The Bridge

ManishEarth

12:00 PM

@kalina You don't respond to these, if you join the fight that's not good for you either

kalina

@ManishEarth I have a right to defend myself

I do not exhibit the same level of malevolence in my posts

ManishEarth

@kalina Sure. But there's a chance the resultant discussion will get icky. If it does, you could get punished too. Even if he was worse than you

Sconibulus

what started this?

kalina

If I get punished for defending myself, I will stamp my feet and shout loudly until people take notice

@Sconibulus he did, weeks ago, and keeps restarting it whenever we're both active in the channel at the same time with no mods around

and he has a habit of deleting his insults moments after posting them so they can't get flagged

Sconibulus

@kalina Ahh, ok, I was looking in-channel for context and couldn't find any :)

kalina

12:03 PM

@Sconibulus he's racked up a number of bans for his actions

ManishEarth

@Sconibulus A week ago there was men-vs-women fight involving Chris and kalina. Dunno how many times it's repeated afterwards. Happened again today.

kalina

@ManishEarth actually, today I didn't take part, I just commented that it was unfair

ManishEarth

@kalina I know, I saw :)

kalina

@fredley responded to him today

ManishEarth

And that's OK

kalina

12:03 PM

and told him how wrong he is, while demonstrating he (Chris) doesn't understand anything about the subject he's talking about

FEichinger

Let's just drop it and see again in three hours.

badp

Let's just drop it period

ManishEarth

@kalina Joking assaults are OK -- for example you may insult @fredley all you want because I'll know it's in good humor. So is offensive language if the room regulars are fine with it. Fighting is also not immediately punishable, but if it gets dirty then we try and remove it on both sides. It's OK to defend yourself, but don't get aggressive. That's all.

@badp Yep :)

Private Pansy

Let's talk about something else instead. Like the fact that I'm still alive.

badp

@PrivatePansy grats! Still having haze problems?

Tim Stone

12:06 PM

\o/

kalina

@PrivatePansy is there any reason why you wouldn't still be alive?

Private Pansy

Which is always a cause for celebration, right, eh, guys?

badp

@PrivatePansy it is for the next two years

Private Pansy

@badp No, it's gotten better

Journeyman Geek

>_>

@PrivatePansy: have they let you loose on singapore's roads yet? ;p

Private Pansy

12:07 PM

@JourneymanGeek No, but public road driving is scheduled for next Friday I think

Grumpy Lazers

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Q: How does the Commando / Axton's Phalanx Shield work?

Phalanx Shield is a tier 3 skill in Axton / the Commando's Survival skill tree. It is described as: Your Sabre Turret projects a Protective Shield. The Shield attempts to block enemy ranged attacks, but lets friendly ranged attacks pass through. Enemy movement and melee attacks are not affect...

borderlands-2

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Q: How do the dice loot chests work?

In the 'Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep' DLC, dice chests have been introduced: I reckon the result of the dice roll decides the rarity of the loot the chest contains. How does it work? Which numbers dictate which loot rarity a chest contains?

borderlands-2

Private Pansy

No wait, Thursday

Journeyman Geek

@badp: haze went from ok, to OH MY GOD APOCALYPSE to "nearly normal"

Private Pansy

Which is funny, because I think I'm a terrible driver

Journeyman Geek

the malaysians are getting the worst of it now

Private Pansy

12:08 PM

@JourneymanGeek AQI 750+, ha

Journeyman Geek

@PrivatePansy: eh, trust me, I've probably seen worse

Private Pansy

You know, the index has a ceiling of 500

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: General Chat Room for Arqade.com. The main quarters of Arqade's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, now with early warning for our Singaporean friends due to truck-related hazards on the streets starting next Friday [arq] [-fun] [-games] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [mod-abuse] [unpulchritudinousity]*

Journeyman Geek

(tho the best driver I've ever seen was military, tho he was in and out of DB for years)

lol

Private Pansy

@badp We're driving land rovers, not trucks yet

badp

12:09 PM

close enough

Journeyman Geek

with good reason

land rovers can be fixed no matter what

Blem

@badp Friday is in the topic but not a link to this

Private Pansy

The land rovers are ancient pieces of crap which the army itself doesn't use for anything other than training purposes

badp

@Blem gotta get down under trucks on Friday?

Journeyman Geek

I've seen a landrover get its front end totalled by a unrequited love affair with a tree, come back, get its rear totalled by falling into a drain... and that damned monster came back as good as new.

@PrivatePansy: They're like 30 years old or something at this point I think ;p

kalina

12:11 PM

OH GOD MORE MODERATORS

SOON WE'LL HAVE ONE MOD FOR EVERY TWO PEOPLE

badp

MOD ALL THE PEOPLE but kalina

kalina

yes

I should never be moderated

because I'm always completely innocent, and correct

FEichinger

No, I think @badp is just keeping you for himself. :P

badp

by MOD I mean "give mod"

kalina

badp is keeping me for himself? purr

Private Pansy

12:13 PM

@JourneymanGeek That makes it older than almost all of the people who will be driving them

kalina

@badp I would be a terrible mod, so yes

badp

@kalina I expected something more like "ewww"

Martin Sojka

@kalina I'll be in my bunk.

Journeyman Geek

lol

FEichinger

@badp As did I ... She's doing that on purpose just to fool us, I bet.

kalina

12:13 PM

@badp cats always purr just before they unleash the claws and rip off your face

FEichinger

@kalina Or ... that. Yeh.

Tim Stone

@badp Well, they already gave me a diamond. Clearly they've started down a slippery slope.

badp

@kalina I've got glasses. My eyes are safe.

kalina

@badp YOUR ENTIRE FACE

seriously though, if I were a room owner, I'd clean up the star list right now

there is so much rebecca black in that star list

Private Pansy

@TimStone Oh dear god

By the third trimester, there will be hundreds of babies inside you.

By the end of the month this entire site will be moderators

FEichinger

12:15 PM

@kalina I only see one instance of that. ... Well, that is already too much, but hey.

kalina

@FEichinger erm, look again

I see four

FEichinger

@kalina I only see this one :P

kalina

and the forth one just got pushed off the bottom of the list

FEichinger

I don't see Rebecca Black in any of those messages, no. :P

kalina

@FEichinger the link! DAMMIT!

FEichinger

12:17 PM

@kalina You didn't specify that! DAMMIT!

kalina

@FEichinger DAMMIT!

FEichinger

@kalina DAMMIT INDEED!

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy Exactly. It's a scary thought.

kalina

@fredley I want to take this opportunity to declare myself victorious

badp

→ 6 messages moved to The Android Hell: This Is The Part Where All The Robots Scream At You.

kalina

12:18 PM

Tonight, I am going to watch every episode of Firefly and then Serenity, while playing EVE Online

it will be lots of fun

Sconibulus

That's what, 11 hours?

kalina

No power in the 'verse can stop me.

FEichinger

@kalina That's ... actually a great idea.

Private Pansy

@FEichinger I think it would be a better idea to leave out the last clause

FEichinger

Except for the part where you're watching Serenity.

kalina

12:21 PM

YOU NO LIKE SERENITY?

FEichinger

@PrivatePansy Nah, that's fine. I'd rather leave out Serenity.

@kalina I don't like it, no.

kalina

I'm a leaf on the wind... watch how I warp drive: active

Sconibulus

I like Serenity I quite a lot, not so fond of Serenity II

tombull89

This evening: Sleep. This weekend: Just Cause 2 Multiplayer beta.

kalina

@Sconibulus ...?

FEichinger

12:22 PM

@kalina It has its moments, but overall it just feels ... odd.

Private Pansy

@FEichinger It's doesn't feel like Firefly, somehow

Nathan C

@kalina Internet spaceships are serious business

Private Pansy

It is quite good on it's own, though

kalina

@NathanC I have a fleet of internet spaceships

FEichinger

@PrivatePansy Yeh, pretty much. To me it's that it tries too hard at explaining things.

Sconibulus

12:23 PM

@kalina The first Serenity (The Pilot) was an amazing episode

Private Pansy

I would not watch it back to back with the rest of the series

FEichinger

@PrivatePansy Yep, same here.

kalina

@Sconibulus right, now you're making more sense

Private Pansy

Oh, and the army is fucked up. I need to get that out of my system

Nathan C

dat multiboxing

kalina

12:25 PM

@PrivatePansy play EVE online

Nathan C

Are you...are you mining in high-sec?

Private Pansy

@kalina I would like to have a life, thank you very much

kalina

@NathanC while watching TV on one of my other monitors!

FEichinger

@kalina Why anyone would do that for fun is beyond me.

Nathan C

My attention span is too small for that ga- ooh shiny

kalina

12:25 PM

@FEichinger the TV is the fun part

when I'm not watching tv or movies, I shoot people

Blem

@kalina do you use software for multiboxing?

kalina

because having 6 ships all shoot the same target basically feels like cheating

@Blem yes

FEichinger

@kalina Right ... no.

Private Pansy

The Supply and Transport Center completely fails at transporting us future "Transport Operators"

Blem

@kalina what?

StrixVaria

12:26 PM

@Sterno @SaintWacko Pro tip. If you get the "insensitivity to pain" trait, it doesn't mean you're invincible. It just means you can't see your health.

kalina

@Blem yes

Blem

@kalina :D What software :D

kalina

oh, you meant which

IsBoxer

Nathan C

@kalina I've heard of someone who multiboxed like 6 Rokhs in low-sec and had it rigged so they'd all fire at the same time.

kalina

well, Inner Space

FEichinger

12:27 PM

@StrixVaria That sounds awesome.

Sterno

@StrixVaria That explains why I still died in a fire.

kalina

@NathanC yep, mine do that

Nathan C

It was hilarious seeing just about anything instantly explode

StrixVaria

@FEichinger Get Rogue Legacy. It's amazing.

kalina

lots of things instantly explode

6 oracles each doing 6k damage per volley on the same target

Sterno

12:28 PM

#@#$0*$!

FEichinger

@StrixVaria Hmmmm ...

Sterno

I always forget to use the architect.

Blem

@kalina I looked at that when i multi boxed in wow, but went with a free software

kalina

36k damage per cycle is nice

Nathan C

@kalina Go big or go home ...titans!

StrixVaria

12:28 PM

@Sterno What does the architect do?

kalina

@NathanC yeah, I don't fancy flying ships that are worth £1k in real life

Sterno

@StrixVaria Locks the dungeon to what it was on your previous run. But you only earn 70% gold

Private Pansy

I would be laughing at the amount of irony in that statement had I not being one of those affected by the incredibly fucked up logistics

Sterno

Good if you have a fairy chest you want to try for again. or a boss

StrixVaria

@Sterno Oh locks the dungeon.

Sterno

12:29 PM

yeah

StrixVaria

When he said castle I thought he meant the upgrade tree thing.

kalina

@Blem IS is nice for EVE

I don't play WoW anymore

StrixVaria

That is actually pretty awesome.

Nathan C

@kalina Especially when it's a flying coffin.

Sterno

chests you opened don't respawn, but your map stays populated, and any teleporters you found can be used

kalina

12:30 PM

I want to upgrade from flying BCs and get some battleships

Sterno

I keep finding fairy chest rooms, failing, saying "Oh, I'll get that next run" and then I stupidly run into the dungeon before talking to the architect to lock it down

kalina

oracles have so little EHP that if I ever get caught I lose a ship

StrixVaria

@Sterno Oh, and you can do it after your run?

Blem

@kalina I had 7 free days of wow the last week, played about 3h in total, flew around to get the midsummer event achievement and my violet dragon, was very boring but saw a movie while doing it

kalina

even my barges have more EHP than my oracles

StrixVaria

12:30 PM

This will be very helpful for me going forward.

kalina

@Blem I reactivated for a month, did all the new raid instances, quit again

Sterno

@StrixVaria You have to do it after your run. The architect is outside the dungeon

kalina

at first I played for most of the first week, by the third week I was logging in for a few hours a week

figured I'm completely done with WoW

Sterno

Basically, on your next run before you go in, you talk to him

Blem

I might be back for next expansion

Nathan C

12:31 PM

Yeah, I've reactivated more than once but I just don't have enough time to play...

Blem

but for now i am also done

Nathan C

At least, for paying $15/month

kalina

I will probably have a look at the next expansion

Nathan C

I play rift on occasion now that it's F2P

kalina

I basically got realm first level 90 priest and then quit

I have Rift installed, just seems to be a poor wow clone

cba with it

I have the secret world installed too

I thought that was pretty good until I finished the main story line a week after getting it

haven't played that since

tried SWTOR now that's free to play

cba with that either, just another WoW clone

Private Pansy

12:33 PM

@kalina Aren't all MMORPGs just WoW clones when you come down to it?

kalina

@PrivatePansy no

Private Pansy

WoW has the "formula" perfected, in a sense

kalina

many MMOs try to emulate it due to WoW having the formula

but the reason WoW is so popular is not completely because of the formula

it's because of the 8 years or so of heritage and all of the content that brings

TSW isn't a WoW clone

and would have been a good game, it just lacked depth

Blem

@kalina na, SWTOR is not a WoW clone, it is a single player game on a mmo server

kalina

EVE isn't a WoW clone

FEichinger

12:34 PM

@Blem This, very much.

kalina

@Blem there is definitely an element of this

TSW had a bit of that as well

StrixVaria

@Sterno Does the first boss give me all this gold every time I beat him. That's nuts.

Sterno

@StrixVaria I don't think you can kill him more than once

StrixVaria

@Sterno Oh...

Sterno

I got to what I think was him again in another dungeon, and the door was shut

Nathan C

12:35 PM

EVE is its own little monster

Martin Sojka

@PrivatePansy Starting from the fact that quite a few of them can't be clones because they predate WoW ... just, no. :) See for example "A Tale in the Desert", which doesn't even have a combat system.

StrixVaria

I was thinking that you'd have to kill all 4 bosses on one run.

I guess that's not the case.

kalina

EVE is unique in the world of MMOs

Nathan C

Its learning ~~cliff~~ curve is enough to make it a niche

Blem

EVE had to many small bars for me to fill, couldn't take it, MUST FILL ALL THE BARS!

kalina

12:35 PM

the learning curve is being slowly smoothed out

they're steadily making it easier to get into

Nathan C

Old but relevant:

kalina

the thing is, the learning curve isn't so much "you need to learn"

quite a lot of it is "you need to wait 3-6 months so your character can learn"

Nathan C

I know a major part is the "what do I do now?"

since it can be anything

Blem

do they have some free reactivation thing for EVE so i can get some play time again with out paying?

kalina

well, nearly anything

@Blem I doubt it

Nathan C

12:37 PM

Missions get incredibly boring, and mining even more so. PVP ...it depends.

kalina

EVE really does lack of a PvE part of the game

missions are basically the same 10 missions over and over again

Blem

they gave 30 day free playtime as a trial

kalina

when I say 10, I mean 3, with 10 contexts

Martin Sojka

Not every MMO needs a PvE part.

Nathan C

When I used to play in 0.0 usually we'd either be the blob or be blobbed. Small gang of 5 versus 100 doesn't seem to end well.

=P

kalina

12:38 PM

I mine because I build ships

I make nearly 2 bil isk a month by mining while watching TV shows and using the materials to build ships

Nathan C

Which isn't enough to run your 6 accounts. :P

kalina

no it's enough to run 4

however one of those accounts was a power of two special offer

so I don't pay for that for 5 more months

Sterno

@StrixVaria I keep ending every run about 20 gold short of actually buying anything.

StrixVaria

@Sterno I didn't realize buying upgrades increased the price of all upgrades, so I am not specialized at all.

kalina

and 2 months ago it was 1 bil per month, so I'm getting there

few more months and I won't be paying CCP anything

Private Pansy

12:41 PM

@kalina Won't be paying them anything except your weekends and free time

kalina

@PrivatePansy I still think you're missing the "watching tv shows" part

it really takes no effort to mine while watching tv

Private Pansy

My Flying Spaghetti Monster Bible has not arrived yet. This is rather annoying

Sconibulus

@NathanC Huh... I saw that exact image a while ago with different games... I think the cliff was Dwarf Fortress

kalina

@Sconibulus second genesis predates DF

I imagine somebody reused the picture

Private Pansy

I believe that's the original, yes

Sconibulus

12:44 PM

@kalina oh wow... I did not realize DF was so new

Private Pansy

DF players co-opted the image

Sconibulus

I figured it was a turn of the century game

kalina

@Sconibulus I don't think you realise how old EVE is

Nathan C

2002

Well, ish.

Sconibulus

just checked wikipedia, DF is at least 7 years newer than I thought

kalina

12:45 PM

think 2002 was beta, since 2013 is the celebration of its 10th year of retail

maybe 2013 is the celebration of completing 10 years

hmm

Blem

I had friends playing it around 2002/2003

Sconibulus

So... Rogue Legacy players, if I enjoyed Rogue as a child, and Nethack now, how likely am I to want this game?

kalina

yeah one of the main reasons I'm still playing is one of my friends has been playing it that long and donated me a several year old account with lots of skill points

Grumpy Lazers

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Q: How do the Shadow of the Seraphs relic and the Assassin / Zero's 'Two Fang' skill work with "burst fire" weapons and each other?

Both the Shadow of the Seraphs relic (introduced in the 'Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep' DLC) and the Assassin / Zer0's Tw0 Fang skill have the following effect: "Every time you fire a gun you have a chance to fire twice". What if I use either with a gun that has a burst fire effect? For exa...

borderlands-2

kalina

made me realise the learning curve was actually the characters learning curve rather than my own and that the game is actually just boring until you have the skills to do things

Private Pansy

12:47 PM

Let's see what happened in the week I was gone...

Windows 8.1, interesting

StrixVaria

Rogue Legacy made me late for work.

:(

That's how you know it's a good game, at least.

kalina

@PrivatePansy had not realised this was released

Sterno

@StrixVaria I'm not either. Pretty much I just buy whatever I can afford, with priority on blacksmith/enchantress/class unlocks first