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TildalWave

00:25

oww they crash landed Dream Chaser spaceflightnow.com/news/n1310/26dreamchaser

TildalWave

03:17

@PearsonArtPhoto I think you might like this:

NASA Satellite Spots Creepy Face on the Moon http://wp.me/pru7J-15b via @JPMajor

Tweeted by TildalWave on October 28, 2013 at 3:14 AM

David Freitag

03:28

@TildalWave Super creepy.

Stack Exchange

05:15

1916: 'PHYSICIST DAD' TURNS HIS ATTENTION TO GRAVITY, AND YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HE FINDS. [PICS] [NSFW]

TildalWave

07:58

@StackExchange TL;DR :P

TildalWave

09:43

Establishment of UK Space Agency has helped make UK’s space sector multi-billion pound success: @CommonsSTC report http://goo.gl/uaE3GG

Tweeted by UKParliament on October 28, 2013 at 8:01 AM

PearsonArtPhoto

12:58

BTW, thanks everyone for keeping the topic of the week alive.

PearsonArtPhoto

13:14

I think this question has some potential to be a blockbuster.

0

Q: What is Mars's "North Star", if any?

Mars has a different axial tilt than Earth. It stands to reason that the constellations will remain identical from Mars, but their locations will be somewhat different. What is Mars's "North Star", "South Star", and if there isn't a star for either, what would the region look like over the North/...

Stack Exchange

14:44

NASA Image of the Day: Sunlit Side of the Planet Mercury

posted on October 28, 2013

Another day, another beautiful view of Mercury's horizon. In this scene, which was acquired looking from the shadows toward the sunlit side of the planet, a 120-km (75 mi.) impact crater stands out near the center. Emanating from this unnamed crater are striking chains of secondary craters, which gouged linear tracks radially away from the crater. While this crater is not especially fresh (its …

PearsonArtPhoto

15:21

Guess it's the navigation question that gets the pie, it's slowly making it's way upward.

RhysW

@PearsonArtPhoto Your one will do a lot better with pictures, if there are any!

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, I was looking for some pictures for a while. I couldn't really find any.

RhysW

maybe?

PearsonArtPhoto

Nice, where'd you nab that?

RhysW

@PearsonArtPhoto eknent.com/etc/mars_np.png <-- here (but found through google images)

PearsonArtPhoto

15:25

Hmmm... No listing of copyright...

RhysW

Doesn't seem to be anywhere I can find

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, well, I don't see anything wrong with using this image for now. It's probably a screenshot from some program already existing, and usually an image isn't going to be copyright from such a tool.

Thanks!

RhysW

I reversed searched for it and couldn't find it anywhere else, so maybe you are right!

Hey you found one for the south pole too, awesome!

Undo

Question for whoever wants to answer: What do I need to improve? How are my contributions lacking? There has to be something to improve - be honest with me here.

(On Space.SE)

RhysW

@Undo Your problem is you think that you single handedly need to be perfect ;)

Undo

15:38

@Rhys It's a goal :)

RhysW

I think that somewhere you are lacking is astronomy.se ;) is that allowed as an answer?

Undo

Lol. <flags a bunch of stuff for Rhys>

TildalWave

@Undo well we have quite some new active members so you could give them a hand, vote up what's good and critique constructively what isn't

PearsonArtPhoto

Don't stress about stuff, just ask/answer a good question or two every day, and keep checking up on the site. And upvote stuff too! Aside from that, don't stress too much about the rest.

RhysW

there you go, 3 views, 2 say you are doing fine, Tildal says 'work harder minion'

all in all about par

ManishEarth

15:47

Pretty graph!

in The h Bar, 1 min ago, by ManishEarth

(Lyapunov exponents of the logistic map along with ye olde bifurcation diagram)

Undo

@Manish s/pretty/meaningless/

Did I get the syntax right?

ManishEarth

It's very meaningful!

yep

TildalWave

@ManishEarth this seems familiar but I don't recognise your description

RhysW

@ManishEarth If you look closely you can actually see the period 3 orbits in the graph of the lyapunov

ManishEarth

@RhysW cheater

in The h Bar, 1 min ago, by ManishEarth

If you look closely you can actually see the period 3 orbits in the graph of the lyapunov ^.^

RhysW

15:49

@ManishEarth :P wondered if you would notice

ManishEarth

Logistic map

The logistic map is a polynomial mapping (equivalently, recurrence relation) of degree 2, often cited as an archetypal example of how complex, chaotic behaviour can arise from very simple non-linear dynamical equations. The map was popularized in a seminal 1976 paper by the biologist Robert May, in part as a discrete-time demographic model analogous to the logistic equation first created by Pierre François Verhulst. Mathematically, the logistic map is written : (1)\qquad x_{n+1} = r x_n (1-x_n) where: :x_n is a number between zero and one, and represents the ratio of existing population t...

Undo

To me it looks like the fear level I would have when falling of a mountain, with the mountain sideways above it.

TildalWave

@ManishEarth ah yes that's it :)

ManishEarth

The logistic map basically is what you get from iterating $x_{n+1}=A x_n (1-x_n)$ for various values of $A$

TildalWave

that's what the one box says

ManishEarth

15:50

For $A<3$, you get that it eventually reaches a single point and stays stuck there

RhysW

When you guys get all 'mathy' you lose me right away

Undo

The obsolete comments are getting sparse around here. I wonder if @Manish would mind if I went over to Physics and flagged stuff like crazy?

ManishEarth

For $3<A<3.5$ you get that it eventually reaches a period 2 orbit

Undo

And chemistry. Can't forget about chemistry.

ManishEarth

After that, period 4

and so on, till it reahes period infinity

TildalWave

15:51

@Undo there's one thing about obsolete comments you didn't do yet

ManishEarth

After period infinity you have period 3 for some reason

Undo

@Tildal What?

Flag them twice each?

ManishEarth

The bifurcation plot shows where the orbits are as a function of $A$, and you can see them splitting

The lyapunov exponent...well, it's a measure of how chaotic the system is. Not sure how to explain. It basically is a measure of how much the system diverges on average

@Undo go ahead

Undo

trains comment flagging app on Physics

TildalWave

@Undo ask for clarification, expansion on answers e.t.c and then delete your comments when they become obsolete ... what I'm sayin is you have flagged many comments as obsolete (which they were) but you didn't produce many obsolete comments yourself. Comments may be obsolete now but that usually means they were needed / helpful some time earlier :P

Undo

15:53

starts with Manish's comments

1,449 comments Eeeeeeeeek!

RhysW

I wonder if mods are shown their own comments that get flagged. Seems odd to pass judgement on yourself

TildalWave

it also makes folks return to the site when they get the notification ;)

Undo

@Rhys Want me to flag on of your things?

RhysW

@Undo what language did you use?

ManishEarth

@RhysW we are

Undo

15:54

Obj-C

Of course.

TildalWave

@RhysW I deleted several of my own comments flagged as obsolete yes

RhysW

'This comment was rude' 'No it F*in wasn't!'

Undo

Wow, I could burn through flags sooo fast on Physics.

RhysW

ah ok, none of mine are ever flagged, i am a model user

Undo

@Manish Do you prefer me to flag the post itself with a custom flag or the comments themselves?

ManishEarth

15:56

either, though post is better for multiple comments

Undo

Got it.

RhysW

@Undo ahh ok, is the code a closely guarded secret or something you dont mind sharing?

Undo

It's mostly GUI stuff - I can send you the code if you want to give me contact info :)

ManishEarth

@Undo my username@gmail works. Not my primary, but it works

RhysW

@Undo sure thing, let me just find an email address of mine i dont mind being online, i have a few

Undo

15:59

@Rhys Got it.

TildalWave

@RhysW a "model user" would eventually have all his comments deleted as obsolete, because respected authors he was commenting to obliged and made requested changes to their posts. :P

RhysW

@TildalWave OR all the remaining ones are value adding but unable to be integrated into question or answer

Undo

Hmm... I'm not smart enough to compress a folder in Mavericks.

TildalWave

@RhysW Not really. If I was one of those "model users" I'd add answers to all questions I left comments at and they're still helpful. Sadly, nobody has that much time on their hands and still know much anything or care to share it.

Undo

Aha! You have to stand on your three leftmost toes to make 'Compress' show up!

RhysW

16:04

@TildalWave i guess

TildalWave

when you start thinking about the nature of a Q&A site you soon realize that ideally there should be no comments, at least eventually ... what you should end up with is a clear question and helpful answers

RhysW

preaching to the choir

TildalWave

it's that time of the day, it'll soon pass ;)

Undo

There, sent it to both of you. Mind you it's still... beta.

And to change sites you have to know the API key for the site you're changing to. Otherwise it crashes.

TildalWave

it's now a public beta :P

Undo

16:05

Lol.

I might put it on Github, actually.

ManishEarth

@Undo sen\d it to me too!!!

Undo

@Manish I did, didn't I?

RhysW

I will be converting it to C# anyways, if possibble :P

Undo

@Manish [email protected]?

ManishEarth

yep

Undo

16:07

It got sent - it has a 100k file attached to it, might take a while.

ManishEarth

oh

RhysW

94k*

ManishEarth

not much.

gotit

oh, stupid of me

my email filter caught it

RhysW

@Undo posting a follow up question to one of your astro questions!

ManishEarth

When you send to myusername@gmail, without any punctuation, it forwards to my primary

Undo

16:10

Three comments at the bottom of this post, starting with the one three comments above the one with a score of 2, are obsolete. << Give Manish something to do :)

RhysW

each flag should be in the form of a riddle

ManishEarth

@RhysW if you ever C# it, let me know. In the meantime I'll pythonify it if I get the time

Undo

Ooh ooh, just a minute.

RhysW

though remember there are 2 other mods that might see it too

Undo

Then they get mind exercise too.

RhysW

16:11

@ManishEarth haha we will have one of each language eventually

@Undo or you end up with a lot of dismissed flags

Undo

People get really grumpy when they realize you're giving them directions for how to go to the store and buy a GPS.

^My new flagging style.

Each comment here that has a time stamp with an hour that is either divisible by five or is prime is obsolete

This is so much fun.

RhysW

0

Q: What is radiation pressure and how does it prevent a star from forming?

This is a follow up to: Is there a theoretical maximum size limit for a star? The answer there talks about the radiation pressure preventing a star from forming. What reaction is causing this radiation pressure and why does this potentially prevent a star from forming?

star formation radiation

my follow up to one of your questions

TildalWave

@Undo every hour is divisible by 5

Undo

@Tildal you know what I mean. And space.SE is next.

TildalWave

well all my hours feel like 12 minutes anyway

Undo

16:23

Lol.

RhysW

@TildalWave 12 is not divisible by 5

TildalWave

Every comment that mentions Mars and its timestamp is not integer divisible by the delta-v required to get there is obsolete

Undo

Now we just need to infect the SO flaggers with the creativity bug.

TildalWave

@RhysW 2.4 :P

RhysW

its generally accepted that that notation means wholly divisible :P

TildalWave

16:26

@Undo every comment that is longer than 200 bits and does not compile in python is obsolete

Undo

Oh dear.

I'm going to get kicked out of SE for this.

TildalWave

@RhysW i'm not generally accepted

RhysW

Every comment where a vowel falls on a character position that is divisible by a multiple of 4 to produce an answer of pi is obsolete

@TildalWave you got that right :P

ManishEarth

@TildalWave hey, you're a secse member. "Every comment which cannot be the result of the conversion of a SHA-256 hash of python-executable code into base-ASCII"

Sounds like a CTF question to me

TildalWave

@RhysW that's for code review or golf

@ManishEarth For security reasons all comments are marked as obsolete by default. Thanks for your understanding!

RhysW

16:29

@TildalWave I think mine results in nothing ever being deleted

TildalWave

@RhysW doesn't exclude other reasons tho

ManishEarth

@RhysW Except stuff starting with a pound

RhysW

3.14 * (a multiple of 4) never seems to be a whole number within the range of characters that can be in a comment

Undo

Dangit, I can't hardly understand any of the Physics.SE comments.

RhysW

@Undo xD

TildalWave

16:30

@Undo this comment is obsolete because I don't understand it

2

RhysW

@TildalWave offensive surely

this comment is offensive because it undermines my intelligence and feeling of self worth

TildalWave

^^ yes

Undo

Wow - I haven't had any Physics flags rejected yet. Odd.

RhysW

there was once a day where i was the entire first 2 pages of 'active questions' on one site thanks to m editing a large volume of questions

that was a good day

This room needs an owner, it's still set as just me!

Undo

I'll do it! :/

Every comment which comes immediately before a comment added by a diamond moderator and the comment which immediately follows it are obsolete.

RhysW

16:34

Undo! As room owner I bestow my responsibilities unto you. These responsibilities include maintenance of the feeds and managing of the pinned and starred messages!

Feeds

ManishEarth has removed RhysW from the list of this room's owners.

ManishEarth

@RhysW Wait

first let's see who gets hit by the owner roulette

Undo

Uh oh.

RhysW

@ManishEarth that takes a while to kick in, im not that patient

ManishEarth

It's going to be undo or another mod most probably. Eventually undo gets it, but let's first give the roulette a spin! :P

Undo

16:35

Sounds good to me.

RhysW

@ManishEarth it will be tildal

Undo

I think it just gives it to whoever has posted the most messages.

ManishEarth

possible\

RhysW

tildal has 24% messages, followed by undo's 13, i was just speeding up the process

yeah, goes to most messages, i was just circumventing that as i know who it is :P

ManishEarth

most recent messages

RhysW

16:37

Will still be undo or a space mod :P

Undo

@Manish Really? Not total?

RhysW

maybe Everyone thrown into the mix too

TildalWave

@RhysW I often have a nice conversation with myself here. A nice guy really, had many good chats with him.

RhysW

:P

Undo

Can @ManishEarth push a magic button to make the roulette happen?

RhysW

16:38

@Undo unfortunately not, scheduled job

beyond mod level abilities

maybe even beyond CM abilities

TildalWave

oh dunno I think it can be triggered

Undo

CMs can do anything.

RhysW

Prod @JohnB im sure he will know :P

JohnB

of course I know

what are we talking about

RhysW

facedesk

can the 'job' that picks room owner be triggered?

JohnB

16:40

oh

TildalWave

yes

JohnB

I don't know

RhysW

we know we can pick someone manually but we want to know what user the roulette picks

TildalWave

you trigger it by waiting

JohnB

this is fun

RhysW

16:40

@TildalWave How either of us got a diamond i will never know

Undo

System: Waiting detected.

TildalWave

LOL

@RhysW CMs have a healthy sense of humour?

Undo

lol

TildalWave

@RhysW I think that your profile refresh might trigger it

@RhysW ? did we kill you?

Undo

@TildalWave We?

TildalWave

16:45

me and I

RhysW

@TildalWave nah, guy turned up at my desk with work related issues

TildalWave

where's hissatron when you need him?

RhysW

poke his master

I like this waiting game, should we start singing campfire songs?

TildalWave

I don't really know any I was always too busy burning the whole site down

I was always the one that would go look for more firewood ... this fire needs moar wood!

RhysW

@TildalWave hah, i see a lot of myself in you

i was always the guy not allowed anywhere near the fire

Undo

16:51

I don't really care if it's wood, as long as it makes my fire burn hotter/brighter/bigger.

RhysW

i was the guy people used to say 'remember what happened last time' to

TildalWave

yeah I always thought there's no point in having a campfire if it doesn't ~~charn~~ char the Moon a bit

RhysW

charn?

i dont think that is a word

well, not in the context you are using it

as i doubt you mean the city

TildalWave

*char or charr

Donald.McLean

Why isn't this question on Astronomy?

RhysW

16:54

that was my revenge for all those times you got me on my words!

Donald.McLean

7

Q: What is Mars's "North Star", if any?

Mars has a different axial tilt than Earth. It stands to reason that the constellations will remain identical from Mars, but their locations will be somewhat different. What is Mars's "North Star", "South Star", and if there isn't a star for either, what would the region look like over the North/...

mars astronomy

RhysW

anything tagged 'astronomy' should totally be ours ;) all 3 questions :P

especially the one tagged telescope and astronomy :P

TildalWave

@RhysW there is some astronomy that's relevant to space exploration :P

RhysW

flips coin heads i win tails you lose

Donald.McLean

They're stealing the bread out of our children's mouths.

RhysW

16:56

Definitely, I think we should allow questions on space in general in our scope :P

TildalWave

I think that the consensus is that if the question is about "getting there" it's here, and if it's about "staying here" it's there

:P :P

RhysW

none of the ones tagged astronomy are about getting there! you defeated yourself!

Undo

@Donald I flagged it for you: 'Astro Wanty!'

RhysW

@TildalWave how can i debate with you if you give me the benefit of the doubt D: stop being friendly! ;)

TildalWave

@RhysW read it again

RhysW

16:58

i still see nothing but agreement!

TildalWave

OK... I'll post it again but in a room that doesn't have anything to do with here or there

Undo

TildalWave

17:32

@Undo hehehe nice one

Everyone

Is @PearsonArtPhoto in?

'o @Til

'o @Und

Alright. Who ran away when I came in?

TildalWave

morning to Oz ;)

Everyone

q+:

Meant to ask him about the North Pole question, but it looks you've already thrashed him for it

TildalWave

Damn ... you got me with that "Who ran away when I came in?" I really thought I'm replying to @UV-D :) Morning to ... @Everyone

Undo

Oy @Eve

lol

Everyone

17:39

I wonder what the incentive for colonization would be ... given that Space/Exploration is, to all practical purposes, a commons

(+: 'Morning Oye

TildalWave

you wanted bold and italics, no? it's *** front and back

Everyone

Should make a fun question ... if I can frame it right

nonono. bold are fine, but they need not necessarily be Italians; albeit I do hear Italian women are cool I mean hot

i think

TildalWave

they like to think they are yes

Everyone

no front/back please - TMI

'o @Rhys

RhysW

yo

@Everyone everyone :P

Everyone

17:49

abck

Thoughts, anyone? Too broad?

PearsonArtPhoto

@Everyone I'm around, for ~5 minutes...

Everyone

@PearsonArtPhoto Not very important (+: Had the same thought that others in here asked you about the Martian Polaris earlier

It's in the past now

Undo

I just found a SQL injection in my chemistry teacher's system.

ManishEarth

@Undo gimme

Undo

Lol.

Everyone

17:57

@Undo -ditto-

ManishEarth

Use sqlmap to get everything

I once found a sql vuln in a major coaching institution's website. Deleted their database. Oops.

Everyone

You know ... there's something comic about SQL injection occurring on a chemistry teacher's system

ManishEarth

(They had backups)

Undo

He runs his own testing system, online, in PHP. He was foolish enough to leave the SQL code that he runs as an HTML comment in the document. According to my calculations, a simple answer of -- DROP TABLE rtfs; would cause some major havoc.

Everyone

I've heard of rtfm; what is rtfs?

Undo

18:00

Or better yet: -- UPDATE TABLE students SET grade='130%' WHERE name='Undo';

@everyone He named the table that, apparently.

Everyone

oh

@Undo that would be telling q+:

Undo

@Manish I think I forgot the LBT style injection - what's the syntax, again?

ManishEarth

@Undo that does nothing

-- is a comment

Normal injection is '; DROP TABLE students;--

Undo

Ah - that's it.

ManishEarth

End quotation, end line with semicolon, do new statement, and ignore the rest

Undo

18:03

Lol. So evil.

I'm too smart to try it, though. Might see if I can cash in on it, though.

ManishEarth

@Undo I recall reading that, long ago, in the days of punchcards, MIT used a punchcard machine grading system. Basically, each student submits their code and it prints out if the program worked as a yes or no column in the final printout. One student got it to print "Maybe"

@Undo Decrease everyone elses' grades!

I've found 5 vulnerabilities in my institute till now. Two of them major. Reported most, though there currently isn't a good system for that.

Undo

I can just see it: 'Uh, Mr., why is my grade a -42%?'

ManishEarth

However, one of the profs is starting a student ethical hacking team, and I'm part of it! :P

@Undo do eet

Undo

Think there's any way to get paid for finding it?

ManishEarth

Nope

I do it for free

Undo

18:06

Hmm... Okay. I know Google pays big bucks for bugs in Chrome...

ManishEarth

Yep

You can try, but it's the teacher's system

If it was the school system you had a chance

Undo

So I figured that a way to completely destroy his livelihood might deserve some extra credit :p

I guess I could say something like, 'Hey, there's a SQL vulnerability in your system, want to know where it is?'

ManishEarth

You could always threaten full disclosure when you find a vuln in the system, but that's not a good idea if you're a student of the same school

PearsonArtPhoto

I just found a lot of bugs in a program just released at work, too bad I can't get any big bucks for it;-)

2

Undo

@Manish Independent tutor, actually. Make a difference?

Yep, plain old insert into statement, single quotation marks and all. I probably better report it.

Oh wow - the comments are on every page. Eeeek.

Yep, I'm going to report it,

Stack Exchange

18:24

Blog - Stack Exchange: Podcast #53 – Let’s Go Rio

Alex Miller on October 28, 2013

Welcome to Stack Exchange Podcast #53 with special guest Gabe Koscky, our new Brazilian community manager, and usual suspects Jay Hanlon, Joel Spolsky, and David Fullerton. Today’s show is brought to you by the National Security Administration!

Site Milestones: We launched Astronomy, which is not the same thing as the Space Exploration site we’d previously launched. You can ask questions about gravity (the force) on Astronomy. You cannot ask questions about Gravity (the movie). Astronomy and Physics have a lot of overlap, and that’s okay! Also, you can’t say Count Dooku in Portuguese. This is an adult-only podcast. …

Everyone

Hmm

What vehicles are presently in the vicinity of Mars?

PearsonArtPhoto

Define Vehicle.

Everyone

Any artifact of terrestrial origin capable of motion either by it's own power, or celestial and capable communicating with Terra

orbiter, rover etc

(if there is an etc)

Right. I'm off to sleep on the Martian vehicles. 'nini

PearsonArtPhoto

19:46

@TildalWave: Fixed. Ooops;-)

TildalWave

@PearsonArtPhoto that's OK I just wasn't sure if you're still around ;)

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL. I wasn't, but, well... That's pretty bad, I must have clicked the wrong window to copy/paste the URL...

TildalWave

Have we ever sent anything to the surface polar regions of Mars?

PearsonArtPhoto

And now I'm safely repcapped for the day;-)

Mars Polar Lander?

TildalWave

I mean something that worked

PearsonArtPhoto

19:50

Phoenix was the furthest north that worked, at 68 degrees or so.

TildalWave

and could move around... was that one expected to move at all?

I wanna know if there's mushrooms on Mars

PearsonArtPhoto

space.com/12404-mars-explored-landers-rovers-1971.html

Phoenix was a lander, not a rover.

TildalWave

Yeah... I know. But God knows maybe they thought of some sort of propulsion LOL

it certainly rolled over didn't it?

keeled

joke

Undo

I worky on tagses.

PearsonArtPhoto

The problem with rovers so far north is they can't survive the Martian winter, so...

Phoenix was buried under quite a bit of dry ice, for instance.

TildalWave

19:54

@PearsonArtPhoto well it doesn't have to be a rover... it could use wind to move around randomly, whatever

Undo

It's really nice being able to create tag wikis without peer review - it allows me to really make a difference there. And it's fun.

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah. I never did get in to tag wikis...

I'll sometimes edit the summaries, but that's about as far as I go.

TildalWave

we should really start making rovers more "organic" ... maybe make a giant slug :)

Undo

The excerpts, I mean.

Oh, could we synonymize [colony] and [colonization]?

Awesome, @Pearson :)

PearsonArtPhoto

No problem.

TildalWave

19:58

@PearsonArtPhoto we'll add those when we'll have our blog ... it's then relatively easy to mostly just copy/paste stuff

I mean the proper tag texts not just excerpts

Stack Exchange

21:04

astrobites: Has IBEX detected eddies in the spacetime continuum?

posted on October 28, 2013 by Nathan Sanders

Douglas Adams' fictional Ford Prefect famously warned us of eddies in the spacetime continuum. Has the IBEX spacecraft now found evidence that they really exist?

RhysW

oooh @TildalWave ! wakey wakey!

or @PearsonArtPhoto your input would be good too!

TildalWave

21:33

@RhysW Yup I was just writing an answer ... I saw your comments. Sure, migrate.

RhysW

(Y) one question

...how

TildalWave

hehehe

you first reopen it, then close with "belongs on another site" and you'll have (as a mod) option to type in the make of the site... no need to type much either, just "space" should do... alternatively, you could let me post my answer there and see if that raised your questions & answers stats LOL

RhysW

(Y) sorted, that auto pings the user too right?

oops, i forgot to comment purge before sending, would you like to do the honors?

TildalWave

21:48

@RhysW done it all, and moved the spoiler part into the spoiler box

retagged too

oh and posted an answer

someone might wonder how come I've answered in a minute's time LOL

RhysW

haha it does seem like incredibly fast typing :P

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