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TildalWave
TildalWave
00:05
@duzzy Nice! Will it be webcast too?
duzzy
duzzy
I'm not sure. I'll take a look.
kim holder
kim holder
@TildalWave man, i keep missing this...
TildalWave
TildalWave
good :)
duzzy
duzzy
@TildalWave It will not be webcast.
geoffc
geoffc
00:32
If you wrote a Learning system, and had a field in enrollment for a course being available or not. And your UI says Available: Yes/No radio buttons.
What underlying value would you probably store in the DB?
I tried false, 0, no already trying to make it unavailable.
Am I forgetting an obvious no equivalent
David Freitag
David Freitag
@TildalWave Dang I missed it :/
So I got all the ingredients to make a crockpot roast. Meat, carrots, potatoes, garlic, celery, etc.. If I prepare it all tonight can I refrigerate it until tomorrow morning?
I want to let it cook for 6-8 hours
TildalWave
TildalWave
6-8 hours? Isn't that a bit excessive? It'll fall apart
you can leave it in the fridge in a "marinade" of everything it'll cook in, sure
duzzy
duzzy
@geoffc nein
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave I am making 3 crock pots of meat/potatoes/beans on Friday, gonna let it run 26 hours./
David Freitag
David Freitag
@TildalWave foodnetwork.com/recipes/food-network-kitchens/…
geoffc
geoffc
00:42
@duzzy Good one! That would be very likely in SAP!
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
you guys using solar cookers? :)
geoffc
geoffc
@BrianLynch Which work really well at night!
David Freitag
David Freitag
Huehuehue
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
moonlight... fresnel lens...
TildalWave
TildalWave
@DavidFreitag gotcha, it's not something I use
David Freitag
David Freitag
00:45
@BrianLynch You'd be better off with one of those rechargeable crank flashlights
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
lol or just rubbing it with your hands
David Freitag
David Freitag
@TildalWave I no cook good, me learn
geoffc
geoffc
@duzzy FALSE did not work either.
TildalWave
TildalWave
@DavidFreitag well if the recipe says 8 hours then use that
geoffc
geoffc
N? Maybe Y/N? HOw stupid a DB could they be?
David Freitag
David Freitag
00:46
@TildalWave I just need to know whether it's a good idea to let everything sit all prepared in the fridge overnight. I'll probably just try to get up a little earlier than normal...
TildalWave
TildalWave
@geoffc -1?
duzzy
duzzy
@geoffc NA?
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave Not bad... Will try that after N.
duzzy
duzzy
What if they just leave it blank for no?
null?
TildalWave
TildalWave
what do you use for "didn't answer" then?
duzzy
duzzy
00:48
@TildalWave "no"
I dunno. :P
geoffc
geoffc
Null is always hard in SOAP. xsi:null usually.
TildalWave
TildalWave
@duzzy so, statistically speaking, and by your logic, any person that didn't attend managed to answer 40% of the questions correctly? :)
duzzy
duzzy
Sounds good to me.
geoffc
geoffc
Ok, I am calling this unpossible.
duzzy
duzzy
I didn't attend, and 40 is better than 0.
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
00:51
is this some exam question you are trying to answer or something?
TildalWave
TildalWave
undefined
geoffc
geoffc
@BrianLynch Writing a SOAP integration to Blackboard LMS via IMS Global's LIS 2.0 Final spec. Which is the crappiest spec I have ever worked with.
David Freitag
David Freitag
@geoffc Oh dear, you poor, poor person...
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
gotcha, you are trying to find an appropriate default value?
geoffc
geoffc
With no access to the underlying DB. It is hosted BB. So I have no clue what the DB is storing under the covers. SOAP never defines what goes in each field, just the fields.
TildalWave
TildalWave
00:54
can't you query it?
geoffc
geoffc
Oh, did I mention that because the Read functionality in the LIS 2.0 spec is optional, NO ONE implemented it.
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
so you have to reverse engineer it by trying different options and seeing if it accepts them?
geoffc
geoffc
So no queries. Which is literally madness.
TildalWave
TildalWave
tried SQL inject vulnerability already?
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
what about NaN
geoffc
geoffc
00:54
@BrianLynch Yep. Tried false, FALSE, 0, -1, N.
@TildalWave Haha,
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
and by "underlying" do you mean the default setting?
geoffc
geoffc
@BrianLynch That seems very inlikely. The UI shows Available, radio buttons Yes/No. Defaults to Yes if unspecified.
I mean, what value do I need to send in, to register in the DB a value, so that the UI would show No.
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
I don't really do programming, I just know how to code lol
and I guess you don't care about "yes" because it is default anyway?
David Freitag
David Freitag
@BrianLynch "I don't like to be drunk, I just like drinking"
geoffc
geoffc
No worries. I am almost complete, this one feature came up yesterday with go live in a week.
@BrianLynch True. But I assume that once I find out what the proper No value is, yes will be obvious. :)
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
00:56
ah gotcha
geoffc
geoffc
And the BB folk ain't talking.
What is nice, is this is a marketable integration. :) We have one for Workday that we sell.
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
did you try n?
or just N?
duzzy
duzzy
narp?
geoffc
geoffc
Did not try n.
Does that seem very likely to you?
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
I would have assumed it is enumerated or something
TildalWave
TildalWave
00:59
@geoffc did you check what values the input assigns?
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave What do you mean?
TildalWave
TildalWave
it uses web forms, right?
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave Some web UI, true.
TildalWave
TildalWave
F12, see what values are for the radio buttons or whatever the form uses to select yes or no
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
aren't radio buttons generally allowed to have multiple choices?
David Freitag
David Freitag
01:01
@TildalWave It's possible the SOAP data isn't even directly linked to the radio buttons though
Brian Lynch
Brian Lynch
as in maybe you need to specify more than just a single value somehow?
geoffc
geoffc
@DavidFreitag Very true. Totally different implementations, through a specific filter API. But that is closer.
TildalWave
TildalWave
sure, it can be different
David Freitag
David Freitag
@geoffc If you're using chrome you can set breakpoints and monitor the values as they come in
TildalWave
TildalWave
of firefox ... and probably all the major browsers have dev tools by now, no?
If that Keck lecture kiss.caltech.edu/new_website/lectures/Blincow_Lecture_2016.html has a live feed, I can't find it (nothing on their YouTube channel youtube.com/user/KISSCaltech)
geoffc
geoffc
01:08
Tried false and it did not work. First try.
@DavidFreitag Found it in the Debugger, looking at it, thanks, not a bad idea to look at.
true/false
TildalWave
TildalWave
how are you trying these values?
David Freitag
David Freitag
@geoffc I will also recommend PostMan: chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/postman/…
(for chrome)
getpostman.com/docs/soap_requests
TildalWave
TildalWave
isn't there a "repost with edited request" option in Chrome?
I think there is
FF has "edit and resend"
David Freitag
David Freitag
@TildalWave ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TildalWave
TildalWave
heh cute
David Freitag
David Freitag
01:21
@TildalWave (•◡•)
 
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David Freitag
David Freitag
02:51
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geoffc
geoffc
04:23
Marcmac 303 on the West Coast got JRTI painted on the deck! No mind transfer. It is official.
 
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TildalWave
TildalWave
11:00
@DavidFreitag grats, you win the daily nurd award! :D
 
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geoffc
geoffc
14:32
@TildalWave I think I can edit this question, to be a much better question. space.stackexchange.com/questions/13518/…
But it will require a total re-write. Should I?
PearsonArtPhoto
PearsonArtPhoto
14:48
@Hohmannfan LOL, sorry, can't help you there... Limited access...
David Freitag
David Freitag
15:35
@TildalWave That.... That means a lot coming from you.
geoffc
geoffc
16:00
@TildalWave Possible CRS-2 winner annoucement, today, 4PM EST NASA TV
Big announcement 4pm today at @NASA_Johnson on future commercial cargo launches to @space_station - watch live at http://www.nasa.gov/nasatv
Tweeted by SethStatler on January 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM
Feeds
Feeds
16:13
kim holder has added an event to this room's schedule.
kim holder
kim holder
shoot, got the time wrong, hang on...
Feeds
Feeds
kim holder has removed an event from this room's schedule.
kim holder has added an event to this room's schedule.
kim holder
kim holder
^ Announcement on future of commercial resupply launches to the International Space Station, 4pm EST, 1 pm PST. More info: nasa.gov/press-release/…, webcast on NASA TV nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv
took me a while to find where i could add that. gotta scroll all the way down to the bottom, which takes a while because somebody is especially thorough about adding lots of events that go well into the future
:D
TildalWave
TildalWave
16:47
@geoffc would it still match the answer it got?
@DavidFreitag did you remember to turn your crock-pot on? not a euphemism!! ;D
@geoffc cool, will schedule
David Freitag
David Freitag
@TildalWave Yeah I did. When I took it out of the fridge the gravy was congealed to the consistency of gelatin.
kim holder
kim holder
@TildalWave already done
@DavidFreitag gravy-pops for everybody :D
TildalWave
TildalWave
@kimholder OMG! Nice
I just have to add it to the community bulletin then
done, thanks @kim
David Freitag
David Freitag
It's surprising how difficult it is to maneuver 2kg of meat slathered in oil when you don't have a pair of tongs.
TildalWave
TildalWave
oh yes be careful with that
if you have two ice picks you could use that
(those that look like forks)
kim holder
kim holder
17:11
which suggests you could also just use forks...
ya know, if i had a degree in electrical engineering, i think i'd make me my own sous vide setup. yummmm
 
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TildalWave
TildalWave
18:41
@geoffc Did you see the discussion over US still using Soyuz after commercial crew?
spacepolicyonline.com/news/…
TL;DR is both astronauts and cosmonauts will ride on all crew launches to the ISS
James Thorpe
James Thorpe
Hey all - seen a couple of things on twitter about SpaceX possibly firing the landed F9 stage later today, is there any/can we expect any firm information anywhere?
TildalWave
TildalWave
hey @JamesThorpe
@JamesThorpe Elon Musk's Twitter account?
kim holder
kim holder
@JamesThorpe the reddit spacex thread has a reference to that, quoting Chris Bergen of SpaceFlightNow
sorry, heh, Chris Bergen of NASASpaceFlight
TildalWave
TildalWave
ah yes there are the usual SpaceX stalkers loitering on the NSF Forum and might do all kinds of crazy stunts to get info a bit sooner :)
@kimholder I didn't even notice it, I just auto-corrected it as I read it LOL
kim holder
kim holder
ChrisB tweet: 'Falcon 9 OG2 S1 on SLC-40's pad: Looking to fire up mid-afternoon (Note: T-0s for Static Fires tend to be only "when they are ready")'
geoffc
geoffc
18:53
@JamesThorpe Afternoon is official time window. No more accurate than that.
TildalWave
TildalWave
BTW I meant "stalkers", "loitering" and "crazy stunts" with all of my approval and praise :D
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave Yes, that is not surprising. And actually a reaonable point. If crew are killed, and a vehicle is lost, and there are three crew and three seats left, they are taking them. A Soyuz landing without a custom seat liner is going to hurt a lot, but should not be fatal.
Lots of amusing discussion around whether the LC-40 TEL is in use. Answer - Yes, because the launch hold down clamps are attached to the base of the TEL, but the upper arm of th eTEL grasps the second stage, which is not there on Orb-2 first stage. The TEL is just fully down on the ground and a crane is holding the top in place.
James Thorpe
James Thorpe
@kimholder Yeah that sounds like the one I saw earlier - so it's pretty much just wait and see :)
geoffc
geoffc
19:12
The interesting question is, what was wrong at LC-39A that they had to move it to LC-40 and sneak it in before SES-9 needs the pad.
TildalWave
TildalWave
@geoffc No, it's impossible to land more than 3 in a Soyuz as it's outfitted now. And that likely won't change even with future upgrades. But they can send another one up without crew.
Actually I'm not sure I get your comment
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave I did not mean more than 3, agreed, not possible.
Rather, if a crew of 7, 3 launched on Soyuz, 4 launched on Dragon and something happens to the Dragon. But say some of the crew is killed as well. So only 3 crew left. But none of them launched on Soyuz. Ok, contrived case, but the ability to know how to land in a Soyuz or Dragon could be important.
Landing in a Soyuz without the custom seat liner meant for your back is probably going to be very painful.
But hopefully not fatal.
TildalWave
TildalWave
@geoffc they would just launch up another one
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave Assume no time. Contrived case, as stated.
TildalWave
TildalWave
vehicle
@geoffc evacuate, don't deorbit
preferably compartmental lockdown
geoffc
geoffc
19:21
@TildalWave In a Soyuz, distinction without a difference?
Well if the ISS has issues and you need to get into the Soyuz, you are probably going home in it. So what difference does it make anyway?
:)
TildalWave
TildalWave
@geoffc Soyuz can take more than 3 to make distance to the station and remain in orbit for a couple of days at least
with orbital module it's supposed to keep crew of 3 for at least 6 days or something like that
they're supposed to be able to dock with each other no? I mean, it's how Mir and Zarya (ISS) started
so you send one more vehicle up, but it docks with Soyuz instead of ISS
Here's a question ... will Dragon and CST-100 (and Orion) be able to dock with a Soyuz? We did it with Apollo-Soyuz in mid 70's, are we capable of doing that now?
also, there's no good reason that ISS Russian and US segments couldn't detach, is there?
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave Not without an ASTP style adapter.
Modified for LIDS/NDS adapter standard on the US side.
Though, PMA-1 is used to connect CBM to a Russia port so maybe they can.
@TildalWave If you detached them, very little good things would follow.
TildalWave
TildalWave
19:44
@geoffc but those are made available at all launch sites, right?? (I'm hoping for some foresight here)
@geoffc sure, station's days are numbered then, but it would buy the crew months, not hours
ideally, you'd detach the breached segment, keep the panels and Node 1, is that possible?
geoffc
geoffc
20:14
@TildalWave Russian section provides reboost and basic life support. Maybe if you kept Russian side, node 1, and ditched US lab, ESA, JAXA but it seems unlikely those would be the issue. Attitude control via thrusters is Russian sidem via Gyros is on the truss I think.
@TildalWave ASTP adapter was huge. Doubt more than 2 were ever built.
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For relative scale. That is a pretty big docking adapter, when you consider the size of Apollo and Soyuz.,
TildalWave
TildalWave
yeah I've seen photos of it, or at least the mockup don't recall... I didn't mean to use the actual ASTP adapter, I meant if we're capable of doing what we've done 40 years ago
in other words, since NDS is also known as iLIDS where i stands for international, is it actually international, or is that just another of those meaningless monikers
kim holder
kim holder
20:51
Announcement on future of commercial resupply launches to the ISS - ustream.tv/nasahdtv
TildalWave
TildalWave
21:05
look like they're experiencing some technical difficulties, YouTube stream just gives errors
ah here we are
maybe we even get sound if we'll behave :))
dunno why but YouTube stream gives me errors all the time, switching the browser and from Flash to HTML5 player didn't help... USTREAM and native NASA TV player work OK
kim holder
kim holder
everybody but ula
TildalWave
TildalWave
Where did you hear that? Was it mentioned during the presser already? I missed some of it because bloody YouTube :))
(which now dares to work OK just so I look like an idiot LOL)
kim holder
kim holder
i was partly distracted too, but the 2nd guy listed orbital atk, sierra nevada, and spacex
he did not mention ula.
there you go - sierra nevada, orbital atk, spacex
or wait, was ula not even in this round already?
TildalWave
TildalWave
21:22
gotcha, guess ULA was too expensive ... how many did actually compete? The "interested parties list" here procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/crs2 is rather long
according to wiki: Five companies are known to have submitted proposals to NASA: SpaceX, Orbital ATK, Boeing, Sierra Nevada, and Lockheed Martin
SNC probably made a good case for cargo landing on the runway
they made quite an effort with it publicly
honestly, I thought that it'll be Lockheed Martin and not Orbital ATK but I guess that space tug concept didn't convince NASA this time around
kim holder
kim holder
they deserved to get some development support. nice alternative to have.
sierra nevada, that is
from that perspective, ula companies have no lack of development funds from their many other gov't contracts
TildalWave
TildalWave
I think I now understand Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel's "Accretion of Risk" a lot better spacepolicyonline.com/news/…
mainly, that it could be a reply to NASA doing too many things at the same time and trying to assure uninterrupted service more than quality and security of fewer providers but under more scrutiny and with more dev money thrown into it
kim holder
kim holder
21:38
heck, maybe it even makes more sense to have ula concentrate on military launches
TildalWave
TildalWave
Why would you require ability to dispose of pressurized cargo? Does it matter that it's pressurized before it burns up, or did he mean that cargo can be disposed from the pressurized compartment (i.e. ejected)?
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave How do you get stuff to the unpressurized side? Much easier if you can walk in and tie down the bags. To get to the unpressurized side you probably need a spacewalk which is expensive.
TildalWave
TildalWave
@geoffc Yeah I know, so the other option that I mentioned. It's not "pressurized cargo" that's disposed of, it's cargo from "functional volume" (which happens to be pressurized)
does disposing of "pressurized cargo" require expendable vehicle?
geoffc
geoffc
@TildalWave I guess if the vehicle is recoverable, seems like a waste to return garbage. Usually you can take down much less than take up, so filling the Progress/Cygnus/ATV with crap seems like a better plan than taking it down in a Dreamchaser/Dragon/CST. So does not require it, but seems like a better option.
Also, this is how it was always done, so this is how we shall do it going forward.
Until you have so much downmass available that it does not matter,
TildalWave
TildalWave
@geoffc but he said that all vehicles are capable of disposing of pressurized cargo
geoffc
geoffc
21:46
Not listening, so not sure.
TildalWave
TildalWave
so do you then fly Dragon without heat shield up?
and chutes,...
or does it have two pressurized compartments, one of which it can detach to burn up?
geoffc
geoffc
22:25
@TildalWave The trunk is unpressurized, so they could load cargo into there. Maybe through Jaxa airlock?
Trunk is discarded to burn up when Dragon reneters.
TildalWave
TildalWave
gotcha, didn't think of that
I was having fun reading this:
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the saga continues LOL
I think I'm gonna poke folks at the DMZ with it, see if I can get some quality snark out of it LOL

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