see if that's a better stream. (I'm watching BBC via HQSPORTZ.com)
 
@AlanMunn "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaja coração, amigooooooooooo!" :)
 
@PauloCereda No such luck: Não nessa região.
 
@AlanMunn Uh-oh.
 
So apparently the slogan tonight is "No one expects the Spanish in possession." :)
2
 
11:04 PM
@AlanMunn LOL
Goal. :)
@Alan: we scored again. :)
 
@PauloCereda Very nice. I managed to see this one.
 
Missing penalties... :P
 
@PauloCereda Who's doing that?
 
@egreg Sergio Ramos missed a penalty! :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, I saw. Brazilians never miss them.
 
11:15 PM
@egreg LOL we sure do. We sure do. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh, sorry, I mistyped "miss" for "score".
 
@egreg: a penalty by a Brazilian follows the rule: either we score, either we kick the ball a mile away. :)
@egreg: David is quiet, maybe he's secretly wearing a red uniform and cheering for Spain while watching the game? That can't be, David is a Chelsea fan, he wouldn't wear red. :)
 
@PauloCereda He's probably building the Maracaná with his Lego
 
@egreg Trivia: the name maracanã is a tupian word that means "like a rattle". There were a lot of birds in that region (from the species maracanã-guaçu) and they made a lot of noise. :)
Piqué is going home earlier today.
 
@PauloCereda The red card due in the first half arrived later.
 
11:29 PM
@egreg Indeed.
@Alan: do you know an expression called "bagre ensaboado"? :)
 
@PauloCereda Nope. And neither does Cristina.
 
@AlanMunn Really? Dicionário informal helps me here: "Adjetivo masc. Pessoa dotada de agilidades para se esquivar de problemas e sair impune de situações comprometedoras. No futebol, diz-se do atacante veloz."
 
11:45 PM
@PauloCereda Brazil even has a goalie!
 
@egreg Not even close to Buffon, though. :)
 
A very authoritative win.
 
@PauloCereda Good game (for Brazil). Good night.
 
@egreg Good night.
 
@egreg Buonanotte! :)
 

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